HexOS, Linus Investing in a New NAS Software and What is it? – Let’s Discuss!
==== Last Updated June 2024 =====
Dedicated HexOS article discussing what we know (and what we don’t) HERE on NASCompares
It’s been the story in the world of NAS that has been bubbling around in the background for a little over four months, that Linus (one of, if not THE, most well-known tech YouTuber in the world) of ‘Linus Tech Tips’ and ‘LMG’ declared that he was considering (and eventually proceeding with) a sizable investment in a newly developing NAS software platform. This has been hotly discussed in the usual forums and communities, with several references by Linus himself in the popular WAN Show in the months that followed. So, as I hope to be testing, reviewing, using and perhaps even recommending this future software – I wanted to follow this story as it develops and see how it pans out. Below I will be keeping track of individual references that I spot (or, more likely, keener-eyed users highlight to me in the comments here and on YouTube – hundreds of thousands of eyes are better than two, right?). I will be regularly updating this article as more information appears, but for now, here is the TL:DR:
- Linus (LTT / Linus Media Group) has invested $250,000 in a new NAS software platform in development.
- It is a comparative middle ground between ease of use turnkey NAS OS’, Powerful in capabilities and features, but a NAS Software that is suitable for DiY / Build Your Own NAS Enthusiasts.
- Designed to be User friendly (something lacking in the bulk of open-source or even paid NAS software OS’). Even easier than what unRAID and TrueNAS deliver today.
- (Confirmed) JonP (Jon Panozzo), a former UnRAID/Limetech employee is one of the developers – (https://forums.unraid.net/profile/62528-jonp/). and ‘Eric Schultz’ (long-time UnRAID/Lime Tech vet) too, but that has less supportive credence online
- This new NAS Software platform has backing from a big name(s) in NAS (confirmed to be TrueNAS Scale, as the base of the software), not just Linus’ own investment in the new company.
What follows below are references found online that either come from officially credible sources or sources with proven validity. I have included links to the sources and, in the case of YouTube, quoted the parts. If you plan on lifting part of this for your own site, I would greatly appreciate a backlink and credit. I can’t twist your arm, of course – I just have to trust you!
Latest Update – 16th June 2024 – WAN Show Reveal, New Website, HexOS Name Reveal, Dashboard, Structure
In the latest developments, Linus has officially announced the name of his investment project: HexOS. This innovative NAS software is being developed by former UnRAID employees Jon Panozzo and Eric Schultz, and it aims to provide a balance between advanced functionality and user-friendliness. HexOS is tailored to both DIY enthusiasts and users who seek an easy-to-use NAS solution without the technical complexity associated with current systems. According to Linus, the project is still in its stealth phase but is progressing steadily, with a beta release expected within the next three months.
HexOS aims to tackle common issues that plague existing NAS solutions like UnRAID and TrueNAS. Linus has emphasized the need for a simpler, more intuitive NAS system that doesn’t require extensive technical expertise to operate. Key features of HexOS will include easy NAS-to-NAS backups and a user-friendly approach to integrating applications like Plex, eliminating the hurdles that often prevent casual users from setting up their own NAS systems. The goal is to make HexOS a straightforward, powerful tool that anyone can use to manage their data efficiently.
However, several important aspects of HexOS remain unconfirmed and need to be clarified soon. These include the software’s support and pricing models, which are still up in the air. It is also unclear how much of the ZFS feature set will be automated versus user-controlled, raising questions about the balance between simplicity and customization. The handling of application permissions and the overall scalability and expandability of the system are other critical factors that need to be addressed. Users are eager to learn whether HexOS will allow for seamless integration of additional drives and hybrid RAID setups, as well as how it plans to manage data redundancy and storage recommendations.
While Linus on the WAN show discussed more information that previous coverage, the HexOS team have not provided specific details about these aspects, there is significant anticipation surrounding the software’s release = and how much of TrueNAS Scale and ZFS is being used in the background and how much do users have control of. The community is particularly interested in how HexOS will position itself in the market, with expectations high for a user-friendly yet powerful NAS solution that can cater to a diverse audience. As the project moves closer to its beta phase, users are hopeful that more information will be shared to clarify these crucial details and solidify HexOS’s place as a leading NAS software option.
Very Brief Reference to the NAS Software Status on WAN Show July 7, 2023
WAN Show July 7, 2023 – Twitter Vs. Threads Is Not The Big Story – HERE
Things have been very quiet on the development of this ex-UnRAID staff developed NAS Software, but a commenter on the WAN Show asked about it and although what we heard was not much, at least we know that development is still pressing forward and continuing in the background! (In Response to the question “Any updates on the release timeline on the nas product you are investing in?”):
“Nope. They’re very much in stealth mode right now but what I will say is after a recent collaboration with a content creator , they cannot come out of stealth mode soon enough for me, because we ran into some stupid thing in true Nas with stupid sharing permissions and the interface is obtuse and it’s like, the fact that they don’t have a ‘one-button like yeah I just want like a completely normal Nas that just has guest access in a Windows environment’ is absolutely mind-blowing to me. So I can’t wait for these guys to just have something that is not just stupid to use, that you don’t need like to be an engineer to just set up a basic NAS. I think a lot more people would just, you know, grab an old computer and chuck in some hard drives in it if it was as easy as what they’re aiming to do.”
Direct and Comparative Reference to the NAS Software Investment, Amidst the WD Cyber Incident in early 2023
WAN Show April 14th 2023 (Following discussion regarding the WD Security Incident in late March) – HERE
“This is the perfect opportunity for me to talk about that investment that I made in the new NAS company. There’s no proper solution to this yet whether it’s UnRAID, whether it’s TrueNAS, there’s a level of user knowledge expectation that I think is not reasonable for me to just take my brother-in-law and say ‘hey, take some computer, put this on it and just, copy all your stuff to it!’ It’s not reasonable. On the other side, you’ve got products like this where increasingly, by abstracting everything, even on the hardware side, away from the user you are introducing attack vectors like,what the crap right! And so the middle ground is supposed to be something like a Synology. But honestly, I find, A) the product itself kind of obtuse, and B) why am I paying like 700 for an Intel atom? Yeah with no proper expansion – it’s ridiculous! It’s the Apple model, pay way too much for the hardware! And you know what, to their credit, the software is super cool, but it’s not perfect and what the heck, I could be running this on like a forty-dollar crap box that I picked up on Facebook Marketplace, not this thing, and I could put three times as many hard drives in it.”
(regarding initial public reveal/promotions)
So they’re planning to do some kind of like pre-launch event and we’re trying to figure out sort of what that looks like because we don’t really support like Kickstarter Indiegogo type stuff. Um, but, the flip side of it is that these aren’t just strangers to me. I know these guys. I obviously believe strongly enough in it that if I put in my own money. (after being asked about the launch methodology). “So it would be a fundraiser, like a presale. What I suggested, and I don’t know what the ultimate form will look like, is some kind of lifetime subscription, but like ‘for-real-forever-trust-me-bro-you-will-always-have-whatever-our-highest-tier-is’.” (later on). “Like, I just, because, for real, it’s not that hard a thing to do! Just don’t f&@k your most dedicated supporters right (in reference to WD taking My Cloud Services offline) like, how hard is that? So, anyway, one of the things, but there is obviously some stuff to figure out, because one of the things they want to build in is cloud replication, encryption, etc and they were looking and going ‘ok, well, what if we include some base amount of cloud storage in perpetuity’ and I was like ‘that’s madness’. That doesn’t make sense, especially because I’m looking at this product storage going ‘this is the simple enthusiast NAS OS”. Cloud Storage forever? I think Google proved that that can get great headlines, but is not sustainable.Realistically, one of the big features that I am pushing to these guys is NAS-to-NAS backups, like buddy-buddy backups. I don’t want my stuff in the cloud! Like, want I don’t that!” (a little later on). “Super cool. So, from my point of view, alot of the stuff that’s really cool about this product is, and what I want to help guide towards, is not that cloud backup anyway. So if they build cool reverse proxy stuff that can handshake between those systems so you don’t need to open ports – then there’s a little bit of overhead there. But, if it’s just actual drives sitting in a data center that just has a monthly cost, I don’t think that makes sense because everything that I am involved in, I like to preach sustainability. It might not have that exponential growth that the silicon valley model requires, but what it is, is still gonna exist later because it is sustainable, instead of promising something that we can’t keep up with, right?”
Brief Mention, Regarding Linus’ Motivation Towards the Investment
WAN Show March 11th 2023 – HERE
(Following discussion of the Silicon Bank Collapse after a call on air with a team member of the NAS software investment company) “But if, like this NAS software that we, I have no idea if I am gonna get anything back from this, they just, they are creating a product that I really want to exist. It’s like a simpler, user-friendly and yet still powerful NAS solution for DiY and enthusiasts. And they’re completely in like noses-pressed-against-the-screens, full-going mode!”
Further Reference Confirming the Investment and a fraction More Information on the NAS Software Devs
WAN Show Jan 20th 2023 – HERE
“Oh, I need to talk about the new angel investment disclosure. So, I had talked recently about how there was a NAS product that I was really excited about the future of. I have a couple more things to share.” (discussing that he felt the audience supported the decision on the NAS investment, as well as content independence and trust).
“This one” (NAS investment, with comparison to previous laptop investments) “is more cut and dry just because it is a category of product that we do not cover to the same degree. So, it’s NAS software and the bottom line is that enterprise NAS solutions, they have their place but current operating systems tend to assume that the person managing and configuring the server is an I.T Expert, and not like an enthusiast whos into it. But someone who actually has some training or has done some extensive research. They can be frustrating and inaccessible to small creators, consumers, prosumers and enthusiasts. So, the goal of this project is to design an intuitive and accessible home server solution for all users. The new company has described themselves as an impressive team, I love you guys! They have a team for sure, I look forward to being impressed.”
(going into a little more detail, a little later in the WAN show)
“Fine, I’ll bite. Two long-time tech veterans who recently completed an 8-year stint at unRAID where they were responsible for modernisation of the implementation of Docker and Virtual Machines GPU Passthrough and rebranding and marketing, respectively. We are not going to get too far into the weeds, but I am officially their angel investor and I can expect some updates in the future. I’m really excited! They’re cool enough that I don’t even have a proper legal document for my shares and they already have the cheque. So, either I just got ripped super hard, or these guys are super chill and I’m right about that, and this is gonna be awesome. There really is no middle ground here, I think!
First Disclosure of the NAS Investment
First Mentioning on the WAN Show, Dec 10th 2022 – HERE
“I have to disclose another investment. I haven’t actually made it yet, but I’ve said I’m gonna do it because I think it’ll probably be fine, but I haven’t actually written a check. So if you guys are ultimately super mad about it then we can just not do that so it’s not too late. But they really needed an answer and I think it’s pretty chill. I’m not I can’t really name any names but I will try and give as much detail as I can in the interest of you guys understanding what it is about without causing any problems for the people involved so someone who worked on a network storage product that I have really enjoyed using for a long time is no longer with that company and has a plan to create a NAS software that is basically everything that I’ve been asking for about that software and everything that, he and I have agreed on for a long time, needs to be done to make DIY NAS more accessible to just average people.
So he is planning to start up and has asked me to come in as like an angel investor and basically give him a year or two of runway to get this thing off the ground. Obviously, there’s some Equity changing hands but it’s not about that for me and it’s not about that for him. He’s already got some really interesting partnerships and he’s already got some money from an established NAS software company on whose product he will be basing his on, so there’s already some momentum, and I am very supportive of his vision for it and what an easy user-friendly NAS should be.”
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The concept of deploying apps sounds like what Yacht do. Basically give a pre-defined set of diretory(s) and those directory is going to be used in various docker containers making it like, choose a app, click deploy, done…
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If LTT is involved I avoid it
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A lot of containerization? Perhaps they’re going to take inspiration from Qubes. This will be interesting to see.
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Jones Donald Brown Lisa Davis Edward
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Be careful and respectful when saying someonen’s else name… Schultz is not Schlutz!!
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LTT lied to their audience for over a decade and didn’t make changes till they were called out.
Why would you want to be associated with someone like this?
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I’m with @moto-rambler and if he’s put his money on it, I guarantee that this is a subscription model.
Linus’s mask has been removed. He’s a narcissist and all about $$
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I think this could have been a desirable product to me a year ago, but in that time I’ve learned that a free challenge is more enjoyable to me than a paid ride down easy street. Truenas for me.
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bankers Facebook ????????????
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So it’s essentially going to be a skinned trueness
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What YouTube rules prevent you from playing the WAN show?
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Fingers crossed I guess… Like most things in the world of Linux TrueNAS. FreeNAS, OMV, Unraid are a lot like putting lipstick on a pig and claiming it’s beautiful. Yes you could get intimate with a pig in makeup, but most would call that “Unnatural behaviour”.
My NAS (running in a VM) is an x86 copy of DietPi as the lightest functional Linux distro I could find, with CasaOS on top – great? No… but most importantly relatively free of the sub-surface ugliness and an idiotic lack of sensible defaults that is ‘normal’ Linux.
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I pray to the TrueNAS gods to bring me good luck and HexOS frontend replacements
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This is pretty much made for me, like I know a bit about NAS software and all of that but I care more about the hardware. So having something easy to set up would be great for me.
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This is something i would love myself. As is finding myself learning linux after moving away from windows, it’s a huge change and takes A LOT of time commitment to learn with such a step learning curve. As is this, if i could have a more user friendly version to springboard myself into how it works, and apply the application, I can tinker with a working product, rather than tinker for days if not weeks on a product that isn’t fully working, or breaks. Especially more so i’ve held off any backup software as when i want to back everything up, i want it done right the first time. I only have one set of hardware.
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There’s a huge question of WHO are they going to get to beta test this? If they’re targeting novices, are they going to be able to trust them to NOT store the only copies of their files on a beta version of an OS? And why would experienced users want to bother beta testing something that isn’t for them?
Especially with the reach of LTT, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of people put too much trust in a beta product and a LOT of data gets lost forever. Scary stuff.
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Lol they’re gonna charge me to use truenas.
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It sounds like it is going to be what Ubuntu is to Debian
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Yet again it’s a waste of time and money. It’s the same thing that the other ones are. Do something different for once
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Any update on this?
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Jesus, if Linus have his hand over this OS I will for sure Not invest any energy on it, leaving the video bye bye
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Wonder how long it will be updated. I mean how long term they are thinking about supporting this software. With other option they are on the market for some time now.
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The UNVR and UNVR Pro (Ubiquiti) will suggest a RAID config based on the drives you’ve installed. They ‘simplify’ it well but also provide the technical terms in the ‘finer print’ to appease both armatures and pros alike
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So the “os” is a skin for Truenas scale?
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I think it’s also important to mention HexOS isn’t even released yet and everything is solely speculation.
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So what does it do that OMV can’t?
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Backed by LTT? Let me guess, comes with a “Trust me Bro” guarantee……
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I understand about the importance of complexity especially with the NAS
My biggest disappointment with my Synology is it’s inability to differentiate between EXPLICIT and IMPLICIT permissions.
With a standard FTP server app (such as windows FTP server or Filezilla FTP server)
I can create on over arching folder schema and just give certain users access to specific subfolders
without having to give everyone access and then create a boat load of denial permissions .
Example:
Users: joe, schmo, curly, mo to give joe access to Users/joe I have to give everyone access to the entire path and deny schmo, curly, & mo to joe’s folder
Instead of just giving everyone access to the users folder and ONLY giving joe access to his folder.
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I’d love to be able to run HexOS on my Synology; I got it dirt cheap and I hate DSM.
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This looks awesome ! I am not a savvy Linux user but I want to use a nas os on a rig I’m building and I’ve looked at a few options so far and many of them simply look intimidating. This is the first one that looks easy as a non Linux enjoyer. I know people who are in this space already are hardcore Linux lovers but I’ve tried hundreds of times to give Linux a shot and I never really fully enjoy it and find it a bit out of my realm. I like a clean and super simple gui. If you make me use a cli I just end up dipping out. I’m very very dyslexic and have a hard time spelling and also remembering commands and simple codes so I suck so bad it’s not even funny with just remembering and typing in simple commands.
Is there any other options for a nas os that will be simple ? I’ll be running 2 14tb sata drives and 2 2tb nvme drives. CPU I’ll be running is a 12400f, 16gb ddr5, z690 chipset with 2.5gb lan. Main goal is network storage and backup for both me and my wife and have a way to maybe learn about some apps and if any of them can help us in anyways. All this is super overwhelming lol.
I thought about buying a synology nas but the model I want with nvme support is out of my price range and I’ve been told all other brands are too risky and get hacked all the time.
Any advice would be very much appreciated. I have watched 2 dozen or more of your videos so far trying to learn about the features and what your thoughts are on different nas units. Thanks for all you do ❤
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You lost me at loonix
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Anything LTT put his hands on i would very much not touch, even with mittens with flower embroideries
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I would love to have this as I like to tinker on things and learn the ins and outs of more complex concepts but I haven’t found a NAS or NAS OS that, as Apple puts it (I believe), “Just works!” so I need something that I can basically just set and forget and should any problems happen I can take 20 minutes to an hour or less to set up instead of a complex potentially many day process to get things working again.
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A simple backup os would be a killer for a lot of people. If you are mad and double down on truenas, this OS is not for you. OMV and TruenasCore are the only “easy” diy solutions, and even this have a learning curve. Let’s agree to disagree and be happy there is competition.
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as a noob the most crucial thing for me is the mobile apps. It is one thing to set up the Synology NAS, install Plex, download station, photo station, etc etc, but the mobile apps allowing you to do so much from your mobile are great. I’ve often been thinking that I should just build my own, but then so many of them don’t have the mobile apps you get from Synology. Or maybe they do and I just have no idea.
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That UI is equally as bad as TrueNAS. How hard is it to just look at Synology, UmbrelOS, etc. Even Terra-Master nailed it.
It’s one thing if it’s an unfunded project – but if they are a funded company with the goal of making a good UI, they failed.
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I would love to turn old windows pc that are DDR3 to DDR4 ram supported PC turn them into a nas to reduce e waste.
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Since unraid launched an abusive pay system I’ve been searching an alternative. Hope this gets traction.
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Thanks so much for this video. I’m looking at buying a new NAS to replace my 10+ years old Microserver Gen8 running DSM through Xpenology that has been dead reliable that entire time, but I was holding out until more information became available about this OS so thanks for this initial look at it.
I get what they’re trying to do with HexOS and I think a younger version of me would’ve been all over this, but I think given my experience with DSM and my need for something hands-off, I’ll probably stick with what I know. Great that there’s more competition in this field though. Especially with these Ugreen devices for example coming on the market recently, where long term reliability and support is still an unknown.
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I think the Hex OS needs to be preconfigured and provide detailed settings, give options to fix, have secure and ready to go settings, with guide in menues for advanced folder permisions, and users, configure custom secure remote access priveleges, and focus on reliability. Truenas is awkward with connecting shares with users and permisions, and lacks native secure remote access and auto backups. I mean something like Synology OS for custom hardware is an unleashed NAS software i imagine users like me would appriciate.
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Great stuff
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Can you make a quick video with NAS suggestions for newcomers? I am looking at starting a home system for file storage and some Plex, and I am wondering if it’s a good time to go to Synology, or if I should wait a little longer to see what Ugreen does.
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opened, started watching, mispronounced Schultz and beta and immediately leaving this vid.
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I am saving to deploy something big, EOY, I’m planning a hybrid thing not just SSD and HDD pools. Before I might have considered it, but I have worked it all out on trunas, been pretty happy on a smaller scale Lab. Also this is new software, built on ture nas I guess, I’m sure this will be pretty solid or whatever, but let someone else canary it.
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If this is TrueNasScale with Docker instead of Kubernetes i’m down to try.
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OMV with casa os is a good alternative. There’s also Zima os which is still in development. All are good options
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wonder how fun it will be to migrate away once it reaches dead-end development… or only later becomes a paid only addon…
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Problem is, Linus and his team are all sacks of s. How quickly people forget. I can’t imagine any scenario where they deserve our support. Novice users can use whatever’s built into their retail NAS, and advanced users can just use TrueNAS, UnRAID, Proxmox, etc. After watching their fake (monetized) apology video tour, I swore them off forever. Plus all the stuff coming to light about his commentary on ‘science’ just is not appropriate for a tech review channel.
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Tile based skin, gotcha. Pass!
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Oh man the Plex install was what really got me when I was trying to setup my own Debian based home server. As a Windows person, im trying to move everything away from Server 2019 and the damn file permissions on Linux are NUTS… Thanks for answering my question though since its been burning a hole in my brain for months. I figured it was a file permissions issue but, again, using Debian, its not that simple either. Im going with ProxMox and TrueNAS Scale for my main OS running the machines since they seem to be the best for what I need to do. It was “fun” trying to config my own setup but also a hair pulling experience. Cheers!
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I love truenas scale, the only thing i find confusing is the permissions.
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Will it check for a confirmation code that we purchased a screwdriver from LTT? Lol jk… but curious where Louis Rossmann falls on these NAS OS.
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People keep talking about ZimaOS as it’s something special but it’s just CasaOS with a new name and CasaOS started life back in sep 26 2021 progress on ZimaOS is slow.
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I’m just not convinced that there are a lot of people outside who are willing and capable to build their own NAS but than use a very restricted OS because they are not techsavy enough.
In my view they just buy a synology or qnap
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LTT is involved? Aight ima head out.
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Honestly I’ve switched to omv after years of setting stuff up. I just needed something stupid simple… Im actually also installing cosmos cloud on top of it. I have to assume this is very similar to that. I just don’t see the benefit for me atm.
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All these linux projects with the dumb “OS” tags in them. Screams amateur to me. This project is more like “True as with HexUI”
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my question is since its based off scale is it going to be useing docker for apps or K3’s cuz scale is ditching K3’s for docker
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Interesting project. I tried TrueNAS and loved everything about it, except the user management. It was just baffling to me. I ended up using OMV instead.
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It’s the same as Symantec Beestation – making NAS for the masses. Any average user who wants a simple NAS system with all of the Geeky settings hidden from sight is completely put off by channels like this !!! Listen to how you are trying to complicate and find potential issues in everything Hex is clearly trying to simplify and it hasn’t even been released yet ! Synology and others have deliberately made NAS systems a geek fest so it serves them right that they have left a gaping hole in the market for other disruptors to take advantage of.
By the way there is one negative – I can’t stand Linus.
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If LTT’s/Linus’s name is anywhere near it, I’m staying far, far away.
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Eric SHLUTZ??? I think you mean Eric Schultz mate! lol
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No mention of OMV as an alternative to truenas scale and unraid. An up-to-date comparison of the features and limitations of these might be warranted now.
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I think the problems with NAS software is it is trying to do way too much often …. if it sticks to Network attached storage it all works much better.
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You could simplify truenas with use-cases and some user-friendly autodetection.
e.g. “Is this for streaming movies for home?” vs “Is this for editing video?” That makes a difference between selecting HDD and SSD drives. Backup hosts… “How much data is being backed up?” and “how fast is the network?” might change your drive layout from performance to capacity focused. It could make suggestions, “you’ll need 3 drives of size X to migrate the data on your current array.”
For VMs, “I automatically enabled PCI pass-through in the kernel” would be nice. Then, “I did some driver detection on your PCIE devices… would you like this graphics card/NIC/blueray writer passed through to the VM?”. Maybe some network scanning… “I found a TV but no media server, would you like one?” “I found some ubiquiti network kit, would you like me to install the manager and walk you through the install?”
Or to address some of truenas scale’s deficiencies… “click here to select a user which will always be used to run this kubernetes application, even if it updates.”
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TrueNAS has already a decent UI for its backend. Maybe it is not too easy but it is not too hard either.
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Interesting. I’m gonna check this out. I’m a big fan of Unraid. My adoption hinges on docker and VM support. IMO a major strength of Unraid is its implementation of virtualization
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Some aspects of truenas are abominably awful. Potentially this may be a fantastic option. Especially if it works like gl.inet’s GUI works on top of openwrt in the router world (with the option of going into the full openwrt GUI for advanced features).
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I do want to hear more about this. Maybe it is what I need.
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An OS that needs user knowledge. That fits Linus to a T.
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I would rather have Windows 11 as a daily driver than have anything to do with LTT or the hot pile of garbage that is the user interface and permissions/user setup of Truenas.
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what kind of person will have the knowledge to build a hardware NAS but be so stupid to need a 0 level OS??? yes there are people that cant put gas in their car, but they didnt build the car to start with.
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I was looking forward to this but with truenas moving to docker compose this year I don’t feel the need to switch
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LI = wankers facebook LMAO. So true. Does anyone give a %^@#%^ about someone ‘sharing their thoughts’ on LI ??
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Now bring it beautiful compact case as Synology ds620slim
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Will the OS harrass me and gaslight me? If not, no buy.
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It’s funny how a UI can suddenly be a whole new OS? We don’t talk about Gnome OS or KDE OS when we are talking about which DE we are running. Call it HexUI or something.
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As with many things I always have to ask, “Who is this even for?”
Seriously. If we’re talking about an “accessible” and “simplified” NAS and then throwing a UI on top of something like TrueNAS, then throwing in features like VMs and containerized Apps into the mix then you’ve already lost your target audience in favor of the competition. It’s already trying trying to do too many things at once, outside of basic NAS functionality.
Then you have in the screenshots and specs of this utterly ridiculous example environment in their marketing. An AMD R7 7700X with 32GB of RAM and a friggin’ RTX 4070 ti 12GB and 10GBe NIC? WTAF?!? Exactly what “enthusiast” is running this kind of setup on a dedicated box and then looking for streamlined “simplicity” and “accessibility” in their NAS environment? If you’ve committed to that kind of setup, you’re already committed to and looking for the kind of complexity, scalability, and feature rich environment of actual TrueNAS Scale or UnRAID.
Also for that kind of money, you’re waaaay into upper tier Synology territory. The price of Ryzen and RTX alone would already bag you a 12 Bay Synology DX1215II. Trow in a chassis, mobo, the 32GB RAM and NIC and you’re most of the way into some serious storage territory too.
Again. Who is this for? Someone with the money and tech knowledge to build a dedicated custom gaming level rig, yet can’t figure out UnRAID, TrueNAS, OMV, Ubuntu Server, or a host of other similar new and old solutions (already saturating the market) over a weekend? I’m just not seeing it.
Look, I love the idea of competition, innovation, and choice, but this seems more like solution in search of an audience, rather a solution to an actual problem or gap in the market.
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Ummm … I think its Eric Shultz, not Shluts.
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can’t wait to test it
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If it’s backed by LTT, no thanks.
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If it’s backed by LTT, no thanks.
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If it’s backed by LTT, no thanks.
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If it is not Debianbased, there is no reason to take it seriously, Truenas is not worth the time and so the money…
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If it is not Debianbased, there is no reason to take it seriously, Truenas is not worth the time and so the money…
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If it is not Debianbased, there is no reason to take it seriously, Truenas is not worth the time and so the money…
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If it is not Debianbased, there is no reason to take it seriously, Truenas is not worth the time and so the money…
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Lol! Hadn’t heard W4nkers Facebook before, but it’s nice to hear I’m not alone in not liking it. ????
In my opinion it really looks like photoshopped images since the image where the ethernet jacks was shown said 10Gbit on one and 2,5Gbit on the other, but it still said 8.5 Mbit/s on both. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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As former truenas and currently Unraid user I can only say that I am not looking any further for other nas os. Unraid simply has it all with easy to set up manner
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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So HexOS is a wrapper around TrueNAS and TrueNAS is a monitoring wrapper around Netdata, which again HexOS pulls the metrics from.
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I lost all interest when I saw that HexOS is based on TrueNAS.
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I came here just to downvote, from the title alone.
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As result of this association with LTT, I have created and sent a circular to all of our associates to not purchase this product and that we will not be doing business with anyone that does not choose to comply.
I will NOT allow LTT in my companies nor associates. Ever. LTT is a terrible company for which one of high moral stance must take a stand.
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I realize funding is important and needed here, but doesn’t this being LTT-backed erode perception of a quality OS (based on LTT history)? Is this just a skin, kinda like buying a screwdriver and slapping your logo on it. I’d be very cautious about trusting critical data here until long term support is proven. Maybe viable in 2029 or so.
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When is this out?
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Honestly not a bad idea for those who want what TrueNas offers but don’t need the whole kit. I’ll stick with Truenas personally but I can see this as a viable option instead of unraid for some depending on price.
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I think the hardest part of truejas scale is just the steep beginning lvl learning curve, it plateau very quickly the that first spike is really scary. Also people really aren’t a fan of only being able to expand pool in chunks. At my work it baffled people that u couldn’t just add a drive so I had to explain to them how raid worked
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I think the hardest part of truejas scale is just the steep beginning lvl learning curve, it plateau very quickly the that first spike is really scary. Also people really aren’t a fan of only being able to expand pool in chunks. At my work it baffled people what. Could just add a drive
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So… All this time for a truenas setup wizard?
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Meeh
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Anything backed by ltt automatically makes me pause and reconsider if it’s really a good product. Since it’s been shown that ltt’s attention to detail is lacking due to deadlines that are way too short, and it would seem to leak into all their investments.
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How is calling LinkedIn “Wankers Facebook” relevant to anything? Makes you sound like a complete tosser.
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So it’s a custom GUI that hides all the advanced features and stuff that a novice user wouldn’t normally need to use and adds in some scripting and wizards to make setup easy? I dig the idea. Especially setting up the remote backup stuff. Rolling your own remote backup setup isn’t the hardest thing in the world but definitely outside the normal reach of a large percentage of the normal PC user space so automating that process could be a very popular option!
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I would potentially be the part of the target audience, but I’m happy with Unraid as a newbie user and Docker support is important for me.
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Seems like a simplified skin
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LTT backed?? Best avoid that dumpsterfire
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Most snobbish and elitist comment section I’ve seen!
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You lost me at “Linus/LTT”.
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What I want is file permissions that work properly and it simple. TrueNAS sucks for users and permissions.
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I used to like Truenas Scale until they removed docker. Unless you run it in a vm, which defeats the purpose. k3s is huge hassle for little gains for home lab. I hope HexOS doesn’t go down that path, but I have a feeling they will have to unless they are continuing development completely separate. I do like their goal though. Most OS’s are gibberish to people and don’t need to be.
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I have had many challenging experiences with ZFS (SSD) (instability/corruption/performance lower than expected). It would be beneficial to support MDADM with BTRFS on top.
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Not enough info. Also never be the beta. I will wait. Also how much will it cost? True nas is not free and licening it sounds pretty expensive. Do i have to pay for truenas then hex skin? I hope its not a subscription.
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Is the software as corrupt as LTT’s personality? I wouldn’t run it if it were the only NAS OS on the planet.
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Still look promising than ugreen nas OS ????
If it is a fancy skin/theme for truenas
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I went from WD ex2 ultra two bay to a ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 running Truenas scale so I have an SSD for OS and four H/Drive in raid 5 and all good.
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Looks like it’s just an overlay for TrueNAS that just sets specific switches for TrueNAS automatically. Basically preset templates. Until it’s on my test server, that’s all I can make of it.
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fraud
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so it sound like a skin over truenas
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As a TrueNAS Scale user, which really is not hard to learn. I really don’t see the value in a second hand version of Scale.
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Linus talked about that Backups are too hard for novice users and he wants to build a system where you can easily make backups to frieds/family outside of your network and having that secured so your friends cannot access your backups (and of course they can backup to your nas).
That would be the killer feature for me .. backups, especially external, are quite hard to plan and most don’t talk about that.
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Looks promising! Would be very welcome in this arena, I do believe.
A user-friendly “shell” that would benefit DIY and home-users would significantly help those adapting and “rolling their own”, building their homelabs.
Watchout Synology, here they come! (evil grin)
I myself would be interested (somewhat) repurposing my older (QNAP) hardware, if that is a possibility in their arena…
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Any update on this?
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Got on the phone with someone on WAN show tonight. NAS company is IX systems.
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I don’t know if this option needs to be “Truly” powerful. If the NAS allowed SMB, some form of parity, and an easy and secure way to connect to other NAS boxes that would be more than enough for the target customer and for those of us who want major power its still a great idea to run it as a VM or setup a dedicated secondary box running this just for critical data. This would be huge for those who want to self host Nextcloud and Bitwarden because it removes that fear of loosing really critical stuff due to a house fire.
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Sorry but I’m not trusting my data to something basically built in someone’s shed. Happy to sit on the higher price / low risk side of the spectrum.
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Hope this happens but its going to take way more than 250K.
TrueNAS was nice but unnecessarily complicated. Unraid is just plain jankie, found myself crossing my fingers and hoping it rebooted successfully was too much so I bit the bullet and gave into Synology
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I liked unraid for its flexability to use any kind of hardware it docker and vm software. But I like dsm for its desktop backup software, back to Google cloud, its Web based desktop usability, and remote access.
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TLDR : Proper Storage is not cheap
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I would love sone NAS software that can allow multiple controllers access a ZFS pool at the same time, like DDN Intelliflash units.
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I’ll need ECC RAM support no matter what!
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To be honest this sounds like a joke to me. Really? A complete OS system? By two or so employees? With only 250.000? Dude I’m a web developer and a simple website can take up to 6 months to develop. An OS is maybe 1000x more complicated to do so. Maybe they should invest on the hardware, something like storaxa, they can definitely do it and with less headaches for them
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250k is a second tier dev salary
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Hours before his WAN show, nice! ????
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I’d like to be able to install this on my Storaxa NAS box – if the Storaxa project is successful and assuming the success of Linus’ investment.
I”ve always liked DSM, but I’m not a fan of Synology NAS hardware, (certainly not at their pricepoints) and I have longed for a similarly usable NAS OS for the DIY market.
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Personally I do t think that middle ground is possible while the desire is to provide the fully suite of services. DNS, DHCP, LDAP, mail servers, Web servers etc etc service do need a level of knowledge as to implementing it correctly.
That said, if “middle ground” means not offering such services then there are a lot of possibilities. That is, if the only target is to give a clean solution built around DIY hardware that offers file sharing, plex and say offside backup/replication (and the like) then yeah… I hope they succeed.
But the moment you’re opening up your “devices” as something that is addressable from the wider internet the administer of that device *MUST* have a level of base k owledge beyond the “average” to be able to protect it.
Easy as DSM’s firewall is, exactly how many know how to effectively leverage and manage it??
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qnap devices are userfriendly if you dont care about getting hacked in 20 minutes 😀
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No way 250k, or even a million will be sufficient to develop a robust backend that makes front end friendly. Surely there’s other investors involved for this to be realistic. My estimates are 2mil for an alpha, another 2 mil to get beta out, maybe 3 mil toward polished version. The skills required are six-figure positions for atleast 5 seasoned developers. Those expenses don’t include possible licensing of network related IP
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I just want a Synology NAS with 4-8 bay options running SHR1-2 and a decent processor rather than the current trash (with no HD/RAM tie-ins). I’ll pay!
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LTT shared a video about their networking/server setup, they want 10Gbe everywhere with handful of 100Gbe joints,
they are moving onto Proxmox with most of the stuff, and using TrueNAS for storage,
seeing specs of upcoming ASUS Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE I guess it’s fairly clear what can we expect from close future “server” hardware, and something like 28 PCIe x4 NVMEs in one box can be one of them, so the software will have to be VERY scaleable in that regard
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Considering that Linus has lost his data, not once but twice. I don’t think I would trust his judgment here.
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Everyone wants TrueNAS capabilities with the usability of DSM.
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I’ll stick with Synology. I am paying for the peace of mind and the software features. I am glad they have Ryzen processors, 923+ is high on my list to replace the two two bay Synology NAS’s I have now. They will be the “cold storage” backups to the new NAS. Love what you do!
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I think ZFS is standard in linux word for storage. I heard that hardware raid is dead.
So question what they want to build platform on … on ZFS?
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The killer feature for QNAP/Synology is the ability to add IP cameras, there are very few alternatives to that. Many alternatives to file storage.
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Looking forward to my Storaxa arriving. In June, July, August, September, please arrive, October, Nov-PLEASE!
My wallet is empty of money, but my heart is full of hopes!
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maybe we should list what we want in the middle ground nas
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