EVERYTHING We Know About Synology NAS Hardware and Software for 2024-2025
Synology has always been the ‘Apple’ of the NAS industry, approaching the launch of their newest hardware/software releases with a sense of gravitas and importance (global launch events, hosted digital streams, etc) that is only matched by the sheer blanket of secrecy they maintain on their upcoming solutions. However, with many of their NAS systems refreshed every 2-3 years, many new NAS buyers (or those looking to upgrade) are always keen to know whether the current range of solutions that are available are the best option, or should they wait a little longer for the launch of a new and exciting follow-up? Likewise, the Synology DSM platform (arguably the jewel in the crown of Synology’s platform) sees regular updates and improvements to both the GUI itself and the range of features and services that are included in it’s wonderfully detailed ecosystem. Generally, when it comes to the software, Synology opt for minor updates almost monthly, noticeable platform/app upgrades every 4-6 months and significant widespread updates (eg DSM 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0?) every year or two. The hardware on the other hand is a different story. Around July/August every year, we see the year/naming convention shift towards the next annual period (i.e DS910+ > DS923+ > DS925+) and it is THOSE new hardware releases that most users take the most interest it. Rackmount and 6-8+ Bay SMB systems have been mostly absent in the 2023/2024 series of Diskstation and Rackstation (I’m looking at you RS1224+), so this is likely something we are going to see refreshes for in the 2nd half of 2024. So, I have made this page to allow me to aggregate all information that we (me and Eddie who run NASCompares), to keep in one place.
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LAST UPDATED, Thursday 13th Feb 25
New Synology NAS for First Half of 2025 Revealed – DS925+, DS1825XS+, DS625Slim, DS1525+, DS425+, DS225+, DS1825+, RS2825RP+, DX525 and More
After what seems like quite a while for many, we have finally got pretty large confirmation that Synology are refreshing a large number of their Desktop (and a couple of Rackmount systems) devices – as well as launching a few new storage media options. This new information arrives via ChipHell user ‘nineeast‘ in a recent forum post. I am still in the process of identifying the event that the photo below was taken from, but given the preponderance of people taking photos, it won’t be long before this spreads further. This is of course the potential that this is a hoax… but (as you will see later in the article) the chiphell post is not the only source. Nevertheless, it looks like Synology are getting set to refresh a huge number of solutions, launching their DS925+, DS425+, DS225+, DS1525+, DS1825+, DS725+, DS625slim, DS1825xs+ and RS2825RP+ between now and Summer 2025. So, let’s discuss what these refreshed devices bring and whether they deserve your data.
Credit to nineeast on Chiphell forum
Read the article on the Synology NAS 2025 Refreshes
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology 2025 NAS Hardware Refreshes
*Update* In order to better track each of the new Synology NAS revealed at this event, I have made update pages for each device below. Additionally, as mentioned in the video, I am canvassing user feedback on these new releases (ideally existing Synology NAS users and/or SIs – system integrators) for a follow up video soon. put your feedback in the comments below or in the Reddit thread HERE
- Synology DS925+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds925-nas-news/
- Synology DS1525+ NAS Leak https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1525-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS425+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS1825+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825-nas-news/
- Synology DS425+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS1825xs+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825xs-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS225+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds225-nas-revealed/
- Synolgoy DS625slim 6-Bay NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synolgoy-ds625slim-6-bay-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS725+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds725-nas-revealed/
New Synology BeeStation BST170-8T Confirmed and Revealed at CES, Pepcom
The range of solutions on offer from Synology, arguably the most popular brand in the world of Network Attached Storage (NAS), is pretty diverse. Though the brand has been rather restrained in recent years in terms of its consumer hardware, they are still one of the most well-regarded brands in terms of their user-friendly and responsive software. Last year, we saw the brand launch a new entry-level pre-populated NAS series called the BeeStation BST150-4T. This was a separate product line from their popular DSM-equipped systems in the DiskStation series, instead arriving with a much more streamlined home/consumer-level platform called BSM (Beestation Manager).
| Category | Specification |
|---|---|
| Model | Synology Beestation Plus (BST170-8T) |
| Storage | 1-bay, pre-populated with 8TB Synology HAT3310 Plus Series HDD |
| Expandable Storage | Not expandable; HDD is non-replaceable (warranty void if removed) |
| Form Factor | Compact, matte black casing; fanless design |
| Processor | Intel Celeron J4125 (Quad-Core, 2.0–2.7 GHz, x86 architecture, integrated graphics) |
| Memory | 4GB DDR4 |
| Cooling | Passive cooling (no fans, silent operation) |
| Ports | 1 x USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gb/s) + 1x USB-A 3.2 5Gb/s |
| 1 x 1GbE RJ45 Ethernet port | |
| Network Speed | 1Gbps |
| Software | Beestation Manager (BSM) |
| Features | – Multimedia conversions (HEIC/HEVC support; official extension may be required) |
| – BeeFiles and BeePhotos applications | |
| Power Consumption | (To be confirmed, but expected to be low due to fanless design and single HDD) |
| Target Audience | Entry-level users, home/consumer storage needs |
| Release Date | Expected Q1 2025 (TBC) |
| Price | Approx. $399 (ESTIMATED!) |
Read the article on the Synology BeeStation BST170-8T
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology BST170-8T
New Synology DP320 ActiveProtect Desktop NAS Review Now Live
The Synology DP320 represents a notable departure from Synology’s established NAS lineup, introducing a device tailored specifically for backup and disaster recovery under the new ActiveProtect platform. For years, Synology’s desktop NAS systems have been synonymous with versatility, powered by the robust DSM operating system that supports a wide array of applications and configurations. However, with the DP320 and its siblings in the ActiveProtect series, Synology is pivoting toward a more focused, purpose-built approach. This shift raises questions about how it fits within the company’s broader ecosystem and its implications for the future of Synology’s hardware and software offerings.
The DP320 is one of several new additions to Synology’s ActiveProtect lineup, joining models like the DP340 and DP7400. Unlike traditional Synology NAS devices, the DP320 is not powered by DSM and does not aim to be a multi-purpose solution. Instead, it is built solely for use with Synology’s ActiveProtect Manager, a specialized platform designed to centralize and simplify data protection. This streamlined focus makes the DP320 a dedicated backup appliance rather than a general-purpose server, a design choice that reflects Synology’s intent to address the growing demand for robust, business-specific data protection tools. However, this specialization also raises concerns among long-time Synology users about the narrowing scope of its capabilities.
Read the article on the Synology DP320 NAS Review
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology DP320 NAS Review
New Synology BeeStation BST170 Model with Intel x86 Architecture Leaked
For those that have been a pinch concerned fo late that Synology was starting to move out of the Intel-powered home NAS market, there has seemingly been something of a flicker of good news appearing inadvertently on the official Synology Download pages. Eagle-eyed Reddit User Gummibando managed to spot that a new DSM system firmware image appeared very briefly, before it’s removal shortly after it was shared online. Namely ‘BSM_BST170-8T_65371.pat ‘ – which reveals that Synology have a new Beestation model (denoted by the BSM_BST model ID) that, upon even further digging into the official pages, revealed that alongside this new model IS, that a newly specced out Beestation model in 8TB is coming at some point in the future. So, let’s discuss these findings, what else we have learned about the BST170, and what else we can surmise from the surrounding clues! Let’s go.
Read the article on the Synology BeeStation BST170-8T NAS Leak HERE
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology BST170-8T Leak HERE
Synology Solution Exhibition LiveStream
Synology Enterprise Data Management Annual Conference. This was a live stream from Synology Taiwan, that outlined where the company is currently ‘at’ and where they plan on going.
From Synology (translated): It will bring four exciting theme agendas, please join us to discuss the four major applications – data storage and management , data and workload protection , teamproductivity , the latest application demand trends and optimal deployment of #intelligent image surveillance Strategy , you will understand how Synology can create more value for your enterprise from data management and improve operational efficiency. Below is the live stream:
These conference events will be taking place globally soon.
Synology in 2025 – Predictions, Leaks, Rumours and Releases Video
The video discusses predictions and rumours for Synology’s 2025 product lineup, focusing on anticipated hardware updates and potential shifts in the company’s strategy. Key models like the DS1825+, DS925+, and RS1625XS+/DS1625xs+ are expected to see minor upgrades, such as the addition of 2.5 GBE ports and USB Type-C, but without significant changes to their core hardware, particularly CPUs. There’s concern that these updates may not meet user expectations, especially in the absence of more powerful processing capabilities. Additionally, Synology might introduce new products like a five-bay DX525 expansion unit with USB Type-C and a larger capacity Bee Station model, potentially with RAID mirroring (though the leaked part number could easily just be the same 1-Bay with a larger base HDD). Software developments include the DSM 7.2.2 update, which could introduce the AI Admin Console (in beta) but might also lead to the depreciation of certain multimedia codecs (HEVC, ACC and VC1), pushing users towards third-party solutions like Plex. Synology’s AI integration, particularly through third-party APIs, raises privacy concerns, with a preference among users for in-house solutions.
The video also highlights the continued shift in Synology’s focus towards enterprise markets, which might impact the development and support of SMB and home user products. The Active Protect series, a license-based backup solution, is speculated to eventually replace the free Active Backup Suite down the road, reflecting a broader move towards subscription-based services. Despite growing demand and availability from competitors of all-flash desktop NAS solutions, Synology seems hesitant to invest in this area, potentially missing out on a key market opportunity. The hosts express cautious optimism about Synology’s future, noting that while the company may continue to strengthen its backup and AI-driven solutions, there’s a risk that traditional users might feel sidelined by the brand’s increasing focus on enterprise products and services.
Find out more in the video below:
A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user – as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Now, if we wanted to be cautious and ‘benefit of the doubt’ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ – but Synology does tend to float ‘test’ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Find out more in the Video and article below:
Read About it HERE in the Article
Is Synology Focusing Too Much on Enterprise?
With Synology making more and more moves towards the enterprise sector, I decided to host a panel with 3 prominent voices in the Synology social ecosystem to discuss the question “Has Synology Become TOO Enterprise?”. Alongside myself (Robbie @ NASCompares) I invited Will (AKA Spacerex), Frank (AKA Wundertech Tutorials) and Luka (AKA Blackvoid and Synoforum) to discuss, among many things, the new Synology Product line up, the GS and AP platforms, their moves in Surveillance and AI, and also whether Synology can cut it in the enterprise sector right now? It’s a long discussion, but I think you will enjoy it, as I thin kit gives a tremendous range of perspectives and logic to the Synology Enterprise moves in 2024:
The Synology GS Series Unveiled
Synology is no stranger to large-scale storage. Last year, we saw the long-developed rollout of the High Density series (premiering a 60 Bay 4U Rackmount solution) and further refreshes in the Synology RS and SA series. However, it would appear that Synology has even loftier goals, with the launch of the Synology GS series – designed to massively scale up towards XX nodes (demonstrated as GS6400 rackmount devices) that, when clustered together, can scale up to an insane 20 Petabyte groups.
We are still awaiting details on the storage capacity scaling (i.e., will they arrive in pre-designated storage configurations), but they will no doubt roll out supporting the Synology HAT5310/HAS5310 Enterprise drives up to 20TB. The GS series appears to be in a slightly modified chassis (numeric LED panel and vent fascia) but seemingly will be using similar hardware/architecture to existing EPYC-powered systems already in the Synology RS/SA portfolio. Additionally, as the scale of the GS Clusters is so large, Synology are rolling out a dedicated GS Cluster switch to coordinate the whole thing. Pricing and capacity details are still TBC!
The Synology DP Series and ActiveProtect
Synology really made some noise on this one, and frankly, I can see why. The Data Protection series is a new tier of their portfolio that exclusively focuses on backup management, fast deployment, and simplicity. Arriving in rackmount hardware form (at least at launch), these systems will NOT arrive with DSM (the operating system of the majority of Synology NAS systems) but instead a dedicated backup appliance called ActiveProtect.
It appears to consolidate the features and functions of several parts of the Synology ecosystem (in particular Active Backup) in order to create a 10-minute setup backup solution for businesses who need robust and easily configurable backup management for:
- Local PC/Mac/Linux client machines
- Synology and 3rd Party Linux Server backups
- Cloud-Based Software as a Service (SaaS) data, such as Google Workspace and Microsoft 365
- Hyper-V/VMware virtual machines
The architecture of the ActiveProtect system also features a number of impressive restoration services built in, ranging from deploying backups of your cloud source VMs to a local VM deployed on the NAS and WORM-protected backups, to simple file/folder restoration and deduplication.
That last one is extra important, as not only does a single DP system with ActiveProtect deduplicate backed-up data in its immediate network circle, but when you deploy multiple DP systems across multiple sites in your business’ physical geography (i.e., sites globally) and have a dedicated target backup for them all, it will further deduplicate the data being sent from all those other DP systems too. You can find out more about the Synology DP series and ActiveProtect in the article below:
[Click Link to ActiveProtect Article]
Synology Unveils Its AI Integration with AI Console
This is something I think most of us saw coming! The integration of AI assistant services and AI language models into the majority of platforms we use on a daily basis has been pretty much non-stop these last 12-18 months, and it comes as no surprise that Synology is now moving into this. But to their credit, they have not rushed into this. In fact, although we saw very tentative steps and early demonstrations of where they would like it to go at their Taipei event in 2023 (see video HERE), they have not rushed into this. The Synology AI Console is their integration of AI assistant tools into a number of their collaboration tools, namely Synology Mail Plus, Office, and Chat.
These tools are designed to provide services that are tailored to these applications – not just a glossy portal/GUI with ChatGPT and other LLMs behind it. Such as the ability to provide a summary of larger email chains, provide context and proofreading of documents, craft responses to communication that are tonally appropriate, and more. Additionally, they state that the AI services will be completely optional, off by default, individually enabled, and have a framework in place that prevents sensitive information from being used in AI-generated content. The extent to how this is controlled and adapted by the system owner is yet to be fully confirmed, as is the level of control that is provided to the Synology NAS owner with regard to the AI’s reference points internally.
Video from a Synology event in 2023:
They do highlight that support of existing popular AI models that include ChatGPT, Microsoft Azure AI, and Google Gemini will be available when the service is launched (in beta, I assume), but I will be interested to see how far the brand will be willing to take AI integration (especially if they are going to allow flexibility in the AI models a user can connect with) as the ability to use AI tools with storage filing services, more creative search categorization, and analysis of system logs. We will have to wait and see… DSM 8?
Synology C2 Surveillance Station and Cloud Cameras
Although Synology has quite a few different apps and services in DSM, one of the most polished and universally praised examples is Surveillance Station. All Synology NAS systems that run DSM also include the Surveillance Station applications and the ability to add multiple cameras. However, 2 years ago, when Synology rolled out C2 Surveillance (a cloud failover and dual recording platform to be used in conjunction with SS), it was only a question of time before they went the extra step and created a ‘direct to cloud’ version of their Surveillance Station platform – C2 Surveillance Station.
This is a cloud-based UI of Surveillance Station that allows users to deploy Synology C2 cameras that record directly to the C2 Cloud. Now, there is an argument that this is something that other camera brands have always offered (i.e., a camera and a cloud subscription for recordings), and many choose Synology for their surveillance/CCTV as they have an in-house surveillance system in a DSM NAS.
However, that does not apply to everyone, and there are several different deployments that could see the benefits of a Synology surveillance system, but without deploying a Synology network storage appliance, such as:
- Building sites, where the network and PoE structure of surveillance cameras are not present
- Locations with a largely exclusive wireless network
- Mobile setups that require camera security, but have a regularly changing physical location
- Users who want the user-friendly surveillance UI of Surveillance Station, but are not interested in purchasing more than the physical cameras
Needless to say, after this initial reveal, there is still the question of pricing, i.e., will the cameras require a monthly storage subscription? Do the cameras support use for local Synology NAS Surveillance deployment as an option? We will have to wait and see closer to the physical launch.
New Fisheye Camera and 8MP Bullet Camera
New Synology Flash NVMe and HDD Hybrid Rackmount (Still Early Development)
Where is the Synology RS1224+ Rackstation?
Synology is arguably one of the most popular brands in the entire private server market, and once you then factor in the large number of small and medium-sized businesses migrating away from cloud services and onto their own private NAS, who have been flocking in their droves towards Synology, you can understand why they are something of a big deal. Almost 25 years, the brand has been producing numerous desktop and rackmount NAS solutions (alongside a bunch of other side hustles like routers, storage media, business surveillance tools, and more), but in particular, their growth in the rackmount market in the last 5 to 7 years has been genuinely impressive. Which brings us to the subject of today’s article, where the hell is the Synology RS1224+ RackStation NAS? There has been an undeniable shift in the home lab and small business community away from desktop NAS devices and towards small-scale rackmount solutions, and Synology’s recent releases have certainly capitalized on this, thanks to improved smaller-scale four and eight-bay rackmount servers appearing in their product portfolio.
This combined with changes in the baseline hardware of several of their more recent releases have led to many users looking for a very specific kind of Synology rackmount! It has to be compact, it has to be powerful, it has to be scalable, and it has to be reasonably priced – currently, Synology only provides one solution that fits the bill in every regard, the 2020/2021 released RS1221+, which, despite its merits, is still a system that is almost 3 years old, leading many to question the benefits of investing in a system that is perhaps not as cutting edge as the rest of Synology’s portfolio currently stands. The answer, of course? A refresh (something Synology tends to do with their portfolio every two to three years), which would be the Synology RS1224+. Today we want to discuss everything we know, confirm this unit is coming, the expectations we have, and whether it’s worth waiting for it.
Read About it HERE in the Article
Or Watch the YouTube Video HERE
You can find out more about Synology and their plans for their 2024 series by visiting our friends over on Blackvoid HERE
Looking for Information on Synology NAS Hardware and Software Releases and Rumours for 2023? You can visit our Synology 2023 News Page HERE
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i would still consider this garbage Hardware when the price go down 30%.
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After 8 months: crickets.
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Downgrading a Synology NAS, such as the DS224+, from DSM 7.2.2 to DSM 7.2.1 is not officially supported by Synology, as their policy typically only allows forward updates. However, it is possible to perform an unofficial downgrade using a manual process. This involves resetting the system, manipulating the DSM version file, and installing the desired version. Below are the steps tailored for your DS224+ model, but please note the following:
– **Disclaimer**: This is an unofficial method, not supported by Synology. Proceed at your own risk, as it could lead to data loss, system instability, or bricking your NAS if done incorrectly. Always back up your data first.
– **Prerequisites**: You’ll need a computer with Synology Assistant installed, a terminal application (like PuTTY for Windows or Terminal for macOS), and the DSM 7.2.1 .pat file for the DS224+.
### Steps to Downgrade DSM 7.2.2 to 7.2.1 on DS224+
1. **Backup Your Data**
Before proceeding, back up all data on your DS224+ to an external drive or another device using Hyper Backup or another method. A downgrade can potentially wipe settings or data, so this step is critical.
2. **Download Required Files**
– Go to the Synology Download Center (synology.com/support/download), select “DS224+”, and locate the DSM 7.2.1 full installation file (e.g., `DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`). Avoid incremental update files.
– Also, create a “fake” .pat file: Open a text editor, type a few random characters (e.g., “test”), and save it as `fake_DS224+.pat`.
3. **Enable SSH and Telnet**
– Log in to DSM on your DS224+.
– Go to **Control Panel > Terminal & SNMP**, enable both SSH and Telnet services, and apply the changes.
4. **Reset the NAS to a Migratable State**
– Go to **Control Panel > Update & Restore > Reset**, and select “Reset system configuration” (this keeps your data but wipes settings).
– After the reset, the NAS will restart and enter a “migratable” state.
5. **Locate the NAS with Synology Assistant**
– Open Synology Assistant on your computer and scan for your DS224+. It should appear with a status of “Migratable” and a temporary DHCP IP address.
– Note the IP address displayed.
6. **Trigger an Error with the Fake .pat File**
– In Synology Assistant, right-click the DS224+ and select “Install” or “Update.”
– Choose the fake .pat file (`fake_DS224+.pat`) and start the installation. It will fail at around 4-5%, opening the Telnet port (23). This is intentional.
7. **Access the NAS via Telnet**
– Open a terminal application (e.g., PuTTY on Windows or Terminal on macOS).
– Select Telnet, enter the NAS IP address from Step 5, set the port to 23, and connect.
– Log in with username `root` and password `101-0101`.
8. **Edit the VERSION File**
– Once logged in, type the following command to edit the DSM version file:
“`
vi /etc/VERSION
“`
– Press `i` to enter insert mode, then overwrite the contents with the following (specific to DSM 7.2.1 for DS224+):
“`
majorversion=”7″
minorversion=”2″
productversion=”7.2.1″
buildphase=”GM”
buildnumber=”64570″
smallfixnumber=”0″
builddate=”2023/06/01″
buildtime=”00:00:00″
“`
– Press `Esc`, then type `:wq` and press Enter to save and exit.
9. **Install DSM 7.2.1**
– Return to Synology Assistant, locate the NAS again (it may still show as migratable), and select “Install” or “Update.”
– This time, choose the real DSM 7.2.1 .pat file (`DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`) you downloaded in Step 2.
– Proceed with the installation. The NAS will reboot once complete.
10. **Verify and Restore**
– After rebooting, log in to DSM via your browser using the NAS IP. It should now run DSM 7.2.1.
– Restore your data and settings from the backup if needed.
### Important Notes
– **Data Risk**: While this method aims to preserve data, there’s no guarantee. If the storage pool or volumes are incompatible due to changes between versions, you may need to recreate them, losing data.
– **Post-Downgrade Issues**: Some packages or settings from 7.2.2 may not work on 7.2.1 and might require reinstallation or repair via Package Center.
– **Official Alternative**: If this process fails or seems too risky, consider contacting Synology Support for guidance, though they may recommend a fresh install of 7.2.1, which wipes everything.
If you encounter errors (e.g., “file corrupt” or “cannot initialize disks”), double-check the .pat file integrity (use a checksum if available) and ensure you’re using the correct DS224+ version. Let me know if you need further assistance!
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Please don’t recommend Synology NAS anymore after they kill their customer by DSM 7.2.2.
They can steal what they deliver. And they will do the same thing in the future again and again. Don’t trust Synology.
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If they’d bothered to ask the consumers, they’d realize we want a 10GBE option and good hardware transcoding with 5 storage bays, USB-C 10BGPS expansion and a wider selection of compatible drives. But nooo let’s do the opposite.
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TBH I expect a NAS in 2025 to be capable of idling down to 1 or 2 watts of power consumption. Every 100w of draw = $166/yr. This rating is rarely talked about.
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I got 923+ like a month ago ????????????
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I am so angry right now!!! I waiting and waiting for new Synology NASes with newer hardware. But this is total bullshit from Synology!
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how are the new NAS’s with plex?
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What you came for 4:28.
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Very dissapointing. The only reason to buy a NAS from Synology is its software which is undoubtly the best software out there. Personally I’ve migrated to QNAP.
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Why would they change hardware if what u have its enough for everything? Maybe u get 2 more years for support if u buy this . But in 10 or 8 years later i am sure u buy another one meantime 🙂
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I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to upgrade my 920+. This isn’t it.
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Thanks to you but no thanks Synology.
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What watch are you wearing? it looks classic 80’s
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So the same Celeron processor where they disabled video transcoding and possibly hard drive restrictions. Bye Synology. Looks like I’m moving to Asustor.
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I gave up late last year and built my own truenas based box. Only thing i miss is synology active backup.
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Haven’t finished the video yet but hoping they have 10gbe ethernet like the ugreen nas systems
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I’m currently on a 920+. Was hoping to upgrade it this year but the fact there’s no integrated graphics will be a step back for me as I often stream Emby away from home and the transcoding is already slow enough, unless the CPU in these new boxes manages to be faster than the integrated graphics it’s a hard no from me. Maybe if they support more than 8GB of RAM I could be tempted but looks like I’m skipping another generation
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If this is accurate (and I only say if because Synology haven’t officially announced it to us yet, but those photos seem legit), that’s embarrassing. I’ve recently come to the conclusion that I really need a NAS, and because of your videos I came to the conclusion that Synology is the best choice both in general and specifically for certain parts of my use case. I was fully prepared to pull the trigger on the DS1825+, but not with that hardware. At this point, I’ll just get some more powerful solution, and just deal with the wacky software.
I was expecting they’d refresh with one of the new CPUs that has an NPU (so they can advertise it as “AI”, but it’d at least be way faster than a 2016 AMD cpu, even moreso with facial recognition in the photos app), and I would’ve really loved to see thunderbolt support (for faster temporary connections to your laptop).
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I need for Plex server, what brands should I move to? This is just disappointing
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These are refreshes, not improvements. I currently rock a DS-918+ with 32GB of ram, two 500GB Cache drives, and four 8TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro drives. This setup with the Intel Celeron J3455 has video transcoding which is important for me. Synology has only upped the network, while trimming internal functionality, again.
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shena haba’a besinologya 2026?
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No surprise. Synology has moved to enterprise customers for some years now, not catering to individuals anymore. UGreen is coming on strong and more coming for us users.
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nothing coming out for Slim? Oh I saw… 6:00 the DS625slim
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Wow, new products made from trash, eco-friendly products from Synology
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I don’t buy this product. I’m embarrassed to say it’s new.
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What a waste of an opportunity for Synology! Who, in their right mind, would upgrade from a DS923+ to a DS925+. You lose the 10GBe and get the same level of performance. If they made a leap to current edge technology with 10GBe built in, I would upgrade. Also, they should be including Thunderbolt 5 support. USBC, really? Synology needs to be bought out, reworked, and made relevant as a new technology provider. This is just silly! Time to fire the R&D department.
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Thanks for letting us all know – keep it up!! 🙂 Just bought the DS1621+ & the T1 10Gbe card. Luckily, I do not regret this.
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So they took away the 10 gb option for a built in 2.5? No thank you, Id rather and did buy the 10 gb adapter card and am pretty much future proof there albeit with extra $$ up front
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Only 1 expansion unit on the 1525+? That’s a bit of a downgrade. Why didn’t synology just put in a 10gbps usb-c controller and 2 usb-c ports, that way not a downgrade to expandability and an upgrade to connection type.
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Could you make a video about a Synology NAS + Mac mini solution as a home server? Since the performance of these synology systems seems to never increase, I thought it would be a good combo, using the Mac for all processor intensive tasks and the synology mainly for storage. I am getting annoyed with plex on my DS720+ and thought an upgrade would help, but after seeing the specs of the new gen, it does not seem worth it. There are few articles about this kind of setup online.
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I had to check if it was Aprils fools day. It’s a shame what they did. Such a missed opportunity. This is a goodby for me Synology.
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Synology has let us down again! Here are two key reasons:
1. No 10Gb networking installed
2. No integrated graphics
Why continue using outdated technology? At the very least, give consumers the option to buy truly high-end features. What do you all think? Would you pay more for top shelf?
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It is completely beyond me how people still spend their hard earned money on Synology garbage NAS’s (1GB NICs, 2/4GB RAM, deficient CPUs, lack of PCIe expansion etc). Then to make matters worst they pour salt in the wound with restrictions on which RAM & HDDs you can install unless of course you spend extra money unnecessarily for the Synology branded options. They even restrict you from using NVME drives as storage drives unless they’re Synology branded smdh.
I guess the only purpose Synology serves is to somewhat keep QNAP on their toes.
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❤ I’ve been watching you for years and I love your commitment and trustworthy viewpoint of what you know based on experience. Thank you. Love, Greg ???? And love, Synology
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I wonder if anyone from Synology reads threads like this. I would think they would expect excitement over the release of several new products. But instead it is overwhelming disappointment. At the time of this writing, there are 260 comments and I have seen only a small handful of positive thoughts sprinkled in. And even those are really just in defense of using older CPUs; I don’t see ANY that are truly excited.
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I just bought a 224+ last week. Ugh. Figures for my first step into this world and I am upgrading my house to 2.5g
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My 1019+ with 16G RAM, 2.5G adapter and HW transcoding with a lifetime Plex pass gives me no reason to upgrade. I’ve sold my surveillance station licences and deleted the app. I will not be handcuffed to Synology only HDD’s and continually see apps and functionality being removed. This is my last Synology Box
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I’m on a 918+ wanting to upgrade and this is beyond disappointing. I’m very interested in the that mini pc Nas I saw a few videos on. At least I can say the 918+ has been sold for years but, synology seems to be stuck in the apple ???? mentality. Seems they think they can sell the same thing every year and everyone continues to buy. I guess it’s definitely time to move on!
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QNAP has got my money. For a turnkey nas they are just great. Gave up on syno 2 years ago, the writing was on the wall and you cant fix stupid.
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I have a ds414play and have been considering upgrading. Based on the underwhelming hardware described in this video, why shouldn’t I just buy a Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 5? It seems you have to really really like DSM software to stay with Synology.
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My DS1817+ died in November 2023 and, thinking that a replacement for the DS1821+ was due out anytime I’ve been waiting ever since. I’m just glad that the DS1825+ is coming out and that I’ll get the full software support for 10 years (?) rather than going for a DS1821+ with 6 (?) years of support? I’m fairly certain that my DS1817+ has a motherboard that has failed and I’m just hoping that the disks are okay!!!
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Will carry on running my ProLiant 4 bay Xpenology until the next release and hope for something better.I really want to buy a Synology but not there present junk
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I think Synology’s increasingly restrictive compatibility requirements on RAM, NVMEs and HDDs are becoming a deal breaker. In particular their requirement to use synology brand RAM and NVMEs make their use prohibitively expensive – difficult to justify in price performance terms. Forcing people to use Synology branded HDDs restricts upgrade and modernisation paths. These policies are short sighted.
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My rs2821+ will be my last Synology. Using unraid now. But thanks to synology it really helped me when i was still starting.
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Honest question from a NAS beginer that I’ve been waiting for a new Synology NAS: I read all the dissapointed on the comments, and people name Ungreen and others but what about THE SOFTWARE!!! the real value of the Synology is the software, my fear of go to Ungreen is being hacked due the software.
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I was vainly hoping for a decent intel based media server NAS somewhere in the Synology line-up that would supersede my 920+ but last month I gave up and built my own set-up and switched over to TrueNAS Scale – fair to say there was a steep learning curve but now I have a much much better system for my media. I keep a 224+ for work files and that’s adequate for basic storage. Overall the Synology refresh is just a bit “meh”.
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well… ether a year or two old use model from them or building/ugreen. i knew covid would have a many year knock on affects for parts.. but show how little overall og stock there was on parts.
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What an absolute joke! Synology is clueless. The only good thing about these 2025 models is that they will make the current models cheaper! I absolutely will NOT be buying any of these new models. Seriously, 98% of these specs are the same… and the lack of PCIe and or 10GbE standard on most of the :refresh” is an insult to 2025 buyers. Complete middle finger to consumers and it’s existing customer base! Seriously, just buy a two bay unit for the software and call it a day!
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If it is their response to the numerous successful NASes released recently, then they will loose a lot of customers.
I personally wanted to migrate my home NAS from 2-bay to 4-6 bays. I waited till their release because I love the software. But it does not make any sense. Old, slow and ineffective CPUs, memory limitations, Ethernet limitations, no integrated GPU on most models. These devices are obsolete even before release.
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Should’ve named the video “Synology announces their newest line of factory direct E-Waste for 2025”
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“We have plenty of stock of very cheap or discontinued products… That we can sell at golden price with an additional price of 25% (thank you to Trump).” – Syno
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Time to go DIY.
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Just moving to 2.5Gig , when the other vendors are moving to 10Gig. I currently have a DS920+ the 2, 1Gig ports trunked. I was hoping they would have advanced a little further by now. Disappointing, will move on.
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Too late, already got the QNAP h973ax with 10gbe and 32gb ram a few months ago….. Maybe when that device is EOL in 2029, Synology will have 10gb and 32gb ram as standard ? ????
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I’m actually liking my gen 3 asustor lockster as6804t over my ds1019+. Bye bye Synology, you just confirmed why i had to leave the brand.
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7:14 because they’re cheap. I’m sure they got some insane discount on old inventory from Intel or such.
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Welcome to 1984! Now definitely moving to the competitors.
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Pathetic. I’ve been waiting for this announcement see if I could finally upgrade my DS1513. Instead I’ll be building an Unraid server.
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Thank you for all you do. I hate hearing this as I’m really wanting to replace my ancient QNAP TS-419P II 4bay. Suggestions anyone?
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time to move away from synology….
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Oh goodie, 2.5 GbE whoop-de-do! No 10 GbE upgrade option?!?????
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Well, Synology is helping me to save money by not releasing products that are worth upgrading to. My good old DS1520+ will keep being the main unit and my DS723+ will keep being the backup unit. Nothing here to be exited about!
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Hopefully, we will see decent closeout prices on the existing versions.
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Saw this coming a mile away. I’ve completely ditched Synology hardware and am rocking the 10-core Intel 1235U in my Ugreen DXP8800 running Proxmox and Synology DSM in a VM and couldn’t be happier. Performance is leagues beyond my old DS1821.
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Counting the days it will take before Synology will put this in their News section on their website
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I would fire the product manager and his department. You are risking the future of the company with these poor decisions.
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Been waiting for a new 6 bay for years now. Needless to say that I’m highly disappointed that it’s not in the picture… And even if I decided to go to a different model, the “upgrades” are equally disappointing. I’ve always hesitated to move on from Synology, now I’m getting more and more convinced I should make the move (probably QNap)
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Will the DS1825+ be able to be upgradable to 10G with use of axpansion slot like one can with the DS1821+?
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In my eyes Syno is more and more losing ground in terms of hardware.
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Very disappointed, I have waited long for the DS1825+ to replace my DS1522+ with 10Gbe, but I’ve decided to replace the disks with bigger ones instead.
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2.5 gbps? Hell froze over!
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Looks Like I have to learn TrueNas.
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Synology is just not interesting anymore. The feature set is has been. They have nothing to compete with.
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Glad I went for a UGREEN NAS
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i feel like this was a blast from the past. are these new devices? lol
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Synology once again shows the middle finger to SOHO and Plex users. Looks like I’ll be going with a UGreen solution to update my aging DS916+…….if only UGreen sold NAS directly in the UK!
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Why are so many people crying, these manage spinning sata disks, they don’t need the latest CPU.
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It’s disappointing, but for me, it is all about the software i can not go away what ever. Synology Drive and Snology Photos are for me not easy to replace.
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My Aoostar R5 has 64GB of ram and amd 5820u running truenas. These sonology seem 10 years behind
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Nah, one step forward and another back… Synology aren’t leading with innovation here it’s barely catching up. No 10 Gig, not interested then… shame DSM wasn’t available as a standalone OS.
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Genuine upgrades or a knee jerk to ugreen and Ubiquiti offerings?
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These “refreshes” are pathetic.
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Do not spend your time:
Highlight- Synology decided to use 2.5g nic in 2025, that’s the whole upgrade. (Feel free to close).
Everything else is negligible and not even an upgrade if you had a model above average before.
PS: never heard of most disappointing upgrade in life
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All the Synology fans who kept telling us, okay, the hardware sucks, but their OS is worth the price. Do you still agree?
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The fact that they still have enough of that Celeron J4125 (a 2019 proccessor that is EoL) on-hand to build an entire new 2025 model (who knows when that will see EoL since it’s not like they upgrade annually) should tell you all you need to know about this companies foresight. 2.5GBe is their big leap forward in connectivity standards? Most have moved on to 5GBe or even 10GBe by now and ol’ Synology out here dipping a toe in the 2.5GBe waters in 2025. Wow. Rocking my DS920+ for the foreseeable future and then I’ll be doing anything but Synology for the next NAS.
To think that I used to complain when Synology had poor rack offerings. If only that were still the issue in 2025. For others reading, Ubiquiti released a NAS last year called the UNAS Pro that’s a 2u rack-mountable chassis, 10GBe networking, redundant powering options and 7-drive bays for a retail price of $499. And that’s from one of the more notorious names in over-charging for tech, mind you. If you want real business-class data storage there’s far better options now and for the foreseeable future from the looks of things.
In terms of pro-sumer and enthusiasts (who Synology seems to hate now even though they wouldn’t exist w/o them), it wouldn’t take much for Ubiquiti to add an integrated graphics CPU, expandable RAM and application/docker support to that UNAS Pro to release an upgraded UNAS called the MAX Pro XCG LMNOP (or whatever) for probably $699. RIP Synology. I would say it’s been a good run but I don’t feel like lying.
Thanks again for another great video and doing all of the legwork on this video though so the rest of us don’t have to endure the brain damage only to find out it’s another dud of a year. You helped me a lot with my NAS choice years ago and I’ll be watching closely over the coming months/years to see what other offerings become viable as their software matures.
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I won’t mind synology using those e-waste cpus “IF” they priced properly.
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Since I’m buying a Synology for its great software, the 925+ looks quite appealing to me. I don’t mind that they’re a bit conservative with hardware updates..
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No DS925+ with intel ?
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No GPU again – dogshit
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I’ll take an unpopular stance. Unless they restrict the new units to Synology only drives (which may be a showstopper as I won’t be able to just transfer my current disk array into the new unit) I’ll likely be upgrading my trusty DS1512+ to the DS1525+. For me Synology gives the rock solid reliability in hardware and software that I need. The 2.5Gb ports will be welcome, but I won’t need 10Gb anytime soon. The new processor will also be sufficient for my needs for quite a while. The additional memory will be great as will nvme caching.
Clearly I’m not a power user, but there are probably more people and businesses like me out there than there are power users who might need the latest and greatest. Not everybody needs or wants a Lamborghini when an ultra reliable Toyota will do them just fine.
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When are they available for sale?
I just bought an 224+ yesterday wich I could return for 30 days.
I was waiting for so long for 2,5gbe nics since I’m running ssd’s in the unit.
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Does Synology offer ZFS on any of their hardware? I know there are more hardware requirements for ZFS, but that is what I am really looking for from Synology.
I am currently using a DS923+. But I am reading about a lot of advantages to using ZFS.
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how many tons of J4125 do they still have?
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Synology never fails to disappoint, guess they want everyone to switch to xpenology or Truenas!
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While I agree with the sentiments expressed here over the lack of hardware updates from Synology, it’s important to remember that what makes a good NAS is it’s software. Hardware is easy, software is hard. The thing I like about my pair of Synology NAS’s is DSM. Things just work. No fuss, no tinkering, no intermittent failures or erratic behaviour.
Most home users really do not require 10GbE or faster CPU’s etc. They’re nice to have but for the majority of home users, I think the hardware, though dated, is sufficient for their use case.
My biggest concern about moving away from DSM is the quality of the OS being used. For example, I don’t know if UGreen, Terramaster or QNAP offer a Synology Drive equivalent, and if they do, if it’s as dependable and easy to configure.
For me, it’s the OS that is the prime factor for a NAS and the hardware a secondary consideration. You can have decent functionality with an excellent OS running on slower hardware, but poor software on the best hardware is next to useless.
Sure, I don’t like the way Synology has gone with regards hard drives etc, and I’m not saying I’d stay with Synology forever. I’m just concerned over the quality of the software of other solutions.
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Excellent news, Synology well done ????
You could have gone all the way, with state of the art new Ryzens, and Intel N series. Forcing your customers to upgrade… but your being eco friendly, using that warehouse of CPUs you over purchased in 2019!
You’ve just saved me about £3000..
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SYnology don’t have to do anything …. with Asustor pricing themselves out of the market and Qnap still less then stellar with Customer support it is really only the Chinese brands with their software issues that can offer any real competition however ….IF UNIFI actually did a proper NAS -Game over
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I would 1000% jump ship to another NAS platform with better hardware, if it wasn’t for the free Active Backup for Business license we get with Synology NAS. The other software solutions that I found are just too expensive for personal use. This could be a good video to cover if you were able to compare other bare bones backup software solutions (hopefully with de-duplication) in comparison to active backup for business.
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Once UGREEN figures out their OS, it’s basically game over for Synology. That’s saying a lot since it’ll take a long time for them to figure that out, but man does their hardware just smoke synology’s 2019 processor bullshit with a premium price tag.
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They have been pushing these 4125j for so many years. How much more can they have ?
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It seems like synology is all in on passive income ????????
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Just bankruot synology if that is what you are planning to do
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hahahahaha! we have lots of cpus going cheap lets charge people silly money for old tech. Jesus! just build your own for way cheaper and 100x faster
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What a JOKE.. If it weent for their ease of use id be out.
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Already gave up on synology and this just seals it, have 1522+ and planning a DIY rackmout with better spec than synology which im sure will cost me less than synology
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Lol I’m out
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A N D they are hobbling their apps like the photos app.
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Excellent vid. Crap lifecycle. Keeping my 916+ going
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Sounds like they just moved the bandwidth around and cut what they needed to balance the output. They must have way overbought those old cpu’s.
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the poor showing at Computex motivated me to stop waiting for new a DS9/DS15 product and just build a NAS from scratch, was scared for a minute that I had missed out here but am quite happy with my Q670 build, good to see they’re ditching 1GbE but my machine has 2 x 2.5GbE and I’ve got a PCIe5.0 x16 slot
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This brand is stupid. I’m moving forward with DIY TrueNas.
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Goodbye Synology – hello Ugreen ????. Synology should go back and read what happened to Blackberry – THAT is their future. I’m buying 2x Ugreen devices, can run native OS, Unraid or Truenas. Then there are options like GMKtek and Lincstation, so long story short, Synology have missed the boat and will be playing catch-up to get some of their market share back!
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With this new lineup my DS716+II still looks pretty shiny. Not a lot has changed in those years.
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I’m very happy with my UGreen 4800plus. . . .
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*Update* In order to better track each of the new Synology NAS revealed at this event, I have made update pages for each device below. Additionally, as mentioned in the video, I am canvassing user feedback on these new releases (ideally existing Synology NAS users and/or SIs – system integrators) for a follow up video soon. put your feedback in the comments below or in the Reddit thread here – https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/1ja7hmq/discussing_the_news_on_synology/
Synology DS525+, DS1525+, DS425+, DS1825+, DS1825xs+, DS225+ NAS Reveal https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds525-ds1525-ds425-ds1825-and-more-revealed/
Synology DS925+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds925-nas-news/
Synology DS1525+ NAS Leak https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1525-nas-revealed/
Synology DS425+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825-nas-news/
Synology DS425+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825xs+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825xs-nas-revealed/
Synology DS225+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds225-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS Leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvpgpeKEE0A
Synolgoy DS625slim 6-Bay NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synolgoy-ds625slim-6-bay-nas-revealed/
Synology DS725+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds725-nas-revealed/
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Very unimpressive. The same CPU as my 1621+, and no 10GbE?
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Should have drank the coffee before editing – you’ve got two outros back to back 😉
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Waiting to see a Nascompares review of the Aoostar WRT Max before I decide if I’m going for a turnkey or a diy.
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When is the release date ?
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Fingers crossed the new DS725+ finally gets a USB on the backside to plug in the UPS… plugging it in on the front is just ridiculous.
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It seems to me like Synology is trying to balance the effects of technological progress by applying some form of reverse Moore’s Law. In a few more years, their refreshed product line will match the performance of my 10 year old DS214. Tired of waiting for them, time to look elsewhere.
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Great video as always
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I just ordered my first NAS 1522+; should I cancel and get the 1525+?
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Are we ever going to see a synology with snapdragon processor?
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Nice of them. I’ve already moved on to another NAS. It’s too late for me.
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My guess is the quote of USB at 6 Gb is a mistake and somebody was thinking of SATA… to engineer 6 GB USB wouldn’t make any sense, especially given how little effort they’ve put into these upgrades
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Is it true that Synology now requires you use Synology branded drives? If I wanted to buy the DS1825+ and put in 8x 4TB SSDs, must I use Synology?
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Has Synology become the iPhone of NAS? Very little innovation over the years.
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Still not seeing any reason to move up from my Synology DS918+ which I bought just after launch. Sorry Synology, your software is amazing and I’ve had no issues with any of my previous purchases. I guess I’m just not your preferred customer anymore.
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If a new one with ‘same hardware’ just 2.5gbe costs much more than the usb to 2.5Gbe adapter, people should might consider buy 2.5Gbe adapter only and save money (if they already have one) and if they don’t, maybe by an old model, and if want, buy 2 adapters one as backup ???? and still saving money
The prices are ‘crazy’ and for example here in brazil, they’re totally crazy.
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I swear, Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists is one of the best books I’ve read. It’s life-changing.
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I recommend everyone to find the book titled Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists, It changed my life.
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Why isn’t everyone talking about Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists this book is next level
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it’s really crazy how nobody is talking about the book bevelorus the hidden codex of the financial alchemists
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This is why I’m working on putting my own home server together. I won’t be using any discontinued hardware.
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It’s crazy how this book isn’t blowing up yet. The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists on Bevelorus is packed with real gems.
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Underpowered and overpriced.
With all those new NAS (ugreen and others) I don’t know why one should choose Synology at this time, apart from the software (but we have truenas, unraid…)
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very surprised about the missing 1621+ update..
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i feel so bad for selling my old nas, this is just shit, no 10GBE ON THE 1825???? JOKE COMPANY, its time to buy unifi unas pro with 2bay synology for phone backup only
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I looked at the Mona Lisa in summer of ’22. It was as underwhelming as these boxes.
Who wants to bet: all still on kernel 4.4.x.
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Fantasic news. Thanks for putting this out so quickly – it’s made my day (sad, I know!). I use a 920+ and skipped the 923+ because I could not believe the dumb and short sighted approach by Synology by not including 2.5GbE on it, a MASSIVE fail, IMO. But this 925+ looks like it’s going to be my next NAS, BUT, will I be able to remove my 4 drives out of my 920+ and just drop them in to my 925+ when it arrives???
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Intel J4125, comon Synology, with N100/305 out there? i understand not moving right away, because of their policy into having more stable setups, but by now the N100/305 are probably the best choices for small server.
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Sounds like a cash grab. Fuck’em.
Nice watch, btw.
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Very disappointing release. The competition is crushing Synology with innovation and performance. Seems like Blackberry all over again.
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For the expansion units, the USB-C port is probably connected directly to the processors of the DS and the expansion units, but the drives are all connected with SATA protocols and hardware, so they can’t promess any more speed than SATA 6Gbps even if the port is 10Gbps. Maybe the port is USB-C 10Gbps and can be used for other means tho?
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Moved to Terra master F4 424 last year, after being with Synology since my very first NAS donkeys years ago. Looking at this refresh it was still a good move. I can use it with TOS6 or anything else I choose, pick the drives I want, Synology these days is just over priced Cr@p. Love this channel and thanks for getting up so early.
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A good time to check where ugreen is at
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meh, if it aint broke dont fix it.. they probably have a huge stockpile of those old CPU’s they are trying to get rid of. For storage.. they are more than adequate.. for people that want more and more out of their appliance.. docker.. vms.. this isn’t the right choice.. but it never was..
lets hope they create a new series for power users like that.. other wise.. you gotta build something yourself.
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Excellent presentation. Thank you. A bit disappointed to be honest. Was hoping for 10GbE on the 1825+.
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Synology demonstrating why they need to go under…………get bent, Synology. you suck so much taint.
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I’m just waiting to see if we can use nvme as storage. If not, I’m moving on.
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Duck Synology. No more health check on non Synology drives. They lost my business years ago and I needed more 12 bays.
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Just set up my new DS923+ yesterday…… Would have liked the 2.5gbe but doesn’t really look like I’ve missed out on much. And still have the 10gbe option should I ever actually need it!
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Great roundup man! The 7/9/15 series not supporting 10GbE would be such a letdown!
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No Synology for me, plz.
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Two x 2.5 is much better than 4×1 in LAG. While 4×1 LAG gives you a combined 4Gbbps of bandwidth its only 1Gbbps PER STREAM. Dual 2.5’s in lag gives you 5Gbbps aggregate, which yeah is a 1G upgrade, but ALSO gives you 2.5Gbps per stream which is a huge improvement.
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Oh dear. Time to find another solution.
As usual, thanks for pulling this together!
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Well, saying I’m disappointed is a big understatement!
I feel even more disappointed than when they announced the RS1821+ without nVME slots! ????
I think it’s time to move on…
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Been running multiple Synology NAS units since the days of the DS207. With the other competitors listening to what their non enterprise users want, I can’t help but continue to look elsewhere for my daily driver NAS. Having a UGREEN and QNAP, those both continue to just look better (if their software can be as reliable).
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Curious if the dx525 has any improvement due to usb-c, says same 6gbps?
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I like fart too.
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Any DVA model changes expected?
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I own a Synology and am looking for a 2nd NAS. Will not be looking at Synology for that. I am interested to see how UGreen progresses in its app development. Would be nice to have an update on their progress.
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Hmmm, just bought Ugreen with Intel u1235, thanks synology for reminding me, why i migrate from my 1522+… Like putting new carpets to the car… and call it refreshed new version ???? Ugreen allow me use any ram i want (not overpriced synology one), allow me to create volume on nvme, allow me install other os and the EXOS drives are a bit quiter in ugreen (guess that metal chassis with a bit of space on synology doesnt help reduce noise).
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I know what they’re gonna be. Overpriced, under powered, vendor locked junk.
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Honestly, if I need a new device, I’ll look elsewhere. Yes, I use it to back up laptops and as a media hub for photos and videos. Shame as I have Synology mesh as well, this will also go to a different supplier in due course
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Nothing compelling. Seems my RS1619sx+ remains a “current” model. Wish it had WORM/immutable shares, but as far as I know, it still dos not. If I had to buy a desktop NAS right now, it would probably be UGREEN. Their OS is still evolving. It’s not bad in its current form and I am free to put something else on the box.
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What a disappointment. I’ve been waiting for years to give Synology my money. But they just don’t want it. Time to move on…..
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Kind of hard to entertain an upgrade when I’m using a DS712+ still (and also a DS420+; both are NAS ONLY and running nothing else)
It’s clear that my upgrade path will be a (rubbishy in some ways) custom-built NAS out of some 2U case. Trick there is to be able to fit several 3.5″ mechanical hard drives, decent cooling for the mainboard, and upgradability to faster than 1Gbps on MY terms. Not everyone can afford optical or even a copper Nexus switch to get 10Gbps; yes I realize I’m an infra snob and “thing that works like Cisco” is what I expect in infra (10Gbps is still stubbornly expensive at scale, at least at home)
I miss ZFS and I want my next NAS solution to support it.
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Why not just fit 10Gb from the offset? Shouldn’t be an upgrade.
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Well, looks like my ds223 will be replaced with a unifi UNAS pro…
Synology really screwed the pooch here..
UNAS has a A57, 7 bays, and 10g for $499…
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1825+ with dual 2.5Gbe would be more than enough for most users, so it’ll be ultimately about the price – if it doesn’t go any higher than 1821+ then it may remain competitive on the market, but if it costs any penny more, then it’s not worth over older model at all
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DS425+ uses the same Intel Celeton J4125 as the DS423+ so don’t even bother looking for an upgrade.
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Went over to Unraid and built my own micro box with potentially 6 bays. Never going back to the many rip off manufacturers like Synology. I am gobsmacked at their attitude and almost zero technology advances
But love this channel and always come here to keep up dated
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Synology pace is glacial. It’s hard to tell the difference after five years. You almost have to wait 10 years for real progress.
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I have been happy during 12 years with my Synology 1511+ and switched recently to Qnap 855x. No brainer
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I am excited about these new releases. Maybe the 22, 23 and 24 units will come down in price and I can buy one of those! In the mean time, where do I look for used units to purchase cheap? Some of us are on tight budgets. Our CFO has an iron fist of NO when it comes to new technology purchases. (CFO=Wife).
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I’m still so happy with my fully loads DS3612xs and DS2413+ from back then. Looking at these new releases I’m not missing out ????????
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That´s a fight to Ugreen xD – not really :/
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Synology Hardware ????
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F Synology
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Glad I went with the T6-423 from Terramaster. Been pretty good for what I need it. HDHomeRun Docker and Plex, iTunes Library location.
I encode the videos for iTunes and then Plex Library picks up the folder contents.
So streaming iTunes videos to AppleTV Plex Client or AppleTV client from Apple.
As such the NAS not doing any transcoding.
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I currently own a Synology DiskStation918. Over the years, I’ve noticed that Synology has been gradually locking down their hardware, which has been a significant deterrent for me. I’ve been keeping an eye on the DXP4800+ since its release last year, but it has unfortunately been unavailable in the UK. I reached out to UGREEN regarding a potential UK release of the DXP4800+. Within 10 minutes, I received a confirmation that the product should be available in a few weeks, subject to any unforeseen delays.
Bye,bye Synology. I’ve moved on, unlike your hardware.
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Have they finally upgraded the USB ports to 3.2 GEN2 or are they still living in the dark ages?
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Looks like they’re not likely to be getting any money from me this cycle then.
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E-waste.. what a disappointment ????
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I’ve got into Synology in 2020 with a DS220+ for home use, plex and photo archiving. I won’t consider Synology for future upgrades and I’ll keep an eye on other OS and hardware. The N100 and N150 looks awesome at least for me and I’m looking forward to HexOS. Looks like this is the aim of Synology, getting rid of home users, literally anything alse around is more convenient
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Quite a serious case of meh.
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RIP Synology
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synology ds925+ release date ?
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Well time to leave the synology ecosystem ???? what a load of ????
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are any of these killer for plex 4k?
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Kind of disappointed in the proliferation of AMD across the entire Synology lineup. One with an N150, or N355 would be much more interesting to me.
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it’s unreal that they haven’t released anything with n100 or n95. I bet they still have a lot of old stock motherboards to get rid of.
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Moved to ASUSTOR LOCKSTER 4 GEN 2 as I feel synology hardware is lot more older than its compitetors. atleast lockster gen 2 came with N5105 processor which is an older ver but not as old as synologies.
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Fuck me, I just bought a ds723+
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no waay, the finally dropped the gigiabit
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13:39 That’s a gigabyte, not a gigabit.
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LOL, what a joke. This just confirms I will never buy Synology ever again. They are living under a rock.
No reflection on your great videos…thanks for taking the time to share all the helpful info.
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“I like art…” ????
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I’ll stick to my super old 1812+. Very few has changed in the meantime, they are still using outrageously outdated hardware, unbelievable.
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Well this confirms I won’t be touching Synology for the forseeable future.
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I feel stupid now having waited for the synology refresh… Going with Ugreen, Asustor or DIY now.
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Time to quit synology
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They really don’t give a sh¡t about the home/enthusiast/small business market do they? “Let’s make the very least, minimal changes, and up the year number to make it look like it’s a newer and better thing”. They’re like my ex-wife was, always late, always a disappointment, and always trying to tell me they’re better and more value than they really are, and they think I’m a sucker and I’m going to come back because they do that one thing very, very well! Seriously though, if the DS15 doesn’t support 10GbE and the only change on the DS18 is to 2x 2.5GbE, I reckon I’d probably be better off getting discounted 22+ and 21+ units. At least you were up before the seagulls though!
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New stickers on aging hardware… wate of time
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Something tells me that they have not upgraded Marvell RAID chip in DS625slim. I would not be surprised if 6 SATA lanes/disks were still connected to the CPU via just two PCIe 2.0 lanes effectively creating a bottleneck of 1000MB/s. Sadly no DS419slim upgrade on the horizon.
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Man, no 10gbe ? If this is correct this is ludacris ! File sizes and file amounts are only getting larger not smaller. What is synology thinking??
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J4125. Wow, just wow
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Another drip, drip, drip…. Higher prices for the negligible performance improvements. The NAS market all but stopped 5 years ago. Same memory, same CPUs, same slow NICs on the lower end…
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Still no N100-based 2-4-5-bay solutions for home market? Bonkers. I guess this settles it – will go for a selfbuilt. Only question is if I’ll use my (finally) retiring desktop system based on i7-4790 or I’ll pick up one of those fancy N100-based boards.
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Dedication Rob, unwavering. Thanks ????????
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Looks like my 718+ will be replaced with a DIY solution with Proxmox/TrueNas this time, Synology is just trolling its customers at this point.
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Glad I moved on from Synology garbage hardware. This just confirms how much they’ve decided to abandon the userbase.
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Seems like Synology got a good bulk discount to buy up all of AMD’s & Intel’s discontinued e-waste.
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New devices shipping in 2025 with an Intel J4125… a discontinued 2019 CPU… wow.
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oh well…. cant say im not suprised. i guess thats goodbye to synology and my DS1813+. I waited as long as I possibly could. Hello 45Drives HL8.
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Urgh, i just bought a 923+ a month ago because i was tired of waiting and thought they’d skip 2025 new models. I wish they would make a cheap 2.5Gbe upgrade card for the 923+.
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Thanks for the vid, Rob. Yet again, it seems as though Synology has not listened to it’s customer base. My first Synology was a DS211J and bought 2 more since then. Time to turn my back on them and go with something else to upgrade my Plex server.
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Churning out videos like fresh bread rolls. Well done m8 ????
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The DS923+ and DS1522+ have both gone up in price by 20-30% down under lately. For Synology to take away 10Gbe seems absolutely bonkers. For photography and even office work file server 10Gbe is essential. 2.5 Gbe doesn’t even facilitate the full read/write speeds of a 4 or 5 bay NAS with spinning rust. With 4 synology HAT3100’s my DS1522+ runs around 600 MB/s via 10Gbe without any NvMe cache. Why bottle neck these devices by giving no way to get data off at the bandwidth that a bunch of spinning rust can facilitate?
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Well done Synology you’ve finally done something stupid again, and more reasons to move away.
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same old $21 cpu. Next years NEW systems will have racing stripes
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Jeez its a bit disappointing. My old NAS is so overdue for a upgrade but these are not much of a step up in fact in some ways they are worse. My old 4 bay st least still had integrated graphics that works a charm on Plex but is really struggling with modern codecs like AVI.
Really wish someone will make a NAS using a modern chip that has all the latest codecs supported especially AV1 10bit encode and decode
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The recent moves in software, discontinuing Video Station, etc make me nervous getting a Synology. I’m more likely to buy a UGreen (when they finally get released in the UK) at this point.
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Sounds like Synology have just stopped trying in the home / SMB segment. I won’t be investing in a system using dated parts (but which I would want to run for many years into the future) and run by a company that doesn’t seem to care about what (it appears to me) a lot of customers want. Even taking into account software and price, I was already leaning towards QNAP or Asustor etc., and I would still pick their current gen hardware over the new Synology offerings in a heartbeat. Can’t wait to see what these other vendors offer later this year.
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Well this is incredibly disappointing.
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A very disappointing refresh while other brands have move forward considerably
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Bought a fresh 920+ last year. Sems like not much has changed in 5 years ????
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Fuck Shitology
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Thanks for the update!
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Phews in 423+
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I really appreciate your dedication and commitment ????
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As a long time Synology user, currently with a 920+, I was shocked at the rubbish they put out as the 923+! If they do the same dumb thing with the 925+, I’ll be going to QNAP in the next couple of months. SYNOLOGY – WAKE UP! 2.5GBe was due on the 923+, and that omission stopped me buying one. The CPU choice in the 923+ didn’t help either! Synology seem deaf to customers wishes/complaints/suggestions, with their collective heads stuck firmly in the sand – STILL! And don’t get me started on the absolute RIP OFF prices they charge for their (re-branded) add in goods eg HDs, 10GBe cards and M.2 drives. I really am beginning to hate Synology. I would love to get one of their heads of dept in front of me.
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I wonder how many of the negative commenters here suffer from “featuritis” in comparison with real users. I own a small company and frankly I don’t care if I have a 1Gbit or 2.5Gbit network interface on my NAS. All the workstations in my office only support 1 Gbit, as well as the network switch. And the high priced Syno SSD’s are of no concern either because spending my time tinkering on my NASses cost me much more than simply buying something that works. And Synology does that. I just upgraded from a DS716+ to a DS923+ and I’m happy with that. Compile times of my projects halved due to the SSD cache, so I’m happy. I can add storage for the next decade, so I’m happy. It was almost plug and play. That is what is important when using a product, not the absolute price.
It’s a bit of an Apple/Android debate. Android users boast that their system is open an can be extended at will. But do they really use that? Apple just works. Yes, you’re tied in into their closed ecosystem but I’m happy with that. Everything simply works, Always and as expected. And that is what counts for most businesses.
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been 7 months any updates?
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I tried the BeeStation …It’s way too slow for my needs. I’m used to moving very quickly on my computer; having to wait around for the BeeStation drove me crazy, and I had to return it. What about the Plus? Is it faster? What is a better system for me? Thank you
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Well, to begin with I’ve watched many of your videos and there’s a lot of information to take in. I almost bought the Beestation, but then one comment you made in one of your videos about not having a back up and if something goes wrong, you lose everything. So not having a clue what I was doing I purchased a DS224+ with 2 4TB hard drives. I have not received this yet as it is approximately a week away from delivery. So it appears I have a lot to learn because I have no idea if this is even gonna work so I can bring my cloud to my home. Your videos are great and I appreciate the time you put in and all the information that you give to us. Yes, I know I have a lot to learn but overtime it should be OK. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.
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Following your review of the Bee station, I’ve just bought one!
I’ve paired it with a Raided backup drive and have my 5 computers and iPhone connected — and its Brilliant!
Worked straight out of the box. Took a bit of tinkering to get the backup drive working (reformatting it from MAC) and I now have 3x Mac, 2x Windows and my iphone all playing together.
Thanks for pointing me in this direction.
Its sooo simple to share files and pictures!
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6 months later, no sign of the product.
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If Synology is going to hold onto a processor for a DECADE, they need to start off with processors that aren’t horrendously under-powered compared to competitors. They already removed a huge selling point for their NAS products by choosing a processor that can’t do hardware transcoding.
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I can’t decide what I can get to store all of my photos and videos on a nas and if I want to see it over the web which one is the best for me
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I had hoped the DP320 would come in around $1000, but they are USD$2500 to $2800, and for that I can run Veeam on more powerful hardware with a 10Gbps NIC and 3-4X the storage and built-in threat hunting and tiering so older backups get moved over to S3 Glacier. There’s an obvious mismatch between price and value here.
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I am looking at storing my old TV and movie collections. Trying to figure out what is best to run on my lap top and on my tv. Trying to listen to you all and it feels like I just ran into a cement wall. What external hard drives or memory sticks should I look at getting? PLEASE HELP!!! Yours, Computer Putz
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2.5G lan as a minimum or not buying anything, it is well and truly overdue
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I think Synology are getting too big for their boots its only a matter of time for DSM to be toppoled, As we all know its the only thing they have going as they lost the hardware race ages ago
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If all you want is backup then just build a VM with xpenology you can use a normal nas or storage.
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Dude you talk so much and you don’t say anything at all
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In 2025 sell discontinued CPU from 2019. Synology – the bazaar of a desperate company playing at something. And that’s why it will never belong in the server rooms of big companies.
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This is a STRONG indication of Synology being disconnected with the userbase, what the hell is going on here?
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Synology trying to sell us garbage hardware buyed from 3rd world.
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They’re pissing warm on their clientele lol
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Great content, as always! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (mistake turkey blossom warfare blade until bachelor fall squeeze today flee guitar). How can I transfer them to Binance?
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It is still MINISFORUM… Synolgy can call it a day…
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4gb hahahaha still in 2005 I see
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This is for DIY small office it.
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Its like Synology is on the corner screaming: E-waste! Get your factory fresh e-waste right here!
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I feel like there’s way more competition in the market these days (UGreen, UniFi, etc), and Synology are falling behind, big time. The small incremental updates, the discontinuation of Video Station, etc. Just makes me look elsewhere to be honest.
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Robbie, I’m about to buy a QNAP TBS-h573TX but a need to know this: how much noisier it is compared to the QNAP TBS-464?
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Could it prepare the road for Plex ?
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Is it really zero sum between the products? If I were product designer I would be having all three based on the same platform. One code base. There’s no reason the layered apps can’t do the same.
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OMFG this is worth ….the value of a 8TB drive ……that’s it….utterly useless ….if you only have 8TB of storage needed you don’t need a NAS
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It’s like a skipped record for 4 years. Maybe if they watch this video they will change. That door closed 2 years ago. I held on to palm phones for too long hoping, and it was a waste of time. Synology is done, sorry but its the truth. They blew so many chances at bat, the game is over. We can pretend that they did something 2 years ago to turn it around still or we can just move on… Even if they release something great in 25 who cares? They treat their clients poorly in a one sided relationship. I will never trust them again… its a dead brand for many…
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synology????????
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This CPU is more than enough to put files on a hard drive, but the 1GB port is really shameful.
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Our guy became grey and they still not releasing new normal intel cpu synology
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This is good news for DS423+ owners. There will be longer support for this J4125 CPU since they are releasing a new model with it in 2025.
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Great video, would you recommend any newer model for me ? I have a DS715 and I love it but now I need something that allows me to run some VMs, and ssd, I thought in build maybe a server with some slim computer for Home Assistant … I’m a bit lost in cost benefit and power save
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He could have been good… In 2019
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Pretty disingenuous analysis here. This is a poor example of tech review.
take a non-NAS product, the weakest one in the lineup, and cry about its specs as a NAS?
then you point to the packages that went into creating it… and say those packages do it better?
this is ABB/HB/SR with Active Insight and CMS rolled into one. plus VMM. pre-built and ready to go.
“we should avoid comparing this with their NAS” – the man who then proceeded to compare this with other NAS.
Consumers aren’t involved in company-wide backup rules and schedules, but you make the video as if people are about to weigh this against a DS923/UGreen/Whatever.
1GbE is plenty for 5.5Tb of total backup, daily change should be like 200Gb.
Clearly love the algorithm tho, you know how to get people upset.
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Synology, like Blackberry of old, will wake up one morning and realise that they have been overtaken by the competition – wake up or RIP Synology. ????
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If this will have dual 4TB flash then it somewhat makes sense. How hard can it be for the competition to catch up on the software front? Until then we just have to continue to bow down and eat the mediocre hardware humble pie Synology keeps serving
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Was hoping for a good new DS 925 to replace my DS918, leaning more and more towards upgrading the 5-6 years old drives or buying another brand. If they will come with a 925 with pre populated drives or another model with 1GBe, that will prove that they have stagnated and then I will buy another brand or just replace the drives. Sad because I really like DSM.
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If the new DS devies released this year still only have 1gbe inbuit ports then deffo goodbye to synology.
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Did they mention why they have different apps that mostly do the same thing? Why separate BeeFiles or BeePhotos from Synology Drive and Synology Photos? I don’t understand the thinking
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Your comparing apples and oranges. This is for BACKUP only. Not a device for home users. I actually like this coming from a provider side. This small device is for a small remote office. I like where they are going with this. For business use you don’t need full blown DSM since most (that we install) is for backup only.
So, I get it that the home user is not going to be into this but from a business side which is where Synology is trying to become more acceptable it is great. DSM is a hindrance in a business setting when it is only there for backup because you always have that “IT” guy that goes in and loads it up with a bunch of crap home apps like Jellyfin etc.
They are following the money.
The hardware specs on this model are meager for sure but it is intentional. Simplicity. It just has one job. Backup. Period.
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Synology? Who cares..
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I am still wondering which people would buy such a solution with zero redunancy on board. The people they would be targeting with this solution probably buy them as a replacement of cloud sharing solutions, not realizing they’re data suddenly is not backed up anymore. Not saying that RAID would be such a backup, but it is definitely better than one single drive.
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Synology just gave the middle finger to DS SOHO users. These BS (lol!!) devices and corporate server racks. I predict end of proper refresh of DS series devices……. Bring on UGReen to markets other than US and Germany.
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Must be a CSR objective to recycle junkyard processors.
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Yawn. Shit hardware tied to more subscription services? Hard pass.
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Unlike Asustor, these guys don’t listen.
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So I can turn my 5yr old j4125 nuc, 16gb mem, and 4tb ssd into one a this?
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I have a DS212j with two 2 TB drives in an SHR, which leaves me with 2 TB. I use it primarily as a Backup device. I’ve been looking to upgrade to backup more stuff, but because it’s slow and past EOL for DSM updates (I think), I’ve been looking at different systems. I’ve watched a lot of content about the other NAS solutions out there. I know I’m in the minority here, but most of them are serious overkill for my needs. This, on the other hand, looks just about right, depending on price.
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A new device with a 5 year old processor. Where does Synology procurement purchase? A junkyard?
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Never touch Shitology
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So, is it possibly, bye bye decent spec 2/4 bay DS+ range? If so, it’s bye bye Synology for me!
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That was the bigger problem of the Synology branding of ” Synology is like the Apple of Nas”… now its all bundled up not upgradable. Sad, lets hope Ubiquiti adds docker to the UNAS
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useless
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Synology is dead short of ugreen being a Chinese plant that is spying on their devices. Ugreen is king
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Just wonder, who the hell is buying this crap ?
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I would be happy if I could buy 2 of these, and make them sync. That would solve the issue of the lack of backup.
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They are not listening.
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Has Synology given up on the mid-home market?
It looks like they only want the low-end this device is for, or larger companies.
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Honestly we should not put overkill hardware in such a device but I don’t expect to see a j4125 in 2024/2025 launched product
For ref their beestation bst150-4t was selling at whopping 220-230GBP now , guess what price on their newer model ???? ?
Intel: please, they already discontinued and don’t expect we spend resources on it for security patch / firmware update
Synology please, can you see what market average is offering ATM ? ????
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Half steps. Where are the larger capacities and redundancy.
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To BEE or not to BEE?
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What the hell is Synology doing????
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Welp I’ll stick with my ds 720+ for all my plex needs
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I’ll pass !!!!
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No 2.5G Ethernet, wtf is this? It’s a joke.
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Deshalb kauf ich kein Synology NAS mehr! Lieber bau ich mir ein DIY-NAS selbst und mach ArcLoader drauf dann rennt das System förmlich! Sorry aktuell kann ich die Hardware von Syno nicht empfehlen dafür gibt es ausreichend Alternative!
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All I want is synology to release a decent 4 bay with at least a couple of 2.5 GBE and not be nagged for using my own drives
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No announcement yet. Nothing for ces.
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Looks like no new nas for 2025.
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Luckily for me after following the development of Synology for a while, i decided to go with Asustor.
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I just decided not to update my DSM anymore. I will only do it if its mandatory for me to be able to use the NAS. i aint paying more subscriptions. Greedy companies aint getting more money from me.
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Dont buy SYnology anymore! They deleted Video Station App and remove video codecs from Synology Photos. This NAS is not for home station anymore!
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What the heck is Synology doing? Of the dropped the ProSumer Market they should let us know out of respect at least
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No integrated graphics. Oh well. You can stop the review there. It’s Ugreen or Qnap in my likely future. But i appreciate your work.
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It’s time for Apple to clean up the mess. I’m waiting for it.????
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DP = Dead Product
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Seems they have to much HDDs laying around. Now they building “new” Products around them ????????????
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If Aldi did NAS
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This is very old news. Synology told us years ago this is the plan. Squeeze base and offer nothing in return and target enterprise. To still consider synology to be different is just insanity. It has been dead jim for years…
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that scream woke me up.
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I checked their website and found that the DP320 is the lowest-end model in the lineup, while the DP340 is equipped with 10GbE with M.2 SSD and 24TB of RAID5 storage. Additionally, the DP320 comes with 8TB of RAID1 storage, which is designed to protect 5TB of data.
a common sizing rule for backup storage requirements assumes 5% daily changes in source data size with a 2:1 deduplication ratio. This means that the DP320 only needs to handle 132GB of data transmission per day. With a 1GbE connection, it would take less than 20 minutes to complete the daily backup job.
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Nail in the coffin for me as a home consumer. Shopping to upgrade my 6 yr old QNAP NAS and Synology is off the list. It was already looking like they were stepping back from the home consumer market and this confirms it. It most definitely will take resources away from DSM dev.
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So basically a disposable NAS? You get what you get.. no expanding or upgrading. Talk about catering to the lowest common denominator.
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Look I appreciate your coverage but your mic quality has to improve this is unwatchable. Please reconsider whatever you’re using even if it’s just recording to your phone on the side and syncing it up in post
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I think Synology are losing the plot – why would you launch a business backup device in 2025 with unexapandable memory and a pathetic 1Gbe? Surely 10Gbe should be a given now? Seems an epic fail to me.
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By today’s NAS standards, this thing is ALREADY e-waste… WTF Synology!?
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Synology is losing it’s marbles. Shrinkflation or absolutely not listening to the end-user
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I don’t care about Synology anymore after seeing Minisforum 5bay NAS.
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Why TrueNas hasn’t found an alternative for ABB, yet? I mean…do you know about Urbackup?
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Did Jaguar’s marketing team get hired by Synology?
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Sh_t overpriced product with 1GB NIC. No more Synology, farewell… power hungry CPU, vendor lock for drives…
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Synology realized they have a bunch of unsold NAS units from 2015 in stock and decided to give them a new (after) life by tricking users it is something new.
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just bought a 10gbe qnap with 9 drive bays for 400, used. It has just 2 cores but its intel and not some stupid castrated cpu so its good enough for me. Also I have a Xpenology DIY 9 drive bay with 16 threads, 10gbe nic and 32gb ddr4 ram. Why in the world would I ever give Synology any of my money?
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Yep, Synology is going the wrong way last couple of years. My current 918+ will be my last Synology NAS ????
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Syno marketing team should be fired. Same as Ubisoft – they do not understand their CORE customer base. On the other side – imagine new HEXOS from Linus-supported-team with almost ZERO functions /not counting TrueNAS they are based on/ and they are able to sell that crap for 299,-USD without Hardware box…. And 20.000+ of us old-fart-geeks bought Early access just because there is BIG HOLE to fill on SOHO – sell us DSM and we can install it on any HW/PC. Imagine DSM for 199,-USD on i7/ryzen…. back to ARC loader simple hacked Synology….
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When you didn’t think Synology could do no worse, they throw this out. I just don’t understand it. It’s clearly not for me, but I don’t get who it’s for.
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Synology need to move away from that power connector. You look at the machine and they fall out the back
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The limitation on drive usability makes this a deal breaker. How long will they make those drives? How much are they going to be given their proprietary nature? Much like the raspberry pi during the supply shortage, people will start snagging up these drives in quantity and jack the price up. That is a serious red flag for me anyway. There are a lot of NAS options that do not possess the headaches you are describing. Some DIY setups with a great deal more functionality too.
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It’s over with Synology – UGREEN please take over
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DP series? Is synology sending us a message?
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Unifi likes that:)
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I’m not interested in Synology at all at this point.
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I’m new to using a NAS device and I took advantage of holiday sale pricing and went with the Ugreen 4800+ over the Synology system. I set the system up without any issues and it just seemed like a better choice over the Synology hardware.
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Anyone got any good recommendations for data recovery / repair software to use on a Synology DSM7.1 created hard drive, which is not part of a RAID and is a one drive storage pool that has crashed and was working perfectly fine recently, and is reported as being healthy but shares and files can no longer be used, viewed or accessed. I have an external backup of this drive elsewhere but that is missing the last three months of files added or edited since. It’s noticeable that I had nine years of no problems at all, and when I upgraded the firmware from 5.2 to 7.1, after a few months I began to get frequent storage pool crashes, usually when trying to access one file or streaming certain video types like .ts formats.
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2:33 Huge thanks to Robbie for providing us the time to rant about 1GbE in 2025 with close to zero expandability.
LMAO 1GbE ethernet in 2025 for a backup appliance that is meant to be scaled and clustered for multiple clients. Big corporate re-educating people how to do bandwidth time-sharing in 2025.
They can yap about how good the data reduction works but cannot change the fact they’re serious petty about product segmentation.
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I had multiple Synology devices in the last 15 years, but nowadays I can’t justify the cost. The software is still good, but the hardware is ancient, SSD storage support is locked to their own insanely expensive devices etc. Also it seems they don’t listen to their customers, as there are no sign of new hardware for DS series. I need to buy ugreen or something else next time.
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Synology is the best example why there is no point loving and trusting a brand, because eventually they will just screw you. Well, screw them! I’ll gladly watch them become a worthless footnote in the history of NAS companies at some point, while enjoying my DIY (and OSS) NAS with a reasonably modern hardware that just fucking works…
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Like a Cops Says , Nothing to See here Just move along , Wish Synology comes out with some Better Hardware, How will this age for the Next 5 years. Hardware old now , Software Very Good. If Others come up with a ABB that is equal to Synology then game over.
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CES 2025 , Annoucement Below , The DS224+ and DS423+ were launched in 2023
Synology at the 2025 International CES showcased updates to its popular consumer network storage products, beginning with one for its popular BeeStorage line of flash-based personal cloud devices. The new BeeStation Plus comes with 8 TB of flash-based storage—double that of the original BeeStation from 2023—and updated system hardware that includes an Intel Celeron J4125 processor with 4 GB of DDR4 memory, USB 3.2 Gen 2 type-A and type-C ports; and an updated software frontend, including the BeeProtect software that makes snapshots and other forms of backups of your machine. The device continues to lack Wi-Fi, and relies on wired Ethernet to connect to the network.
Next up, the company showed off a couple of its entry-level desktop NAS solutions under the DiskStation brand, the DS224+ (2-bay), and the DS423+ (4-bay). Both feature SATA 6 Gbps drive bays, and you can expand storage using any USB mass-storage device that plugs into its 5 Gbps USB 3.2 port. The DS224+ comes with two 1 GbE interfaces. Under the hood are a Celeron J4125 processor backed by 6 GB of DDR4 memory. The DS423+ can hold up to 72 TB of storage, and besides the four SATA 6 Gbps bays, has two M.2-2280 slots with Gen 3 wiring. The NAS can access any of its drives at up to 226 MB/s reads, with up to 224 MB/s writes. Networking interfaces include a pair of 1 GbE. Lastly, the company showcased a series of “direct-to-cloud” WLAN and PoE surveillance cameras under the C2 Camera series
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Unprecedented, unbelievable, they deserve an award for not listening to their customers! Kodak 2025 history repeats itself again exactly like Nokia, Philips, etc, etc. We call this megalomania. The end of a decade and are already being overtaken by others who apparently do understand. A golden logo is not enough, at some point you are backward territory.
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look at Synology share price its gone from a steady 13 – 16 dollars. over the last 3 years its drop to 1.40 dollars. it’s because people are sick of terrible hardware. they only put up with that because the software was so good now every one’s software is getting up to that level and the price points for hardware you can buy of the shelf at a fraction of the cost. . the final nail in the coffin was the lost of video station for me . and about 20 million other people who use it daily. Qnap might not be as polished yet but by the time i get my new nas they will be. i would say 1 year or so and QNAP will have overtaken them . its funny because i could fix this company inside of 1 year. the faults are so plain to see. and easy to fixed
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I don’t think you answered the one question I had, which is “What is the price comparison between this and a DSM model with equivalent hardware?”
I know that when I purchased my first NAS all I wanted was backup, and if it had been less expensive I would definitely have gone with a backup focused NAS vs. a full-featured NAS as that was what I wanted but without paying any more than I had to.
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Also a long time Synology user here and sad to say I will be replacing my DS418 play this year and it will NOT be with a Synology device – RIP Synology.
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I’m still running an 815 which hasn’t missed a beat. I change the drives every five years which means its coming up for a hard drive change in the not too distant future. When the time comes to replace it as it surely must, its going to be a pita if I can’t just plug the old drives into a new device. At that point there’s no real need to buy another Synology, even though I’ve got the Synology backup apps and things installed. Apple would never let anyone go so easily.
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At this point I’m disappointed there is no market for a souped up 3rd-party replacement motherboard for old synology units.
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Synology engineers don’t work since 10 y ago
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A few minutes into this video, I genuinely checked the date on it to make sure I’d not been duped again by YouTube’s habit of randomly dropping ten year old videos into my feed!
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WTF if Synology wants to compete with the Terrastor or oostars for entry level budget NAS them great but why knee cap themselves by making the system less compatible, connective, upgradeable?
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This device is not my cup of tea… TrueNAS systems are getting more and more interesting .
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What a disgrace, have they not learned what users want? No DSM, no innovation, no 10Gb network, no NVME caching… NO THANKS!
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AMD R1600 has “Dual 10G Gigabit Ethernet”, but they made 1gbe. )
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I think Synology understand they simly can’t compete with all the new NAS manufacturers like Ugreen ect. So are now scrambling around trying to find a new idea/market to keep them in business.
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temu nas
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I have purchased multiple synology nas units for the sole purpose of using them as active backup appliances. I assume that’s what they are going for here, it’s for business users who just want a box that does backups and nothing more.
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Synology is very blunt in openly milking its customers. They make affordable models worse on purpose stripping them off of nice things (like m.2, 10 GBE, in-built GPU) which would cost them pennies to add… Removing m.2 does actually cost them money. So they spend money to make their products worse. Who does that?
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Gosh, Synology goes from bad to worst, who the hell wants to be lock up with a box like this.
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Please upgrade to 1440p.
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Can’t see the point of this nerfed device. It provides less flexibility and locks users even tighter into Synology hardware. One 1 GbE port for management … fine. But another 1 GbE for backups? Ludicrous! Restricting backup speeds to a theoretical maximum of 125Mb/sec on configurations with multiple Terabyte storage options (options? Nope, you’re locked into not only using Synology HDD’s but fully populating the new units with them).
No USB support for external backups either. More and more alternatives for backing up have been removed and more and more eco system lock-ins are being rolled out.
Why would anyone in the market for a NAS even consider this over the 723+? You’re paying more for less.
I see this overall strategy as concerning from Synology. Slowly, they are removing options and choices from their solutions.
When it comes time to replace my pair of DSM based disk stations, I will have to seriously consider my vendor choice.
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Gigabit Ethernet – WOW! What speed!
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Why can’t Synology stick to any kind of sensible naming scheme? Shouldn’t this be called something like “DP225”?
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everything synology is doing these days is saying “fuck off you worthless losers, we don’t want your business” to anyone that aren’t a corporate customers
i’m so glad I didn’t go with their “products”… I nearly did…phew….go DIY NAS!
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I had a Synology (that crashed on me…. But what really push me away from this brand is when they decided we had to use HDD from the:only….
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1 gbe in 2025… that is crazy… especially after the entire community has been begging for 2.5 and 10gbe…
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It looks like Synology decided, Broadcom’s approach to VMWare was a great idea, and they want all their customers to run away in droves also.
I sure hope they don’t continue with what appears to be silly decisions. I’m gonna hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.
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You’re laughing. That is not on mate, that is not on at all.
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still 1gb lan ????
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Horrible choice for synology, first is this, next is removing all the features in DSM, bad news for users and likely gonna make synology fail in the end
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For those who already own a Synology NAS, why would we want this ? And, for those who need a really sophisticated backup solution, they are more likely to look for a more sophisticated solution than this. As my dear old Dad use to tell me, “why in the world would you pick your nose when you have a perfectly good hankie in your pocket ?”
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Why is it worth talking about with 1Gbit?
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There is a tagline: “NAS is not a backup.” That is not entirely true. NAS is a wonderful short-term (or intermediate) backup. I use a cheaper simple 2-bay QNAP just for that purpose. The price must be right though. It is a niche product because oftentimes a portable drive or DAS can fulfill that role, That is an alternative I use: plugin portable drive into my laptop and it triggers an incremental backup to that drive. We will see if there is a big enough market for DP320.
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Still no new 8 bay?
If I don’t hear anything within the next 2 months I’ll be ditching their brand entirely.
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Feels like they’re really missing a proper strategic direction – they seem to want to move towards the enterprise space and yet backtrack with these seemingly pointless product lines at the same time.
Unless I’ve completely missed it, neither ABB nor AP seems to have proper RBAC.
Sure, you can configure operator rights but it seemingly applies wholesale to operations rather than task based; e.g. You can’t restrict a specific user (group) to only be able to perform certain tasks (add/ delete backups or recovery) on specific machine(s) or groups of machines.
In a home, this might be User1 can only run tasks specific to their own machines being backup without rights to other users’ backups.
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No word on pricing yet?
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Long time Synology user. I gave up on them last year. Over priced under performing hardware and not consumer friendly practices made the decision easy for me. Never again will I ever promote or consider synology.
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DS213 upgraded after 5 years with WD Reds and Noctura fan. One of the WD Reds started to fail, so I bought a DS1522 with 2 Synology drives. When the WD Red completely failed, I replaced it with a another Synology drive, which can be used to expand the DS1522 in the future. Both NAS are now running wonderfully. One of the nice features is I get an email any time my internet goes offline and as soon as it is restored.
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i see bankruptcy in Synology future.
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DOA.
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1GB Ethernet I know you said it , Never Could I buy this in this form. Good luck Synology ,
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I hope you were able to speak to someone at CES Synology booth to understand what’s going on with them. I don’t get who this is for.
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It is unable to be a nas for me from the start because of gig ethernet. It cant do the first thing i want from it so why should i bother with its shiny gadgets?
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Come on. They could have at least put 2.5 on there.
Not angry, just disappointed lol
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Sure seems like they’ve gotten out of the consumer/prosumer space entirely. Wish they’d at least announce it
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10Y+ synology user here. I wanted to upgrade my two synology units but the only decent Synology was the DS923+. However for less than its price I found the Ugreen dxp4800 plus which sports better hardware. I am amazed at the quality, build, afterglow to detail and speed. I will purchase a second unit to keep an offsite replication (but will go with the cheaper 4800 non plus as it is only used for syncing). I believe that Synology surely lost more users that were on the same cross road I was
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Never though I’d consider DP a bad thing, but here we are.
This is ewaste
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Still NO significant announcements….omg it was bad enough getting no news all of 2024 but they have NOTHING substantial to show at CES 2025? OMG what is happening to this company….
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I’m torn between getting a synology or ugreen
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It looks like a designed for corporations that want a backup only device for small retail locations.
If it had a firewall, it might be a literal response to people who want a simple device like Apple Airport.
Doesn’t make sense for single location small business.
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I don’t understand this line of devices. Technically APM can be installed on any newer DSM device. Why create a new type of device for this? If they want to earn money, they can sell license for APM separately.
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More underpowered and overpriced Synology hardware. Yawn. People have moved on past Synology at this point with their stinginess in giving actual decent hardware for the price.
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Synology will always be shit until they change their poor business practices
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I’m sure somebody at Synology knows what they’re doing, good for them! Because I sure as hell don’t get it!
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OMG this whole product line is an absolute piece of shit ….. WTF are they thinking?
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Will never buy Synology.
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Miss the workshop studio
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Are you in Vegas at CES?
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A company that requires some of their NAS products to use their own drives, for any reason, does not deserve anyone’s money.
Boycott Synology.
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First
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Ho mostrato questo video alla mia amica e ora ridiamo insieme, dimenticando tutti i problemi????
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Waiting for Synology releases are like waiting for your date to get ready for the dance. Her hardware is plain and her upkeep is spendy, but you put up with it because her family’s rich.
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They’re not listed for CES, but apparently are at Pepcom
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Do you know what would be nice. A Synology NAS with 2.5Gb ethernet a Intel CPU with integrated graphics (Arc based) full support for AV1 video format / full support for Opus audio format and
full support for JXL (JPEG XL) for Photos all this is Open-source so non of that extra cost you get
with licensing.
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I wonder if you have any thoughts on possible changes to their 2025 lineup now that Unifi has released their $499 rack mounted 7 bay NAS with built in 10GbE?
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Still rock’n my DS918+ with 32GB ram
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I do not want a 2 bay. I do want it to include an M2 for SSD caching without me having to configure anything. I do not mind that it is a closed system, but I would thank a larger HDD. The lack of redundancy would not be a problem if they sold these in a bundle, so you could buy a couple of units (one for the office, and the other for home) so you can sync them up and use one as a backup. I do not want to hook this up to the TV nor do I want to run Plex, all I want is to store pictures and files from my computers and smartphones.
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here, and also min 2.5 gbit ethernet
How does Synology GridStation compare to DataDirect Networks GridScaler?
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Heard the same story last year (2023)… Got a “temporary” NAS because I needed more space… I can likely get by for another year… but hearing the same story this year – in addition to petty HDD model warnings is making me heavily reconsider.
Perhaps my needs and Synologys’ direction are diverging.
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MORE SEAGULLS
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Looked at this unit a while back from my DS920+ but people said 2 users on PLEX and it will struggle due to the CPU doing all the work. But with the latest DSM update they are pushing the processing to the external devices does that mean the CPU will be under less load with PLEX? Most of the PLEX use is on the home network but my mum watches some of the video content remotely and often at the same time as we watch content.
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BS is right.
I’m cynically assuming the 1825+ will be bad at this point. Sigh!
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I am in the market for an 8-bay nas since I am upgrading the hard disks on my ds1621xs+. I was going to get the ds1821+ until I saw this video. 4 months later and still no news from Synology. ????
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Unfortunately, the moderator talks too much. I would have expected a bit more information from the guest.
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Does this work over the internet?
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Synology will dump 4 years old technologies and release them with horrendous price like apple as it always do.
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Funny how the device looks like my WD My Cloud Mirror.
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1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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Synology has become apple. Chargeb obsene money for weaker inflexible hardware.
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For the Synology HDD HAT33xx price Compares to WD or Sesgate – price is almost the same which ks good but only with 3 year warranty. You can get 5 year warranty models from WD/Seagaet with the same price as HAT33xx :/ Thats so sad.
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i don’t know why they don’t make a beestation that supports multi-bay nvme raid….then i would be a buyer…
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i got the synology ds224+ which was what i needed this spring and then they ruin it by removing transcoding, video station etc, does this mean they regret removing multimedia options and that i can keep it, or should i get rid of it (sell it second hand) and buy a new qnap instead? i spent time setting it up the synology just how i want it etc, i have disabled updates for now. Im never again going to buy synology after this and each time NAS comes up and someone asks for my advice, im telling them what a crappy company synology is and encourage them to get qnap or asustor. Qnap has way better hardware and their software are WAY better as it stand now regarding photos video etc anyway which is what home users buy NAS for, so synology has really ruined it for themselves. I might save up and get a TS-264 next year
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2:04 thanks for letting me scream in the comment section ????
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I have a 723+ and i noticed that the new update states that it will no longer support h.264 and 265 streams to prevent resource exhaustion. Would this mean the plex videos will now use client-side transcoding?
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I was thinking I already owned a bee station because they are very stingy with their hardware and lack of new A-class features.
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They should be careful. If they take away too much from the home users, someone else will absolutely step in and fill the gap.
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Hey! Studio upgrade looks good mate! Much easier on the eyes.
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Hello to you too Robbie????
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Closed system , even if Synology HDs are at comparable prices today, is an absolute no no.
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It would be a shame to replace the DS224+ given that there’s a big difference between DSM and BSM namely the ability to install a lot of apps.
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I would be happy if they had a Bee Station as the base CPU and a networked Core Station with an NVMe or SSD unit that connects the network and a 4 or more volume disk unit via a Thunderbolt connection. This can be expanded up to 16 disks. And of course it would be good if the Bee station has a 10 Gbit network connection.
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Thanks for the update.. let’s see what the next step will be! They have competition now with UGREEN
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Another great vid mate????it seems the way things are going it makes you want to build your own more and more just for the value of what budget cpu you can put in your self lol
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Slightly better than the Apollo Lake in a Zimaboard.
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Not worth it if there is same performance issue
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Synology makes me laugh. 1999 and 2019 called and their hardware back… The 920 opps, the 423 has some competition now. ????
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2.5Gbe ????
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They bought a million processors and have no idea what to do with them, so to sell them they made an economical version of PRO hardware. My life shows that taking the easy way is not a good idea for the future.
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I wish they start using the new Intel Lunarlake CPUs. Very fast and low power. I’d pay for it to upgrade my DS1817+
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Any news from the seagulls ?
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Does anyone know when Synology will announce there next updated NAS’s??
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This is potentially a gold mine product line for synology and just maybe a gateway for a few home users into more higher end synology stuff. The market for those seeking to avoid cloud based storage from the big boys is already large and potentially vast. Avoiding subscription fees and having more confidence your data is yours and yours alone temps many.
Both Synology and UniFi know the home user market is really big. Getting into that without dropping the ball on their existing strengths requires time and energy.
It’s market potentially hundreds of times bigger than the prosumer one and set to expand.
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Happy to see Synology expanding the BeeStation line for the basic home users to have more options available as simple alternatives to paying $120+ per year for cloud storage. I think it’s a huge market and they know it!
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Maybe I‘m one of the few who sees this as good news. With a system like this I can convince some people to get a Nas and they will be able to administrate it themselves. If backup works properly on BSM this would make my life (tech support for friends and family) so much easier.
I run a 224+ and I‘m happy with it but actually I had to work myself into it, I just wanted a good automatic backup solution for myself and some of the other stuff you can do with it. I was about to buy a WD MyBook but read some tests, so I ended up buying a Synology and working myself into the system. If the machine you talk about had been on the market a year ago, I might have bought it and probably be happy with it. I like the idea of being able to run docker apps on my 224+, but in reality I just don’t find the time to do it and actually I don’t really see a use case for me.
There is definitely a market for this. People who want something like an Apple time machine for their Windows PC + some things like photo backup of their mobiles and maybe an easy music and video player for home use. But the options on the market really weren’t that good before the Bee Station.
I don’t think this will kill devices like 224+ etc. maybe the j series if it still exists but the target audiences are just different. The DSM machines are either for professionals or for enthusiasts, the bee station series is for neither of them. It’s for home users looking for an easy backup of PC, laptop and their mobile devices that you can set up without reading the manual or watching channels like this.
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Me personally, I do like the idea of a 2bay that is reliable and set and forget
But it needs to be a system that you can swap drives
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Synology is not consumer friendly. Get out now and stop wasting your money.
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2:07 what he said
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Errr those celerons, aint they the ones that you know fail on reboot?? JSeries?
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Strange. I commented my last post, and it is not here. I am sorry about giving wrong information. Availability and price 245 euro included TAX is for similar device Synology BST150-4T
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I think you hit the nail on the head. They will expand to four bay and separate prosumer from business. To the point where a prosumer will be unable to buy a business type of product.
What is scary about this to me is the possibility of changing privacy policies and making plug and play products with few setting choices.
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I’m sorry, did you say that DiskStation Manager on Bee Station was called BDSM?
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Thanks. Name is derived from Dale’s elastic superhero alter ego in the German version of the Chip ‘n’ Dale animated TV series 😉
I even managed to download the .pat file, but deleted it later before realizing it would have been helpful to peek inside for more info.
My hunch is also a two-bay, but my Speculate-O-Meter™ leans more towards an Intel Celeron J4025 (DS220+), otherwise the differentiation to a DS224+ might be too marginal.
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Junk company falsely marking drives as unreliable just to upsell their own white labeled drives. No thanks.
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Gee, how many J4125 did they buy?
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The writing is on the wall for Synology. I don’t think they’ll manage to remain successful in the prosumer segment, insisting on selling aged hardware in new chasis. I’m torn between Ugreen 4800 plus and the F4-424 Max. I guess whichever makes it sooner to my country.
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Is there a trends that tech brand like to price hike and overcharge so it wont broke our bank ?
If we overcharge enough we can prevent breaking people’s bank because they stop buying it ????
Lets protect our customers
Beelink product line with basic features set might working fine for grabbing share from different market.
Synology maybe making more bays beelink products and call it a hive ?
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huh…/me puts away wallet
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I just checked local prices. 245euro
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Nas companies continue to perplex me. One would expect a DS with Intel, like a 4/6/8 bay. People who use this bee-cr*p generally don’t care what’s inside; who’s their primary target audience, like people in retirement homes who want to keep pics of their loved ones and nothing much more than that?
Then again these cr*p cpus fit these cr*p products perfectly.
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Syn should make a Terramaster F8 competitor.
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OT : Robbie, have you seen the release notes for the recent DSM update ? Any thoughts on the implications of this ? Pushining multimedia users to the BeeStation ? : ”
” Starting from this version, the processing of media files using HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs will be transitioned from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency. These codecs are widespread on end devices such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs. If the end device does not support the required codecs, the use of media files may be limited. Refer to this article for workarounds. In addition, please note the following exceptions:
Surveillance Station on DSM will continue to support server-side processing of AVC (H.264) streams, see the release notes.
Deep Video Analytics (DVA) series models and VisualStation clients will retain support for AVC (H.264) and HEVC (H.265) codecs.
To ensure package compatibility, Advanced Media Extensions (AME), File Station, Media Server, Surveillance Station, Synology Drive, Universal Search, Synology Photos and Snapshot Replication will automatically update to the latest version.
Video Station is not available on DSM 7.2.2. ”
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Hi guys, is now a good time to go for the DS1522+ or should I wait a little longer. I already have the OWC Thunderbay 4 DAS but wanted to consider a proper NAS (rather than turning my OWC into a NAS using TrueNAS and second PC).
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Wainting for the RS1225+ ????
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still waiting for the ds1825+
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Will they launch another flashstation , the 6400 is getting ‘old’
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Just give the user the option to use the AI. They shouldn’t force customers to use it. I know they want to join the bandwagon and hype but many people don’t care.
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PAS series… I looked up everywhere no mentions anywhere… you managed to be the only one to find this out…! nice!
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Where is it?
Will it come as RS1225+?
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Without DSVideo…. It’s without me…. How is the next fonctonnalities removed of Synology?
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Please, sell a perpetual license or a DSM subscription and we as customers will take care of installing decent hardware.
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Just wow, Eddie (on the right) is completely out of touch… he clearly lacks knowledge in the area of hardware and LLMs. And Eddie’s comments about training on a LLM on the CPU… just wow, he clearly doesn’t know how these things work – you’d be training all year if that was the case. And then Robbie just talks to much… adds so much fluff to sentences and doesn’t get to the point.
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Having gone to Qnap a few years ago, I absolutely miss Synology DSM.
If, as you say, Synology is having financial troubles, then I think they’ll be looking for ways to save money. Not just licensing, but video station can’t be cheap to maintain.
Rehashing old hardware is another way of saving money while keeping the marketing machine moving. An 18 month old product can’t sell at the same price as a new one.
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Minute 14:15 his answer shows like he lives in anoter reality.
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First dibs on £661 retail for the DS925+ appearing within the next 10 days 😁 based on weird ebuyer basket shenanigans 🪄
We ALREADY pay a TON for these devices where hardware is outdated by 5-6 years. The price is at least 2-3x of the actual hardware.
Synology should be able to pay for 20c/year license to keep the device for 10 years(natural life of electronics).
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My raspberry pi nas is starting to look very attractive. 😉
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Update the chassis
A different color at a bare minimum
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Can we please call them “Twelve Twenty-four”? It’s easier to understand the two parts of the name this way (bays, year).
I feel that “One Two Two Four” is less than ideal.
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Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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Heard rumours of DS Video being discontinued. Anyone else hear the same?
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And just like that, they dropped video station. And indeed, I am not amused at all.
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Synology has left home users
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People be honest with your self the main reason why we are buying Synology is not hardware but software.
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QNAP as they seriously addressed complaints and weaknesses in the last 3 years they turned into a great solution. Synology did the exact opposite of what people complained about and were issues to be addressed. I will never purchase Synology because of this. QNAP is really good now with the os, software and security, a great smb and home solution, with hero and zfs it goes up stream real nice as well. Lastly the likelihood of Synology getting any real market share in enterprise will take years to get any possible return of any, that market has good solutions with relationships that span a decade. Synology had a good relationship they destroyed to get one they won’t.
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My crystal ball says that prices will be HUGELY dissapointing…..
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Rs 8bay. Come ooon Synology ????????
And yes half size ????
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I’m an avid user and solutions reseller of Synology. Synology is on a very slippery slope, subscriptions, locking people into ridiculous over priced hard drives (you can’t get) and selling near 10 year old processors in their product lines.
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Synology needs new intel or amd with integrated graphics! It’s a joke to see a nas without integrated graphics
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Deprecated, not depreciated! Sorry to be a correction dude, but we’re all entitled to one thing that irritates the bejaysus out of you.
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SYNOLOGY LISTEN, I mean i like DSM because its reliable and easy to use, yet i can run custom apps. Why is synology sleeping on Intel N100 and N305 …SERIOUSLLY. 500€ NAS like DS425+ cant have J4125 is old pedestrian it can run 1 VM. How entropenour could run company on slow NAS?
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My moments where i walked on Synology was the focus on the amd processors, the requirement for their m2 for just a silly pool, and the 423 which i literally thought was a gag until i confirmed it. They haven’t updated their hardware or software in any meaningful way in a long time. And they are dumping money into a market i highly doubt they will have any real penetration… they are done, they just haven’t noticed yet. Ugreen is the hardware heavyweight and QNAP is the software and hardware vendor of choice, and they deserve it with the relentless work they have done in the last 3 years…
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Im quite disapointed with synology as im a customer since they started. Unfortunately they got greedy and the units are always under spec,expensive, and to use premium features you were forced to use their hardware for premium features (NVME volumes) that costs a fortune. Then you have subscriptions and now more paid features to be available as new models come out. Dont give me the same excuse over and over stating this is enterprise. Synology is not enterprise and will never be if you compare it with other brands. For me im done with them. I had 6 units several models and got rid of all just because of this. they wont get any more money from me. There are far better options available out there and the cheaper and with better performance. currently i use DYI nas and QNAP.
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Love your videos! I have a hot spare in my Synology 1522 and need to increase the volume. How do I add the hot spare to the existing volume?
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I really wanted to try Synology for a long time because of photo and security camera video storage features, but if subs extend from SMB to home users, I’ll probably stick with TrueNAS. It mostly does all that I need. Terrific chat guys ????
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UGREEN w/ proxmox = full flexibility why wait for trad suppliers to upgrade their hardware with decent prices?
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I used a lot VideoStation before, but now with h265 and more state of the art codecs for Audio and video, video station isn’t able of decode the files, the lack of a gpu turns everything even more down.
I really like Synology ecosystem but their hardware is more and more focused on enterprise and less and less about prosumer/media.
The prosumer ones are lacking so much with weak cpus, no gpus, only with Gbe that it becomes harder and harder to think about Synology.
I like their suite of apps I love the OS but without eggs we cannot do an omelette.
I cannot justify a 6bay or 8bay deskop or rack with a embedded amd cpu to cost 1k 1.5k is prohibitive, for this prices I except and ryzen 3 at least with a GPU.
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As a simple user that wants reliable access and apps (NoteStation, PhotoStation, etc.) along with practicality (lower size and noise, essentially NVME support), Synology seems to be moving away from users like me. I’m hanging on for something, but it may be time to jump ship soon.
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QNAP TS-464-8G (4-bay) NAS with DSM including SHR file system would be the perfect solution.
This model beats DS923+ or DS423+ in all aspects (better CPU, 8GB RAM, 2.5gb network, NVME supports most of the brands either as cache or pool)
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Where can we get one of those “mo’ data, mo’ problems” sweatshirts? ????
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923+ needs to have a modern Intel CPU, and 2.5 lan minimum. If not I am going though the pain and switching to another brand. A lot of people use these devices for multimedia servers and Ryzen is a horrible choice for that. They stand no chance in the Enterprise market. They’re destroying the existing user base to chase clients they will never land.
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The whole point of people buying a NAS is to avoid the ongoing fees of the backup services currently. I for one will ditch my NAS if Synology dare to charge me a subscription for use of DSM or whatever. I will just revert back to USB External drives.
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Synology have reached the point where even DSM cannot make up for their Hardware fails … their Enterprise push is going to fail miserably (they have zero engagement with enterprise clients and that takes many years to build) …. essentially they are OVER ….only a Fanboi would buy Synology if they looked at the breadth of the market …. Synology are at this point just a cult rather then a competitive NAS solution.
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I will be so disappointed if they have the same hardware in the 1825+ model. I have been postponing this purchase for the 1821+ for a couple of years or so now, in the hopes that they will be able to have an updated chip, ports, etc. If there’s no major update to the series, it’ll be a bit useless to purchase, esp once the price drops again for the 1821+. I really hope they offer something much better, there’s been plenty of time for them to p.ay around and experiment with the new chips.
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As much as I really like the Synology interface, and also like the simplicity of their SHR and general apps, they really are pushing me in the direction of the Ugreen DXP6800 Pro (warts and all).
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Been thinking about buying a DS923+ as an online backup unit for my DS1621+ recently, maybe I might wait to see what’s coming out before I pull the trigger. 2.5Gb would be a plus although may end up adding 10Gb as I doubt it will come as standard. Drive compatibility is still a bit annoying as would prefer to run all Red Pro drives so if I ever wanted to repurpose drives out my backup unit, into my main unit, they’d be up to similar speeds/transfer rates.
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Plex is bad, beter is Jellyfin. I wish a Option for pay 5-10$/y for Support all Audio and Video format (dolby true, dts, …)
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Eddie’s face looks as dissapointmess of what Synology is going to deliver. And .. I am not surprised. Time to switch to QNAP, Eddie !!!!
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Synology cameras are vaporware at this point. TC500/BC500 are never in stock, and retailers like B&H Photo no longer sell them due to that reason. You saw the same thing with the CC400W… They showed off that camera in November 2023, you reviewed it April 2024, but still nothing.
Btw, Rob can you do a detailed comparison between Unifi Protect and Surveillance Station? There are no recent videos available comparing them.
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QuTS 5.2 just released, speaking of software…
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What I’m wondering is if this means the BC500 is discontinued, and the CS500B will also allow local storage, the BC500 will be back, or they are abandoning local storage cameras and only going with cloud storage. I had one of my BC500’s ripped off the house by some roofers, and it was damaged. I replaced it with an Axis camera since the BC500 is sold out. It is a superior camera in most respects, but it was also a lot more expensive. I”m going to move to a multi-acreage property next year, and I wanted a fleet of BC500’s for several areas due to the cost and features. It was going to allow me to only buy more expensive Axis cameras for areas that needed it. I guess I need to start looking for cheaper NDAA cameras in case, but I really liked the AI integration of the BC500 with Surveillance Station. The Axis camera integrates with Surveillance station to a degree, but I still use the on camera alerts for some situations.
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btw … Im late, but thanks for the new mic for Eddie some time ago.
I dont need to instantly turn the video off anymore, and run away screaming mercilessly into the void.
That said – Here’s a NAS question – and no, I dont expect an answer here at all,
this is more about a potential future video. Am I an ‘average’ user?
I am very successfully and enjoyably still running a DS918+ as a file server for us all at home here, with RAM and M.2 Cache bays stocked full, and running 4 various sized Seagate drives running SHR. And … No, I dont run plex or any heavy multimedia on this system, and although 2.5G LAN would be nice and its supported by my computer, I certainly dont ‘need’ anything faster than that. 10G is irrelevant.
I also run a one bay local backup USB drive that once a week auto runs USB Backup for each user, and once a month it auto backs up mission critical folders to dropbox.
All that known – Do I need to spend $800+ Canadian to trade up to a 2025 version of this NAS (DS925+), just to satisfy the ‘new toy’ algorithm?
Is there any point? Is the 2.5G LAN worth the cost? I dont really need the USB-C or the 10G upgradability.
And … if it ever exists … should I move from a single local backup drive, to these new DP320 / DP420 backup solutions when and if these little desktop versions come out? Will their Active Backup OS be compatible with this use case? Will this be safer with a setup like this? Or should I move to a 2 Bay Synology drive and run Synology Active Backup or Drive Share Sync?
Maybe its time for a video for those of us who bought in almost 7 years ago, and wondering if they should upgrade … and how.
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Very dissapointing news. Im glad I got a nvidia card working in my ds1621xs+ and dont really need to upgrade. But I still wish they would release a much upgraded successor, preferably with a quiksync enabeled gpu.
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No wonder why brits are always going on holiday. There’s no sun.
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I’m an average NAS consumer currently owning 2-bay Synology NAS which I bough several years ago: it was affordable and available -which was the only reason why I decided for Synology. For past several months I’m looking after “home” 4-bay NAS and all I can say is: Synology is dead, non existent for me.
I don’t care if and how successful Synology is in enterprise market, but Synology’s consumer offers are.. embarrassing -and that’s for many years now.
All PC mainboards made in last 3+ years have 2.5G port built-in, meanwhile we can buy 2.5G switches for 60€, SATA (and even M.2) SSD’s have become an option price wise… and Synology is still “defending” that 1G is good enough for us? Let’s face it: Synology is abandoning consumer segment or just doesn’t care. And I don’t care about Synology either.
The only argument that speaks for Synology is “friendly” OS compared to competition -where all of them offer MUCH better hardware. Reviewers many time present competition OS-es as “ok, is not that bad”, which somehow implies as “barely usable” and so many are almost afraid to take the risk by switching the brand.
At this point I wish to thank the author of this video for his great job in all past years!
Bogdan
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Synology is utter garbage. I was a synology enthusiast for almost 20 years but their prices and hardware is crap. Moved my surveillance to frigate and my NAS to truenas and run docked in portainer. Much better. The fact they don’t refresh a crappy cpu after 4 years shows exactly what kind of crap synology is
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Most likely there won’t be a 925+ and 725+, but a 926+, 726+ and 426+ (at least, that is to be expected based on the timelines of the last two iterations). From those the only NAS to look forward to surprisingly enough is the 426+ as it will most likely contain a new Intel CPU (n100 or similar) well suited for Plex users.
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If Synology gets rid of Audio Station/Video Station, I’m not upgrading my NAS to a new one anymore and see no reasons to buy their products. I bought the convenience of not having to do this myself, but I can perfectly assemble a box with better hardware performance for streaming, time is money and if Syno stops offering me that, I will put my money and time elsewhere.
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Wonder if there will ever be a replacement for the DS620slim…
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I am so tired of everything turning into a subscription, that’s the whole reason why I got a NAS. If Synology moves to this model I’ll have to look for alternatives
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When I started looking into a NAS, I got the impression that Syno0logy was the devil so since then I have never considered them.
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DS925+ with Intel N100 and 2.5 Gbit-LAN. This would be a HIT.
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Want to see more offerings for multi-bay NVMe AND multi-bay SATA SSD NAS Devices with Intel CPUs that support QuickSync (iGPU transcoding).
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I had the same concert about Ai and the CPU of 1821+ but, sure if I want to have those kind of services I probably will want it to a dedicated machine more than in a NAS. Super happy to have finally had find a good deal few weeks ago of the 1821+ fully fledge.
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I want 2.5Gbit to be the baseline. Seems so basic these days. I love the UI on my DS918 (4x 10TB) but prefer the speed of my Asustor FS6706T (6x 4TB).
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I mean yeah we dont need much but 4k video streaming would be great. I have ton of 4k footage and would love to have it all in my nas easily accesible and efficient working from any device. The only reason why i am still not buying nas at all
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Hello, I still have and am running a DS119j, I got it for $75(US) and it is fine. I wish I could have added a external USB adapter ethernet adapter to make it fast but it does not work. I decided to buy a PI 5 4GB model and I am running my NAS off of that. I have the following parts:
PI 5 4GB with 64GB Grub installed on it
the system runs from a Keoxia 256GB NVME drive
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5: The HatBRICK! Commander
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5 with the HatDrive! BM1L (BOT)
uPCIty Lite for Raspberry Pi 5
2 of the longest PINEBOARD cables they make(NVME connected to PCIE2, PCIty Lite connected to port1)
LSI 6Gbps SAS HBA 9211-8I (IT mode)
4 times 2 TB SATA drives (7200 RPM server drives from ~2012/13(drives are all server class)
Drives are running in a ZFP Pool and shares in Samba
OS – latest Ubuntu server for PI5
performance is 930ish~ up and down right at a GB
I am on a unifi network in my home office. 10GB from my PC and 1GB from PINENAS & 100MB from my Synology. Both work great for my needs and I can even stream from the PINENAS with no issue.
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Make more thing verified and certificated ????
Ans time to charge 30% for 5% quicker ,newer hardware
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Unless CPU/Memory has a direct impact on file transfer performance then they are not worth fretting about apart from the CPU somehow limiting the support lifespan of the product. The only thing a NAS should be doing is serving files. All other tasks should be handled by dedicated hardware external to the NAS.
2.5 gigabit needs to be eradicated. 10 gigabit or greater is what is needed either via a built in solution or via PCIe expansion slot(s).
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RS1225+ ASAP
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Hey Synology, how about expanding support of NVME storage pools to the DS920+ .
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I sent an inquiry to them 3 weeks ago and they said no announcements.
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where muh RS1224+ at?! reeeeeeee
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Hello, loving the Hoodie! Where can I get them? Do you have a shop? I was not able to find one looking on your website. Please help. Thanks.
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I will not upgrade unless: Hardware transcoding, 2,5g NIC, no stupid alarms for not using Synology’s overpriced harddrives.
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Finally a better sound quality on your videos.
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If they come out with the same CPU with all the competition hitting the market I’ll be out for good.
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At long last . . . some good news from Synology
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Still waiting in Q3 2024…even considered settling for the RS1221+ but I can’t justify that cost for the age of the hardware.
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In other words, not much of an upgrade at all, most likely.
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Consumer Synology is like Disney Star Wars – you expect them to sink low, but they subvert your expectations, and not in a good way
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Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????5️⃣⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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I’m still missing the successor of the RS1619xs+.
You mentioned it already two years ago in the 2023 Rumours.
As long as they do not screw the pooch and insist on Synology drives.
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Thks a lot buts where’s Eddie?
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I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:
I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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Good analysis, agree with your assumptions, only way the DS1825+ would get better spec than you speculate is if they replaced the xs+ model at the same time.
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Looks like the same CPUs without good graphics and codecs so useless for Plex
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We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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if they made it with the epyc 4004 cpus with DDR5 + 2.5 GBe everyone will jump on it
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Interesting in comparison 1823xs vs 1825…
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The timeline here in the 18xx series really highlights how Synology have little appetite or interest to play in the consumer space anymore at the larger scale.
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Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.
How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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at 4:13 Love those “Copper Netowrk Ports”
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Let me guess – 1GbE?
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Do you think they will need to have a better CPU to compete with new products like the ugreen lineup?
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If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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If this thing is still coming with 1GB ports its as dead as fried chicken IMO.
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F synology.
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If there’s no new CPU, I won’t be upgrading. To be fair, if they don’t put a GPU in it, I probably won’t be upgrading anyway.
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Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.
Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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I just want a low power cpu that doesn’t use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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Proprietary drives again?
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Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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I hope Synology can add switch authentication, which is safer. It would be perfect if the switch other than Synology’s pop-up warning
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The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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We need an Intel CPU with Quick Sync for hardware transcoding of 1080p and 4K content on Plex, etc.
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If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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Don’t break my heart like that, Robbie!! I hope it has a better CPU!
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We can all have a good laugh when it turns up with gigabit Ethernet, eSATA, and 4GB of RAM. Synology doesn’t care what its customers want, at all.
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Why upgrade to 2.5? The can F their customers at least a couple of years more
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I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and it’s not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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Synology is gonna be Synology, I’d say 4* 1GbE ports with 1 proprietary 10GbE upgrade.
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I can see you’ve already made space for it given the background
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I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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Good News Synology fan!!! Syngology is no longer using 12yr old CPUs, they are modernising….
….with 10yr old CPUs
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If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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Syno User from Day One – this brand only stands out from Software side. The Hardware is soo boring. I wish they had the Hardware Mindset of QNAP.
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From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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My 1817 has 2x10GBit/s.
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If i cant put whatever harddrive i want in it without issues, synology will need to reconsider themselves in the consumer market.
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Don’t mean to change the subject. Why in the US have all the Synology cameras been out of stock for months? No one is talking about this issue.
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9:02 so they’ll stick Ryzen 1600 like on 923+/1522+ and proprietary 10Gbe mini slot like on 923+/1522+, simple as that 😀
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Thks,
Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.
If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.
What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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I thought the DS1823xs+ was weak with the throttling NVMe. I was hoping the DS1825+ would be better. What a potential letdown.
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this sounds terrible, UGREEN is gonna wipe the floor with them if they get their software right, hardware wise theyre the better option
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If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????
I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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Does it support SHR?
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i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?
NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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Who else here is waiting for a DS925+ or DS425+, with a decent current CPU, a GPU and a >=32GB memory limit?
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At last, I will be able to replace my trusted 1812+. Hope Shr will be present.
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This video cam out JUST in time.
So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
1 × 10 gb port
Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for what’s essentially some plastic, an embedded ryzen from 6 years ago and a couple gigs of ECC sodimms feels like *such* a ripoff.
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I just came for the Seagulls… By the way thank you – Still looking to upgrade my DS918+.
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In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.
Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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If they want a real winner 1 10Gbe, 1 2.5Gbe and 1-2 1 Gbe ports.
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Can we take a moment to say how good looking your background is?
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If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).
Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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Would it be possible to stick 4 NVMe bays on the bottom of the 1625+/1825+?
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Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.
P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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new background for you?? its way better than clutter.
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8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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New look ????
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Damn it, my DS1821+ just arrived!
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I am here for the seagulls
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Love the new studio look! Thank God Synology – about time the 1821 got a refresh.
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Wonderfull, thanks a lot man !!
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????
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Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?
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The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We’ve had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!
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Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge
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Any update with Synology AI?
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sorry, not interested
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This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.
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This was great! More please!
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I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox.
Large enterprises – will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.
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I’m pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don’t have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they’re falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products.
Secondly, I agree with Rob’s summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them.
Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.
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Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.
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Yes it is going that way.
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What you showed in your trip to cimputex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy YouTuber family man with a disk station.
When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step.
I love my disk station and Synology OS but…. Well…. The writing is on the wall.
Seeing all my favorite YouTubers on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.
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I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems ….
Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching?
Primary use, media / Plex
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Synology have already abandoned SOHO/SMB users …..The DS+ series is ancient, they are trying to force their stupid overpriced HDD’s on people and they are relying way too much on DSM to keep their customers but are not getting new customers at the same rate. And as to their foolish enterprise foray they are only a small company that has no hope competing with Dell in the enterprise storage market because they have essentially zero existing relationships with enterprise customers. This video looked to me like 4 guys fence sitting and avoiding saying the obvious because they don’t want to offend Synology …Synology is going downhill chasing a enterprise fantasy that will never happen and is already failing to keep its DSM user base updated with devices that are on a par with competitors. I suspect the winners here are going to be Qnap and Asustor ….
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Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.
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I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I’d like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It’s nice to have, but it ends there.
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They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near “enterprise”.
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That bird tho…
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Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you’ll do a regular gang conversation.
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I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved.
I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs.
I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.
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Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD for which Synology even doesn’t have any comparable product in their line.
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What do you guys think: are the 224+, 423+, 723+, 923+, 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ the last home/small business Synology NAS’es permanently?
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Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher.
If they don’t land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.
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I’m no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast’s roam, the number of “competitors” in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits.
Let’s not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology’s hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors.
DSM is great when you’re not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined.
It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won’t be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast.
If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.
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Come on, was synology ever true enterprise?
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Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don’t overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don’t have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it’s much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example… instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.
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God tier crossover✨
Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast’s Syno’s if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over…would we be screwed?
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All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE.
Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!
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All of my favourite guys in one place.
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20 Petabytes, sounds like an ideal solution for my Plex needs. ???? Does it come with integrated graphics, though? ????
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Good morning when would come the new 924+, is it expected in 2024 or 2025?
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We have several 12-bay racks units for O365 backups. Synology gimps themselves with “enterprise” business decisions soft-locking units to their disks which in enterprise terms is a common practise. However even filling up half a 12-bay with high capacity HDDs you hit a brick wall by not having bigger NVME drives for metadata and caching. These drives are at best prosumer quality with sub-par write endurance for the price. We had to swap the SSDs to higher capacity Samsung drives with real enterprise performance and use the db unlock script to get rid of the alarms.
The DP segment makes sense but the hardware has to catch up to be a credible option.
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qnap been the front runner for a couple years now for my nas. I don’t see that changing soon. I’m a regular consumer maybe prosumer, and I’m not synology’s target customer I don’t think.
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Looking more and more like Apple with it’s lighting cables. Why can’t I use my own hard drives Synology?
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I had problem about my synology nas
And Steve Baker
Technical Support Engineer write me about my problem that
We are sorry to hear that your DS218 has to be reset. This is likely caused by an issue in the DSM operating-system.
We understand that you are worried about losing your data. Please rest assured, your data should not be affected by the reset as the OS and data are stored in separate partitions on the drives. When re-installing the OS, the system should normally not touch the data-partitions of your drives.
I beleived and i did what he said now all my data erased omg i shocked after sir Steve Baker dissepeared i am alone there is nothing in my hands
Synology is regret bad nas choose qnap there isnt good support for problemss !!!
There is no good service and support becarefullll!!!
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Ok, time to look around for another brand.
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Xpenology users are happier as ever
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Can I have a P please Bob?
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You are back already …. Should have waited 2 mins ????
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I’m sure Synology is aware of people waiting for updates of the 15xx, 16xx and 18xx models. Why not give them any insight about their plans or even a heads up on when new models can be exepected without further details. I can only think of one reason, but I really hope I’m wrong.
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3:49: Either its a typo (which should have been fixed) or we now have “RIAD”?
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Who cares about enterprise level stuff …. they are ignoring their core products and user base at a time when competition is getting fiercer. The only they have going for themselves is DSM ….
All this for nothing because they won’t be able to effectively compete in the enterprise space because that business is all about relationships with customers and on a enterprise level …well they don’t have any.
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Can they connect to Home Assistant or Frigate? Is the protocol open? That more important information for me, do I need a Synology NAS to use them? If it does, then I’m staying with Frigate and TrueNAS 😉
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Synology to SOHO users: “you didn’t like our underpowered overpriced hw, our vendor-lock aspirations, our substandard client software? Well f u, we don’t need you, have a nice day!”
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So… They’re targeting businesses who don’t want to pay for IT expertise, with expensive rack mount hardware.
Ok then…
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expesnive stuff not for us :=(
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Yes, need a desktop model.**
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Any legal guarantees?
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This stuff works for me to replace expensive backup solutions. DIY folk seem to miss out on getting used higher end equipment cheap
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Good thing you started working with so many other brands. The 4 comments so far pretty much sums it up how many people care about enterprise stuff on YouTube. At least another 10-15 years before enterprise decision makers are coming to YouTube for research. Mostly boomers in those positions right now and they aren’t watching YouTube to buy equipment for their large business.
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Might be an interest for some business users, but in my experiences, such customer might want more flexibility and customisation then this solution can perhaps offer.
And, again in my experiences, such customer do know their stuff, they don’t need Synology to take away or circumvent those expertises.
I do expect a few challenges; What when one of those platforms changes, major changes are made, this product likely will need an update/chance? (too)
What about malware, where the initial backup is clean and you are backing-up an infected source? Any measures taken to check upon the source not being infected?
Protection is not (only) backing-up IMHO.
I get the impression they have put on a business-sauce onto an existing solution. And which perhaps might appeal to some customers.
Making products (and services) that only serve niche customers is nowadays a risky choice. I think.
Let’s see if this still exists in 3 ~ 4 years time.
I wonder what Synology is thinking about, what their aim is.
To simplify things?
To me it looks like that Synology is aiming for enterprise (full swing), and hopefully such pants are not too big for them. (and keep the braces handy, just in case)
I look forward to more in-depth information. But with my 20+ years and PT’s of data, the amount of backups I have lost can be counted on a few fingers of a hand…
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Synology appears to be forsaking the bread and butter users, the masses that made Synology what they are. In stead, they are courting the Enterprise market now, seeking the massive profits that come with that market sector.
Synology need to be careful here. The optics of losing interest in the home/prosumer/SMB market will come back to bite them if users feel abandoned and ignored.
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Data Protection!
Muahahahahaha hahahahahahaha! We’ll see how long until that “data protection” security is broken and / or circumvented.
Just another thing to sell to businesses.
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*Update* – Since I recorded and edited this video (both times!) a little more information has arisen about ActiveProtect and the DP series (regarding ActiveBackup, Pricing, and Scope). There will be a follow-up video on this one next week and it will be a very special video! In the meantime, you can watch the full summary video on the Synology 2024 event I made yesterday here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_gtEGRDJY
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In my business we have a RS1221+ and that’s enough to handle the backups and a couple of dockers images we don’t want to deploy in our on site kubernetes cluster. I am looking at upgrading it, though, and I’m looking at the RS2821+ as a good place to go. But it’s just too old now. And it’s the same for the RS4021xs+ which would also be an option. It bugs me that they don’t have any upgrades for what used to be their core business but seem completely focused on new areas – this is generally not a good sign for a business, whether it is for them or not remains to be seen. Sure, a new RS2824+ (and all the other models that should be updated) isn’t very sexy, but it is overdue – not doing it is a sad statement in itself.
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Can you please clean your phone/camera lenses before filming. Every time you take your phone out to record someting, wipe the lens on your trousers/sleeve. 95% of this video looks like it’s filmed with an inch of Vaseline on the lens!
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I’ve been watching this channel for months debating on a DIY build or just getting a Synology, but was waiting to see some new models, dunno how much longer I’ll wait for them to release a new 4 or 5 bay, was really hoping my first NAS would be running DSM
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Who’s designing these? Look like A/C units from the 50s…
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Seems very weak. They need to shape up.
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I think these are rebadged, the storage would be Seagate, and the switch will be rebadged Cisco or similar. Even the HPE MSA and Dell ME4 are Seagate-based, HPE and others modify the storage management software, features and brand it their own. I’m concerned that Synology constantly falls behind on hardware, with poor excuses for the lack of 2.5gb, 5gb as standard, and rely on improvements in software to carry them, software good, hardware poor.
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It’s nice to see that they’re finally expanding to the enterprise space. Hopefully they do not mess up the roadmap and properly test their features before release rather than to pull the plug after the fact.
I’ve been bitten once when deploying an additional RS2818RP+ for a customer back in 2020 where the first unit supported 200TB volume (if the memory was upgraded, which we did) but the second unit didn’t because Synology silently removed support for volumes exceeding 108TB in their DSM updates without any notifications.
They didn’t indicate this change in any release notes or changelogs and we only found out when we had tried to deploy the 2nd unit 6 months later.
Their support email response literally just amounted to “Welp… We removed the support for larger volumes because there may be some performance issues; good luck” – thankfully, we could still manually create and format the volume via SSH.
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I’m interested in picking up the ds 1821+ and upgrading to 10 gb port and renewed 22 tb seagate ironwolf hhd and using the ssd for cache. It’ll be primarily used as a media storage pool (mp3s and mp4s files will take up roughly 70 tb)
What would that be the best decision? This is my first Nas purchase, and I have been following your channel for a while now. I feel like you’re the best to ask as a professional who’s unbiased.
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I’m sorry Synology is about to find out what real competition is like…. the fact they think they can go toe to toe with enterprise level vendors is showing me they are utterly delusional. Looks like they dumped on their user base to go in other uncharted directions …. Hello Asustor
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I was really hopping for nvme for home
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I’m happy to see more cameras. I’m slowly migrating most of my camera fleet (no more Chinese cameras) to Synology. I’m disappointed that they don’t have a PTZ yet. I’ve been very pleased with the image quality and AI features of their cameras. I recently had to replace a dead 4 bay, and got a DS1821+ . I had been waiting for the next 8 bay DS+ to come out, but fate didn’t let me. They still haven’t replaced it yet. So, I don’t feel so bad.
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The trouble dear Mr Synology (or QNAP for example) is that the established Large enterprise storage vendors have decades of experience in their market segment and have done the things you are just providing now, for ever. So why would I choose you? I think you should stick to home user, soho/ super techy user and small business.
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My next NAS upgrade will be a UGREEN ????
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UGH! I need a proper DROBO replacement. A DAS that’s USB 3.2Gen 2 or Thunderbolt 3 or 4 speeds and able to swap out drives as you needed to increase the storage pool. If there is a solution out there I have missed it! Love the coverage, Thanks!
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How to kill your product in 2024 slap a subscription on top. I buy equipment annually for roughly 450k and I’m fed up with all subscriptions. I want to own my own infrastructure.
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It was a good decision to buy the Ugreen Nas. Unfortunately there is nothing new from Synology for private users
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O well, time to drop synology for home, im due for drive upgrades so will take the opportunity to build my own nas, time to work, been checking the videos here, many excellent suggestions
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offloading AI to third-party isn’t really a problem, I can easily run LLM locally on a PC/server, definitely more secure/private solution than going some (paid) online service, and easier to scale out than proprietary in-the-box solution
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Still feel like something is going to drop this year for 5-8 bay desktop units, notice the 1522+ and 1821+ aren’t in stock on amazon (as if there is a pause before the new models come into play)
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I had a feeling new cameras were coming considering how low stock the initial ones were.
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Their current business practices means they are a no buy decision.
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Synology is not for consumers any more.
I could kick myself for changing from QNAP to Synology.
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I already get my ‘active protect’ from my Firewalla with no subscription fee! ????
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Long live the 1821+ ????
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Why does the computex void look like you are laid on the bathroom floor ????
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Synology can’t talk about their prosumer products because it’s a very competitive market. The new intel and amd product line will have a hard impact on what’s to come. There are more than enough enterprise and consumers out there that Synology won’t want to lose. They have to be quiet until release date. It’s just smart business tbh.
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6:08 man that was scary
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those fuckers synology took our money and said thank you all to support us and now drop us like we are no more good for them ! thank you synology !
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Can you use locally hosted LLMs for the AI? The whole idea to have a Synology is to have my data private.
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Thanks for the video, but disappointing as prosumer. Was hoping for a DS1825+, but if doesn’t come soon will look at other options. Nice to see a 4K camera but prefer turrets.
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I was hoping for a refresh on the 8 bay 1821+. Maybe they still will. I also understand the big money is in mid to large corporate solutions so maybe they just focused on that and will still do a refresh for us small prosumers.
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ds1525+ ???
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To me, all this tech is a bet on a high AI invested world and user dependence on corporate Enterprise services.
CCTV and insanely high end massive server stacks.
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If we were hoping to see DS1825+ and Synology walks away from us, what do you recommend? Home built?
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So business-friendly that I’m still waiting for Active Backup for Business to support Debian 12 that was released a year ago. Being so far behind the notoriously slow Debian release cycle takes some serious neglect…..
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I guess they are okay with the likes of ugreen taking over the home and small business market with their lack of offerings for that area and lack of competitive price/performance.
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The bullet cam has optical zoom and license plate detection
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did it feel like there was a gap in the exhibition where small business NAS solutions could have been presented? I could imagine that Synology is rethinking their upcomming devices on the hardware side due to the emerging competition.
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1:14: Is that a Synology branded switch above the GS6200 label?
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Nothing for home users ????
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I was hoping to see a RAID SSD Beestation or similar….
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Was waiting for this!!
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So, in short, no (hardware) refresh for the consumer nor promuser nor SMB from Synology. (for the moment?)
And they are aiming for enterprise more & more, so it seems. Plus (optional) subscriptions.
(to me a personal a rabbit-hole I try to avoid, but inevitable nowadays, where you own nothing)
I am an enterprise user but to date I really have not seen appealing arguments that would make me re-consider Synology, sorry!
I will watch their stream(s) to find out more details.
But I guess no golden nuggets from Synology.
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No new small business nases?????
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I am on the waitlist for the RS1224+ or RP+, however if nothing is happening or they upgrade to atleast 4×25 Gbe or at least one 10gbe, and a decent processor, i’ll move on to Qnap of something in that leauge. I operate a RS1221+ where I work and it rung fine but synology needs to wake up, or just keep sleeping for the next decade….
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Frankly, at this point I am no longer interested in a Synology NAS unless it comes with a bare minimum of 2.5Gbe Network connection in it’s base configuration for Systems witht 4-6 bays and 10Gbe for 8+ bays.
1Gbe is suitable for 2 bay systems at best but that speed is unacceptable for prosumers and small businesses and it has been for almost a decade by now. Today you get LTE-modems with integrated 2.5Gbe Port switches from your ISP for heavens sake.
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I’m one of those users… Ugh, if it gets delayed till 2025 that would be wild.
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Shonger lorther
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Still no news!
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do you think it could run plex well including the transcoding, `?
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I just got 2 x 1221RP+ for work as we needed it ASAP, and I knew the new one was coming, rather annoyed.
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Would love to see a review of qnap TS-855eU
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Also, will the new NAS devices (DS, RS, etc.) only support Synology drives from now on? ????
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I would much rather buy rack mount if that were possible, so this product interests me. Do I stick with the DS923+ I have just ordered, or send it back and wait for this?
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Synology come on give us some love ????
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And where is the successor to the RS1619xs+ which they still sell but REFUSE to add support for WORM. I have two of these that I can’t use WORM with.
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thanks for all the great videos. I have a question for you – I currently have a DS918+ and don’t really have an idea of the shelf life on a unit like this. Should I be looking to upgrade this thing or do you think I can hold out for a while longer? Thanks
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10Gbe standard with onboard dual NVME slots with a add-on card ability for trans-coding all video formats.
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Well, everyone is going to have a different opinion but to my mind if you need a new NAS today, buy what’s in front of you today. If you project forward to what an RS1224+ might look like my own thoughts would go like this…
a) faster processor but seeing as my 1221+ usage is typically at less than 2% what does it matter? Maybe it’s a little cooler/energy efficient – no foreseeable gain b) Maybe 10GbE but I need 2 of them for LCAP. Looking at the DS1823xs+ with 1 x 10GbE I doubt 2 ports so I’d probably need to buy a card anyway – no gain c) Fan will be the same so I’ll need to swap them out for Nocutuas for the noise – no gain d) Same pre-installed memory, same warning when I don’t use Synology memory upgrades – no gain d) HDD/SSD support will probably be tightened – big loss
So while I’d buy an RS1224+ if that were the current product, I don’t particularly feel I’d be advantaged by it over an RS1221+. If they released one with 12 or 16 x 2.5″ bays instead of 8 x 3.5″ bays then I’d be all over it in a second! Though I doubt we’d ever see that.
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when it does show up it’ll probably have way behind the curve hardware like an older processor and only a single 1G ethernet port. Synology is falling way behind quickly.
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Perfect with ikea lack rack
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My DS1817+ died in November, I’ve a home make server two and the DS1817+ synced with that but I need to replace the DS1817+ (hopefully the drives are okay, I’ve dual redundancy so fingers crossed) but I’m waiting for the DS1824+ like many others I suspect. Could I use the RS1224+ instead? would it read my disks from the DS1817+? Come on Synology tell us a little about the roadmap…
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I was asking the same thing too. What I would like to see is a 1U version of a DS920/DS923 with a minimal depth list the RS422+ or RS1221+. The RS422+ only has 2GB.
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Hey man can you send me the link of Erying i9. I only found mbo over 700€ on Ali…
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Very bad marketing on Synology’s part. They should announce the roadmaps and commit to it, that is how you gain and obtain customers.
By not telling anything, you leave a lot of uncertainties and that is one thing as a manufacturer you should avoid. Full stop.
If I would take a wild guess, and would explain the conflicting information, there might be a problem with supply (chipset?) and hence why Synology might be desperate in trying to find a solution to resolve that but that is a very difficult challenge nowadays. When the final design is committed to be the production-version, changing e.g a chipset might at times mean back to square one, i.e. redesign of the initial design and all of that does take a lot of time.
But again, a wild guess on my part.
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The zero communication from synology is shit. People need to make choices and they are crapping on customers who upgrade to an older unit and a week later theyll finally release a new one. They need to get a roadmap people should demand it.
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Right I’m in desperate need of a replacement and about to go somewhere else.
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Where the hell is an Active Backup for Business client agent for Linux kernel versions above 5.15? There are lots of people asking for it, but Synology are silent.
I think Synology are slowly but surely failing in so many ways. My DS920+ will probably outlast me, but I’ll never buy another Synology product.
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And where is the DS1824+ and the DS1624+ Synology???? I’m so annoyed about this intransparency and that no official communication or roadmap exists. The customers don’t know whether to buy an old version now or to wait. Really annoying
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How to integrate this optional ai?
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I wonder what AI used in this way will mean for communication. I mean, what’s the point if you receive an informal e-mail from a friend that was written by a computer?
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AI is going crazy! Wonder when it will be integrated into finance to pick stocks or betting at the horse races?! ????
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They really need to work on the Photos app
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No thanks.
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It would be great if there was something like an AI firewall, AI antivirus and other security applications where AI would identify an attack and be able to take actions to defend the system and data, without user involvement and 24/7.
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No seagulls….???????????????? ????????????
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I like this as part of Synology Office and mail. That’s where I see AI being the most useful today. Now all they need is a neuromorphic chip or built in accelerator to push this AI to the edge and have it built into the NAS. Kind of like our spell checkers. You have one locally on your pc that works w/o a network connection in a word processor, then for a larger library it can connect to a server if a network connection is available. If “AI” doesn’t blow out like “Blockchain” and crash like Crypto (All FADS do). Then in 10 years we will see it built into our office devices. I wonder what sort of NEW security concerns this will bring about? I can see it being banned or highly restricted in government use.
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