Hi! Welcome to the NASCompares Inner Circle, Members area. This is where we will be listing extra content that won’t be found elsewhere online, as well as where you can have your say and help up shape the channel! In the coming months, we will begin adding access to the extra content that never aired, such as mistakes, videos that never ended up getting published, scheduled videos way in advance and extra chunks of the interviews we have conducted online with storage professionals, fellow YouTubers and with brands. Alongside this, we host a Zoom video on the 1t of every month that will be on the subject of your own choosing (the content polls), as well as what worked on the channel (and what didn’t) that month, alongside discussing the plans for the coming month! Let’s catch up!
(Early Access) How to Install TrueNAS on the Flashstor NAS
With the Asustor Flashstor NAS making some considerably positive waves across the consumer NAS industry, I thought it best to show you how to install the incredible TrueNAS ZFS software on this NVMe Flash-focused desktop system!
(Early Access) History on NAS on Indiegogo – Any Good?
After all the talk on the channel about Kickstarter NAS campaigns (I’m looking at you Storaxa, HypeRAID and more), I thought it time to look at Indiegogo. Not my favourite crowdfunding site by any means, but there have been some success/horror stories…
(Early Access) Every NAS Case Enclosure on AliExpress – Best/WORST
Deciding to go full ‘DIY’ and build a NAS from scratch can be pretty intimidating. It’s hard enough deciding on the CPU…the Mobo…the HDD/SSDs… But what about the case? Will a massive growing market for value/budget NAS server enclosures over on Aliexpress, I thought it fine time to go throw them…ALL of them!
(Early Access) What Happens When You Use a Gen5 SSD in a Playstation 5
Ever wondered what happens if you put a new Gen5 NVMe SSD inside the Playstation 5 (a Gen4 system)? Will it be good? Will it be bad? Will it explode? Let’s find out!
Jonsbo N2 Video (Edited Cut) Extra outtake
Early Access to the Video ‘Best Jonsbo Builds for $250 / $500 / $1000 (or Pounds, or Euros!)’
Learn More HERE – https://nascompares.com/guide/recommended-jonsbo-n2-nas-builds-for-250-500-750-and-1000/
This is a guide on building your own Jonsbo N2 NAS for less than £250, £500 or £750-1000. With many of us feeling the pinch these days due to global financial issues affecting most of our wallets, it’s unsurprising to hear that many users looking to host their own private server are increasingly drawn to going full DIY. Despite the numerous alternatives out there in the market to build your own NAS drive from scratch, one brand has really built a great reputation for itself – Jonsbo, with its range of compact but exceptionally well-built NAS cases. One particular case that has drawn praise is the Jonsbo N2 case, a 5-6 Bay SATA enclosure that is very easy to build and of quite a high-quality standard, given the price tag. However, the case is only part of building your first NAS, and many users aren’t quite sure of the best components to choose and the best power-to-price ratio they need to consider. Your device may need to be on for days, weeks, months, and years at a time, so choosing the right components on day one is going to be crucial. Today, I want to go through three distinct but impressive Jonsbo N2 builds, that can be built for less than 250, 500, and 1000 pounds. Let’s go through some great Jonsbo N2 NAS builds.
Buying/Selling USED Hard Drives and SSDs – Is the data TRULY Gone?
Afternoon gang! Just in the process of putting the finishing touches on a video coming in the next few weeks. Have you ever had piles of unneeded storage knocking around the place and decided to make a quick buck and sell them? Or perhaps tried to save a few quid and buy HDD/SSDs preowned? Well, what about the data that WAS on the drives? Is it truly gone? Can it be retrieved? And should you be concerned? We visited CEX (a popular pre-owned technology high street chain here in the UK) and bought four 2nd hand/pre-owned drives. A 4TB Surveillance drive, two external USB drives and a Samsung SATA OS Boot drive. We went through the store’s data deletion policies, then used RecoverIT (who sponsored the video, by supplying us with a software code) and deep scanned all four drives. The video is in the process of editing, but you can watch the video to get a look at the plan, the drives and the story so far.
Development Continues on the Ultimate NAS Builder Tool
Here’s a sneak peek at what we’ve got so far:
📁 Storage Essentials: Our mockup lets you visualize how easy it will be to specify storage needs in TB, the number of HDD bays, and whether redundancy is needed.
🎯 Use/Purpose Selection: Explore the possibilities with our selection of use cases, from home backup to plex, video editing to cloud syncing.
👥 User Load Options: Even in the mockup stage, you can already envision the convenience of selecting user load preferences, whether it’s 1-5, 6-10, 10-20, or even 20+.
⚡ Connection Speeds: Get a glimpse of the connection speed options we’re planning to offer, including 1GbE, 2.5GbE, 10GbE, 25GbE, 100GbE, and Thunderbolt.
🔮 Future-Proofing: The mockup showcases the future-proofing capabilities we’re aiming for, such as PCIe slots, expansion ports, NVMe ports, and drive mixing functionality.
💰 Budget Consideration: You’ll notice how we’re keeping budget in mind, with a placeholder for specifying your spending limit.
Remember, this is just a mockup, and the real magic is yet to come. We’re committed to refining and enhancing the NAS Builder experience to perfectly align with your needs. Thanks for joining us on this journey, and stay tuned for more updates!
#NASBuilder #TechMockup #ComingSoon #StayTuned
LET US KNOW WHAT’S MISSING!
Additionally, a further NAS Builder Update! Introducing the upcoming RAID Widget – customize your RAID setup based on available bays. No more storage surprises with ‘actual space’ conversion. Visualize your NAS storage too! Your feedback shaped these enhancements. Stay tuned for more! 🚀 #NASBuilder
Is it Pronounced Router or Router?
Get Your Kicks on Root(er) 66! It’s been a discussion that has been going on for as long as the channel has been running, but… Is it pronounced ‘Router’ or ‘Router’? Here is a montage of the intros to just a handful of the videos we have featured on the channel over the years that have tried to pre-empt the angry comments to let me know that I am saying it wrong, Enjoy/Hate appropriately.
NAS Security Experiment (WiP)
Just wanted to share an early preview look at a vid that me and Eddie are working on, regarding the subject of NAS security. We thought we would see what happens if we set a couple of NAS (and a router) in the most UNSAFE state possible. Ports open, passwords on default/off, admin account on, DMZ on, no auto-block AND old firmware! I am off to Edinburgh for the Fringe and Eddie is doing..well… everything! Later next week we will return to these devices to see if they have been hit by the bad old internet, whether the data is safe and ultimately (if hit) we will look at the logs to see which attack vectors were responsible! I should add, this is NOT SOMETHING you should EVER try! We are using two systems, running off a SIM/LTE router and with nothing else on the network – we are doing this VERY silly thing, as safely as we can!
Update, Completed Video HERE
(Video Still in Production)
Ask Me Anything Zoom Recording
Thank you to everyone that attended the zoom recording and for all your questions. Additionally, thanks for the feedback and ideas exchange in the final section, me and Eddie will definitely be pressuring a couple of those suggestions rapidly! You can watch the whole zoom recording below. Apologies for the picture quality, I have had to rely on the zoom cloud recording (the irony!) as my local OBS recording just couldn’t stay on top of the zoom feeds and the frame rate constantly gutter balled down to 5FPS at times. Zoom’s internal recording puts everyone’s feed on FULL-SCREEN SIZE and then swaps them out as they talk – so even if you were recording and streaming in 1080p, it compresses it down to an annoying 480p. I did not expect beyond about 5 people to actual attend (timezones, niche topic, vague remit) and was utterly, utterly overwhelmed by the numbers – so you have mine and Eddie’s sincerely humble thanks! Again, we will be running monthly closed doors vids, so you can sign up for these by heading here in the membership area.
Ask Me Anything (AMA) Zoom for Supports Plan
As we slowly close in on the 100,000 subscribers mark, I think it would be fair to say that me and Eddie did not see this coming! The main reason for this is that we cover some pretty niche stuff! In fact, we are a niche WITHIN a niche… Data storage and Networking is one of those areas of tech that is always there, but rarely thought of (until something is wrong!). So, the idea that something this nerdy could hit 100K subs is both incredible and INSANE! We know that an enormous reason that we have been able to do everything we could in recent years has been thanks to the people supporting us with donations via Ko-Fi, so, with that in mind, we are going to host a live zoom and invite anyone and everyone that has ever donated to support us. This zoom will be a combination of a couple of small things, but the main element will be an Ask Me Anything (AMA), a video where we will answer your questions. Wanna know how we make publish and article and video a day? Wanna know what exactly our average day looks like? Do I actually wear trousers under that table? Do I actually hate seagulls? Ideally, if you need technical support, we would recommend using the free advice section, forum or Discord, as this si going to be focused on the channel and subject of storage itself. So, if you are reading this, that means you have the means to access the zoom, On August 1st 2023. You can register (important, so we can let you in!) for the zoom, using the link HERE
Remember to use the box below to add your question, we will speak with a few people on the zoom and give you a shout when your question comes up (so we can talk to you directly if you like), but use the box below to fire your ‘AMA’ Question for the zoom:
Once again, NEED to register for the NASCompares AMA Zoom Video here – HERE
Plans for celebrating 100,000 Subscribers on the Channel
Returning to the (frankly, incredibly self-indulgent) subject of us approaching the 100K subs mark, we have already started work on a special video for the occasion. We decided to make a video on something that has been requested for a long time, but always ‘pushed’ back on our own to-do lists, just because stuff kept getting in the way! We are around 30% through production on this (still a couple of components still to arrive), but the introduction and first 4-5 mins or so are complete. So, as another thank you for supporting us on KoFi before now, you can watch the work in progress on this in the video below. Please leave comments at the bottom of this article (an unlisted YT video automatically has comments turned off, annoyingly) for any feedback on how it might be improved, what you would like to see in the rest of the video, etc.
Surveillance Videos, The LOVE / HATE Relationship Robbie has with it…
As so, SO many decide to go away on holiday (and some people look at the cost of a plane ticket these days and need a bit of a lie down), it wasn’t a big surprise that a lot of people used our free advice section to ask about surveillance cameras, NAS as NVRs, why we keep banging on about Synology Surveillance station being the best (though, the gap is closing!) and how to get their surveillance setup right FIRST TIME! Me and Eddie have always had something of a love/hate relationship with making any articles or videos on the subject of surveillance. HEAR ME OUT... it’s not because I don’t care about it! Just ask friend of the channel RJ, its something we like to talk about. But as YouTube is an algorithm MACHINE, it has a tricky judgement call on any video that is low view #, but high engagement!
That is almost a dictionary definition of surveillance content. I could spend 3-4 days working on a piece about a specific camera/software/NVR/solution, but it will inevitably get about 20% of the usual view numbers of any other video. This is because surveillance is NICHE as all heck, but also because most users do not regularly pursue this subject… it’s a 1 and done topic for them! Like buying a new TV… you spend a few days/weeks CRAMMING new information on the topic before you make a purchase… then buy it… and then you never return to this subject/resources again for 5+ years. Surveillance is even more oblique. Most buildings/homes will setup cameras and then…never even think about them (unless the worst happens!) for YEARS…
Now, this does not dull our passion for the subject (hell, its DATA!), but the result is a video with low ‘view’ numbers, but HIGH engagement (eg, fewer people watched, but more people watched the whole thing). Which the YouTube algorithm (urgh!) likes for that 1 piece of content, but lowers the stats across the channel and leads to damage on the channel standing inside of YouTube! If ALL our videos were this ratio, it would be ok, as it would average out. But THIS is why you see surveillance content arrive on the NASCompares YouTube arrive in ‘waves’. We are currently in the middle of one of those waves, and below is an early access link to a video on AI Surveillance coming at some point in mid/late august:
Do More with your Asustor NAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously! I know I bang the drum on this ALOT o the channel, but as much as I like the Asustor brand for it’s hardware, value, presentation and general self-awareness – the ADM platform is very much the runner-up in the world of NAS software. It is NOT bad, it is just not as advanced as the likes of Synology DSM or QNAP QTS/QuTS. Now, I have been making videos for a while now showing users how to install 3rd party OS’s on the system, in order to give the easy ‘ready-made solution’ advantages that most ‘turnkey’ NAS solutions trade on, but allowing you to use the massively evolved and community supported NAS software in the market. Till recently, Asustor was always VERY anti this position, understandably concerned with having to provide support in the event of a NAS system getting knackered because of a poorly installed non-official OS. However, they have very much softened their position o this and although to not flat-out endorse 3rd party OS’.. they DO now state that they will not let it screw up your warranty support! Good news right? So, with that in mind, I am doubling down on this subject in the next couple of months (already covered TrueNAS and UnRAID installs on an Asustor) with other OS’ to go on. Below is early access to my Proxmox (bare metal VM manager) installation, and we will be looking at OpenMediaVault and Chromium soon. If you have a suggestions for another OS (NAS or other suitable/desirable ones) that you would like us to look into for an Asustor install (or even terramaster/QNAP), let us know in the comments or in the Inner Circle communication portals!
I built my DIY NAS using an 8-bay Nas case ( 16:00 ) and mATX FUJITSU D3417-B21 GS2 + Core i5-7500T, but I’m going to replace CPU with a Xeon e3-12xx (v5 or v6 ) to use ECC memory.
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That 1U rack mount is definitely designed for networking first. A DYI router / high performance firewall, perhaps.
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the first rack mount case you showed would be a router case, not a NAS case
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The cheapest 8bay Innovision NAS08 (at 19m40) looks like it can have a CD-drive or a wee front panel with display/usb/etc on the front
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I have a 1u 1bay chassis as a router running opnsense. It doesn’t need a ton of storage so I have a couple of 128gb m.2s in raid 1 and a 1tb ssd in the bay for logging. Sure, I don’t use it as a NAS, but not everything in a rack needs dense storage
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Thks Robbie buts;
??Why not just get a 4/6/8/10bay external HDD enclosure & attach it inexpensive small/micro computer (nuc, stick, mini, etc) or maybe a fancy-pants wifi router??
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So I have an enclosed rack that is short depth(stupid idea on my part), about 375mm depth max for any case. In it my Home Assistant box is just a Intel N95 based cpu mini pc sitting on a shelf in it. I want to keep it simple, but may replace it at one point with another small, energy efficient device build. So something like that 1U may be perfect because it wont need a ton of space since I have a NAS. What I would like to find is a short depth 4-5U rack mountabe with full size ATX board capability and 4-12 drive hot swap.
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Ooh some of those 8 bays that take mATX look like a nice upgrade as an n3 alternative, when it becomes time to ditch my ITX it will have more mobo options
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Oh man, only found out about the n3 the other day, looks like ill be changing my n1 for that, there is also a low profile rtx 4060 out now, i just wish 20tb drives were cheaper ????
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If you want to run an SSD at network speeds you’ll need a 10Gbs NIC – probably a PCIE card. If you want multiple SSDs you’ll need to balance your NIC and carrier SSD card (if you’re not using sata SSDs). Probably at least two PCIEx8 slots on the motherboard or multiple x4 if you’re doing individual nvme drives. I’m not sure SATA ports are good for much beyond your video library and backups. You could RAID SATA SSDs, but I’d be concerned about that as a future-proof strategy, given how nvme seems to be the direction.
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The one-bay 1U case is for people that haven’t figured out Proxmox/TrueNAS.
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Love your renewed focus on DIY solutions as there is only so much you can talk about off-the-shelf case solutions ????????
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I like the enclosure at 18:56. I would put a passive pcie slot cover sas internal to external adapter in there and run 8 sas drives in a raidz2. Or I could get 2 anclosures. To populate a 16e sas card. Sas also allows 10 meter cables so I could put it away from my desk and ears.
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Shipping costs to the US for these AliExpress cases is awful. Just not worth it (for me) to buy them from China. I’ll have to stick with Amazon.
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Perfect timing. I was looking for a new case myself.
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I looked around and ended going with the antec p101 silent atx case. 8x hdd bays (more if you use the 5.25, plus 2 ssd mounts. Good ventilation and sound proofing plus full atx support for expansion
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That 13:50 looks like the one from craftcomputing which required some metal flexing
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That 13:50 looks like the one from craftcomputing which required some metal flexing
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The only thing I understood from the video is that the only manufacturer for home use is Jonsbo.And this is very unfortunate because there is room for improvement in Jonsbo.
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What’s you thoughts on the SLVERSTONE CS382, and CS380 8 bay tower cases? Im concerned with lack of ventilating for cooling. Thanks
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Man I love how you take the piss about all these products
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That 14:24 case is literally the worst type of case. You can still use 8 bay but you can’t use ATX in it. If you want to use ATX PSU, you need to remove 2/4bay HDD from that case to put it.
Here’s the video about that case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPaDCiyY3Kw&t=964s
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The first removable hard drive bays I build into my system was when I build a 486 with IDE drives. It rocked ????byes I am old and so are removable drives
I wouldn’t buy a 4 drive for 3×5,25 just get a 5 drive for the same space.
The only case I would buy is 6×2,5 and as silent as possible. PCIe slot(s) is a must.
But I would need 3… ceph cluster yay ????
You want a cheap rackmount case for your storage? Go second hand. Loads of cheap ex datacenter stuf.
Also nice.. asrock sp3 mini itx board. It has 2x10g and 6xu2. And sp3 processors are cheap..
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One thing to keep in mind when checking rackmount chassis, is depth. I have a 18U rack with about 23” depth, and really need to be careful because most chassis are larger than my rack.
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Really enjoyed this video! Recently this has become a new hobby for me – looking for new NAS cases on Ali 🙂
I own the one at 9:04. Has a full height slot which is nice, but only 80mm fan + motherboard is a nightmare to fit it. In hindsight, I think the best case in this form factor is the U-NAS NSC-410. 4 hotswap bays, 120mm fan and support for an ITX motherboard that mounts on the side (which is much easier than cramming it at the bottom), only downside is the price.
I also own a 6 bay NAS chassis sold under the brands Yufu and Auriga. It’s not the most compact, but it does support MicroATX motherboards with full height PCIe as well as a standard ATX PSU. This one was not featured in this video, but I think it is a really good case for home labs because it looks nice + easily expandable with standard components.
Cheers!
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I’ve always been of the DIY persuasion when it comes to my NAS.
I recently rebuilt my NAS using an Antec VSK4000E-U3 case and a Rosewill RSV-SATA-Cage-34. Both parts cost me just under $130 USD. Popped in a m-ATX board, Ryzen 4600G 6-core CPU, and 16GB of RAM. The case is large enough to fit an ATX board, if I wanted to. This new setup is so much nicer to service than the old Antec Nine Hundred case I was using.
Is it a bit ugly? Maybe. You decide. Video of the rebuild is on my channel.
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the most puzzling decision is having a 1U PSU even for the 8+ bay NAS. Yes it is technically a PSU and you can technically get even 1000w PSUs in that form factor but it’s far from the best and cheapest when you start going above 300w, which is what you probably need for 8 drive spinup loads
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Would you consider doing a DIY compact SSD NAS?
What I have in mind at this point:
– M.2 to 6x SATA adapters
or M.2 NGFF 4x cards + pcie 4x to multiple SATA ports
– 5.25″ to 6x 2.5″ drive trays
– an external DVD duplicator case with 2/3/4 5.25″ front bays
– a few SATA power-cable splitters and SATA data cables
– high capacity SATA SSD’s (like the Samsung QVO 8GB)
Biggest question mark still is the mobo, maybe a single board like the latest Lattepanda Sigma ?
Would love your take on this.
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You mentioned about the screen option on so many of the cases but seem to have missed the screen option on the Treasure 8 bay. You even put a picture of the black version with the screen turned off. I have been eyeing this one up for a while but pulled the trigger on the Jonsbo N3 earlier this week. Maybe once I have the Jonsbo build done I will pick one up. Granted I know the screens not an official option but when on ali …
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I’ve been looking at these this week ???? great to see your opinions
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23:49 that is not a NAS chassis it is a regular server chassis, it is perfect for an ITX router board (the one with 4 2.5gb ports, or any ITX board actually), I’m thinking getting one of those, 26:23 I got the 8 bay 500mm deep version a month ago and the quality is excellent, got that version because you can fit a regular ATX PSU and a mATX board inside (kind of, I had to flip the fan bracket and fans to fit an Asrock B450m Pro4 R2.0 ) and the length is perfect for my 9U networking rack (650mm deep, usable 550mm), shipping to Mexico was expensive (3466 Mexican pesos, around £165) but understandable, the box it came in is massive and it is very heavy, also it was delivered by FeDex so no complains there, if you want some pictures of my chassis I’ll be happy to send them
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You clearly missed the best one on aliexpress. Search acrylic 3.5 hdd, thank me later.
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Very useful because I keep having the nagging doubt that there must be something out there that could be scrapped together to do “Docker for Data Science” by day and backup by night. I am just afraid that a Celeron with 16 Gig RAM max won’t cut it for the by day Python/PostgreSQL workloads — even for a single user setup run from a laptop. I am hopeful that the NAS manufacturers will soon introduce something with a little more CPU and RAM. Otherwise I am creating a Frankenstein Apple Mini connected to a NAS perhaps via its own Ethernet or USB 3.2.
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How about looking into the Silverdtone NAS cases? I’ve been eyeing the CS380 and CS382.
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if i wanted stuff from ali express, id goto amazon.
really, i dont trust it anyway, and its damn near the same stock. when it comes to electronics
the 1/3U “server” chasis are most likely be ideal for only the server itself with a 16+ bay mounted next to it. if i had the choice, this honestly is how i want to build out. but im poor, and can only afford a boring box. the 4U is shallow, and better for homelab setups.
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i’m not particularly certain about those “ex-chia” cases, as you called them, in terms of how the drives are mounted. there’s no backplane in those things, and i don’t think there is any sort of mechanism to secure the drives, so, i think the case is gonna become a giant speaker
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Those big “Chia” machines look like clones of the 45 drives cases. Those things start at a grand.
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I just bought a Terramaster F4-423 for $350 including European VAT. With an accumulation of discount coupons and coins like you need to buy on Ali. Looks more cost effective than some of these chassis.
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The hanging drive configuration predates Chia mining by a decade or so. It’s simply the most compact storage you can create for rackmounts and when you pay for each U in a data center they pay for themselves pretty quickly. Though I’ve never heard the term Hanging drive before. These systems absolutely need to have good integration with the HBA or RAID controller used so it is easy to identify the individual drives. There’s few things worse than realizing you just pulled the wrong drive when swapping out a dead drive. So individual signaling LED for each drive is a must have.
The 1U one drive chassis is not intended as a NAS or storage server, obviously. They are usually used as application servers where they have one discrete machine for each server instead of using virtual servers. It’s old school thinking but still often used for it’s simplicity and because they are cheap. But they do eat the rack units! Some times you see them mounted two at a time in a rack with one on the front and one on the back. When doing that it’s important that the fans are blowing the right direction, which is front to back for the one in front and back to front for the one in the back. Getting a PSU with an inverted fan can be a problem.
There’s also possible to mount some of these rear wards in the rack, that is at the back it will look as if you have a long full size 1U chassis mounted. Then all fans can be mounted in the “normal” direction.
This doubles up the capacity per Unit in the rack, but can be a bit tricky to maintain.
Finally you have blade server variants where you have two to four blades in a 1U rack, each with their own dedicated 3½” drive. Again they are sometime able to be mounted in a front / back config, so up to 8 blades per 1U. But again they are not intended to act as NAS or storage servers.
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@NASCompares, any suggestion for eatx cases? I have an old dual CPU X79 kit that is ready to go, but I couldn’t find any cheap case for it
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I think the big difference with those “weird” rackmount cases, is that they prioritize short depth. They are wider than they are deep.
This could be very useful! I considered rack mount for my last build but the depth of most cases makes in impractical in my apartment. Think about the ikea “lack rack” style builds.
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Craft Computing featured the 8 bay you are looking at.
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The odd rack-mount cases are probably trying to appeal to users who need a shallow rack depth. When there is no space to go deep, you have to go high.
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AliExpress search is only slightly worse then Ebay or Amazon. Which is a damning indictment.
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Jonsbo it will be, DIY, thank you.
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I found Centaurus-NAS/AIO from aliexpress it has 8×3.5bay +4×2.5 internal bay. further can install upto normal atx and sfx psu it looks cool but expensive can you check it?
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I just bought N2 and N3, will see which one works for me better. Issue is: shipment and tax costs from Ali doubles the price seen on Ali
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I usually use google to search “site: aliexpress blah” and click on images
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craft computing did a build in the 8 bay one with the wood panel and it has a lot of flaws
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You forgot to include gas (aka petrol) and my favorite (aka favourite), aluminum. ????????????????
Edit: thanks for exporting Benny Hill.
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Can you use this method to install a Ubuntu server?
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I have a router from 2015. All the settings are factory defaults (expect for the password. Also I’ve disabled wifi since I only use the rj45 ports) but the manufacturer no longer updates it. I’m guessing I’m screwed?
My synology and windows are updated though
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4G router is behind Mobile Carrier NAT, remote access is ussually not possiblle as router IP is not public. Test the same on optical or coaxial line and you will see connection attemts, especiallly if you have open ports on Router. If you have VPN loccaly and use DDNS or static ip you will see dailly access attempts.
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I love it! This was really funny. Thanks for putting it together!
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No such thing as a rooter. It’s a router. Simple. So far the only one that you’ve said correctly as data. It is data, not dada. No clue why people say that. You’re not talking to your father.
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It’s proNUNciation, not proNOUNciation.
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Yes, it is.
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Rooter? ????
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I call the rooter when I have a plumbing issue, but call it what you want. It is interesting how people in different countries pronounce words differently.
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You are using a O2 UK SIM in a 4G router without any additional WAN. Your “public” IP (10.67…) proves that you are behind CG-NAT, therefore the devices are not reachable from internet. So this video proves nothing.
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Greetings Eddie. Hope you are well. Same greetings to you Roberto. Lets see if the QNAP survives.
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You’re all wrong, it’s pronounced ****** (my mom taught me not to swear)
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You pronounce it Star Wars prequels. I pronounce it hot garbage.
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It’s not a rooter.
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You need a T-shirt with both pronunciations on it… :):)
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Depends on where you are from. I have heard it pronounced router I have also heard it pronounced router even router and router. Any way is fine but the weirdest pronunciation was router…..that one was funny sounding. But please please PLEASE never pronounce it router, that’s just bad form.
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Lipstick on a pig gets smeared while it’s rooting around…
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Everyone knows it’s pronounced Row-utter, or rotter…
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As a new NAS user this is great! Thanks for all this I’m inexperienced so this is very helpful
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Pure class! ????
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It’s pronounced pronunciation not pronounciation. ????
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Well if I need plumbing help I call Roto-Rooter, if I need a network I get a Router. Nuf said! ????
Hey, it doesn’t matter, I understand British English. We have Acorn and BritBox in the states! ????
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We pronounce it “Rauter” in swedish. Everyone to their own. ????
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Both sides are wrong, and both are right, albeit in narrower ways than reality. It’s rOOt if the word is a noun, but rOWt if a verb. Hence : rOOt 66, but rOWter. Problem is : each side runs with just one form and generalizes it to both parts of speech. But it’s funny to see what rationalizations folks bring into the question and how they hasten to tie them to national pride. Truly one people divided by a common language…
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We here, Oz not US, tend to use “r out er” pronunciation as it routes traffic. A “Rooter” pronunciation tends imply a person engaged in a sexual act (“root” here being a euphemism for intercourse).
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My 214play auto block gets a very good workout at times.
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Or even worse – “Z” pronounced as “C”. Drives me c’raz’y 😉
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WRooter is part of your network setup, rowter is used to work with wood. Simple
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Why didn’t you test that you could access the router and nas’es from remote yourself, then you would figure out without waiting several days for nothing. With the IP-address the modem got from the cellular provider it was a guaranteed fail…
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Rauwter it is.. not rooter.
It is directing the route of the packages, so rauwter.
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British and International English rooT-er, American English RAW-ter. British and International English the way to get from one place to another is the root, and for Americans RAW-t. In British English a RAW-ter is a tool to cut slots and other shapes into wood (timber). I had this discussion with some American colleagues a few weeks ago.
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Congratulations on 100K subscribers in advance!
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Come on. You successfully tackled the name Celeron. You can do router too. Just… PRACTICE!
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Robbie, been watching you for years and years, and appreciate your work. Having said that, every time you pronounce router as “root-er” or, worse, drop the T altogether, as in “roo-er,” I want to take a sledgehammer to you (gently). What is it about the Brits dropping their T’s?!! Oh, and “I was sat there” is not proper either. Goddamn, it’s “I was sitting there.” You can’t conjugate the past tense of To Sit as sat when the helper “was” is used. It’s just not proper to the extreme! Now… Back to Synology stuff.
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Brilliant!!! ????
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LOVED THIS, Thanks for making my day.
Potato vs Spuds. LOL
We call it Kinder Eggs, You call it an “adulterated food” and thus illegal. More for us….
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Roosters!! Plural.
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In many parts of the US they tend to over pronounce vowels, I guess thats where it comes from. The Oxford english dictionary says ROO for UK and ROW for US.
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Of course, we’re right & you’re wrong 😉
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For years I pronounced the SUSE Linux distribution as ‘Suzie’ or ‘OpenSuzie’ instead of pronouncing it as ‘Suseh’ or ‘Siwss’ or whatever. However it was pronounced it was SUSE and still is. ”A Rose is a Rose etc…” I go with ”Rooter ”.
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As a Brit that’s worked for American companies I have no issue with router vs rooter in pronounciation. Nor day-ta vs dah-ta. But you know what I cannot stand though? When American’s pronounce niche as “nitch”. Wtf is up with that?
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do the internet connection have a public IP with open ports or does it use CGNAT??
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???? agreed, it’s prononced “roo-ter” same as those who think ethernet is pronounced “eth-er-net” rather than “ee-ther-net” @marzbarvlogs ????
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a rose by any other name…????
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Double likes … finally a guy who knows English.
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This made me laugh because how words are pronounced rarely is a bother to actually comment on.
But clearly you have people who do want to comment on it.
Continue to create what you create and stay awesome.
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It should be U roUter. It would be A if it was rAuter.
English is a very broken language. And there is no need to be personally offended as if you invented it yourself people.
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You’re wrong! And so are we! lol
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Black cat or white cat, if it can catch mice, it’s a good cat
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Read and Read. Potato and Potato. Tomato and Tomato. Let’s even throw in Color and Colour.
Where you put the accent is how the word is said. To me, I insta-translate and understand what was going on based on the context of the conversation. I don’t really hesitate when I hear someone pronounce something the way I don’t because I’d rather get to the meat and potatoes of what the conversation is, not complain and whine about how someone says a word.
You can argue the pronunciation of “ROOT” versus “ROUTE” defined as a path to get to a destination. Both ways of saying it mean exactly the same thing.
When you say “I want to get to the root of the problem” or “Root cause analysis”, you don’t say “I want to get to the route of the problem” or “Route cause analysis”.
You can say “I want to take that root to work today” and you can say “I want to take that route to work today”. Both are the same.
… oddly, I’m having a hard time coming up with a word to defend Routes pronunciation where it sounds normalized more so than root…
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My understanding is that the computer kit is pronounced “rooter” as it “routes” data (as in Route 66-type thing). A “rowter” is a power tool used for routing out wood on a workpiece (refer Merriam Webster “to gouge out or make a furrow in (something, such as wood or metal)”.
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It is the same with Portuguese from Portugal ???????? versus Brazil ????????. The original may sound classier, but the new is cooler! ????
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If router rhymes with “hooter” it’s an electronic device that is part of your network. If router rhymes with, ummm, “cow”-ter (?!), it’s a woodworking power tool.
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What they are called is not important. What’s important is how good they perform.
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Nice! ????
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I just love my new Roto Router
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It’s pronounced Router
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Was using a SIM card internet connection make a difference? I know from my own experience as I’ve tried various 5G home internet providers, they all had variable degrees of connectivity with the NAS… ie sometimes they just wouldn’t allow inbound connections even legit.
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Yes, I wanted to see the nas go up in flames. Yes, that says lots more about me than you. Yes, I loved this episode. Yes, I laughed till I cried. ????
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As soon as you mentioned SIM router, I though “You’re going to be behind CGNAT – nothing is going to be able to get in”. Plus there’s no point having two devices open on the same port. If you use port forwarding, it will only forward that specific port to one of them and if you use DMZ, it will be pointing everything at one device. I have a static IP, and I get attempts to login on it several times a minute.
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CGNAT/no public IP and port forwarding – what a waste of time… 🙁
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If you wanna do something like this you should make sure if you are behind CGNAT / have a public IP and mention that in your video. Without knowing that the whole test makes absolutely no sense.
If you have a public IPv4 you should be scanned constantly and you should see connection attempts.
As those are missing you are most likely behind CGNAT and because of that not reachable from the public internet.
And you can’t portforward one port to two devices – which one gets the traffic routed to?
Does your router disconnect if there is no outgoing traffic? Your logs suggest that. Some mobile routers do that, make sure that it is set to ‘always connected’.
And make sure that you can reach your devices from the public internet if you are curious what happens.
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In all honesty….im not surprised, there are many badly setup systems that have been left online for years with nothing bad happening, until something bad did happen and lessons get learned th hard way, but that why we have to educate people as there are alot of people still out there that believe it wont happen to them
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In my experience, anything that responds to traffic on port 22 gets some attention quite quickly. The fact that you see no attempts to connect to either NAS is suspicious. You should’ve tested to see if you could attempt to login to either NAS from public internet.
I think that attempting to have your router port forward 22 to 2 different internal addresses won’t work. Same would go for 80 or 443 etc. That would explain the silence.
Another possible reason is the cellular network. If your ISP uses CGNAT (Carrier-Grade NAT), then you will not have a publicly-reachable IP address on your home network.
And they might just drop inbound traffic on 22/443 as a matter of policy.
Maybe try a similar test but with a regular BT homehub or similar, and don’t try to forward the same port to 2 different devices?
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Are you sure your ISP doesn’t use a CGNAT?
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Did you consider the period of the year that you did your test in, summer vacation is also for hackers. Just saying
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🙂 .. I would delete the log entries too if it were me ..
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You should re-attempt this with Tpot CE honeypot, along with registering a domain and exposing its domain.
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NAS in flames…. lol
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooo ;
Older NASes that don’t get updates are good-to-go then 😉
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So, in other words, the only people to break into the Qnap, were Qnap themselves.
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Also, a QNAP updating itself probably isn’t a bad thing given the troubles they have had in the past..
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This is the spirit of a Youtuber LOL
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Does this work equally as well with the flashstor models?
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Mobile networks are typically NATed and / or have ports closed on the ISP side. Unless you specifically paid for a public IP with open ports, you cannot access the device from remote. This test is useless unless you did and tested that.
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For the least secure configuration, I would Google the name of the device followed by “default password” because that could be a user accidental misconfiguration and would look less like a deliberate honeypot. Also one would want a fixed external IP address with an assigned domain name and applications using their documented ports.
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As others have said, unless you have your own public IP and perhaps attached to a domain there’s probably not going to be much IP scanning from bots etc. So being behind some sort of CGNAT (which the vast majority of ordinary home connections are, let alone cell connections) that’s going to limit attack vectors by a lot. So that may be your answer.
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I like “theOdrel” suggestion to have a dns entry. (This would likely be common practice for remote access)
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This is a interesting exercise…. Very surprising you did not get hacked…. Maybe if you created traffic from the DMZ network…
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I believe your NAS weren’t “divinely touched” because you weren’t (e.g) using the remote access apps that normally would announce their presence public. Such as DDNS, cloud-services, WebDAV & such.
If you want to set-up a “honeypot” you should also name it “attractively” such as FBI Files, Hidden Repository, and get its IP into the public where often the bad people roam, dropping it “inconspicuously”.
Luring it a trade on its own…
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Often isp’s have a rudimentary firewall…. This would reduce the ability for external people to see your DMZ. I would expect you tried access from a network external to your office network world…. The other exercise might be to stick it on an outside network..
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you are going to want to redo this entire procedure, but with a hard wired coax connection, the nature of cellular internet is they are a shared pool or addresses, which in someways is more secure, but makes remote access a fair pain in the arse even with ddns.
try it, the results will be night and day.
i DO recommend the network used is someone thats about to cut off their service or you can setup a temp service and play dumb about how bad it was.
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i was waiting for “FIRE!!! FIRE!!”
takeaway, to be more secure, be the worst admin on the planet and setup nothing
could be anyone that actually gains access would be saying either “honey pot” or “this users is too stupid to hack”
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At the firewall level, you’ve got port 22 open and NAT’d to two different devices. I’m at 13:00 and not quite sure how that’d work, if it’s an automatic balance, or first come first serve and only one unit gets the attention. Typically rules like that are top to bottom, so whatever is first in the list, gets the SSH access.
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The feedback I have is that the SIM (cellular) network more than likely did a good amount of blocking and enabled the device to be hidden from the internet.
If you can test with a non-consumer IP address your results may be different.
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As of 2022 there were approximately 10 billion non-IOT devices connected to the Internet and another 15 billion IOT devices. So the chances of a hacker – or a y of them – randomly finding you in four days is probably not very high….
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A real hacker would think something so pathetically protected is a ‘Honeypot’ loaded with Trojans and used as a tracking platform.
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For Qnap, was myQNAPcloud enabled? It also would’ve been interesting to enable the firewall with no rules or only allow rules, in order to log the events.
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You deleted my comment? Was it because I said Synology QuickConnect was recently hacked and no need to open it up to the Internet. It was in the news yesterday. I didn’t make it up.
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Next time around, perhaps have some snapshots so you can demonstrate how they saved the day. I’d also like to see what happens to a backup on a USB HDD made by Hyperbackup after a hacker hits the NAS. I have Hyperbackup do a nightly BU to an always-attached, always powered on USB HDD to which only an admin account has write permission. No user is ordinarily logged in with admin permissions.
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Just wanted to make a quick point. this is a cellular router so is the ip address public facing? if it is a standard off the shelf data sim in the UK the chances are it it running CGNat which would not be public facing to the outside world. Did you check you could access it from the IP address from outside the LAN?
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The router is still using NAT, even if you put the all devices on DMZ, NAT will still apply, and spite NAT ( Network Address Translation ) is NOT a Firewall and can NOT substitute a Firewall will still block most of the traffic that was NOT initiated from the inside of that local network. The other thing that you didn’t clarify if this Router was connected to another router or if was himself directly connected to the internet, if is connected to other router then is being Fire-walled by the other router.
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no idea/money in hacking small fish these days. Hasnt been for a while
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Should have been hacked within 24hrs. Biggest danger is hacker bricking the hardware, or replacing firmware with keylogger or backdoor and removing evidence of hack.
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Investing in crypto now should be in every wise individuals list, in some months time you’ll be ecstatic with the decision you made today….????????????✨⬆️⬆️????
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this is nice lab attempt. we got exactly hacked by exposing one of our customer NAS with Quickconnect. After a week it was hacked. So our rule to NEVER EVER expose NAS to internet broken and we suffered. But our backup strategy of 4 different backups with 4 different technologies proved life-saving. Now we are prospecting Immutable backups in various S3/C2 providers and WORM is finally here and working on Syno boxes. BTW their support is HORRIBLE – 3 days just to reply to ticket with generic text like provide more details. They support is a joke.
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Registering a domain and exposing the IP in the DNS records would certainly have exposed you further since new/updated domains are constantly scanned.
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What im interessted in is to see what happens when you put a nas on the internet as exposed host, without the admin account enabled and without ssh and smb running. Will it be safe enough
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Apparently you didn’t need to do this with Synology and just turn on QuickConnect since it was hacked recently.
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I wonder, does the LCD on the device still show any info after the TrueNAS install? Or is it just sitting there doing nothing, incapable …
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Anyway to control the fans or keep things from getting too hot using unraid?
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Will this work with an FS6706T (6x NVMe)?
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Very thorough. Very clear. Very useful. Very good! Thank you!!!
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Is it possible to install unRAID on Synology? If so, on which models?
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I don’t believe unRAID is open source as the thumbnail shows.
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We should note that this is unsupported and that our support centre will be unable to assist users that modify the software on their NAS.
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Cool
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Great video. Just one note: you don’t have only Unraid pro as a choice 🙂 Unraid basic @ $59 will do everything you need. And the limitation to 6 drives shouldn’t be an issue on such a small NAS 🙂
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but my asustor has no HDMI output, what can i do?
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Great overview thanks.
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Would the as5304t be able to run this well?
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Hi, I like your videos. I did everything suggested in this video apart I have an AS5304T without nvme so I installed TrueNas on USB SSD Drive (I know it’s not recommended). Installation went fine but I can’t access web interface. I read somewhere that latest version of TrueNAS CORE 13.0-U3.1 may have an issue with 2.5GigE Realtek NIC. Do you think this is the case? Thank you for any advice. Regards
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Really interesting and thoroughly explained. I’m thinking of trying it. I have a question tough: You put a NVME disk and installed TrueNAS on it. I assume the ADM OS is on another storage that you cannot access. That is how you can revert to it if you are not satisfied with TrueNAS. Am I right?
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Has anyone achieved entering the bios on a AS6604T? I see no image until the system starts asustor portal. If I can’t accessing the bios, I’ll clearly will sell this unit.
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AS7110T has no hdmi output… just discovered this and I bought it due to your article. I’m so annoyed with this behavior from companies
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Thank you for very cool guide! Can you please test install Xpenology on ASUSTOR devices?
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My goodness you put out a large number of videos, you really are productive! You must work 40 hour days ????
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Just did a test of this on an as6704t. F2 is the key to enter the BIOS on that system. I am going full install when my drive arrive later this week.
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We seriously disapprove of this and we will be unable to provide support for NAS devices with altered software.
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