EVERYTHING We Know About Synology NAS Hardware and Software for 2024-2025
Synology has always been the ‘Apple’ of the NAS industry, approaching the launch of their newest hardware/software releases with a sense of gravitas and importance (global launch events, hosted digital streams, etc) that is only matched by the sheer blanket of secrecy they maintain on their upcoming solutions. However, with many of their NAS systems refreshed every 2-3 years, many new NAS buyers (or those looking to upgrade) are always keen to know whether the current range of solutions that are available are the best option, or should they wait a little longer for the launch of a new and exciting follow-up? Likewise, the Synology DSM platform (arguably the jewel in the crown of Synology’s platform) sees regular updates and improvements to both the GUI itself and the range of features and services that are included in it’s wonderfully detailed ecosystem. Generally, when it comes to the software, Synology opt for minor updates almost monthly, noticeable platform/app upgrades every 4-6 months and significant widespread updates (eg DSM 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0?) every year or two. The hardware on the other hand is a different story. Around July/August every year, we see the year/naming convention shift towards the next annual period (i.e DS910+ > DS923+ > DS925+) and it is THOSE new hardware releases that most users take the most interest it. Rackmount and 6-8+ Bay SMB systems have been mostly absent in the 2023/2024 series of Diskstation and Rackstation (I’m looking at you RS1224+), so this is likely something we are going to see refreshes for in the 2nd half of 2024. So, I have made this page to allow me to aggregate all information that we (me and Eddie who run NASCompares), to keep in one place.
The following list of articles, links and information will be periodically updated as new information appears and you can add your email address at the bottom of the page if you want to get immediate alerts when these updates arrive (no need to make any account etc, it’s just a notification tool).
LAST UPDATED, Thursday 24th October 2024
New Synology BeeStation BST170 Model with Intel x86 Architecture Leaked
For those that have been a pinch concerned fo late that Synology was starting to move out of the Intel-powered home NAS market, there has seemingly been something of a flicker of good news appearing inadvertently on the official Synology Download pages. Eagle-eyed Reddit User Gummibando managed to spot that a new DSM system firmware image appeared very briefly, before it’s removal shortly after it was shared online. Namely ‘BSM_BST170-8T_65371.pat ‘ – which reveals that Synology have a new Beestation model (denoted by the BSM_BST model ID) that, upon even further digging into the official pages, revealed that alongside this new model IS, that a newly specced out Beestation model in 8TB is coming at some point in the future. So, let’s discuss these findings, what else we have learned about the BST170, and what else we can surmise from the surrounding clues! Let’s go.
Read the article on the Synology BeeStation BST170-8T NAS Leak HERE
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology BST170-8T Leak HERE
Synology Solution Exhibition LiveStream
Synology Enterprise Data Management Annual Conference. This was a live stream from Synology Taiwan, that outlined where the company is currently ‘at’ and where they plan on going.
From Synology (translated): It will bring four exciting theme agendas, please join us to discuss the four major applications – data storage and management , data and workload protection , teamproductivity , the latest application demand trends and optimal deployment of #intelligent image surveillance Strategy , you will understand how Synology can create more value for your enterprise from data management and improve operational efficiency. Below is the live stream:
These conference events will be taking place globally soon.
Synology in 2025 – Predictions, Leaks, Rumours and Releases Video
The video discusses predictions and rumours for Synology’s 2025 product lineup, focusing on anticipated hardware updates and potential shifts in the company’s strategy. Key models like the DS1825+, DS925+, and RS1625XS+/DS1625xs+ are expected to see minor upgrades, such as the addition of 2.5 GBE ports and USB Type-C, but without significant changes to their core hardware, particularly CPUs. There’s concern that these updates may not meet user expectations, especially in the absence of more powerful processing capabilities. Additionally, Synology might introduce new products like a five-bay DX525 expansion unit with USB Type-C and a larger capacity Bee Station model, potentially with RAID mirroring (though the leaked part number could easily just be the same 1-Bay with a larger base HDD). Software developments include the DSM 7.2.2 update, which could introduce the AI Admin Console (in beta) but might also lead to the depreciation of certain multimedia codecs (HEVC, ACC and VC1), pushing users towards third-party solutions like Plex. Synology’s AI integration, particularly through third-party APIs, raises privacy concerns, with a preference among users for in-house solutions.
The video also highlights the continued shift in Synology’s focus towards enterprise markets, which might impact the development and support of SMB and home user products. The Active Protect series, a license-based backup solution, is speculated to eventually replace the free Active Backup Suite down the road, reflecting a broader move towards subscription-based services. Despite growing demand and availability from competitors of all-flash desktop NAS solutions, Synology seems hesitant to invest in this area, potentially missing out on a key market opportunity. The hosts express cautious optimism about Synology’s future, noting that while the company may continue to strengthen its backup and AI-driven solutions, there’s a risk that traditional users might feel sidelined by the brand’s increasing focus on enterprise products and services.
Find out more in the video below:
A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user – as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Now, if we wanted to be cautious and ‘benefit of the doubt’ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ – but Synology does tend to float ‘test’ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Find out more in the Video and article below:
Read About it HERE in the Article
Is Synology Focusing Too Much on Enterprise?
With Synology making more and more moves towards the enterprise sector, I decided to host a panel with 3 prominent voices in the Synology social ecosystem to discuss the question “Has Synology Become TOO Enterprise?”. Alongside myself (Robbie @ NASCompares) I invited Will (AKA Spacerex), Frank (AKA Wundertech Tutorials) and Luka (AKA Blackvoid and Synoforum) to discuss, among many things, the new Synology Product line up, the GS and AP platforms, their moves in Surveillance and AI, and also whether Synology can cut it in the enterprise sector right now? It’s a long discussion, but I think you will enjoy it, as I thin kit gives a tremendous range of perspectives and logic to the Synology Enterprise moves in 2024:
The Synology GS Series Unveiled
Synology is no stranger to large-scale storage. Last year, we saw the long-developed rollout of the High Density series (premiering a 60 Bay 4U Rackmount solution) and further refreshes in the Synology RS and SA series. However, it would appear that Synology has even loftier goals, with the launch of the Synology GS series – designed to massively scale up towards XX nodes (demonstrated as GS6400 rackmount devices) that, when clustered together, can scale up to an insane 20 Petabyte groups.
We are still awaiting details on the storage capacity scaling (i.e., will they arrive in pre-designated storage configurations), but they will no doubt roll out supporting the Synology HAT5310/HAS5310 Enterprise drives up to 20TB. The GS series appears to be in a slightly modified chassis (numeric LED panel and vent fascia) but seemingly will be using similar hardware/architecture to existing EPYC-powered systems already in the Synology RS/SA portfolio. Additionally, as the scale of the GS Clusters is so large, Synology are rolling out a dedicated GS Cluster switch to coordinate the whole thing. Pricing and capacity details are still TBC!
The Synology DP Series and ActiveProtect
Synology really made some noise on this one, and frankly, I can see why. The Data Protection series is a new tier of their portfolio that exclusively focuses on backup management, fast deployment, and simplicity. Arriving in rackmount hardware form (at least at launch), these systems will NOT arrive with DSM (the operating system of the majority of Synology NAS systems) but instead a dedicated backup appliance called ActiveProtect.
It appears to consolidate the features and functions of several parts of the Synology ecosystem (in particular Active Backup) in order to create a 10-minute setup backup solution for businesses who need robust and easily configurable backup management for:
- Local PC/Mac/Linux client machines
- Synology and 3rd Party Linux Server backups
- Cloud-Based Software as a Service (SaaS) data, such as Google Workspace and Microsoft 365
- Hyper-V/VMware virtual machines
The architecture of the ActiveProtect system also features a number of impressive restoration services built in, ranging from deploying backups of your cloud source VMs to a local VM deployed on the NAS and WORM-protected backups, to simple file/folder restoration and deduplication.
That last one is extra important, as not only does a single DP system with ActiveProtect deduplicate backed-up data in its immediate network circle, but when you deploy multiple DP systems across multiple sites in your business’ physical geography (i.e., sites globally) and have a dedicated target backup for them all, it will further deduplicate the data being sent from all those other DP systems too. You can find out more about the Synology DP series and ActiveProtect in the article below:
[Click Link to ActiveProtect Article]
Synology Unveils Its AI Integration with AI Console
This is something I think most of us saw coming! The integration of AI assistant services and AI language models into the majority of platforms we use on a daily basis has been pretty much non-stop these last 12-18 months, and it comes as no surprise that Synology is now moving into this. But to their credit, they have not rushed into this. In fact, although we saw very tentative steps and early demonstrations of where they would like it to go at their Taipei event in 2023 (see video HERE), they have not rushed into this. The Synology AI Console is their integration of AI assistant tools into a number of their collaboration tools, namely Synology Mail Plus, Office, and Chat.
These tools are designed to provide services that are tailored to these applications – not just a glossy portal/GUI with ChatGPT and other LLMs behind it. Such as the ability to provide a summary of larger email chains, provide context and proofreading of documents, craft responses to communication that are tonally appropriate, and more. Additionally, they state that the AI services will be completely optional, off by default, individually enabled, and have a framework in place that prevents sensitive information from being used in AI-generated content. The extent to how this is controlled and adapted by the system owner is yet to be fully confirmed, as is the level of control that is provided to the Synology NAS owner with regard to the AI’s reference points internally.
Video from a Synology event in 2023:
They do highlight that support of existing popular AI models that include ChatGPT, Microsoft Azure AI, and Google Gemini will be available when the service is launched (in beta, I assume), but I will be interested to see how far the brand will be willing to take AI integration (especially if they are going to allow flexibility in the AI models a user can connect with) as the ability to use AI tools with storage filing services, more creative search categorization, and analysis of system logs. We will have to wait and see… DSM 8?
Synology C2 Surveillance Station and Cloud Cameras
Although Synology has quite a few different apps and services in DSM, one of the most polished and universally praised examples is Surveillance Station. All Synology NAS systems that run DSM also include the Surveillance Station applications and the ability to add multiple cameras. However, 2 years ago, when Synology rolled out C2 Surveillance (a cloud failover and dual recording platform to be used in conjunction with SS), it was only a question of time before they went the extra step and created a ‘direct to cloud’ version of their Surveillance Station platform – C2 Surveillance Station.
This is a cloud-based UI of Surveillance Station that allows users to deploy Synology C2 cameras that record directly to the C2 Cloud. Now, there is an argument that this is something that other camera brands have always offered (i.e., a camera and a cloud subscription for recordings), and many choose Synology for their surveillance/CCTV as they have an in-house surveillance system in a DSM NAS.
However, that does not apply to everyone, and there are several different deployments that could see the benefits of a Synology surveillance system, but without deploying a Synology network storage appliance, such as:
- Building sites, where the network and PoE structure of surveillance cameras are not present
- Locations with a largely exclusive wireless network
- Mobile setups that require camera security, but have a regularly changing physical location
- Users who want the user-friendly surveillance UI of Surveillance Station, but are not interested in purchasing more than the physical cameras
Needless to say, after this initial reveal, there is still the question of pricing, i.e., will the cameras require a monthly storage subscription? Do the cameras support use for local Synology NAS Surveillance deployment as an option? We will have to wait and see closer to the physical launch.
New Fisheye Camera and 8MP Bullet Camera
New Synology Flash NVMe and HDD Hybrid Rackmount (Still Early Development)
Where is the Synology RS1224+ Rackstation?
Synology is arguably one of the most popular brands in the entire private server market, and once you then factor in the large number of small and medium-sized businesses migrating away from cloud services and onto their own private NAS, who have been flocking in their droves towards Synology, you can understand why they are something of a big deal. Almost 25 years, the brand has been producing numerous desktop and rackmount NAS solutions (alongside a bunch of other side hustles like routers, storage media, business surveillance tools, and more), but in particular, their growth in the rackmount market in the last 5 to 7 years has been genuinely impressive. Which brings us to the subject of today’s article, where the hell is the Synology RS1224+ RackStation NAS? There has been an undeniable shift in the home lab and small business community away from desktop NAS devices and towards small-scale rackmount solutions, and Synology’s recent releases have certainly capitalized on this, thanks to improved smaller-scale four and eight-bay rackmount servers appearing in their product portfolio.
This combined with changes in the baseline hardware of several of their more recent releases have led to many users looking for a very specific kind of Synology rackmount! It has to be compact, it has to be powerful, it has to be scalable, and it has to be reasonably priced – currently, Synology only provides one solution that fits the bill in every regard, the 2020/2021 released RS1221+, which, despite its merits, is still a system that is almost 3 years old, leading many to question the benefits of investing in a system that is perhaps not as cutting edge as the rest of Synology’s portfolio currently stands. The answer, of course? A refresh (something Synology tends to do with their portfolio every two to three years), which would be the Synology RS1224+. Today we want to discuss everything we know, confirm this unit is coming, the expectations we have, and whether it’s worth waiting for it.
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Synology will dump 4 years old technologies and release them with horrendous price like apple as it always do.
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Funny how the device looks like my WD My Cloud Mirror.
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1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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Synology has become apple. Chargeb obsene money for weaker inflexible hardware.
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For the Synology HDD HAT33xx price Compares to WD or Sesgate – price is almost the same which ks good but only with 3 year warranty. You can get 5 year warranty models from WD/Seagaet with the same price as HAT33xx :/ Thats so sad.
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i don’t know why they don’t make a beestation that supports multi-bay nvme raid….then i would be a buyer…
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i got the synology ds224+ which was what i needed this spring and then they ruin it by removing transcoding, video station etc, does this mean they regret removing multimedia options and that i can keep it, or should i get rid of it (sell it second hand) and buy a new qnap instead? i spent time setting it up the synology just how i want it etc, i have disabled updates for now. Im never again going to buy synology after this and each time NAS comes up and someone asks for my advice, im telling them what a crappy company synology is and encourage them to get qnap or asustor. Qnap has way better hardware and their software are WAY better as it stand now regarding photos video etc anyway which is what home users buy NAS for, so synology has really ruined it for themselves. I might save up and get a TS-264 next year
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2:04 thanks for letting me scream in the comment section ????
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I have a 723+ and i noticed that the new update states that it will no longer support h.264 and 265 streams to prevent resource exhaustion. Would this mean the plex videos will now use client-side transcoding?
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I was thinking I already owned a bee station because they are very stingy with their hardware and lack of new A-class features.
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I was thinking I already owned a bee station because they are very stingy with their hardware and lack of new A-class features.
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They should be careful. If they take away too much from the home users, someone else will absolutely step in and fill the gap.
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I can’t afford to loose Video Station. I won’t update DSM ever. I’m happy as it is.
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Hey! Studio upgrade looks good mate! Much easier on the eyes.
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Hello to you too Robbie????
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Closed system , even if Synology HDs are at comparable prices today, is an absolute no no.
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It would be a shame to replace the DS224+ given that there’s a big difference between DSM and BSM namely the ability to install a lot of apps.
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I’ve been using Synology since the J-series and still have that unit. Video Station, Audio Station have been my primary services since day one. I’ve tried Plex and it’s horrible, not only is there no integration with the Synology accounts, mobile app clients have to pay for their clients. My family uses DS video and DS audio more than they use iTunes. Synology’s business model was all focused on hosting your own content and not relying on or paying for cloud services. This will only keep people from upgrading their DSM, thus making them more and more vulnerable to attack over time. I hate this decision and can’t understand why they are really doing this.
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I would be happy if they had a Bee Station as the base CPU and a networked Core Station with an NVMe or SSD unit that connects the network and a 4 or more volume disk unit via a Thunderbolt connection. This can be expanded up to 16 disks. And of course it would be good if the Bee station has a 10 Gbit network connection.
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Thanks for the update.. let’s see what the next step will be! They have competition now with UGREEN
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Another great vid mate????it seems the way things are going it makes you want to build your own more and more just for the value of what budget cpu you can put in your self lol
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Slightly better than the Apollo Lake in a Zimaboard.
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Not worth it if there is same performance issue
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Synology makes me laugh. 1999 and 2019 called and their hardware back… The 920 opps, the 423 has some competition now. ????
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2.5Gbe ????
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They bought a million processors and have no idea what to do with them, so to sell them they made an economical version of PRO hardware. My life shows that taking the easy way is not a good idea for the future.
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I wish they start using the new Intel Lunarlake CPUs. Very fast and low power. I’d pay for it to upgrade my DS1817+
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Any news from the seagulls ?
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very sad day that they are sunsetting VIdeo Station….say it isn’t so and i hope they have a replacement in the works…
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Does anyone know when Synology will announce there next updated NAS’s??
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This is potentially a gold mine product line for synology and just maybe a gateway for a few home users into more higher end synology stuff. The market for those seeking to avoid cloud based storage from the big boys is already large and potentially vast. Avoiding subscription fees and having more confidence your data is yours and yours alone temps many.
Both Synology and UniFi know the home user market is really big. Getting into that without dropping the ball on their existing strengths requires time and energy.
It’s market potentially hundreds of times bigger than the prosumer one and set to expand.
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Happy to see Synology expanding the BeeStation line for the basic home users to have more options available as simple alternatives to paying $120+ per year for cloud storage. I think it’s a huge market and they know it!
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Maybe I‘m one of the few who sees this as good news. With a system like this I can convince some people to get a Nas and they will be able to administrate it themselves. If backup works properly on BSM this would make my life (tech support for friends and family) so much easier.
I run a 224+ and I‘m happy with it but actually I had to work myself into it, I just wanted a good automatic backup solution for myself and some of the other stuff you can do with it. I was about to buy a WD MyBook but read some tests, so I ended up buying a Synology and working myself into the system. If the machine you talk about had been on the market a year ago, I might have bought it and probably be happy with it. I like the idea of being able to run docker apps on my 224+, but in reality I just don’t find the time to do it and actually I don’t really see a use case for me.
There is definitely a market for this. People who want something like an Apple time machine for their Windows PC + some things like photo backup of their mobiles and maybe an easy music and video player for home use. But the options on the market really weren’t that good before the Bee Station.
I don’t think this will kill devices like 224+ etc. maybe the j series if it still exists but the target audiences are just different. The DSM machines are either for professionals or for enthusiasts, the bee station series is for neither of them. It’s for home users looking for an easy backup of PC, laptop and their mobile devices that you can set up without reading the manual or watching channels like this.
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Me personally, I do like the idea of a 2bay that is reliable and set and forget
But it needs to be a system that you can swap drives
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Synology is not consumer friendly. Get out now and stop wasting your money.
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2:07 what he said
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Errr those celerons, aint they the ones that you know fail on reboot?? JSeries?
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Strange. I commented my last post, and it is not here. I am sorry about giving wrong information. Availability and price 245 euro included TAX is for similar device Synology BST150-4T
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I think you hit the nail on the head. They will expand to four bay and separate prosumer from business. To the point where a prosumer will be unable to buy a business type of product.
What is scary about this to me is the possibility of changing privacy policies and making plug and play products with few setting choices.
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I’m sorry, did you say that DiskStation Manager on Bee Station was called BDSM?
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Thanks. Name is derived from Dale’s elastic superhero alter ego in the German version of the Chip ‘n’ Dale animated TV series 😉
I even managed to download the .pat file, but deleted it later before realizing it would have been helpful to peek inside for more info.
My hunch is also a two-bay, but my Speculate-O-Meter™ leans more towards an Intel Celeron J4025 (DS220+), otherwise the differentiation to a DS224+ might be too marginal.
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Junk company falsely marking drives as unreliable just to upsell their own white labeled drives. No thanks.
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Gee, how many J4125 did they buy?
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The writing is on the wall for Synology. I don’t think they’ll manage to remain successful in the prosumer segment, insisting on selling aged hardware in new chasis. I’m torn between Ugreen 4800 plus and the F4-424 Max. I guess whichever makes it sooner to my country.
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Is there a trends that tech brand like to price hike and overcharge so it wont broke our bank ?
If we overcharge enough we can prevent breaking people’s bank because they stop buying it ????
Lets protect our customers
Beelink product line with basic features set might working fine for grabbing share from different market.
Synology maybe making more bays beelink products and call it a hive ?
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huh…/me puts away wallet
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I just checked local prices. 245euro
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Nas companies continue to perplex me. One would expect a DS with Intel, like a 4/6/8 bay. People who use this bee-cr*p generally don’t care what’s inside; who’s their primary target audience, like people in retirement homes who want to keep pics of their loved ones and nothing much more than that?
Then again these cr*p cpus fit these cr*p products perfectly.
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Syn should make a Terramaster F8 competitor.
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OT : Robbie, have you seen the release notes for the recent DSM update ? Any thoughts on the implications of this ? Pushining multimedia users to the BeeStation ? : ”
” Starting from this version, the processing of media files using HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs will be transitioned from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency. These codecs are widespread on end devices such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs. If the end device does not support the required codecs, the use of media files may be limited. Refer to this article for workarounds. In addition, please note the following exceptions:
Surveillance Station on DSM will continue to support server-side processing of AVC (H.264) streams, see the release notes.
Deep Video Analytics (DVA) series models and VisualStation clients will retain support for AVC (H.264) and HEVC (H.265) codecs.
To ensure package compatibility, Advanced Media Extensions (AME), File Station, Media Server, Surveillance Station, Synology Drive, Universal Search, Synology Photos and Snapshot Replication will automatically update to the latest version.
Video Station is not available on DSM 7.2.2. ”
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It’s probably my last synology as they removed too many good stuff
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Jellyfin in container station works fine if you have an intel processor NAS due to the fact it has video support if not and you have a newer Ryzen processor model your up the creek without a paddle! thanks synology for making me “not want” to upgrade my NAS
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This absolutley not acceptable.
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F Synology ????????????????????????????
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I can’t believe this is happening. I purchased a DS916+ which includes built-in hardware transcoding of everything Synology says it is now discontinuing. I am heavily invested in Video Station as I have hundreds of movies on my Synology with DS Video clients on my TV, Apple TV, phones, and tablets. This is a slap in the face to customers which purchase Synology. I can see them not wanting to include the hardware transcoding, but the only reason I can think of as to why they are doing this is because of licensing. As a software engineer, I know it wouldn’t be that big of a deal to continue to move Video Station forward. There is something behind this move, and it is upsetting a lot of customers, including myself. I’m not sure the direction I will take. Not install 7.2.2, or invest in a move to Plex or something else. This is a big black eye on Synology in my opinion.
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I think they are moving away from the older formats to make way for the newer ones
And the first NAS to have 2.5Gb lan (WORM) file locking and support for JXL opus and AV1
will get my money. If the is ever a JXL app it will need a JPEG to JXL zero loss converter bult in
with a transcoder so we still have support for older devices also be good if we can get a app
for opus that can transcoder to MP3.
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Let’s face it. Without hardware acceleration playing hevc video is nearly impossible. Right move by Synology as majority of users buy these boxes for storage.
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I have two synology NAS, and based all of my home cloud on their solution. This really caught me by surprise. I’m an avid user of videostation, and though I installed Jellyfin, I’m not really keen on switching. Which means at the moment I’ve stalled the 7.2.2 installation and trying to consider my options. As you mentioned, the worry is not just Videostation, but overall the status of the first-party applications. How many are going to survive in the long run? Given I feel their hardware is somewhat overpriced, the whole point of still buying a synology has been, at least for me, to leverage the inhouse software. If they’re going to rely more and more on third party solutions, then I’m afraid other NAS brands will become more compelling.
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Hi guys, is now a good time to go for the DS1522+ or should I wait a little longer. I already have the OWC Thunderbay 4 DAS but wanted to consider a proper NAS (rather than turning my OWC into a NAS using TrueNAS and second PC).
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Wainting for the RS1225+ ????
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still waiting for the ds1825+
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Will they launch another flashstation , the 6400 is getting ‘old’
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Just give the user the option to use the AI. They shouldn’t force customers to use it. I know they want to join the bandwagon and hype but many people don’t care.
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PAS series… I looked up everywhere no mentions anywhere… you managed to be the only one to find this out…! nice!
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I run VLC on my Android/Fire devices and they see and play all the media files on my Synology NAS shared by Media Server. If I need to take media files with me I just download it to the SD Cards in my phone or tablet and play it with VLC.
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Synology has supported and helped grow personal media files and for us users who have large digital video and audio files it has been awesome, especially with the phone and tablet integration. My son and the future generations don’t use cd’s or DVD’s and in 10 years you will not find any for sale. Physical media will die and so will the need to host it. It’s going to a rental and streaming future. Synology are reacting to this trend. Sadly ????. It will be long before Apple and android stop supporting video station.
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Synology has supported and helped grow personal media files and for us users who have large digital video and audio files it has been awesome, especially with the phone and tablet integration. My son and the future generations don’t use cd’s or DVD’s and in 10 years you will not find any for sale. Physical media will die and so will the need to host it. It’s going to a rental and streaming future. Synology are reacting to this trend. Sadly ????. It will be long before Apple and android stop supporting video station.
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I still have a DS213+ under DSM6.2 to keep PhotoStation because Photo is not even reading metadatas as PhotoStation.
I’ll keep a NAS (Virtual or not) under DSM7.1 with ffmpeg package and VideoStation.
For the next NAS, I’ll look for an other brand. You said it, Synology is a all in one, if now I’ve to use third party apps, why spend so much money in a more or less outdated hardware.
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Dumb move by Synology. Should’ve given the user some options like paying for the licence to continue using the codecs.
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Just bought a DS224+ a few months ago BECAUSE of videostation etc… i will never buy a synology again, and i will avoid the upgrade. I hope synology atleast have the descensy to prove an alternative upgrade route to us that have purchased devices from them and want to keep video station
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Where is it?
Will it come as RS1225+?
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Without DSVideo…. It’s without me…. How is the next fonctonnalities removed of Synology?
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aaaand this is why im glad (and purposefully avoided) using DSM in my home built server. This is why you dont put all your “eggs” in one basket.. or rather, tie all your services to one eco system. Because shit like this happens.
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Please, sell a perpetual license or a DSM subscription and we as customers will take care of installing decent hardware.
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Just started last week to setup my video station, and planned to make heavy use for it.
Even started writing a tool to automate the creation of custom metadata in bulk, and planned to make that open source too so people could have a tool.
(Because there is nothing finished out there)
Now found out about this and i am like: Fluff my life…
I hope they will provide an alternative, because all others look like they are a downgrade in comparison in a frist breef look. I am going to wait before i even consider updating…
I wonder will they provide support for systems that don’t want to upgrade?
It is really sad!
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I use VideoStation and AudioStation almost daily… ????
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You’re totally right on the hull leaking analogy.❤❤ I left Sony cameras for this exact same thing when they started not supporting a 2-year-old $3600 camera I bought. By the time they rolled back and did release a new update the blood had already been spilled and I now am happy with another camera brand Panasonic!!
It opens the flood gates for customers to now look at competitors and say what’s different from Synology out there?????
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Does this cause any issues if I use a external player like the zidoo?
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Thanks for the review. I am a long time Synology user since 2010 and I do use Video Station to maintain my entire personal DVD, Blu-Ray , old VHS and home video collections. I have some older devices (like Ds916+, DS1515+, etc ) that I use for media (photos, audio and videos). However I also have DS720+ and DS920+ and considering upgrades.
Synology had offered a great way to integrate all of these onto one platform. I also used the enterprise level rack devices with video station for hosting work related videos.
I think that moving home, SMB and Enterprise users off platform for new solutions may backfire in the long run.
DSM is a great NAS OS but not the only one.
Synology may be going backwards here to reduce their app offerings. I my view they should retain Video Station even if they do reduce the number of codecs it supports.
I have been holding off on making several NAS hardware purchases for both home and work while evaluating Synology’s direction for the next 5 years.
Reducing service features is not helping.
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No more Synology devices will be considered.
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I’ve had a Synology network for about 6 years now consisting of a large main server housed at my place, a main backup server located at a family members house and some small dual-drive servers at each family members house to make it fluid and easy to manage. I take care of almost the entire familys data backup and file sharing. I’ve used Video Station until about 1,5 years ago, and decided to switch to Jellyfin instanced in a docker container. Reason primarily being the metadata api keys. That dodo-show was a pain!
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Volendo installare jellyfin qualcuno conosce una guida semplice? grazie! sperando che ne valga la pena
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Was with synology for its first party software support and it even costs more and I justified it for the software support. Extremely frustrated about videostation removal.
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I am a Video Station user, and I feel that Synology’s decision is a major disappointment, as one of the main reasons I purchased your NAS was because of the native applications. I really appreciated the simplicity of Video Station, especially the fact that I didn’t have to reorganize libraries for each user.
With Plex, every time I add a user to my library, I need to reconfigure and organize the content in the main menu, which is quite annoying—something that never happened with Video Station.
My question is: Will DS Video for Android and TVs also be discontinued or affected in any way?
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Just wow, Eddie (on the right) is completely out of touch… he clearly lacks knowledge in the area of hardware and LLMs. And Eddie’s comments about training on a LLM on the CPU… just wow, he clearly doesn’t know how these things work – you’d be training all year if that was the case. And then Robbie just talks to much… adds so much fluff to sentences and doesn’t get to the point.
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When DTS support was discontinued a few years ago, the Video Station became uninteresting.
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I suspect my next NAS is going to be an old Mac Mini with attached raid storage.
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EOL video station, now photos can’t play video, EOL photos, can’t transcode cam surveillance video, EOL surveillance station. Why not EOL all the apps and just run everything in docker then? No reason to even buy a Synology NAS then since there is better hardware offered by the competition.
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I use video station because it was the safe and tested media player that would play well with our data. I’m stunned that they would be so stupid as to get rid of it. Speechless. What will be next? Note Station, Audio Station? I use them both as well. Maybe I can’t trust Synology any more. And the way they did this was just so – I don’t give a sh*t about our home users. In my case the NAS is for my wife’s business and also for home use, so it will be a big job to move everything over to a more reliable NAS provider.
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With the hardware speculation and now this, I’ll be moving from my 918+ to a custom DIY running TrueNAS scale. Synology has become fucking dumb.
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it very much seems like they don’t want home users. I’ve been poised to jump on a Synology for a while now and I haven’t yet, thinking they’re about to update any moment now.. but.. the whole appeal is an integrated suite of software that is easy to run, doesn’t require extra costs (after the purchase of the unit itself and a new drive now and then) and doesn’t make me have to set up a bunch of third party services that I then I have to keep on top of (security issues, updates, subscriptions) etc.
What even is the advantage to this versus the ugreen NAS’s at this point?
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Having gone to Qnap a few years ago, I absolutely miss Synology DSM.
If, as you say, Synology is having financial troubles, then I think they’ll be looking for ways to save money. Not just licensing, but video station can’t be cheap to maintain.
Rehashing old hardware is another way of saving money while keeping the marketing machine moving. An 18 month old product can’t sell at the same price as a new one.
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Well that sucks.. After having at least ten synology products myself, and recommending them to other people.. I certainly won’t purchase or recommend them again, unless they go back on this!
They claim it is to improve efficiency that doesn’t make any sense, People could just not use those features if those customers cared about efficiency, personally I care about features, otherwise, I would just buy a dumb NAS for a fifth of the price!
I use and like ds video, so will NOT be updating.. Also i’m still p1553d off That they got rid of the two photo apps that were much better than their replacement.. Moments had subject detection, and ds photo had a map WHY do these features STILL NOT EXIST in photos?
I used to think synology was a great company.. Those days seem to have passed ????
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Minute 14:15 his answer shows like he lives in anoter reality.
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I’m a big time DS Video Station user. And I’ve enjoyed it immensely over the past 4 years. I’m a bit of a physical media collection-ist for Blu-ray/DVD’s/VHS. And after learning about Synology through your channel 4-5 years ago. I decided to buy Synology mainly for the DS video station application. I’ve had fun transcribing my physical collection to digital, Still have about 4 complete western tv shows to go until I’m finished. Was a major sucker punch them completely removing DS video station for support. I have not updated my Synology. Nor will I ever since video station is gone, esp with the lose of h.264/h.265 video encoding. Looking into my options now and I’ll see where I go from there. I love DS Video station because it works purely on my LAN. Great for when I lose internet. As it stands. I’m never going to buy from Synology again, and I’m looking into other companies for options.
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What about the fact that we paid for those features (VideoStation, HEVC) when we bought our Synology NAS, and that they are removing something that we paid for ? This is a dick move from Synology. If I can understand that HEVC has a recurring cost, just make it a paying license for those who needs it as Microsoft used to do. One big argument for Synology’s offer was that it used to be a full package not requiring third parties’ software. Quite worried about Synology’s direction lately
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I have the DS918+ with a DX517 that I use for Plex and have been looking to upgrade. The missing integrated graphics in the new Synology offerings have convinced me that my upgrade is going to be to a QNAP instead. Sad but they have forced me to make that choice.
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Hope the sales plunge! and they will rethink these decisions, don’t trust them anymore
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I really need a successor to Synology!
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No Video Station? No more Synology in the future. I won’t update, I will not ever buy another Synology in my life. That’s it.
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The only purpose for me having a Synology is media storage and playback. This is a big middle finger to customers like me.
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At this time. I don’t want to update to 7.2.2 as I invested a lot of $$$ in surveillance station. This will make it more difficult for me to use ths.with their changes will cause many issues with how I use it. Will I need to request refunds on everything I paid for?
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Video Station presents a nice front end. I’ll miss it. I have Video Station integrated through my own domain name and related SSL certificates which is only available on the LAN. It’s a nice setup. But, that’s through a web interface which is what I drive guests thru if they login to the guest network. In reality, I rarely use it and guests usually don’t connect to my WiFi. Yes I have a large library of videos on Synology. But the computers, smartphones, and other streaming devices on other segments of the network all have the ability to organize and play the videos without use of Video Station. The coolness of Video Station is the cover photo and descriptive information including the actors. In the end, a file is a file and if your endpoint can process the file type, then you’re in good shape. I’ll miss it like I miss the iTunes Server.
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Removing video station sucks..
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We ALREADY pay a TON for these devices where hardware is outdated by 5-6 years. The price is at least 2-3x of the actual hardware.
Synology should be able to pay for 20c/year license to keep the device for 10 years(natural life of electronics).
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My raspberry pi nas is starting to look very attractive. 😉
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After this update I will never buy another Synonogy after this
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If I have to use 3rd party app anyway, I will go to a other cheaper, more powerful system next time… 🙁
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I’m glad I didn’t spend time setting up video station and went straight to plex. I hope plex keeps going. I’ve got terabytes of stuff in my plex library.
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I use Synology Video every day. And it was a bad surprise to find out they have deprecated it. I tried Plex a few years ago, didn’t like it and uninstalled it pretty quickly. Synology Video, although with some downsides, is an app for me. If Synology doesn’t change their mind, my DS will be the last Synology device.
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larga vida a Qnap
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What’s next. Taking bets on Audio Station, Note Station or maybe Container Manager?
What a shit move!
Time to leave folks. Synology loves business customers not the loyal home users.
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From what I understand, processing the HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs has been removed “from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency.” I’m at a loss to see why this is a bad thing?
I am assuming that viewing a thumbnail or Photo/Video on and iPhone for example would be unchanged. Correct?
I tried to use Video Station on my DS920+ and didn’t like it at all. It seemed half-baked and nowhere near as smooth as some other options available.
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So what they’re saying is that in Synology they’re removing compatibilty with files that are used with the iPhone one of the biggest markets on the planet, am I understanding this correctly? Have I made some sort of error? Is this actually happening?
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I hate this decision from Synology, I use it to stream to my phone, and Apple TV. I’ve tried Emby and Plex back in the day and I saw no reason to pay when I had a practical, easy to install solution already. I really hope Synology reverses this move on future updates, and I agree, how can I rely on a private stream station if random decisions like these are taken?
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No wonder, if you don’t know what it’s about it’s about money, apparently greedfaltion got Synology now, shame on you Synology executives!!!
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I bought the Synology DS220+ for its “all inclusive” closed environment and suite of apps. DSVideo was one of the big ones, when it started dropping codec support I had to install ffmpg though community support packages. I am not a business so audio, video and backups are what I am using the device for. This has me thinking now as I was thinking of upgrading/expanding – I was sold on Synology, now i am pretty sure I am going to have to re-think my choice.
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I think less and less consumers are buying a nas. The online stream services has killed the consumer NAS-market.
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I’m livid. Synology: never again. Removing these features is unconscionable. The bare minimum would have been to give us a choice to pay extra to keep these features (and I would have!).
Let me outline my fury in categories:
Photos. In removing HVEC and H265 support and shifting that to edge devices, they complicate things. I need a Windows app? A browser extension? An app on my phone which will drain resources? GTFO. Meanwhile my always-on server will sit there drawing power and spinning the drives with less to do. That’s opposite land from the scenario I bought the server for! Synology Photos was my endgame photo storage solution! It was far from perfect but it worked, and I knew I could always access and browse the history of my life from anywhere, in any browser from any location. No more! Are the thumbnails generated on a given day? Who’s to say… Now I’m pushed to look for other alternatives that will do this bare minimum that Synology Photos no longer does.
Surveillance Station:
Baffling. Again, _let me pay for the feature_ Synology! I don’t want to weigh down my network with less efficient video. Why should I? Just because you say so? Again, Surveillance Station was supposed to be my endgame security solution. Now I’m already buying into another ecosystem because Synology cut me off at the pass.
Signaling:
What’s safe? Users of Video Station (I’m not one) are being robbed of what was a key selling point when they bought the device. Surveillance is nerfed. A contemporary video codec is removed for no good reason, and with no reasonable alternatives within the NAS ecosystem. What’ll go next? Why would I today buy into another Synology feature when I can’t be sure it’ll stick around.
It is as infuriating as it is baffling as it is disheartening.
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EVERYTHING WORKS Fine – updted my 216+ii – Updated PLEX PlexMediaServer-1.41.0.8911-1bd569c5f-x86_64_DSM72.spk – works fine. – PHOTOs work fine – Canon RAW and JPG files thumbs view Fine. No concerns or issues to report. – USE JELLYFIN if you want offline viewing for those without internet.
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I’ve now replaced Videostation with Jellyfin in a docker (but it’s also available from SynoCommunity). It’s not too difficult and I now have better transcoding. No subscription needed and it is open source.
Perhaps you can do a video on installing this?
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Video Station was an important reason why I recently bought a DS224+ … and I’m very disappointed to hear that it will be discontinued! ???? I also feel very insecure about migrating to PLEX, as I have indeed heard that they are in financial troubles.
I’m clearly disappointed with this development…
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That is a bad decision! Also no improvements for Collab, Notestation for some Time. Hmmmm… ????
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Is it safe to run plex on windows??
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Definitely not happy, I use video station all the time, from PC to mobile, also the video station is the one that creates all the media thumbnails, without that, how would Synology devices create thumbnails then? It is time to start looking alternatives
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I liked ds video, easy, no premium sections asking for money. Easy to use. No adverts, no pricing structure. Even the Mrs could use it. Crap decision on their part
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This update is a “holy shit”. I wont upgrade my 2 nases for this. And what about Synology Photos! Now it wont do the thum nails, i have to do it on my other units! This DSM is really taking a dump now.
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Hmmmm… Starting to regret upgrading my DS415play to a DS923+. I thought I could get away without the iGPU in favour of faster data performance, but slowly being let down in so many other ways. Will definitely consider other options and possibly even an early sale of my current unit… I need to check out your other reviews and comparisons… ????
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This is only the beginning, but it opens up the market for the other players.
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corporate greed not cool synology
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This made me think not only about „third party apps“ but „third party NAS“
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really don’t care about video station.. who need it? is super close, super proprietary, not all platform and device have it.. who care. The codes thing is shameless absurd..
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Update the chassis
A different color at a bare minimum
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I missing video station, jellyfin has another user, is very bad from synology.
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Every time I think about getting a Synology NAS there seems to be another reason that keeps me from jumping in.
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I am a video station user on my phone and on the android TV. And frankly the software was a big reason for chosing (again) a synology (DS1522). Maybe not next time as the alternatives are there and I think from HW point of view they might be even better/better value. Feels a bit like Google apps, better not get acquainted too much, they might disappear at any point in time.
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This news pisses my off
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Synology really pushes me away. Home users are not longer important customers.
Next will be Audio Station.
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???? I bought my initial DS218j to use as a media server using Videostation and it served quite well in that role since 2018. I have a media library in excess of 800 movies (a substantial investment). Just last month I decided to buy a DS423+ to offload the media streaming to a more capable NAS with transcoding cability. Imagine the bomb that just dropped informing me that Videostation would not be supported on either platform if I updated to the latest version. I have tried both Jellyfin and Plex and don’t like either one. I haven’t tried Emby yet but based on the description of having to pay to watch my own movies does not sit well with me. So, I now have a ~$1000 investment which at this point is much akin to a paperweight because I can’t use it for the intended role if I want to update beyond DSM 7.2.1. Planned obsolescence or painful business decision….? It might be nice for Synology to share the decision parameters with their users, since we are the reason they exist. If it’s a money issue why not ask their Videostation (and H.265) users if they were willing to pay for that capability rather than just pull the rug out from under us. While I agree that offloading “media processing” to edge devices makes sense, I don’t think that warrants the removal of the whole Videostation package. Aside from being included with the purchase of the NAS and DSM, in my estimation Videostation was superior to any of the cited 3rd party replacements. It doesn’t make sense to kill off a clearly superior product unless there’s no other choice. I just hope Synology can live with the decision, I can’t. Basically with this decision, I can no longer recommend Synology products or for that matter use them myself anymore.
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Terrible news for me. My family use it to watch home videos on their phones and two TV’s. The TV’s are too old to use plex or anything else so no choice but to not upgrade. However long I get a choice :(.
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Another key feature that is lost doing this is remote access. DSVideo is supported via QuickConnect and is very convenient for accessing Synology apps remotely. I use it quite frequently. And before someone says use a VPN, that’s not the point. A VPN requires further configuration and another app on the end device. With QuickConnect, only the app is required to be installed, no need for setting up a VPN.
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they should open source video station and let the people choose
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i wont buy a new Synology because of this
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they took video station away bro
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*sigh*.. Long time user of VideoStation.. I really preferred it to Plex since it had nothing to do with an external online account.. And it was relatively simple. I was waiting for the new 1825+ to upgrade to but taking away software and overcharging for hardware, going to have to look around again. Next requirement now will be “Can I run my choice of Linux distros on it?”. I don’t want to have to manage everything, but constant shift of companies to “You will own nothing and be happy” and/or “Enterprise customer focus only” will likely force me to..
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Just got mine like a week ago and bought it as my media box for work. Stuff like photo editing, video culling and more. I work with this stuff and now I really need to reconsider if this is what I want…
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I don’t get why these NAS’s are popular. Find a nerd, every family has one, and let them chew your ear off about DIY hardware and jellyfin. Or pay them to do it all for you, probably cheaper than these off the shelf solutions. Now that something like tailscale exists you can even DIY over-the-internet connections with very basic skills, no networking wizardry required just tailscale on every device you want to be able to access it.
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I’ve always used my NAS as a NAS. Never used VideoStation or Surveillance Station or any of that. I believe that specialized vendor software for any of those technologies works so much better. I actually prefer my NAS to be that: a NAS rather than an NVR or a photo/video client. So i must be one of the least ones here not having a problem with this change ???? Now, who knows what they might cut out in the future. But if you think about it, having a NAS dedicating CPU resources for transcoding stuff, I mean, this doesn’t make sense for me. I prefer to squeeze my CPU for storage speed much more than anything else.
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I used video station a lot however as video codecs and phone start to use more resolution and state of the art codecs the software decoder start to not work anymore. And Synology refuses to launch a biffier cpu with hardware transcoding is stupid.
They provide me a dual Core 4 thread and the AMD one don’t have a gpu and they have in their lineup embedded with a GPU.
Synology was started a long time ago to f*** off to the pro-users.
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Thanks for the video and all the good work with this channel, which I follow for a long time!
Living in a multi-language home I have been using DS Video only for its very good capabilities to automatically search for subtitles from several different sources at once and saving them to the respective folders. Also, DS Video 3rd party player, which came up whenever there was an incompatible video/audio format (often), allowed for displaying 2 subtitles simultaneously (although it did not kept movie progress if you left). These were two good features of DS Video that I did not found elsewhere.
On the cons side, DS Video never deals well with movies Featurettes / Extras, always identifying them as separate titles (and totally wrong), making my movie library a mess to search. Although I investigated at a certain point, there was seemingly no way to handle featurettes (apart from deleting them).
Synology quit improving DS Video a long time ago and is clearly moving away from the home / media streaming market. For this market there are much better options available.
If starting from scratch in 2024, I would surely go DYI! I use an (incredibly) old desktop as a backup server running TrueNAS Core with Plex / Jellyfin jails. This server can stream 4k content to the TV with ease (no transcoding)! There are many excellent videos / recommendations on this channel, or just reuse old hardware!
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This is just annoying and upsetting news!! Damn you synology!! I still waiting on a good upgrade from them but will never come since there hardware is always dated. May have to look into qnap now.
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I’m glad I saw this video as it’s convinced me my 1520+ will be my last Synology device. I use video station daily for my kids rooms as its really easy for them to navigate their movies and general usage. This could very well be the start of the end of the Home Media User! We use audio station and photos, but I’m not going to risk upgrading the hardware and investing a lot of money for them to pull away the software eventually, I originally purchased it for!! Synology for me, was all about the software! Thanks for the update
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I’m stunned. And what the actual f*** Synology! I just made my father buy 2 years ago a ds220+ to backup his iPhones, and I was planning to get one too for the same reason!
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I like the Synology NAS… I have three of them. But, I do not think you can depend on them to continue with certain apps and capabilities over the long haul. Like dropping support for dongles… now the Video Station. Accordingly I tend to keep things minimal. I am running the Unifi Controller and Plex. That is it for those kind of apps. For both I have an alternate means of running outside of the NAS. I use Blue Iris here. If they want to go all in on supporting Enterprise that is their prerogative. They cut too much out of the product for me I will cut them out of my network. There are always lots of ways to overcome the void.
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I have one of those 12 bay NAS AN D the 12 bay expansion. One of the dumbest purchase of my life. Synology just doesnt support the users like they used to. It started about a year and a half after I got my system(s).
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I’ve been running DS Video since 2014 and have always thought it was good enough for my purposes. Gutted they’re canning it.
However, I switched to Plex last night which took me no longer than an hour or so (I’ve of average Synology competence level) and I’ve been really impressed with it so far. Most of the bloat that seem to have people annoyed is easy to remove and it works really well.
End of an era and a baffling strategy, but we’ll all survive.
Great video as always, thank you.
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I’m broken. I’m 90% DsVideo. Works offline, and it’s more robust than a lot of people know, or cared to learn. .. going jellyfin now. Use case for Plex is as a secondary option on my other 2 Syno units. Have tried Emby but not paying for Plex like use.
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Video station is one of the main reasons i bought my Synology NAS and the fact it has (Or soon to be had) its all in one eco system so to speak. the more the change the more my interest looks else whare.
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I definitely recommend Jellyfin. Free and Open source. There are docker versions and other versions. If you like the program always nice to donate to the devs to help upkeep the program.
Not sure how good/poor Jellyfin works on the Synology systems.
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Just got my first ever NAS today, a DS224+, and after seeing this I’m considering to return it. Being able to host video and preview/share it like Google Drive was one of the reasons I bought it. Fortunately i’ve got Jellyfin running via SynoCommunity,.
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Damn it, one of the most important applications with Surveillance Station seems to be affected. For H.265 they proffer up the following: “Motion detection using Surveillance Station’s algorithms will no longer be supported. The settings will automatically switch to using the camera’s built-in algorithm if available, or be disabled.”
I’m so glad I only bought one extra Surveillance Station licenses a couple of years ago. Locking down all updates from here on and looking at an alternate NAS solution…might even look at Blue Iris or something. Damn Synology…was even looking for an upgrade (if they ever supported 2.5Gb)…but w/o Surveillance Station then there really isn’t a compelling reason to stay besides the inconvenience of transferring my files to a new NAS ecosystem.
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I use synology photos with our Apple ecosystem , I used to use Tailscale when I was on the go , uploading my iPhone during a trip was awesome. I guess I will be able to do that but everything will have a X or an error since apple use heic and hevc for many many years. Ugreen with Unraid or Tailscale is my next project.
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Been using Synology NAS systems for 15 years. Never liked Video Station, I used DLNA streaming up til I got on Jellyfin via Docker. OS level decoding will hurt more for most I think.
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I was considering a Synology but given the compatibility push to use their own storage drives and memory, I’ve reconsidered.
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I use video music and photo stations
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I recently got into Synology partly because of Synology Photos and Audio Station and their integration with iOS. Because of this, I have no confidence that they will continue supporting those apps. Because I’m a new user, I question investing my time in learning and using them. There is no announcement about their continued support of their other products, and it feels like, at times, Audio Station is getting the same level of love as Apple gives iTunes. So, I am looking into open-source alternatives for my audio and photo needs. Open-source projects available on multiple platforms are likely the only solutions to provide some level of confidence in their longevity. Hearing this news really bummed me out.
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Used video station a bit but Plex is better and more customizable. Synology also doesn’t let you use video station outside your home on a Samsung tv as it requires you to be on the same network and not quickconnect. Real issue is the effects it will have on Synology Photos.
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I was considering buying an 1821+ for our small business. However, in my test run on my personal 918+ I am experiencing regular problems with synology drive not syncing, and now this. I am going to take a look at other solutions now.
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They are dead to me, I was about to buy an 8-bay unit from them, not anymore and I’m kind of happy they did this move, that pushes me to invest in a custom solution I’ll build from scratch and won’t rely anymore on any of these corporations for my storage and streaming.
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Video station sucked anyways.
However, this is indicative of S’s “f u” attitude towards it’s non-Enterprise customers
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This is pathetic and please stop trying to fast talk us, like we are stupid.
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Hevc support is crucial for photos. Why do this synology?
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Not updating isn’t an option, there will be security vulnerabilities in the future, and users will have to take those. What about Qnap, what is their video application, and does this mean people will buy a Qnap rather than Synology.
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well done Synology, I believe the more 1st party apps they drop (I suspect Audio Station will be next), the more reasons you have for not paying the premium price that Synology asks for 🙂
I’ve started to build my own NAS / ordered a Jonsbo N4 to house it 🙂
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So if we assume Synology won’t be the home users choice in the future. Who should we consider switching too ?
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surely this isn’t true is it? because the licensing cost (per device) was only $0.20 USD per unit?! for that, I really wouldn’t mind to foot the bill so long as I am given the choice to
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*Why not just replacing Synology by another NAS Manufacturer which supports basic features (like Video station) used a 99% of all homes?* Synology grew up with home customers and Synology now despises them. *The probability is very high that Synology will make similar decisions in the future and cut off home-use customers* so that they will have to look for workarounds again.
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Can we please call them “Twelve Twenty-four”? It’s easier to understand the two parts of the name this way (bays, year).
I feel that “One Two Two Four” is less than ideal.
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UGREEN hardware with unraid / truenas have already made me think about my next NAS. The early talk around the 45 drives 4 / 8 bay NASs are also looking very interesting, together with whatever UniFi put out there.
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Well I bought sinology just because of the all the codec support…
I am rely angry as right now I am playing h.265 videos from my photos using trans coding to lower bitrat all the time when I am out in the world
maaan this is really making me hate synology as i relay care about it.
Whate are my options if I need transcoding of videos and images in my pphoto app.
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I’ve not long had a single bay DS124, DS Video app only seemed to work over local network, as soon as I was away most files won’t play, I assume because my NAS doesn’t transcode. I’m now looking at other brands, how long until UGreen release in U.K.? And are they good for transcoding?
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I’ve been a video station user since day one (I have a DS101j – working btw). This is a blow and a blow for users who want something that works without the additional tinkering.
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There is only one explanation. Synology is run by seagulls!
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I guess their new releases must be quite few, no need to deploy anything for none buying prosumers, and just stick to Enterprise users. Looks like they have nailed that coffin very well. I guess the next NAS will not be a Synology
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Synology is misunderstanding it’s stats. People aren’t using their video station or their Nas for video playback because the hardware and software for HDR 4k 5.1 is subpar compared to free ones.
I run Kodi on tv app with Nas instead.
Synology software in 2024 is not worth what they think it’s worth and their hardware is always outdated.
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So, am I interpreting this correct in saying that the synology update will have no impact on “Plex”? Or, is it possible that the update may have a downline impact to third party video presentation applications.
It also seems that there will need to be “Plex” intervention after the Synology update. Also, if that’s the case, what if there is an impact if one has the current “Plex” server update.
I’ll take it that with the version prior, if updated to the current Synology update can be rolled back, correct?
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End of life, gentlemen
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Years ago I decided to jump ship from Plex to VideoStation. I use it on my Sony TV with MX Player as external player and mx_aio.1.49.0.zip as decoder plug-in. Works like an absolute charm. For DTS decoding I use Darknebular’s wrapper. Its fantastic! Why such a sudden unpleasant surprise? I can keep using MX player on TV but will miss the nice interface. Fortunately I also have a Dune HD Pro 4k II. Sorry, I have to mourn now…????
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It also affects Synology Surveillance Station, if you record in h265 you can no longer use the Synology motion detection, motion has to be done by the camera.
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I don’t think this impacts me… I don’t use the video station app. I access my vids via DLNA on smart devices.
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I picked a DS720+ some years ago and accepted paying a premium price for the Synology software ecosystem (especially Synology photos) and accepted for lower end hardware. With the removal of transcoding at the nas level “for better efficiency” (I didn’t notice any issue), I feel being abandoned by Synology…what next to be removed in the comiong updates? If is is to simply have a file server there are more cost effective solution
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Synology should be sued. I think many people chose Synology to use this video function. They also specifically advertised it and now they are not keeping their promise. That is not acceptable, not in Europe!
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You can say goodbye to HW transcoding in the future.
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This doesn’t affect anything I do, but I understand the disappointment.
As far as “why”? I’m going to guess home users are 80% of the service tickets for only 20% of the revenue. Firing your most needy and unprofitable customers may be what this is all about. Just speculation.
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DIY NAS it’s much better choice!!
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99% of my media streaming is done through Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, etc. In the very rare occasion that my internet goes out, I end up switching to Video Station to watch movies. I switched to Video Station from Plex because Plex required me to log in to get access to my server. If the internet went out, I was unable to log in to my own server even though it was on my local network. I’m done with Plex, on to Emby I guess.
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I used to be a Synology die hard.
The synology way was to give you a box where you could give up 3rd party tooling. Now it seems by design that they want to reverse that. Ho hum
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I was just about to upgrade my 920. But glad I saw this video. I was going to buy another synology because I didn’t want to have to overhaul my directories, but if I’m going to have to do it anyways maybe I should buy a different system.
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I am very disappointed as it is another example of Synology dumping the home user. I mainly use my 3 Synology Nas’s for multi media. I need transcoding but am being abandoned here as well. I want to choose which brand of discs I buy. After 12 years on the platform I am looking at alternatives.
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honestly i almost never used the video station, instead i think that the audio station is their best app! works great even on mobile, it supports download, flac play (even with high bit), streaming in mp3 or wav! i think that outside there are no solutions “free” to use like that.
maybe on plex s ecosystem with plex music but i am not totally convinced about that company
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I stopped using Sinology Video Station/Media server two years ago since I switched to AppleTV as a player. It does have application that can play over samba sharing, so no need of any streaming apps on the server side. I guess Android boxes probably also have…. So now my old ds412+ can do samba sharing only and lives happy live 🙂
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Fortunately this doesn’t affect me. I never did use Video Station or Photo Station. Like you said, there are much better alternatives out there. Jellyfin is better than Photo Station and PhotoPrism is better than Photo Station.
Either way, I won’t be buying a Synology NAS in the future. It’s better to just build your own and use something like TruNAS or unRAID. ????
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Can it be because intel media sdk is deprecated?
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For photos the alternative is mylio
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AV1. In my comments I consistently state that AV1 is the future and any NAS that doesn’t support hardware AV1 decoding is a complete waste of time and money from a multimedia perspective. AV1 doesn’t require licence costs unlike hevc / h265. I am reencoding all of my videos to AV1 for my DIY NAS. Intel’s n100 CPU provides all the hardware AV1 decoding I need.
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What about infuse as an alternative ?
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It’s not the first time synology end of life essential fonctionality for their Nas. (Dongle DVB-T driver…..). On workaround Synology say, use third party software.
But, in this case, if you use third party software for all, it’s cheaper yo use DYI Nas with open source software.
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I have 2 working Synology NAS which I have loved. However Synology has just been throwing table scraps to us for hardware and now they’re cutting software functionality as well. Sadly, my next NAS will not be a Synology.
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Good news for ugreen and terra master ????
Good Lord Synology got another chop off after Synology brand HDD
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-iPhone uses HEVC format for their stills and live photo thumbnails! Not good because this will likely affect users collections’ of iPhone content on Syno Photos app.
-I used VS just to preview whatever kind of videos, from DSM, otherwise I play on my systems default video app via mapped drive.
In conclusion then, I’m going to postpone my update to 7.2.2 and keep an eye out for other users experiences. I don’t understand why Synology is doing this, and don’t think it’s good for their current users and future market.
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I am a video station user and I am pretty pissed about this…. Now I do have to say that I can mount my movies through a share and watch them that way but I just hate that they pulled this move.
I don’t wanna use plex or another program to be honest but I might need to now what makes me quite unhappy.
I have been a Synology user because of their excellent software….. well guess that is coming to an end. I really hope they will make a new app but I am worried it will be too late if they don’t release it today what is obviously not gonna happen.
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Phew….. I was using VideoStation for since getting my DS218+… and on my DS920+…. But about 2 months ago, decided to go over to Plex. Feels like I got lucky…. Shame about this, and it it worrying the idea behind this. Hopefully they say a bit more what the plan is.
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I use photo and video and would use audio. Synology is essentially saying to us, don’t trust us to support you. I would worry even if I was enterprise. Enterprise users are also home users.
Can I consider buying the continual sold out cameras in the US? Who knows how long they will support anything.
Synology is number one in the OS for security. They also made a name for themselves by creating an ecosystem that supports anyone wishing to not use various cloud services for each use case.
Why are they destroying their bread and butter user base? Companies need to understand the business user is also a consumer. They are not two different animals.
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I HATE PLEX HATE IT…. If they decide to dump audio station I may very well dump Synology. My family uses audio station so I do not have to subscribe to streaming services.
I OWN my music! I do not rent it!
And I use Video Station at least I do not use the photo or the surveillance stuff
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Just bought a 423+ last month, choose this model for hw transcoding support. Do run jellyfin in docker though
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Will you take a look at the AOOSTAR WTR Pro? On paper seems the device I’ve always wanted, 4 HDD bays, N100, M.2 slot for the OS, no proprietary OS so it’s possible to run Proxmox etc on it and even 2.5Gb port.
Looks like a fantastic choice to me, especially for the price.
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ditched sinology a long time ago, so unreliable in every part, having to pay to use a camera on YOUR device is a joke also, green will destroy them in a few years, and when ubiquity come with theirs they’ll be a forgotten NAS
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If Synology carry on sending these clear signals of intent that they are pulling back from the prosumer market I doubt very much that my next NAS will be a DS whatever! Shame after 10+ years and three NASs from them!
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I just fully configured my Video Station on my DS1522+ last week, and they’re already planning to discontinue it???
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Sad to hear that. Have still ds214play and using video station. It was best in conjunction with their dyndns giving ability to watch movies on the go. With photos, video station it was a great ecosystem.
Was already checking for a replacement to a newer synology. Now with an inferior ecosystem without first-party support and needing to tinker with third-party apps synology seems like a expensive paperweight. If going diy/tinkering way then best to go freenas/jellyfin way all-in, will be superior and cheaper in the end.
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Synology is telling us that they only want to build NAS products for file storage and nothing more with moves like this. Since it’s what (currently) separates them from the competition this feels like a real cutting of their nose to spite their face type situation.
Add to this the fact that they recently b0rk Photos as an automatic phone back-up solution and I’m quickly running out of reasons to stick w/Synology. There were very few reasons I chose Synology to begin with but, if they’re regressing in terms of software & built-in features… I have fewer and fewer reasons to not just go with another offering that has better hardware at a lower price even though the software is basic.
If all I’m doing is storing files with my NAS then suddenly all of these “advantages” the Synology has over the competition no longer exists.
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Video Station user here. Terrible decision Synology has made
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Thanks for the video. I’m a long term Video station user. It’s never been stellar, however its worked well for me for years. I continue to regularly stream from VS to both Samsung TVs app as well as the firestick applications from a DS214 Play. I have no clue if Ill go Emby or Plex yet. However if Synology does decide to put out a replacement, id likely be hard pressed to do another what is surely going to be lengthy transition back.
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Synology is still the best nas by far!
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Remind me again, the reason to buy Synology over other brands is the software,……right?!?
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Dude, video station is not the worst. The worst part of this is Synology photos also going to crippled with the codes that iPhones use… this is such a weird, all around downgrade.
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title of the video should just be EOL of Synology …
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Good timing i’m between Synology and Terramaster, this made it easy
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The living room tv has an old Chromecast and we use Video Station (and the DS Video app) only for that. Although the youngest (20 now) likes the “pretty interface with large pictures and posters” (browser on laptop). Because the Synology UI/database is so slow to navigate (DS413j), on most machines we just use Windows Explorer: double clicking folders and the (top right) search field. Also for moving files around and adding/editing subtitle files.
I tried the Kodi app (installed on a newer Chromecast) but could not edit the database like I wanted (the automatic indexing made waaaay too many errors). It seems logical to me that a media database is stored once on the NAS and accessed by the client devices – not stored (and maintained!) on each and every client device. Or am I doing it wrong?
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No way I will be buying a new Synology,stick to my HP microserver.I use video station app with my Samson TV and find it good
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they are slowly pushing the home consumer out of their business plan. ……my opinion at least. if their OS wasn’t so FREEKIGN AWESOME, i wouldn’t give two shiznits.
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Let’s be honest here. Do an even slightly considerable number of owners even use this? I’m all for knocking on Synology for all of their anti-consumer behavior for the last several years, but this doesn’t seem like. Anyone other than complete noobs, will instantly lose VS, and go to 3rd party apps. And rightfully so.
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I am mostly worried about Photo Station (Incl. it’s ability to play iPhone videos properly), as I am using it as my main photo/video sharing app. EDIT: And thumbnail generation.
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Jellyfin
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I guess we should keep an eye on QNAP to see if they EOL their Video Station.
I’m one of the outliers here; I don’t use VS and seldom use Plex even though I have a lifetime subscription. I consider my collection to be very well organized so I just use the DLNA server to send video to my TV and and am quite satisfied with that. It’s about as simple as it gets.
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Dump Synology! They are not our friends. Crap hardware, irrelevant “improvements”, overpriced “supported” hard drives. Get out while you can.
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Interesting stuff, I wonder if Surveillance Station or the Photo management one is for the chop next?
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I’ve been on the fence about which NAS to get, Synology or UGreen, I also want to see the UniFi NAS before I make a decision. I was hoping Synology were going to do a massive revamp of VideoStation into (as you mentioned) a single Multimedia App with AudioStation, etc. People say with Synology your paying mostly for the software, well if they carry on down this road of pushing these things to third parties then that doesn’t hold up as much and you start to ask why the NASs only come with 1GBE for the most part, integrated graphics becoming more rare, etc. I was like 90% sure I was going to get a Synology… now I’m more like 60%, that could go even lower once I see what Ubiquity come out with (if anything). This is a step backwards in my view from Synology.
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Plex uses their own codecs in their folder, will that work ?
We use video station here, lots of recorded classes in there that I usually access through my Samsung TV..
I’m thinking in perhaps moving those files to Plex folder and see how it goes.
There is already a Plex for DSM 7.2.2 available.
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I use Emby
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Synology is literally ONLY relevant due to their software. They have been destroyed on hardware… who over at Synology is like “lets remove features from the only thing that gives us the leg up in the market” do they just want to kill of home users? If they want to be Dell they should just tell people.
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great thing about VideoStation was QuickConnect support, but nowadays (zero-config) VPNs are common,
that said, frankly DS File is more pleasant experience than DS Video, should deserve some refresh, but it works,
interesting thing about HEVC end is a potential future for use of AV1 codec (which is superior, and free?) – I wonder which Synology NASes and client devices can handle that yet?
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I am a QNAP user for very long time (almost 10 years). I have been years wanted to join the synology team, specially to try their acclaimed software. This year i decided to buy one Synology NAS, so i have been waiting so far for the Synology’s new releases (now on September). Now I am wondering how the EOL of Video Station will be impact with the new releases models. Maybe I will end up buying a Ugreen NAS :-/
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It’s primarily a problem for the weaker j series devices. On our DS220j only Video Station is the only usable media server app, Jellyfin can’t even be installed properly and Plex is also becoming worse with their business model and shift away from local media playback. So glad I switched to Infuse on Apple TV, the NAS just needs to provide the files and do nothing else…
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Got Synology a month ago among other things thanks to your videos. Complete software package was not the only but was one of the deciding factors for me. Finding out yesterday on Reddit that they are ending VideoStation and “crippling” SynologyPhotos was a low blow. But after a while I read their “switch to something else” help page, realized even my jNAS has Docker, installed Jellyfin and didn’t even had to apply for my own API keys and stuff like with VideoStation… so… yeah. Though with their pricing it’s still a crooked move, as a buyer expects them not to remove existing features.
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What is the next service they shut down?
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Well, this is a bummer. I have all of my videos in video station. I like the clean interface. I have Plex but moved away from it for the clean interface on video station. Boo Synology!
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I tried Video Station several years ago… ended up sticking getting a Plex Lifetime pass server years ago (back when it was around 75 US).
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what is video station ? 😮 never use`t it … not even once … and i got like 5 Synology nas boxes !
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Soo disappointing. I use both Plex and Disk Station. I like that DS doesn’t have all the ads and added “stuff”. Sometimes I just want to watch my files… I probably use DS more than Plex even though I have a lifetime plan. I can only hope that they eventually roll out with a better option and don’t get rid of it all together.
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What??? What the h***
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I have DS918+ and I guess I’m glad this won’t be pushed to mine.
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tbh, who uses video station?
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They probably wanted to have this version out before releasing the first 25-model (which probably will require 7.2.2 and up), so in that way it makes sense. It could also mean that the road is now paved to release either the 1625+ or 1825+ shortly.
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Moved to plex so won’t be affected
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They’re just shifting all the resources to Enterprise departments and support. I see less and less reason for home user to stick with Synology.
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Doesn’t this close out the ability to have thumbnail views in ds file then? It relied on videos being within a video station library.
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Synology is getting worse and worse. Luckily I switched to Ugreen 😀
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Just dont understand their direction they are trying to go. They still havent changed my mind on wanting to stay on DSM 6.
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Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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Heard rumours of DS Video being discontinued. Anyone else hear the same?
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And just like that, they dropped video station. And indeed, I am not amused at all.
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Synology has left home users
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People be honest with your self the main reason why we are buying Synology is not hardware but software.
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QNAP as they seriously addressed complaints and weaknesses in the last 3 years they turned into a great solution. Synology did the exact opposite of what people complained about and were issues to be addressed. I will never purchase Synology because of this. QNAP is really good now with the os, software and security, a great smb and home solution, with hero and zfs it goes up stream real nice as well. Lastly the likelihood of Synology getting any real market share in enterprise will take years to get any possible return of any, that market has good solutions with relationships that span a decade. Synology had a good relationship they destroyed to get one they won’t.
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My crystal ball says that prices will be HUGELY dissapointing…..
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Rs 8bay. Come ooon Synology ????????
And yes half size ????
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I’m an avid user and solutions reseller of Synology. Synology is on a very slippery slope, subscriptions, locking people into ridiculous over priced hard drives (you can’t get) and selling near 10 year old processors in their product lines.
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Synology needs new intel or amd with integrated graphics! It’s a joke to see a nas without integrated graphics
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Deprecated, not depreciated! Sorry to be a correction dude, but we’re all entitled to one thing that irritates the bejaysus out of you.
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SYNOLOGY LISTEN, I mean i like DSM because its reliable and easy to use, yet i can run custom apps. Why is synology sleeping on Intel N100 and N305 …SERIOUSLLY. 500€ NAS like DS425+ cant have J4125 is old pedestrian it can run 1 VM. How entropenour could run company on slow NAS?
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My moments where i walked on Synology was the focus on the amd processors, the requirement for their m2 for just a silly pool, and the 423 which i literally thought was a gag until i confirmed it. They haven’t updated their hardware or software in any meaningful way in a long time. And they are dumping money into a market i highly doubt they will have any real penetration… they are done, they just haven’t noticed yet. Ugreen is the hardware heavyweight and QNAP is the software and hardware vendor of choice, and they deserve it with the relentless work they have done in the last 3 years…
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Im quite disapointed with synology as im a customer since they started. Unfortunately they got greedy and the units are always under spec,expensive, and to use premium features you were forced to use their hardware for premium features (NVME volumes) that costs a fortune. Then you have subscriptions and now more paid features to be available as new models come out. Dont give me the same excuse over and over stating this is enterprise. Synology is not enterprise and will never be if you compare it with other brands. For me im done with them. I had 6 units several models and got rid of all just because of this. they wont get any more money from me. There are far better options available out there and the cheaper and with better performance. currently i use DYI nas and QNAP.
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Love your videos! I have a hot spare in my Synology 1522 and need to increase the volume. How do I add the hot spare to the existing volume?
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I really wanted to try Synology for a long time because of photo and security camera video storage features, but if subs extend from SMB to home users, I’ll probably stick with TrueNAS. It mostly does all that I need. Terrific chat guys ????
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UGREEN w/ proxmox = full flexibility why wait for trad suppliers to upgrade their hardware with decent prices?
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I used a lot VideoStation before, but now with h265 and more state of the art codecs for Audio and video, video station isn’t able of decode the files, the lack of a gpu turns everything even more down.
I really like Synology ecosystem but their hardware is more and more focused on enterprise and less and less about prosumer/media.
The prosumer ones are lacking so much with weak cpus, no gpus, only with Gbe that it becomes harder and harder to think about Synology.
I like their suite of apps I love the OS but without eggs we cannot do an omelette.
I cannot justify a 6bay or 8bay deskop or rack with a embedded amd cpu to cost 1k 1.5k is prohibitive, for this prices I except and ryzen 3 at least with a GPU.
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As a simple user that wants reliable access and apps (NoteStation, PhotoStation, etc.) along with practicality (lower size and noise, essentially NVME support), Synology seems to be moving away from users like me. I’m hanging on for something, but it may be time to jump ship soon.
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QNAP TS-464-8G (4-bay) NAS with DSM including SHR file system would be the perfect solution.
This model beats DS923+ or DS423+ in all aspects (better CPU, 8GB RAM, 2.5gb network, NVME supports most of the brands either as cache or pool)
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Where can we get one of those “mo’ data, mo’ problems” sweatshirts? ????
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923+ needs to have a modern Intel CPU, and 2.5 lan minimum. If not I am going though the pain and switching to another brand. A lot of people use these devices for multimedia servers and Ryzen is a horrible choice for that. They stand no chance in the Enterprise market. They’re destroying the existing user base to chase clients they will never land.
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The whole point of people buying a NAS is to avoid the ongoing fees of the backup services currently. I for one will ditch my NAS if Synology dare to charge me a subscription for use of DSM or whatever. I will just revert back to USB External drives.
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Synology have reached the point where even DSM cannot make up for their Hardware fails … their Enterprise push is going to fail miserably (they have zero engagement with enterprise clients and that takes many years to build) …. essentially they are OVER ….only a Fanboi would buy Synology if they looked at the breadth of the market …. Synology are at this point just a cult rather then a competitive NAS solution.
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I will be so disappointed if they have the same hardware in the 1825+ model. I have been postponing this purchase for the 1821+ for a couple of years or so now, in the hopes that they will be able to have an updated chip, ports, etc. If there’s no major update to the series, it’ll be a bit useless to purchase, esp once the price drops again for the 1821+. I really hope they offer something much better, there’s been plenty of time for them to p.ay around and experiment with the new chips.
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As much as I really like the Synology interface, and also like the simplicity of their SHR and general apps, they really are pushing me in the direction of the Ugreen DXP6800 Pro (warts and all).
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Been thinking about buying a DS923+ as an online backup unit for my DS1621+ recently, maybe I might wait to see what’s coming out before I pull the trigger. 2.5Gb would be a plus although may end up adding 10Gb as I doubt it will come as standard. Drive compatibility is still a bit annoying as would prefer to run all Red Pro drives so if I ever wanted to repurpose drives out my backup unit, into my main unit, they’d be up to similar speeds/transfer rates.
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Plex is bad, beter is Jellyfin. I wish a Option for pay 5-10$/y for Support all Audio and Video format (dolby true, dts, …)
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Eddie’s face looks as dissapointmess of what Synology is going to deliver. And .. I am not surprised. Time to switch to QNAP, Eddie !!!!
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Synology cameras are vaporware at this point. TC500/BC500 are never in stock, and retailers like B&H Photo no longer sell them due to that reason. You saw the same thing with the CC400W… They showed off that camera in November 2023, you reviewed it April 2024, but still nothing.
Btw, Rob can you do a detailed comparison between Unifi Protect and Surveillance Station? There are no recent videos available comparing them.
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QuTS 5.2 just released, speaking of software…
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What I’m wondering is if this means the BC500 is discontinued, and the CS500B will also allow local storage, the BC500 will be back, or they are abandoning local storage cameras and only going with cloud storage. I had one of my BC500’s ripped off the house by some roofers, and it was damaged. I replaced it with an Axis camera since the BC500 is sold out. It is a superior camera in most respects, but it was also a lot more expensive. I”m going to move to a multi-acreage property next year, and I wanted a fleet of BC500’s for several areas due to the cost and features. It was going to allow me to only buy more expensive Axis cameras for areas that needed it. I guess I need to start looking for cheaper NDAA cameras in case, but I really liked the AI integration of the BC500 with Surveillance Station. The Axis camera integrates with Surveillance station to a degree, but I still use the on camera alerts for some situations.
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btw … Im late, but thanks for the new mic for Eddie some time ago.
I dont need to instantly turn the video off anymore, and run away screaming mercilessly into the void.
That said – Here’s a NAS question – and no, I dont expect an answer here at all,
this is more about a potential future video. Am I an ‘average’ user?
I am very successfully and enjoyably still running a DS918+ as a file server for us all at home here, with RAM and M.2 Cache bays stocked full, and running 4 various sized Seagate drives running SHR. And … No, I dont run plex or any heavy multimedia on this system, and although 2.5G LAN would be nice and its supported by my computer, I certainly dont ‘need’ anything faster than that. 10G is irrelevant.
I also run a one bay local backup USB drive that once a week auto runs USB Backup for each user, and once a month it auto backs up mission critical folders to dropbox.
All that known – Do I need to spend $800+ Canadian to trade up to a 2025 version of this NAS (DS925+), just to satisfy the ‘new toy’ algorithm?
Is there any point? Is the 2.5G LAN worth the cost? I dont really need the USB-C or the 10G upgradability.
And … if it ever exists … should I move from a single local backup drive, to these new DP320 / DP420 backup solutions when and if these little desktop versions come out? Will their Active Backup OS be compatible with this use case? Will this be safer with a setup like this? Or should I move to a 2 Bay Synology drive and run Synology Active Backup or Drive Share Sync?
Maybe its time for a video for those of us who bought in almost 7 years ago, and wondering if they should upgrade … and how.
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Very dissapointing news. Im glad I got a nvidia card working in my ds1621xs+ and dont really need to upgrade. But I still wish they would release a much upgraded successor, preferably with a quiksync enabeled gpu.
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No wonder why brits are always going on holiday. There’s no sun.
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I’m an average NAS consumer currently owning 2-bay Synology NAS which I bough several years ago: it was affordable and available -which was the only reason why I decided for Synology. For past several months I’m looking after “home” 4-bay NAS and all I can say is: Synology is dead, non existent for me.
I don’t care if and how successful Synology is in enterprise market, but Synology’s consumer offers are.. embarrassing -and that’s for many years now.
All PC mainboards made in last 3+ years have 2.5G port built-in, meanwhile we can buy 2.5G switches for 60€, SATA (and even M.2) SSD’s have become an option price wise… and Synology is still “defending” that 1G is good enough for us? Let’s face it: Synology is abandoning consumer segment or just doesn’t care. And I don’t care about Synology either.
The only argument that speaks for Synology is “friendly” OS compared to competition -where all of them offer MUCH better hardware. Reviewers many time present competition OS-es as “ok, is not that bad”, which somehow implies as “barely usable” and so many are almost afraid to take the risk by switching the brand.
At this point I wish to thank the author of this video for his great job in all past years!
Bogdan
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Synology is utter garbage. I was a synology enthusiast for almost 20 years but their prices and hardware is crap. Moved my surveillance to frigate and my NAS to truenas and run docked in portainer. Much better. The fact they don’t refresh a crappy cpu after 4 years shows exactly what kind of crap synology is
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Most likely there won’t be a 925+ and 725+, but a 926+, 726+ and 426+ (at least, that is to be expected based on the timelines of the last two iterations). From those the only NAS to look forward to surprisingly enough is the 426+ as it will most likely contain a new Intel CPU (n100 or similar) well suited for Plex users.
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If Synology gets rid of Audio Station/Video Station, I’m not upgrading my NAS to a new one anymore and see no reasons to buy their products. I bought the convenience of not having to do this myself, but I can perfectly assemble a box with better hardware performance for streaming, time is money and if Syno stops offering me that, I will put my money and time elsewhere.
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Wonder if there will ever be a replacement for the DS620slim…
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I am so tired of everything turning into a subscription, that’s the whole reason why I got a NAS. If Synology moves to this model I’ll have to look for alternatives
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When I started looking into a NAS, I got the impression that Syno0logy was the devil so since then I have never considered them.
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DS925+ with Intel N100 and 2.5 Gbit-LAN. This would be a HIT.
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Want to see more offerings for multi-bay NVMe AND multi-bay SATA SSD NAS Devices with Intel CPUs that support QuickSync (iGPU transcoding).
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I had the same concert about Ai and the CPU of 1821+ but, sure if I want to have those kind of services I probably will want it to a dedicated machine more than in a NAS. Super happy to have finally had find a good deal few weeks ago of the 1821+ fully fledge.
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I want 2.5Gbit to be the baseline. Seems so basic these days. I love the UI on my DS918 (4x 10TB) but prefer the speed of my Asustor FS6706T (6x 4TB).
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I mean yeah we dont need much but 4k video streaming would be great. I have ton of 4k footage and would love to have it all in my nas easily accesible and efficient working from any device. The only reason why i am still not buying nas at all
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Hello, I still have and am running a DS119j, I got it for $75(US) and it is fine. I wish I could have added a external USB adapter ethernet adapter to make it fast but it does not work. I decided to buy a PI 5 4GB model and I am running my NAS off of that. I have the following parts:
PI 5 4GB with 64GB Grub installed on it
the system runs from a Keoxia 256GB NVME drive
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5: The HatBRICK! Commander
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5 with the HatDrive! BM1L (BOT)
uPCIty Lite for Raspberry Pi 5
2 of the longest PINEBOARD cables they make(NVME connected to PCIE2, PCIty Lite connected to port1)
LSI 6Gbps SAS HBA 9211-8I (IT mode)
4 times 2 TB SATA drives (7200 RPM server drives from ~2012/13(drives are all server class)
Drives are running in a ZFP Pool and shares in Samba
OS – latest Ubuntu server for PI5
performance is 930ish~ up and down right at a GB
I am on a unifi network in my home office. 10GB from my PC and 1GB from PINENAS & 100MB from my Synology. Both work great for my needs and I can even stream from the PINENAS with no issue.
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Make more thing verified and certificated ????
Ans time to charge 30% for 5% quicker ,newer hardware
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Unless CPU/Memory has a direct impact on file transfer performance then they are not worth fretting about apart from the CPU somehow limiting the support lifespan of the product. The only thing a NAS should be doing is serving files. All other tasks should be handled by dedicated hardware external to the NAS.
2.5 gigabit needs to be eradicated. 10 gigabit or greater is what is needed either via a built in solution or via PCIe expansion slot(s).
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RS1225+ ASAP
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Hey Synology, how about expanding support of NVME storage pools to the DS920+ .
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I sent an inquiry to them 3 weeks ago and they said no announcements.
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where muh RS1224+ at?! reeeeeeee
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Hello, loving the Hoodie! Where can I get them? Do you have a shop? I was not able to find one looking on your website. Please help. Thanks.
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I will not upgrade unless: Hardware transcoding, 2,5g NIC, no stupid alarms for not using Synology’s overpriced harddrives.
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Finally a better sound quality on your videos.
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If they come out with the same CPU with all the competition hitting the market I’ll be out for good.
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At long last . . . some good news from Synology
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Still waiting in Q3 2024…even considered settling for the RS1221+ but I can’t justify that cost for the age of the hardware.
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In other words, not much of an upgrade at all, most likely.
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Consumer Synology is like Disney Star Wars – you expect them to sink low, but they subvert your expectations, and not in a good way
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Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????5️⃣⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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As long as they do not screw the pooch and insist on Synology drives.
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Thks a lot buts where’s Eddie?
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I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:
I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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Good analysis, agree with your assumptions, only way the DS1825+ would get better spec than you speculate is if they replaced the xs+ model at the same time.
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Looks like the same CPUs without good graphics and codecs so useless for Plex
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We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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if they made it with the epyc 4004 cpus with DDR5 + 2.5 GBe everyone will jump on it
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Interesting in comparison 1823xs vs 1825…
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The timeline here in the 18xx series really highlights how Synology have little appetite or interest to play in the consumer space anymore at the larger scale.
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Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.
How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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at 4:13 Love those “Copper Netowrk Ports”
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Let me guess – 1GbE?
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Do you think they will need to have a better CPU to compete with new products like the ugreen lineup?
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If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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If this thing is still coming with 1GB ports its as dead as fried chicken IMO.
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F synology.
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If there’s no new CPU, I won’t be upgrading. To be fair, if they don’t put a GPU in it, I probably won’t be upgrading anyway.
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Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.
Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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I just want a low power cpu that doesn’t use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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Proprietary drives again?
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Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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I hope Synology can add switch authentication, which is safer. It would be perfect if the switch other than Synology’s pop-up warning
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The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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We need an Intel CPU with Quick Sync for hardware transcoding of 1080p and 4K content on Plex, etc.
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If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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Don’t break my heart like that, Robbie!! I hope it has a better CPU!
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We can all have a good laugh when it turns up with gigabit Ethernet, eSATA, and 4GB of RAM. Synology doesn’t care what its customers want, at all.
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Why upgrade to 2.5? The can F their customers at least a couple of years more
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I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and it’s not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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Synology is gonna be Synology, I’d say 4* 1GbE ports with 1 proprietary 10GbE upgrade.
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I can see you’ve already made space for it given the background
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I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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Good News Synology fan!!! Syngology is no longer using 12yr old CPUs, they are modernising….
….with 10yr old CPUs
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If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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Syno User from Day One – this brand only stands out from Software side. The Hardware is soo boring. I wish they had the Hardware Mindset of QNAP.
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From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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My 1817 has 2x10GBit/s.
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If i cant put whatever harddrive i want in it without issues, synology will need to reconsider themselves in the consumer market.
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Don’t mean to change the subject. Why in the US have all the Synology cameras been out of stock for months? No one is talking about this issue.
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9:02 so they’ll stick Ryzen 1600 like on 923+/1522+ and proprietary 10Gbe mini slot like on 923+/1522+, simple as that 😀
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Thks,
Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.
If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.
What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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I thought the DS1823xs+ was weak with the throttling NVMe. I was hoping the DS1825+ would be better. What a potential letdown.
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this sounds terrible, UGREEN is gonna wipe the floor with them if they get their software right, hardware wise theyre the better option
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If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????
I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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Does it support SHR?
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i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?
NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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Who else here is waiting for a DS925+ or DS425+, with a decent current CPU, a GPU and a >=32GB memory limit?
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At last, I will be able to replace my trusted 1812+. Hope Shr will be present.
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This video cam out JUST in time.
So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
1 × 10 gb port
Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for what’s essentially some plastic, an embedded ryzen from 6 years ago and a couple gigs of ECC sodimms feels like *such* a ripoff.
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I just came for the Seagulls… By the way thank you – Still looking to upgrade my DS918+.
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In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.
Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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If they want a real winner 1 10Gbe, 1 2.5Gbe and 1-2 1 Gbe ports.
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Can we take a moment to say how good looking your background is?
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If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).
Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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Would it be possible to stick 4 NVMe bays on the bottom of the 1625+/1825+?
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Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.
P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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new background for you?? its way better than clutter.
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8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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New look ????
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Damn it, my DS1821+ just arrived!
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I am here for the seagulls
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Love the new studio look! Thank God Synology – about time the 1821 got a refresh.
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Wonderfull, thanks a lot man !!
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Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?
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The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We’ve had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!
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Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge
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Any update with Synology AI?
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sorry, not interested
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This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.
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This was great! More please!
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I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox.
Large enterprises – will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.
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I’m pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don’t have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they’re falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products.
Secondly, I agree with Rob’s summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them.
Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.
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Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.
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Yes it is going that way.
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What you showed in your trip to cimputex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy YouTuber family man with a disk station.
When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step.
I love my disk station and Synology OS but…. Well…. The writing is on the wall.
Seeing all my favorite YouTubers on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.
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I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems ….
Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching?
Primary use, media / Plex
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Synology have already abandoned SOHO/SMB users …..The DS+ series is ancient, they are trying to force their stupid overpriced HDD’s on people and they are relying way too much on DSM to keep their customers but are not getting new customers at the same rate. And as to their foolish enterprise foray they are only a small company that has no hope competing with Dell in the enterprise storage market because they have essentially zero existing relationships with enterprise customers. This video looked to me like 4 guys fence sitting and avoiding saying the obvious because they don’t want to offend Synology …Synology is going downhill chasing a enterprise fantasy that will never happen and is already failing to keep its DSM user base updated with devices that are on a par with competitors. I suspect the winners here are going to be Qnap and Asustor ….
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Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.
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I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I’d like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It’s nice to have, but it ends there.
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They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near “enterprise”.
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That bird tho…
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Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you’ll do a regular gang conversation.
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I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved.
I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs.
I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.
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Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD for which Synology even doesn’t have any comparable product in their line.
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What do you guys think: are the 224+, 423+, 723+, 923+, 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ the last home/small business Synology NAS’es permanently?
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Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher.
If they don’t land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.
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I’m no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast’s roam, the number of “competitors” in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits.
Let’s not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology’s hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors.
DSM is great when you’re not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined.
It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won’t be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast.
If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.
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Come on, was synology ever true enterprise?
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Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don’t overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don’t have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it’s much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example… instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.
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God tier crossover✨
Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast’s Syno’s if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over…would we be screwed?
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All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE.
Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!
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All of my favourite guys in one place.
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20 Petabytes, sounds like an ideal solution for my Plex needs. ???? Does it come with integrated graphics, though? ????
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Good morning when would come the new 924+, is it expected in 2024 or 2025?
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We have several 12-bay racks units for O365 backups. Synology gimps themselves with “enterprise” business decisions soft-locking units to their disks which in enterprise terms is a common practise. However even filling up half a 12-bay with high capacity HDDs you hit a brick wall by not having bigger NVME drives for metadata and caching. These drives are at best prosumer quality with sub-par write endurance for the price. We had to swap the SSDs to higher capacity Samsung drives with real enterprise performance and use the db unlock script to get rid of the alarms.
The DP segment makes sense but the hardware has to catch up to be a credible option.
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qnap been the front runner for a couple years now for my nas. I don’t see that changing soon. I’m a regular consumer maybe prosumer, and I’m not synology’s target customer I don’t think.
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Looking more and more like Apple with it’s lighting cables. Why can’t I use my own hard drives Synology?
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I had problem about my synology nas
And Steve Baker
Technical Support Engineer write me about my problem that
We are sorry to hear that your DS218 has to be reset. This is likely caused by an issue in the DSM operating-system.
We understand that you are worried about losing your data. Please rest assured, your data should not be affected by the reset as the OS and data are stored in separate partitions on the drives. When re-installing the OS, the system should normally not touch the data-partitions of your drives.
I beleived and i did what he said now all my data erased omg i shocked after sir Steve Baker dissepeared i am alone there is nothing in my hands
Synology is regret bad nas choose qnap there isnt good support for problemss !!!
There is no good service and support becarefullll!!!
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Ok, time to look around for another brand.
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Xpenology users are happier as ever
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Can I have a P please Bob?
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You are back already …. Should have waited 2 mins ????
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I’m sure Synology is aware of people waiting for updates of the 15xx, 16xx and 18xx models. Why not give them any insight about their plans or even a heads up on when new models can be exepected without further details. I can only think of one reason, but I really hope I’m wrong.
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3:49: Either its a typo (which should have been fixed) or we now have “RIAD”?
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Who cares about enterprise level stuff …. they are ignoring their core products and user base at a time when competition is getting fiercer. The only they have going for themselves is DSM ….
All this for nothing because they won’t be able to effectively compete in the enterprise space because that business is all about relationships with customers and on a enterprise level …well they don’t have any.
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Can they connect to Home Assistant or Frigate? Is the protocol open? That more important information for me, do I need a Synology NAS to use them? If it does, then I’m staying with Frigate and TrueNAS 😉
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Synology to SOHO users: “you didn’t like our underpowered overpriced hw, our vendor-lock aspirations, our substandard client software? Well f u, we don’t need you, have a nice day!”
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So… They’re targeting businesses who don’t want to pay for IT expertise, with expensive rack mount hardware.
Ok then…
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expesnive stuff not for us :=(
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Yes, need a desktop model.**
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Any legal guarantees?
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This stuff works for me to replace expensive backup solutions. DIY folk seem to miss out on getting used higher end equipment cheap
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Good thing you started working with so many other brands. The 4 comments so far pretty much sums it up how many people care about enterprise stuff on YouTube. At least another 10-15 years before enterprise decision makers are coming to YouTube for research. Mostly boomers in those positions right now and they aren’t watching YouTube to buy equipment for their large business.
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Might be an interest for some business users, but in my experiences, such customer might want more flexibility and customisation then this solution can perhaps offer.
And, again in my experiences, such customer do know their stuff, they don’t need Synology to take away or circumvent those expertises.
I do expect a few challenges; What when one of those platforms changes, major changes are made, this product likely will need an update/chance? (too)
What about malware, where the initial backup is clean and you are backing-up an infected source? Any measures taken to check upon the source not being infected?
Protection is not (only) backing-up IMHO.
I get the impression they have put on a business-sauce onto an existing solution. And which perhaps might appeal to some customers.
Making products (and services) that only serve niche customers is nowadays a risky choice. I think.
Let’s see if this still exists in 3 ~ 4 years time.
I wonder what Synology is thinking about, what their aim is.
To simplify things?
To me it looks like that Synology is aiming for enterprise (full swing), and hopefully such pants are not too big for them. (and keep the braces handy, just in case)
I look forward to more in-depth information. But with my 20+ years and PT’s of data, the amount of backups I have lost can be counted on a few fingers of a hand…
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Synology appears to be forsaking the bread and butter users, the masses that made Synology what they are. In stead, they are courting the Enterprise market now, seeking the massive profits that come with that market sector.
Synology need to be careful here. The optics of losing interest in the home/prosumer/SMB market will come back to bite them if users feel abandoned and ignored.
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Data Protection!
Muahahahahaha hahahahahahaha! We’ll see how long until that “data protection” security is broken and / or circumvented.
Just another thing to sell to businesses.
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*Update* – Since I recorded and edited this video (both times!) a little more information has arisen about ActiveProtect and the DP series (regarding ActiveBackup, Pricing, and Scope). There will be a follow-up video on this one next week and it will be a very special video! In the meantime, you can watch the full summary video on the Synology 2024 event I made yesterday here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_gtEGRDJY
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In my business we have a RS1221+ and that’s enough to handle the backups and a couple of dockers images we don’t want to deploy in our on site kubernetes cluster. I am looking at upgrading it, though, and I’m looking at the RS2821+ as a good place to go. But it’s just too old now. And it’s the same for the RS4021xs+ which would also be an option. It bugs me that they don’t have any upgrades for what used to be their core business but seem completely focused on new areas – this is generally not a good sign for a business, whether it is for them or not remains to be seen. Sure, a new RS2824+ (and all the other models that should be updated) isn’t very sexy, but it is overdue – not doing it is a sad statement in itself.
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Can you please clean your phone/camera lenses before filming. Every time you take your phone out to record someting, wipe the lens on your trousers/sleeve. 95% of this video looks like it’s filmed with an inch of Vaseline on the lens!
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I’ve been watching this channel for months debating on a DIY build or just getting a Synology, but was waiting to see some new models, dunno how much longer I’ll wait for them to release a new 4 or 5 bay, was really hoping my first NAS would be running DSM
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Who’s designing these? Look like A/C units from the 50s…
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Seems very weak. They need to shape up.
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I think these are rebadged, the storage would be Seagate, and the switch will be rebadged Cisco or similar. Even the HPE MSA and Dell ME4 are Seagate-based, HPE and others modify the storage management software, features and brand it their own. I’m concerned that Synology constantly falls behind on hardware, with poor excuses for the lack of 2.5gb, 5gb as standard, and rely on improvements in software to carry them, software good, hardware poor.
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It’s nice to see that they’re finally expanding to the enterprise space. Hopefully they do not mess up the roadmap and properly test their features before release rather than to pull the plug after the fact.
I’ve been bitten once when deploying an additional RS2818RP+ for a customer back in 2020 where the first unit supported 200TB volume (if the memory was upgraded, which we did) but the second unit didn’t because Synology silently removed support for volumes exceeding 108TB in their DSM updates without any notifications.
They didn’t indicate this change in any release notes or changelogs and we only found out when we had tried to deploy the 2nd unit 6 months later.
Their support email response literally just amounted to “Welp… We removed the support for larger volumes because there may be some performance issues; good luck” – thankfully, we could still manually create and format the volume via SSH.
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I’m interested in picking up the ds 1821+ and upgrading to 10 gb port and renewed 22 tb seagate ironwolf hhd and using the ssd for cache. It’ll be primarily used as a media storage pool (mp3s and mp4s files will take up roughly 70 tb)
What would that be the best decision? This is my first Nas purchase, and I have been following your channel for a while now. I feel like you’re the best to ask as a professional who’s unbiased.
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I’m sorry Synology is about to find out what real competition is like…. the fact they think they can go toe to toe with enterprise level vendors is showing me they are utterly delusional. Looks like they dumped on their user base to go in other uncharted directions …. Hello Asustor
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I was really hopping for nvme for home
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I’m happy to see more cameras. I’m slowly migrating most of my camera fleet (no more Chinese cameras) to Synology. I’m disappointed that they don’t have a PTZ yet. I’ve been very pleased with the image quality and AI features of their cameras. I recently had to replace a dead 4 bay, and got a DS1821+ . I had been waiting for the next 8 bay DS+ to come out, but fate didn’t let me. They still haven’t replaced it yet. So, I don’t feel so bad.
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The trouble dear Mr Synology (or QNAP for example) is that the established Large enterprise storage vendors have decades of experience in their market segment and have done the things you are just providing now, for ever. So why would I choose you? I think you should stick to home user, soho/ super techy user and small business.
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My next NAS upgrade will be a UGREEN ????
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UGH! I need a proper DROBO replacement. A DAS that’s USB 3.2Gen 2 or Thunderbolt 3 or 4 speeds and able to swap out drives as you needed to increase the storage pool. If there is a solution out there I have missed it! Love the coverage, Thanks!
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How to kill your product in 2024 slap a subscription on top. I buy equipment annually for roughly 450k and I’m fed up with all subscriptions. I want to own my own infrastructure.
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It was a good decision to buy the Ugreen Nas. Unfortunately there is nothing new from Synology for private users
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O well, time to drop synology for home, im due for drive upgrades so will take the opportunity to build my own nas, time to work, been checking the videos here, many excellent suggestions
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offloading AI to third-party isn’t really a problem, I can easily run LLM locally on a PC/server, definitely more secure/private solution than going some (paid) online service, and easier to scale out than proprietary in-the-box solution
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Still feel like something is going to drop this year for 5-8 bay desktop units, notice the 1522+ and 1821+ aren’t in stock on amazon (as if there is a pause before the new models come into play)
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I had a feeling new cameras were coming considering how low stock the initial ones were.
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Their current business practices means they are a no buy decision.
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Synology is not for consumers any more.
I could kick myself for changing from QNAP to Synology.
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I already get my ‘active protect’ from my Firewalla with no subscription fee! ????
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Long live the 1821+ ????
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Why does the computex void look like you are laid on the bathroom floor ????
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Synology can’t talk about their prosumer products because it’s a very competitive market. The new intel and amd product line will have a hard impact on what’s to come. There are more than enough enterprise and consumers out there that Synology won’t want to lose. They have to be quiet until release date. It’s just smart business tbh.
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6:08 man that was scary
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those fuckers synology took our money and said thank you all to support us and now drop us like we are no more good for them ! thank you synology !
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Can you use locally hosted LLMs for the AI? The whole idea to have a Synology is to have my data private.
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Thanks for the video, but disappointing as prosumer. Was hoping for a DS1825+, but if doesn’t come soon will look at other options. Nice to see a 4K camera but prefer turrets.
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I was hoping for a refresh on the 8 bay 1821+. Maybe they still will. I also understand the big money is in mid to large corporate solutions so maybe they just focused on that and will still do a refresh for us small prosumers.
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ds1525+ ???
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To me, all this tech is a bet on a high AI invested world and user dependence on corporate Enterprise services.
CCTV and insanely high end massive server stacks.
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If we were hoping to see DS1825+ and Synology walks away from us, what do you recommend? Home built?
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So business-friendly that I’m still waiting for Active Backup for Business to support Debian 12 that was released a year ago. Being so far behind the notoriously slow Debian release cycle takes some serious neglect…..
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I guess they are okay with the likes of ugreen taking over the home and small business market with their lack of offerings for that area and lack of competitive price/performance.
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The bullet cam has optical zoom and license plate detection
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did it feel like there was a gap in the exhibition where small business NAS solutions could have been presented? I could imagine that Synology is rethinking their upcomming devices on the hardware side due to the emerging competition.
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1:14: Is that a Synology branded switch above the GS6200 label?
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Nothing for home users ????
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I was hoping to see a RAID SSD Beestation or similar….
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Was waiting for this!!
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So, in short, no (hardware) refresh for the consumer nor promuser nor SMB from Synology. (for the moment?)
And they are aiming for enterprise more & more, so it seems. Plus (optional) subscriptions.
(to me a personal a rabbit-hole I try to avoid, but inevitable nowadays, where you own nothing)
I am an enterprise user but to date I really have not seen appealing arguments that would make me re-consider Synology, sorry!
I will watch their stream(s) to find out more details.
But I guess no golden nuggets from Synology.
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No new small business nases?????
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I am on the waitlist for the RS1224+ or RP+, however if nothing is happening or they upgrade to atleast 4×25 Gbe or at least one 10gbe, and a decent processor, i’ll move on to Qnap of something in that leauge. I operate a RS1221+ where I work and it rung fine but synology needs to wake up, or just keep sleeping for the next decade….
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Frankly, at this point I am no longer interested in a Synology NAS unless it comes with a bare minimum of 2.5Gbe Network connection in it’s base configuration for Systems witht 4-6 bays and 10Gbe for 8+ bays.
1Gbe is suitable for 2 bay systems at best but that speed is unacceptable for prosumers and small businesses and it has been for almost a decade by now. Today you get LTE-modems with integrated 2.5Gbe Port switches from your ISP for heavens sake.
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I’m one of those users… Ugh, if it gets delayed till 2025 that would be wild.
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Shonger lorther
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Still no news!
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do you think it could run plex well including the transcoding, `?
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I just got 2 x 1221RP+ for work as we needed it ASAP, and I knew the new one was coming, rather annoyed.
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Would love to see a review of qnap TS-855eU
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Also, will the new NAS devices (DS, RS, etc.) only support Synology drives from now on? ????
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I would much rather buy rack mount if that were possible, so this product interests me. Do I stick with the DS923+ I have just ordered, or send it back and wait for this?
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Synology come on give us some love ????
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And where is the successor to the RS1619xs+ which they still sell but REFUSE to add support for WORM. I have two of these that I can’t use WORM with.
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thanks for all the great videos. I have a question for you – I currently have a DS918+ and don’t really have an idea of the shelf life on a unit like this. Should I be looking to upgrade this thing or do you think I can hold out for a while longer? Thanks
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10Gbe standard with onboard dual NVME slots with a add-on card ability for trans-coding all video formats.
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Well, everyone is going to have a different opinion but to my mind if you need a new NAS today, buy what’s in front of you today. If you project forward to what an RS1224+ might look like my own thoughts would go like this…
a) faster processor but seeing as my 1221+ usage is typically at less than 2% what does it matter? Maybe it’s a little cooler/energy efficient – no foreseeable gain b) Maybe 10GbE but I need 2 of them for LCAP. Looking at the DS1823xs+ with 1 x 10GbE I doubt 2 ports so I’d probably need to buy a card anyway – no gain c) Fan will be the same so I’ll need to swap them out for Nocutuas for the noise – no gain d) Same pre-installed memory, same warning when I don’t use Synology memory upgrades – no gain d) HDD/SSD support will probably be tightened – big loss
So while I’d buy an RS1224+ if that were the current product, I don’t particularly feel I’d be advantaged by it over an RS1221+. If they released one with 12 or 16 x 2.5″ bays instead of 8 x 3.5″ bays then I’d be all over it in a second! Though I doubt we’d ever see that.
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when it does show up it’ll probably have way behind the curve hardware like an older processor and only a single 1G ethernet port. Synology is falling way behind quickly.
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Perfect with ikea lack rack
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My DS1817+ died in November, I’ve a home make server two and the DS1817+ synced with that but I need to replace the DS1817+ (hopefully the drives are okay, I’ve dual redundancy so fingers crossed) but I’m waiting for the DS1824+ like many others I suspect. Could I use the RS1224+ instead? would it read my disks from the DS1817+? Come on Synology tell us a little about the roadmap…
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I was asking the same thing too. What I would like to see is a 1U version of a DS920/DS923 with a minimal depth list the RS422+ or RS1221+. The RS422+ only has 2GB.
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Hey man can you send me the link of Erying i9. I only found mbo over 700€ on Ali…
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Very bad marketing on Synology’s part. They should announce the roadmaps and commit to it, that is how you gain and obtain customers.
By not telling anything, you leave a lot of uncertainties and that is one thing as a manufacturer you should avoid. Full stop.
If I would take a wild guess, and would explain the conflicting information, there might be a problem with supply (chipset?) and hence why Synology might be desperate in trying to find a solution to resolve that but that is a very difficult challenge nowadays. When the final design is committed to be the production-version, changing e.g a chipset might at times mean back to square one, i.e. redesign of the initial design and all of that does take a lot of time.
But again, a wild guess on my part.
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The zero communication from synology is shit. People need to make choices and they are crapping on customers who upgrade to an older unit and a week later theyll finally release a new one. They need to get a roadmap people should demand it.
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Right I’m in desperate need of a replacement and about to go somewhere else.
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Where the hell is an Active Backup for Business client agent for Linux kernel versions above 5.15? There are lots of people asking for it, but Synology are silent.
I think Synology are slowly but surely failing in so many ways. My DS920+ will probably outlast me, but I’ll never buy another Synology product.
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And where is the DS1824+ and the DS1624+ Synology???? I’m so annoyed about this intransparency and that no official communication or roadmap exists. The customers don’t know whether to buy an old version now or to wait. Really annoying
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How to integrate this optional ai?
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I wonder what AI used in this way will mean for communication. I mean, what’s the point if you receive an informal e-mail from a friend that was written by a computer?
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AI is going crazy! Wonder when it will be integrated into finance to pick stocks or betting at the horse races?! ????
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They really need to work on the Photos app
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No thanks.
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It would be great if there was something like an AI firewall, AI antivirus and other security applications where AI would identify an attack and be able to take actions to defend the system and data, without user involvement and 24/7.
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No seagulls….???????????????? ????????????
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I like this as part of Synology Office and mail. That’s where I see AI being the most useful today. Now all they need is a neuromorphic chip or built in accelerator to push this AI to the edge and have it built into the NAS. Kind of like our spell checkers. You have one locally on your pc that works w/o a network connection in a word processor, then for a larger library it can connect to a server if a network connection is available. If “AI” doesn’t blow out like “Blockchain” and crash like Crypto (All FADS do). Then in 10 years we will see it built into our office devices. I wonder what sort of NEW security concerns this will bring about? I can see it being banned or highly restricted in government use.
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