EVERYTHING We Know About Synology NAS Hardware and Software for 2024-2025
Synology has always been the ‘Apple’ of the NAS industry, approaching the launch of their newest hardware/software releases with a sense of gravitas and importance (global launch events, hosted digital streams, etc) that is only matched by the sheer blanket of secrecy they maintain on their upcoming solutions. However, with many of their NAS systems refreshed every 2-3 years, many new NAS buyers (or those looking to upgrade) are always keen to know whether the current range of solutions that are available are the best option, or should they wait a little longer for the launch of a new and exciting follow-up? Likewise, the Synology DSM platform (arguably the jewel in the crown of Synology’s platform) sees regular updates and improvements to both the GUI itself and the range of features and services that are included in it’s wonderfully detailed ecosystem. Generally, when it comes to the software, Synology opt for minor updates almost monthly, noticeable platform/app upgrades every 4-6 months and significant widespread updates (eg DSM 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0?) every year or two. The hardware on the other hand is a different story. Around July/August every year, we see the year/naming convention shift towards the next annual period (i.e DS910+ > DS923+ > DS925+) and it is THOSE new hardware releases that most users take the most interest it. Rackmount and 6-8+ Bay SMB systems have been mostly absent in the 2023/2024 series of Diskstation and Rackstation (I’m looking at you RS1224+), so this is likely something we are going to see refreshes for in the 2nd half of 2024. So, I have made this page to allow me to aggregate all information that we (me and Eddie who run NASCompares), to keep in one place.
The following list of articles, links and information will be periodically updated as new information appears and you can add your email address at the bottom of the page if you want to get immediate alerts when these updates arrive (no need to make any account etc, it’s just a notification tool).
LAST UPDATED, Wednesday 23rd April 2025
Synology DS925+ NAS Released (in the EAST) NOW
Following early retailer listings and semi-official leaks earlier this year, the Synology DS925+ NAS has now been formally launched in Eastern markets, including Taiwan, Japan, and China. With full documentation and product pages now publicly available, we finally have confirmation of the system’s complete hardware and software capabilities, as well as early indications of pricing and the compatibility of Hard Drives and SSDs (something of a hot button topic of late). As expected, this system builds on the DS923+’s foundation but introduces key changes that shift its performance profile and position within the Synology portfolio once again!
| Specification | Details |
|---|---|
| Model | Synology DS925+ |
| CPU | AMD Ryzen V1500B (Quad-Core, 8 Threads) |
| CPU Frequency | 2.2 GHz (Base Clock) |
| TDP | 16W |
| Memory (Default/Max) | 4GB DDR4 ECC (Expandable up to 32GB via 2 x SODIMM slots) |
| Drive Bays | 4 x 3.5”/2.5” SATA HDD/SSD |
| M.2 NVMe Slots | 2 x M.2 NVMe Gen 3 (Cache only; storage pools only with Synology SSDs) |
| RAID Support | Basic, JBOD, RAID 0, 1, 5, 6, 10 |
| Network Ports | 2 x 2.5GbE RJ-45 (Link Aggregation & Failover supported) |
| Max Link Speed | Up to 5GbE with SMB Multichannel or LAG |
| PCIe Slot | Not available |
| 10GbE Upgrade Option | Not supported |
| USB Ports | 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gbps) |
| Expansion Port | DX525 via USB-C (6Gbps interface) |
| eSATA Support | Not available (replaced by USB-C) |
| File System | Btrfs, EXT4 |
| Max Concurrent Connections | ~2,048 (depending on workload) |
| Virtualization Support | VMware, Citrix, Microsoft Hyper-V, Docker |
| Surveillance Station | Supported |
| Hardware Transcoding | No integrated GPU (no hardware-accelerated transcoding) |
| Power Supply | External 90W Adapter |
| Cooling | 2 x 92mm Fans |
| Noise Level | ~20.3 dB(A) |
| Chassis Material | Metal & Plastic |
| Dimensions (HxWxD) | 166 x 199 x 223 mm |
| Weight (Without Drives) | ~2.2 kg |
| Operating Temperature | 5°C – 40°C |
| Operating System | Synology DSM 7.2+ |
| Estimated Price | £550 (Amazon UK, including VAT) |
| Warranty | 3 Years Standard (5 Years with Extended Warranty) |
Original Article HERE on NASCompares and HERE on YouTube
Synology is closing the gap on third-party hard drive support further in 2025
UPDATE 3 – Synology has now made the DS925+ NAS NAS Product Page live in several of the Eastern regions (China, Australia, Japan – not the Taiwan page yet however). With it, we can now see the official compatibility pages. On the hard drive page there is now only Synology Drive media, and the option to select supported 3rd party HDD choices is removed. For all we know, this will return if/when 3rd party drives from WD and Seagate are verified. But at least for now, it seems the brand is serious about only recommending its own storage media in their 2025 systems at launch:
The full list of drives includes the Synology Plus series of HDDs, the Enterprise class drives and the enterprise class SATA SSDs. However, there are currently no Surveillance class drives listed (WD Purple/Seagate Skyhawk, etc):
In terms of M.2 NVMe SSD support, the brand has also removed any selection of 3rd party SSDs from Samsung, WD, Seagate, etc. I am particularly surprised about this, as their own M.2 drives are good for durability, but performance-wise are much lower than most in the market and whether it is as caching drives or as storage pools, there are definitely a lot of good options in the market. I hope Synology roll out some performance class SSDs to compensate for this very soon.
| UPDATE 2 (22/04) – I have been in communication with several representatives from Synology regarding this matter to get further clarification on this from them. The following statement was provided by a senior Synology representative and provided publicly with their consent :
“Synology’s storage systems have been transitioning to a more appliance-like business model. Starting with the 25-series, DSM will implement a new HDD compatibility policy in accordance with the published Product Compatibility List. Only listed HDDs are supported for new system installations. This policy is not retroactive and will not affect existing systems and new installations of already released models. Drive migrations from older systems are supported with certain limitations. As of April 2025, the list will consist of Synology drives. Synology intends to constantly update the Product Compatibility List and will introduce a revamped 3rd-party drive validation program.” Reason for the new Synology HCL Policy: Each component in a Synology storage solution is carefully engineered and tested to maintain data security and reliability. Based on customer support statistics over the past few years, the use of validated drives results in nearly 40% fewer storage-related issues and faster issue diagnostics and resolution.
By adhering to the Product Compatibility List, we can significantly reduce the variances introduced by unannounced manufacturing changes, firmware modifications, and other variations that are difficult for end-users and Synology to identify, much less track. Over the past few years, Synology has steadily expanded its storage drive ecosystem, collaborating with manufacturing partners to ensure a stable and consistent lineup of drives with varying capacities and competitive price points. Synology intends to expand its offerings and is committed to maintaining long-term availability, which is not available with off-the-shelf options. We understand that this may be a significant change for some of our customers and are working on ways to ease the transition. Synology is already collaborating with our partners to develop a more seamless purchasing experience, while maintaining the initial sizing and post-install upgrade flexibility that DSM platforms are renowned for.” – Senior Synology Representative on the record. |
Original Article HERE on NASCompares and HERE on YouTube
New Synology NAS for First Half of 2025 Revealed – DS925+, DS1825XS+, DS625Slim, DS1525+, DS425+, DS225+, DS1825+, RS2825RP+, DX525 and More
After what seems like quite a while for many, we have finally got pretty large confirmation that Synology are refreshing a large number of their Desktop (and a couple of Rackmount systems) devices – as well as launching a few new storage media options. This new information arrives via ChipHell user ‘nineeast‘ in a recent forum post. I am still in the process of identifying the event that the photo below was taken from, but given the preponderance of people taking photos, it won’t be long before this spreads further. This is of course the potential that this is a hoax… but (as you will see later in the article) the chiphell post is not the only source. Nevertheless, it looks like Synology are getting set to refresh a huge number of solutions, launching their DS925+, DS425+, DS225+, DS1525+, DS1825+, DS725+, DS625slim, DS1825xs+ and RS2825RP+ between now and Summer 2025. So, let’s discuss what these refreshed devices bring and whether they deserve your data.
Credit to nineeast on Chiphell forum
Read the article on the Synology NAS 2025 Refreshes
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology 2025 NAS Hardware Refreshes
*Update* In order to better track each of the new Synology NAS revealed at this event, I have made update pages for each device below. Additionally, as mentioned in the video, I am canvassing user feedback on these new releases (ideally existing Synology NAS users and/or SIs – system integrators) for a follow up video soon. put your feedback in the comments below or in the Reddit thread HERE
- Synology DS925+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds925-nas-news/
- Synology DS1525+ NAS Leak https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1525-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS425+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS1825+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825-nas-news/
- Synology DS425+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS1825xs+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825xs-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS225+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds225-nas-revealed/
- Synolgoy DS625slim 6-Bay NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synolgoy-ds625slim-6-bay-nas-revealed/
- Synology DS725+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds725-nas-revealed/
New Synology BeeStation BST170-8T Confirmed and Revealed at CES, Pepcom
The range of solutions on offer from Synology, arguably the most popular brand in the world of Network Attached Storage (NAS), is pretty diverse. Though the brand has been rather restrained in recent years in terms of its consumer hardware, they are still one of the most well-regarded brands in terms of their user-friendly and responsive software. Last year, we saw the brand launch a new entry-level pre-populated NAS series called the BeeStation BST150-4T. This was a separate product line from their popular DSM-equipped systems in the DiskStation series, instead arriving with a much more streamlined home/consumer-level platform called BSM (Beestation Manager).
| Category | Specification |
|---|---|
| Model | Synology Beestation Plus (BST170-8T) |
| Storage | 1-bay, pre-populated with 8TB Synology HAT3310 Plus Series HDD |
| Expandable Storage | Not expandable; HDD is non-replaceable (warranty void if removed) |
| Form Factor | Compact, matte black casing; fanless design |
| Processor | Intel Celeron J4125 (Quad-Core, 2.0–2.7 GHz, x86 architecture, integrated graphics) |
| Memory | 4GB DDR4 |
| Cooling | Passive cooling (no fans, silent operation) |
| Ports | 1 x USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gb/s) + 1x USB-A 3.2 5Gb/s |
| 1 x 1GbE RJ45 Ethernet port | |
| Network Speed | 1Gbps |
| Software | Beestation Manager (BSM) |
| Features | – Multimedia conversions (HEIC/HEVC support; official extension may be required) |
| – BeeFiles and BeePhotos applications | |
| Power Consumption | (To be confirmed, but expected to be low due to fanless design and single HDD) |
| Target Audience | Entry-level users, home/consumer storage needs |
| Release Date | Expected Q1 2025 (TBC) |
| Price | Approx. $399 (ESTIMATED!) |
Read the article on the Synology BeeStation BST170-8T
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology BST170-8T
New Synology DP320 ActiveProtect Desktop NAS Review Now Live
The Synology DP320 represents a notable departure from Synology’s established NAS lineup, introducing a device tailored specifically for backup and disaster recovery under the new ActiveProtect platform. For years, Synology’s desktop NAS systems have been synonymous with versatility, powered by the robust DSM operating system that supports a wide array of applications and configurations. However, with the DP320 and its siblings in the ActiveProtect series, Synology is pivoting toward a more focused, purpose-built approach. This shift raises questions about how it fits within the company’s broader ecosystem and its implications for the future of Synology’s hardware and software offerings.
The DP320 is one of several new additions to Synology’s ActiveProtect lineup, joining models like the DP340 and DP7400. Unlike traditional Synology NAS devices, the DP320 is not powered by DSM and does not aim to be a multi-purpose solution. Instead, it is built solely for use with Synology’s ActiveProtect Manager, a specialized platform designed to centralize and simplify data protection. This streamlined focus makes the DP320 a dedicated backup appliance rather than a general-purpose server, a design choice that reflects Synology’s intent to address the growing demand for robust, business-specific data protection tools. However, this specialization also raises concerns among long-time Synology users about the narrowing scope of its capabilities.
Read the article on the Synology DP320 NAS Review
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology DP320 NAS Review
New Synology BeeStation BST170 Model with Intel x86 Architecture Leaked
For those that have been a pinch concerned fo late that Synology was starting to move out of the Intel-powered home NAS market, there has seemingly been something of a flicker of good news appearing inadvertently on the official Synology Download pages. Eagle-eyed Reddit User Gummibando managed to spot that a new DSM system firmware image appeared very briefly, before it’s removal shortly after it was shared online. Namely ‘BSM_BST170-8T_65371.pat ‘ – which reveals that Synology have a new Beestation model (denoted by the BSM_BST model ID) that, upon even further digging into the official pages, revealed that alongside this new model IS, that a newly specced out Beestation model in 8TB is coming at some point in the future. So, let’s discuss these findings, what else we have learned about the BST170, and what else we can surmise from the surrounding clues! Let’s go.
Read the article on the Synology BeeStation BST170-8T NAS Leak HERE
Watch the YouTube video on the Synology BST170-8T Leak HERE
Synology Solution Exhibition LiveStream
Synology Enterprise Data Management Annual Conference. This was a live stream from Synology Taiwan, that outlined where the company is currently ‘at’ and where they plan on going.
From Synology (translated): It will bring four exciting theme agendas, please join us to discuss the four major applications – data storage and management , data and workload protection , teamproductivity , the latest application demand trends and optimal deployment of #intelligent image surveillance Strategy , you will understand how Synology can create more value for your enterprise from data management and improve operational efficiency. Below is the live stream:
These conference events will be taking place globally soon.
Synology in 2025 – Predictions, Leaks, Rumours and Releases Video
The video discusses predictions and rumours for Synology’s 2025 product lineup, focusing on anticipated hardware updates and potential shifts in the company’s strategy. Key models like the DS1825+, DS925+, and RS1625XS+/DS1625xs+ are expected to see minor upgrades, such as the addition of 2.5 GBE ports and USB Type-C, but without significant changes to their core hardware, particularly CPUs. There’s concern that these updates may not meet user expectations, especially in the absence of more powerful processing capabilities. Additionally, Synology might introduce new products like a five-bay DX525 expansion unit with USB Type-C and a larger capacity Bee Station model, potentially with RAID mirroring (though the leaked part number could easily just be the same 1-Bay with a larger base HDD). Software developments include the DSM 7.2.2 update, which could introduce the AI Admin Console (in beta) but might also lead to the depreciation of certain multimedia codecs (HEVC, ACC and VC1), pushing users towards third-party solutions like Plex. Synology’s AI integration, particularly through third-party APIs, raises privacy concerns, with a preference among users for in-house solutions.
The video also highlights the continued shift in Synology’s focus towards enterprise markets, which might impact the development and support of SMB and home user products. The Active Protect series, a license-based backup solution, is speculated to eventually replace the free Active Backup Suite down the road, reflecting a broader move towards subscription-based services. Despite growing demand and availability from competitors of all-flash desktop NAS solutions, Synology seems hesitant to invest in this area, potentially missing out on a key market opportunity. The hosts express cautious optimism about Synology’s future, noting that while the company may continue to strengthen its backup and AI-driven solutions, there’s a risk that traditional users might feel sidelined by the brand’s increasing focus on enterprise products and services.
Find out more in the video below:
A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user – as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Now, if we wanted to be cautious and ‘benefit of the doubt’ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ – but Synology does tend to float ‘test’ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Find out more in the Video and article below:
Read About it HERE in the Article
Is Synology Focusing Too Much on Enterprise?
With Synology making more and more moves towards the enterprise sector, I decided to host a panel with 3 prominent voices in the Synology social ecosystem to discuss the question “Has Synology Become TOO Enterprise?”. Alongside myself (Robbie @ NASCompares) I invited Will (AKA Spacerex), Frank (AKA Wundertech Tutorials) and Luka (AKA Blackvoid and Synoforum) to discuss, among many things, the new Synology Product line up, the GS and AP platforms, their moves in Surveillance and AI, and also whether Synology can cut it in the enterprise sector right now? It’s a long discussion, but I think you will enjoy it, as I thin kit gives a tremendous range of perspectives and logic to the Synology Enterprise moves in 2024:
The Synology GS Series Unveiled
Synology is no stranger to large-scale storage. Last year, we saw the long-developed rollout of the High Density series (premiering a 60 Bay 4U Rackmount solution) and further refreshes in the Synology RS and SA series. However, it would appear that Synology has even loftier goals, with the launch of the Synology GS series – designed to massively scale up towards XX nodes (demonstrated as GS6400 rackmount devices) that, when clustered together, can scale up to an insane 20 Petabyte groups.
We are still awaiting details on the storage capacity scaling (i.e., will they arrive in pre-designated storage configurations), but they will no doubt roll out supporting the Synology HAT5310/HAS5310 Enterprise drives up to 20TB. The GS series appears to be in a slightly modified chassis (numeric LED panel and vent fascia) but seemingly will be using similar hardware/architecture to existing EPYC-powered systems already in the Synology RS/SA portfolio. Additionally, as the scale of the GS Clusters is so large, Synology are rolling out a dedicated GS Cluster switch to coordinate the whole thing. Pricing and capacity details are still TBC!
The Synology DP Series and ActiveProtect
Synology really made some noise on this one, and frankly, I can see why. The Data Protection series is a new tier of their portfolio that exclusively focuses on backup management, fast deployment, and simplicity. Arriving in rackmount hardware form (at least at launch), these systems will NOT arrive with DSM (the operating system of the majority of Synology NAS systems) but instead a dedicated backup appliance called ActiveProtect.
It appears to consolidate the features and functions of several parts of the Synology ecosystem (in particular Active Backup) in order to create a 10-minute setup backup solution for businesses who need robust and easily configurable backup management for:
- Local PC/Mac/Linux client machines
- Synology and 3rd Party Linux Server backups
- Cloud-Based Software as a Service (SaaS) data, such as Google Workspace and Microsoft 365
- Hyper-V/VMware virtual machines
The architecture of the ActiveProtect system also features a number of impressive restoration services built in, ranging from deploying backups of your cloud source VMs to a local VM deployed on the NAS and WORM-protected backups, to simple file/folder restoration and deduplication.
That last one is extra important, as not only does a single DP system with ActiveProtect deduplicate backed-up data in its immediate network circle, but when you deploy multiple DP systems across multiple sites in your business’ physical geography (i.e., sites globally) and have a dedicated target backup for them all, it will further deduplicate the data being sent from all those other DP systems too. You can find out more about the Synology DP series and ActiveProtect in the article below:
[Click Link to ActiveProtect Article]
Synology Unveils Its AI Integration with AI Console
This is something I think most of us saw coming! The integration of AI assistant services and AI language models into the majority of platforms we use on a daily basis has been pretty much non-stop these last 12-18 months, and it comes as no surprise that Synology is now moving into this. But to their credit, they have not rushed into this. In fact, although we saw very tentative steps and early demonstrations of where they would like it to go at their Taipei event in 2023 (see video HERE), they have not rushed into this. The Synology AI Console is their integration of AI assistant tools into a number of their collaboration tools, namely Synology Mail Plus, Office, and Chat.
These tools are designed to provide services that are tailored to these applications – not just a glossy portal/GUI with ChatGPT and other LLMs behind it. Such as the ability to provide a summary of larger email chains, provide context and proofreading of documents, craft responses to communication that are tonally appropriate, and more. Additionally, they state that the AI services will be completely optional, off by default, individually enabled, and have a framework in place that prevents sensitive information from being used in AI-generated content. The extent to how this is controlled and adapted by the system owner is yet to be fully confirmed, as is the level of control that is provided to the Synology NAS owner with regard to the AI’s reference points internally.
Video from a Synology event in 2023:
They do highlight that support of existing popular AI models that include ChatGPT, Microsoft Azure AI, and Google Gemini will be available when the service is launched (in beta, I assume), but I will be interested to see how far the brand will be willing to take AI integration (especially if they are going to allow flexibility in the AI models a user can connect with) as the ability to use AI tools with storage filing services, more creative search categorization, and analysis of system logs. We will have to wait and see… DSM 8?
Synology C2 Surveillance Station and Cloud Cameras
Although Synology has quite a few different apps and services in DSM, one of the most polished and universally praised examples is Surveillance Station. All Synology NAS systems that run DSM also include the Surveillance Station applications and the ability to add multiple cameras. However, 2 years ago, when Synology rolled out C2 Surveillance (a cloud failover and dual recording platform to be used in conjunction with SS), it was only a question of time before they went the extra step and created a ‘direct to cloud’ version of their Surveillance Station platform – C2 Surveillance Station.
This is a cloud-based UI of Surveillance Station that allows users to deploy Synology C2 cameras that record directly to the C2 Cloud. Now, there is an argument that this is something that other camera brands have always offered (i.e., a camera and a cloud subscription for recordings), and many choose Synology for their surveillance/CCTV as they have an in-house surveillance system in a DSM NAS.
However, that does not apply to everyone, and there are several different deployments that could see the benefits of a Synology surveillance system, but without deploying a Synology network storage appliance, such as:
- Building sites, where the network and PoE structure of surveillance cameras are not present
- Locations with a largely exclusive wireless network
- Mobile setups that require camera security, but have a regularly changing physical location
- Users who want the user-friendly surveillance UI of Surveillance Station, but are not interested in purchasing more than the physical cameras
Needless to say, after this initial reveal, there is still the question of pricing, i.e., will the cameras require a monthly storage subscription? Do the cameras support use for local Synology NAS Surveillance deployment as an option? We will have to wait and see closer to the physical launch.
New Fisheye Camera and 8MP Bullet Camera
New Synology Flash NVMe and HDD Hybrid Rackmount (Still Early Development)
Where is the Synology RS1224+ Rackstation?
Synology is arguably one of the most popular brands in the entire private server market, and once you then factor in the large number of small and medium-sized businesses migrating away from cloud services and onto their own private NAS, who have been flocking in their droves towards Synology, you can understand why they are something of a big deal. Almost 25 years, the brand has been producing numerous desktop and rackmount NAS solutions (alongside a bunch of other side hustles like routers, storage media, business surveillance tools, and more), but in particular, their growth in the rackmount market in the last 5 to 7 years has been genuinely impressive. Which brings us to the subject of today’s article, where the hell is the Synology RS1224+ RackStation NAS? There has been an undeniable shift in the home lab and small business community away from desktop NAS devices and towards small-scale rackmount solutions, and Synology’s recent releases have certainly capitalized on this, thanks to improved smaller-scale four and eight-bay rackmount servers appearing in their product portfolio.
This combined with changes in the baseline hardware of several of their more recent releases have led to many users looking for a very specific kind of Synology rackmount! It has to be compact, it has to be powerful, it has to be scalable, and it has to be reasonably priced – currently, Synology only provides one solution that fits the bill in every regard, the 2020/2021 released RS1221+, which, despite its merits, is still a system that is almost 3 years old, leading many to question the benefits of investing in a system that is perhaps not as cutting edge as the rest of Synology’s portfolio currently stands. The answer, of course? A refresh (something Synology tends to do with their portfolio every two to three years), which would be the Synology RS1224+. Today we want to discuss everything we know, confirm this unit is coming, the expectations we have, and whether it’s worth waiting for it.
Read About it HERE in the Article
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You can find out more about Synology and their plans for their 2024 series by visiting our friends over on Blackvoid HERE
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I understand and appreciate that you’re trying to take a “facts only” position for the purpose of this video. Having said that, absolutely everyone understands what Synology’s real plan is here, and giving them “the benefit of the doubt” is denying obvious reality.
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At this moment it looks like a money grab by Synology. How can they say that a non-Synology drive that has run 24x7x365 with zero issues for years in a plus series device is suddenly inferior and not good enough? How dare they.
Asustor is probably my next purchase. After that my DS923+ will be for sale.
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ok, nice lying from those crooks to force their own products on us. that’s why you will never ever see any data. hope they get the worst product launch in their history. it is such a shame how incapable monkeys on the top can destroy a good brand.
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I would be 100% okay if Synology put a big WARNING that only their drives are compatible, and if you install unverified 3rd party you get ZERO support. Fine, self support on reddit it is… I can live with that and decide if I want to “risk” a non-certified drive or live with result (especially since crowd knowledge of good/bad drives will happen). Their non-enterprise drives are reasonably priced, but lacking in capacity of some of the larger drives. Depending on my pool I might be fine just going full synology to avoid a warning. But if I’m willing to take the risk because my needs exceed their capacity I want that option. I paid for the hardware, and I should be able to take the risks. So NO, as this is full lock in, I’m going to pass on their system, and I will stop recommending them to others.
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So they are saying i can’t use a Seagate IronWolf Pro, which is used in NAS Systems by the hundertousands all over the world without issues…. because it’s supposedly problematic….. WTF is there to validate….
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It’s really funny to hear all these marketing excuses about “stability”. These are the same disks, just with different model numbers.
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Hi sorry if this is the wrong place to ask . I have a pc with 2x 4tb hard drives in and I stream my films from it to my tv. Is. Ugreen better for this I want something that I can connect straight to the tv by hdmi 2 or hdmi 2.1 thanks for your time
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I think the largest problem is that the sellers don’t inform buyers of this “Feature”. Looked the DiskStation DS1823xs+ up with 5 different sellers, none of the sellers mentioned anything about drive compatibility.
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Hey Synology. FU. I just Welcomed new QNAP in my organization (16 bay) i put EXOS drives – no issues.
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I bought a new DS220+ a few years ago and I found the very steep learning curve and dwindling feature set a journey that I would not recommend going through again. Having said that, I don’t know that any other NAS brand is any more end home user friendly so perhaps Synology ma be the best of a bad bunch? By end user friendly I mean someone like me who doesn’t want to have to learn about certificates, a plethora of intricate settings which mean nothing to me, and more. A GUI would be appreciated by folks like myself who just want a simple set up NAS. If there’s one out there it may well be my next brand.
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Welcome QNAP, my old friend.
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Cory Doctorow needs more praise for coining the term enshitification. Synology is officially headed for the wastebin. I am heavily invested in the Synology ecosystem (for a home user). No more. I’m not buying anything from that company ever again.
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Cory Doctorow needs more praise for coining the term enshitification. Synology is officially headed for the wastebin. I am heavily invested in the Synology ecosystem (for a home user). No more. I’m not buying anything from that company ever again.
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The prices (brand new and lowest I could find with some quick searching) of 20TB drives (the largest capacity Synology offers currently) in Canada are:
Synology branded – $1097.99
Seagate X20 & X24 – $549.99
Seagate Ironwolf Pro – $579.99
Western Digital Red Pro & Gold $599.99
Toshiba N300 Pro – $549.99
That’s insane, get bent Synology.
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I think you’ve glossed over the biggest problem with this new policy. If Synology-branded hard drives offered the same capacity at the same price as equivalent third-party drives, few would have a problem. The reality is that in the US you pay as much for a Synology consumer-grade Plus drive as you do for a Western Digital or Seagate enterprise drive. That makes this whole thing little more than a cash grab in my mind – even if the claimed reliability benefits are even partially true.
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after a synology update last night, my synology stopped recognizing a 28tb exos that i had in my shr array, and stopped recognizing the nvme cache drives i had in my system – borked – confirmed the drive still works with my pc, going to build a custom nas now.
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Another area where the DS925+ is a downgrade from the DS923+ is the change from 10Gbe network option down to 2.5Gbe ports. I run 10Gbe switches with option of 1Gbe ports but no support for 2.5Gbe. Means the next replacement NAS cannot be Synology.
I must admit I have not checked for a drive cache calculator. That used to be a nightmare when you attempted to cache large drive e.g. greater than 10T Bytes.
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I never had any problems with Synology before. My drives (and none of them are on the compatibility list) all still work and the only reason for buying a new Synology was because the old one is filled with data and I need more storage.
Ans yes: none of my drives are on the compatibility list, they are NAS rated seagate of WD drives but when Synology shows the -RL11C variant of a drive, I can buy different version of that drive locally but never the one that ends in -RL11C…
I guess my new NAS will no longer be a Synology one
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My next nas wont be a synology
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I’m so disgusted at Synology now that I am selling my NAS (even though it works fine) and replacing it with competition. This hard drive lock out is just the beginning. Next thing on their agenda will be a mandatory sign-in to your account so that you can only access your NAS via their servers and a subdomain (and inability to use tailscale or whatever). Gradually they will lock you into their ecosystem entirely, all in the name of “security” and “performance”. That’s how it goes eventually, just like in politics. These companies all eventually start doing this lock out crap (look at recent decision by Bambu 3D printers for example and all the angry customers). Always have to go with open source, even if it means more hassle setting up things, but it’s worth it in the long run. Always research company philosophy before buying, who is running it, what their long term goals are, etc. Sayonara Synology.
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I’ve been installing Synology systems including their routers for over the past 10 years. I have certain brands of hard drives I’ve used for years and never had issues until having to replace or migrate when needed.
I happen to use Seagate ironwolf drives for my personal Nas nice to know at least that my old Synology will not be affected by this.
They should have offered an Enterprise side of things at their higher level product but they’re but they’re prosumers should not have been affected by this at all. This is pure stupidity on their marketing and I will not buy Synology products ever again including their non-affected currently products because they’re obviously heading towards some silly subscription model. This is obviously the first step testing the market.
To think I used to dabble with nas for free free Nas and many others just to make my own Nas systems in the past personality did provide a very robust path what flexibility to use your own drives with a full feature set.
I will officially say goodbye to Synology unless they reverse course on this but then again the way some of these tech companies are they love to bait and switch and lie or mislead.
I’m definitely considering going back to custom making my own Nas and even for my customers as well.
Goodbye Synology we are now officially divorced and can no longer support your company in any way shape or form and will do my due diligence to tell people to totally avoid this nothing but a cash grab to oversell you overprice you hard drives that are no different just rebranded that is all.
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I found a potentially killer app for AI: Come up with comedic acronyms for corporate BS. Behold:
S.Y.N.O.L.O.G.Y. – “Sorry, You’re Not Owners, Lock-On Guarantees Yield”.
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One thing that needs to be confirmed is if I migtate the WD drives from my 418play to a 2025 plus model (which they indicate is doable), and then one of those drives fails, will I be able replace it with the same model WD (i.e. under warranty) or will DSM refuse it?
These are prosumer/small business NASes at best. I’m more concerned about them only having a single power supply than drive failures (coz backups, right?). A big part of the appeal of these devices is that you could chuck pretty much any drives in them to meet your budget. This enterprise-type drive lock-in nonsense IS 100% gouging. Enterprises aren’t using these models for anything even vaguely critical.
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One thing that needs to be confirmed is if I migtate the WD drives from my 418play to a 2025 plus model (which they indicate is doable), and then one of those drives fails, will I be able replace it with the same model WD (i.e. under warranty) or will DSM refuse it?
These are prosumer/small business NASes at best. I’m more concerned about them only having a single power supply than drive failures (coz backups, right?). A big part of the appeal of these devices is that you could chuck pretty much any drives in them to meet your budget. This enterprise-type drive lock-in nonsense IS 100% gouging. Enterprises aren’t using these models for anything even vaguely critical.
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Ordered a Ugreen NAS. Good luck Synology.
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Just here to like the video because of how good the thumbnail photos was ????
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I suspect the decision by Western Digital to sell SMR drives as WD Red drives caused a REAL increase in support cases to Synology support. That’s likely where the statistics come from.
Synology isn’t keeping their new support policy a secret. They aren’t making it retroactive. Major enterprise storage vendors (including Synology) have identical policies for enterprise systems. Synology has apparently decided that “normal” home users that are likely to install shucked or desktop drives are no longer their target audience.
Vote with your wallet. This is just making a mountain out of a mole hill. I own 3 Synology systems, but I won’t be purchasing new ones. UGreen makes some great systems for cheap (I also purchased their 6 bay on their Kickstart price). Lots of vendors want your business. Synology has decided they no longer want to support the “wild west” of hard drives. That’s their right. People wanting the EU to ban rebadging drives are just divorced from reality.
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It’s crazy nobody came in to replace Drobo.
Sure they were slow but they made it so easy to just hot swap any drive to a bigger drive.
All I want is a couple 8 bays that can plug into a Mac mini or a switch that can use any drive so I can buy what I need and get drive after a price drop or a sale.
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The issue isn’t that their drives are encouraged for ‘better reliability and easier diagnostic’ reasons, it’s that the third party drives are soft-locked out of features that are expected in a NAS. So drive health stats are only a feature if you buy Synology drives. F off Synology.
Edit: There’s also no practical reasoning why a handful of third party haven’t been tested either. They just want us to buy theirs are couldn’t come up with competitive advantages to buy theirs so made everyone else’s worse. Scum move.
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Drobology ????
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Why are people still using Synology? I really don’t understand
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they lost the plot. hope they will also lose the customers
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Here is the thing. I work at a business that provides enterprise class appliances. I fully get why Synology is doing this as fewer variety = easier support. Not all hard drives are created equal. You use the lower end consumer based junk and there are a number of differences between the firmware to the controller behavior. So yeah I get it. However, in today’s world, consumers are rightly pissed with businesses in general trying to nickel and dime everyone to the edge of what consumers can tolerate. So it is completely understandable why people are freaking out as this can be seen as a cash grab lockin. In any case I’m done with any of these AIO systems as I was burnt by QNAP when my motherboard died after only 4 years of owning a $3000 NAS. In that time they discontinued the model. And didn’t have parts to repair even after EOL. Meaning to get my data off the system (I could recover about 80% of the data from backups) I ended up spending $2300 for a new NAS. From here on out I’m BYOing it so if a motherboard dies, I drive down to Microcenter and pick up a new one for a fraction of the cost of a new NAS. Never again
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So, if I have a couple of WD red pro drives in my existing NAS, they will not work if I upgrade to another synology NAS ?
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Synology, never again, R.I.P.
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Own two synology NAS units and I’ll carry on using them but I’ll never buy another. First removing white a few features and now this. Even if they end up doing a complete 180 (which I doubt), there’s 0% chance I’ll buy anything from them ever again.
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Synology is the new Drobo.
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Why are you suggesting that the hard drive lock in to overpriced, rebranded Synology drives did not happen? For now, one must assume that there is no way to use the 925+ with anything but overpriced Synology drives.
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I own three Plus-models (oldest is the 1618+) and am the “familiy admin”. If they are going through with this bs, those are my last ones and the last ones I will ever suggest or administrate. Not even the 20TB IronWolf Pro and higher are in any of my compatibility lists.
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So a Synology M.2 2280 NVMe SSD SNV3410 800GB is £385 in UK. Wow, that’s expensive! These are rebranded Toshiba or Seagate drives with modified firmware and with dreaded DRM added. A few people have had these die already.
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Not like I would have ever bought Shitology anyway given their extortionate surveillance licenses to use hardware you already own
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I don’t care what Synology do with their future products, there are plenty of alternatives out there. Let’s hope they aren’t stupid enough to brick older devices. That won’t end well for them.
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I don’t think there’s any reason defending this behavior. People will simply switch to other brands and abandon those who rip them off, like Synology tries to do here. There would be an argument if Synology produced their own drives but the only thing they’re offering are rebranded drives for a higher price.
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I live in australia and a bit fund strapped, but was thinking of getting the 925+ so we can see just what the heck it can do without synology drives. Should setup a go fundme to purchase the 925+ with some 8tb wd/seagate drives to see what we can do? How do you even do fundraising? Go Fund Me? Indigogo? most of those platforms are for scammers and this is a genuine question so we can get to the truth before we abandon a sinking ship!
Update: Looks like 1×925+ and 2xWD WD80EFPX 8TB Red Plus 3.5″ 5640RPM SATA3 NAS Hard Drive and 2x Seagate ST8000VN004 8TB IronWolf 3.5″ SATA3 NAS Hard Drive runs around $2400AUD from MWAVE. Only distributor I could see selling 925+ at a competitive price
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Decommissioning synology and move to ugreen
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A class action needs to be brought against Synology. Customers bought these systems on Synology’s word—that they were fit for a particular purpose, that there were third-party drives that were compatible and explicitly listed as such. With this rug pull, they have fraudulently misrepresented their products to their customers with a bogus compatibility list they had no intention of honouring. They are effectively implementing software-induced obsolescence under the guise of “system integrity” and “reliability.”
This is not just an utter betrayal of trust—it’s a textbook bait-and-switch. Synology sold NAS systems promising flexibility and interoperability with widely-used third-party drives. Customers made purchasing decisions based on those claims. Now, through firmware updates and policy reversal, they’ve effectively revoked support for those same drives, stripping users of key functionalities like storage pooling, drive health monitoring, and lifespan analysis—unless, of course, you buy their marked-up, rebranded hard drives. Drives which, in many cases, are just Toshiba internals with a different sticker and firmware, although they claim that these drives are rigorously tested, consumers have no visibility on that process, so we should just take their word for it, their word that so far has been lies and manipulation, they might as well re-brand themselves to a sticker company since they are just plastering their brands on Toshiba Hard Disks .
This move is not just unethical—it’s legally questionable. By disabling expected core features after purchase, Synology has breached the implied warranty of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. When consumers buy a NAS system based on a published compatibility list, that list forms part of the product’s value and functionality. Retroactively invalidating it effectively renders the product unfit for the use it was purchased for. That’s a breach of contract, plain and simple.
What’s worse, they’ve pushed these changes through under the radar. Users report installing firmware labeled as “DSM 6.2” only to find DSM 7.2 stealth-installed, complete with the new limitations. No warnings. No opt-ins. Just a unilateral, forced shift to a closed ecosystem. This is deceptive, predatory behaivour, and it may also amount to a violation of consumer protection laws in multiple jurisdictions, including the U.S., EU, and Canada.
To be clear: Synology has intentionally devalued their customers’ hardware post-sale in order to funnel them into a locked-in, proprietary ecosystem. It is an act of unjust enrichment—one that needs to have legal consequences. Their actions not only diminish the resale value of older units, but they also coerce consumers into purchasing overpriced Synology-branded components simply to retain functionality they already paid for.
This is about more than NAS drives. This is about a company asserting that it can change the rules after the fact, undermining your ownership, your purchase, and your rights as a consumer. We cannot allow this to stand.
A class action is not only justified—it is necessary. Synology must be held accountable for this deliberate, anti-consumer manipulation. There needs to be a precedent set and a warning to all manufacturers: you cannot redefine the terms of sale after the sale. You cannot steal value from your customers and hide behind firmware. You cannot gaslight a user base into silence while you rewrite the fundamentals of product ownership.
This is not reliability. This is abuse. And it’s time the courts stepped in.
More than Just NAS! It’s now fraud! Two in one bargain!
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This was why I migrated from WD to Asustor. I know that the MyCloud series doesn’t feature very highly among followers of this channel but they essentially did the same thing a number of years ago.
There is a comparatively short list of non-WD drives that are said to work with WD enclosures but availability is a limiting factor.
Ironically, it might have been that move that cost them a place in this market. These kinds of monopolistic tactics rarely pay long-term dividends. The market just migrates to other, less predatory brands.
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We are all understand company needs for profit, that’s not the problem, having more “security” and “stability” is also good and understandable, the problem is that all Synology fans feel BETRAYED, that is the most important asset for a company, when you lost trust, there’s no comeback, they choose their profit over their customers
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The time will come when plenty of tutorials will pop up on how to migrate from Synology to xxxxxx.
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I was thinking of replacing my DS918+ with the new one, but this just put me right off. That and the insane prices…
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The lock in is going to push labers and folks that care about to put for example, 5 WD red 12TB in their Synology. That will save them 500-600 euros in regards to use Synologys own Toshiba drives. After my 1522+ is done, i will get something else, like Unifi:s NAS. Synology is doing all the wrong things right now. It all started with videostation and the codec:s impacting surveillance station. That’s to bad.
I know something that will never change. That is Rob:s goldy watch ????
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I want videos of new operating system on these synology devices. Videos with a caveat of locked in drives is pointless now. Thanks.
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In yhat case why don’t they just add a button – use own storage at my own risk
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In yhat case why don’t they just add a button – use own storage at my own risk
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While there are plenty of alternatives when it comes to raw storage, replacing Synology Drive, hyperbackup, active backup for business, cloud sync, and backup for 365/google has its own costs in setup and management time or licensing.
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While there are plenty of alternatives when it comes to raw storage, replacing Synology Drive, hyperbackup, active backup for business, cloud sync, and backup for 365/google has its own costs in setup and management time or licensing.
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I’d love to hear more about other brands that are not Synology products. The business related products don’t really appeal to my interests.
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That’s awesome! It’s going to force me to build my own—TrueNAS SCALE, here I come! They just keep taking away video station is gone I can’t pay for the h265 license within it it should be progressing not regressing.
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Simple question: what feature does the DS925+ have compared to the DS923+ that makes it so much more desirable ? Because honestly, my DS918+ is very much sufficient in most cases. I’m not transcoding videos all the time and also a 10 Gbps port is much more a nice to have feature than a required one, because I would need to update all the rest of my home network to profit from it.
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You make it sound like more messaging benefits them. It sounds like confusion may be to their advantage. This is them circling the drain like HP printers and their liquid-gold ink.
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Thanks for this. I was waiting to see what Synology would say about this stuff. All I had up till now was just rumors. I’m in no rush at this time to replace my DS1817+. So, I’ll see how honest they are with the statement about adding 3rd-party HDDs to their official HCL. I am very skeptical though, and have already queued up an equivalent QNAP upgrade when the time comes. One could say too that if this was not simply “drive locking” then Synology would have probably already provided the data to back up their statistical claims. Yeah … I’m very skeptical. Seen too many businesses pull this type of thing, using similar claims, and none of them ever provide any data to support their claims. Here’s a few examples:
Apple: Resisted 3rd-party repairs, throttled iPhone performance to preserve battery life without clearly communicating … only acknowledged after they were caught in the act.
HP: Printer ink. FW updates routinely disable 3rd-party ink cartridges. Marketed as QA measure (like Synology is doing), but no public data released backs up the stated failure rates of 3rd-party ink.
Dell: Server and workstation components often require Dell-branded HDDs, RAM, and power supplies. BIOS-level warnings or flat out refusal to boot if 3rd-party parts detected. Claimed it’s about “validated reliability” but without transparent metrics.
Cisco: SFP/SFP+ modules are disabled or warning presented if they are non-Cisco branded. Argues about QA and compatibility, but again … no public failure stats of 3rd-party products.
Sony (PlayStation): Locked PS3 and PS4 down hard. Removed Linux support mid-cycle, blocked 3rd-party accessories with FW updates. No data ever provided about why 3rd-party gear posed a problem.
John Deere: Agri equipment -> implements software locks to prevent self-repair or 3rd-party app usage. Publicly claimed it was for safety and reliability, but offered no concrete data on part failure or repair quality.
Samsung: Smart TVs and SSDs: Occasionally locks features behind specific drive models (eg: in SSD firmware/TV FW updates). Promotes them as “optimized” but without side-by-side transparent performance metrics.
Bose: Pushed FW updates that removed or degraded features (ANC, EQ control) from older products. Blamed user experience “optimization” … again, with no data shared.
So, yeah, I’m not expecting any data to be publicly shared by Synology that would support their claims. At the end of the day, they’ve chosen their stance, and it’s up to consumers like me to decide whether “enough is enough”.
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I’ve owned two Synology Plus series NAS units. The first went for warranty repair then failed out of warranty, and I replaced it to reuse my SHR array. My drives have outlasted one NAS and are now in the second. I’m looking to move away from SHR to avoid being locked into Synology, as I don’t want to be forced to buy another when this one eventually fails. Even though it’s working now, I need to plan for future failure. If I need to migrate my files to a more standard RAID, I might as well switch to something like a QNAP.
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There’s a mouse on your shirt! ????
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Good call on show us the statistics. I mean if its 1 drive in every 1000 failure rate then these percentages they quote mean nothing. because its percent of the failures i.e 1 not the 1000 drives.
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I have a DS918+ system that has become more and more abstract after the update. That is, you need to apply a patch for the external 2.5G network card, a patch for the video station, a patch for H.265 encoding, a patch for external M.2 storage, and a patch for the automatic renewal of the https certificate ACME. If you want to use a camera, you have to apply another patch, and you have to apply it again after each upgrade. Can you count how many patch scripts need to be run for each system update? And this will greatly reduce the stability of the system. The DSM web page is very easy to crash when the network cannot connect to their qc server, and the DS file cannot be accessed. Do you still have to restart the host? The most abstract thing is that from time to time, qc requires you to upload the video of the machine. You have to write a note and put a clock on the mobile phone web page to prove that your machine is yours. I have uploaded it two or three times. This is really no different from a hacked one. Limiting the use of hard disks is an even more stupid decision. Migrating from older models means that users can simply bypass this restriction by using third-party software to write hard disk partition tables and systems, but if users know these complex command line operations, why do they need to spend a high price to buy official equipment? It would be easier to install DSM or even other operating systems directly on obsolete computers!
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They could have gotten away with it if this gen of boxes came with a significant increase in network and CPU capabilities and like a 5 years warranty on both hardware and disks combos but not while still recycling the same 10 yo sht bottom of the trash parts bin hardware at the same time.
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There’s just too many issues with this kind of lock out (and I am being locked out of buying drives I want, not locked into theirs). What if there’s a manufacturing issue with a batch of their drives? What if someone buys a huge portion of stock and we have to pay scalpers prices? What if THEY suddenly decide our prices are just 30% more than better known manufacturers? Supply chain issues could stop us having any drives at all. Where is my CHOICE?
Actually, I do have a choice, and that’s not to buy Synology at all.
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Hopefully, they will lose 75% of there customers and correct their course BEFORE they go out of business.
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As a business user I understand this strategy. If I buy a new NAS for my company, I want reliability. And if that reliability costs me 50% more for each (already inexpensive) HDD, I don’t care a bit. I want reliability. The moment I spend two hours on troubleshooting a problem caused by a third party HDD, I am losing way more money that what I spend extra for Synology approved/branded drives.
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So when is that mini pc Nas coming out so I can switch from my 918+?
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Just accept Synology desire to go bankrupt and stop buying. Once it goes bankrupt the other NAS manufacturers will receive a clear message not to follow such a stupid plan.
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Synology is really taking the piss.
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16:20 EXCELLENT point. They need to “speak with data”. So far their approach of “trust me, bro” doesn’t make sense.
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So they only want high-end $$$ Enterprise users.
That’s the message I’m getting.
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I didnt know Synology is now run by Tim Cook….????
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bs mean bs, they learn from adobe
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Now we only have the options Asustor, Qnap, Terramaster, Ugreen, Unifi…
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I had just settled on a Synology for my first proper nas. Back to shopping around i guess
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Compaq use to issue the same type of statement regarding equipment that could be installed in their PCs and servers in the 80’s and 90’s – other businesses like ALR, AST, Intel, HP and many others just set their prices below Compaq’s and the rest is history. All Compaq did was to provide guaranteed operational margins for the other vendors.
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DS1815+ owner. Been waiting and waiting for the new DS18XX+.
Been disappointed in the hardware, but the couple of apps in there catalog (Hyper Backup, Active Backup For Business, Active Backup For Microsoft 365, PLEX) but the hardware is under powered.
Now with this HDD BS, I am looking at UGreen more than ever.
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And THIS is why I bought an 1821+ I’m so glad I saved the money and preserved my freedom of choice. What’s worse is the drives aren’t even true proprietary drives. They are just white labelled drives from the brands you already use but at a more expensive price, just like their NIC cards and NVME sticks. Totally a ripoff.
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Synology are seeing all the new competitors in the market (UGreen, UniFi, etc) and going, how can we reduce our market share and help these guys out. It’s a slippery slope, they may add third-party drives “later” but it’s obvious they want to move all there solutions to Synology only drives eventually, might not be this year, might not be next, but it will happen eventually and we all know it.
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I really need a video on how to transition away from Synology.
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With PLEX as my main usage for my DS1019+. I am asking is there away to change my storage over to a qnap whilst using my 10 tb drives from the Synology ?
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with this news ill never buy another synology product, massively anti consumer, ill take my money elsewhere
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This is the same crap that NetApps pulled by putting their own custom firmware on HDDs.
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It’s hilarious watching them loose 100s of thousands of dollars and loose a lot of customers because of bad decisions haha. Dumb ppl..
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I wanted to buy my first Synology NAS this year, but I’ll be getting something else instead.
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Just moved to unraid as the docker support is good. And ZFS pools are now supported without the need for arrays.
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If the synology drives were the same price or cheaper than other brands and were readily available then it probably wouldn’t even be an issue, but they are none of those things.
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I don’t understand what the fuss is about when you can always build your own NAS, just like how you can build your own PC instead of buying prebuilts.
This isn’t like the laptop market where basically your only options are buying prebuilt or refurbished, since no one really sells individual laptop parts like the chassis on its own. You have a ton of freedom when it comes to NASes.
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Just read it. Don’t use generated voices. Turned off the video.
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Raid negates drive failures, i call BS. Glad i built an unraid nas.
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I’m getting f****** sick and tired of these corporations being predatory against the consumers.
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The fact that Synology does not disclose critical information that substantiates their reliability claims sends a signal in itself. Confusion can be a deliberate tactic. Indeed, very often silence speaks much louder than words.
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Synology no longer wants you as customers. They only want companies that spend as much as they want on devices and maintenance anyway and are impressed by all this phrase-mongering on the homepage. The hardware is outdated: The fans are loud, the processors are weak, and they still haven’t managed to integrate an uninterruptible power supply for private users. Every laptop, no matter how cheap, has better features.
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Can someone explain to me if this will happen with this setup? I currently have a 918+ running DSM 7.1 with Seagate 8TB Ironwolf drives. If I buy a new 1825+ when released and stick those drives in and then expand the unit out to have 8, 8TB drives in it all seagate iron wolf drives because I am moving the drives from one machine to another then those drives are not compatible to that unit? or will it be tied to software or is it in the firmware ie bios etc? Cheers
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RIP Synology
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No way Synology. They’ve embraced the dark side of enterprise storage lock-in. Who needs those pesky home office/SMB customers who want flexible and cost effective choices at the expense of our bottom line? Reminds me of Broadcom’s purchase of VMware.
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I have been a Synology user for about 15 years now. I will not purchase another Synology device if I am not able to use regular HDDs. Nor will I be able to recommend them to small businesses either.
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Can’t wait to see a business purchase their products and drives and then when a disk fails find that the time to replace the drive will be weeks because they have to purchase a drive from Synology themselves and have it shipped out vs going to a local store and purchasing another drive. I’m sure their customers will be thrilled!
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I am just sad that I can no longer be a Synology customer
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I want to use my ironwolf drives, I want snapdragon X in synologys. Their software is good, don’t kill the platform.
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19:16 I’m sorry, but this is not correct. The largest complaint isn’t that the messaging is “garbled”. The messaging is pretty clear. They are locking these down to Synology-labeled drives only. They literally said that exactly in their statement. The largest complaint that people are saying is that that sucks and is very anti-consumer. You are giving them a lot of benefit of the doubt on this point, as well as the “let’s wait and see once it releases wider.” Why wait? It is released already, and this is the state of it. Their promises of “future compatibility validation for 3rd parties” aren’t worth the bits that they were written with. It is vapor until they prove it with an actual list actually being out on actual machines, and if it were important to them to do so, they would have prepared ahead of time so that it _was_ ready for the release of these new systems.
I don’t mind the impulse to avoid jumping on bandwagons and to take the news with a more critical, measured eye, but your conclusions here are pretty divergent from what I would expect a reasonable person to come to.
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Do people actually know that Synology drives are just Seagate drives with a Synology sticker and $50 higher price.
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I was considering building a NAS. I was really considering Synology. Not anymore.
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Completely locking out drives that are not on white list are unacceptable, especialy with specific firmware.
Drive models are often getting replacced by vendors by never models or their revisions and its absolutely impossible to get ones with specific firmware.
For me hard locking on anything is 100% unacceptable so for me Synology is on black list from now on.
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My device, my choice what to do with it. If I want to use the cheapest, most unreliable HDDs in it it’s my choice and I have to bear the risks. The manufacturer can’t dictate which drives I’m allowed to use for a product I own privately. If these were enterprise models with dedicated support/warranty it would make sense but not for consumer products. If they force consumers to use only their certified drives they need to be liable if a drive fails as they’ve certified the drive for longevity/reliability.
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Welp, I’m gonna keep my 1522+ for along time then!! Seagate EXOS 16/18 drives are VERY highly regarded in the data industry, and that’s why I run them. I would be furious if I was REQUIRED to purchase the Synology branded drives, an inferior drive at a much higher price, no thanks.. And, 55.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot
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I heard it first on NASCompared! Let’s wait and see what they do at official EU launch in July! Eggs? ????
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I just got a UGreen as my first NAS between this and Synology’s lollygagging on new products and improving features
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I bet they will back down on this, I think they already mentioned they will make a list of drives that are allowed. (to clarify I mean non-SYNOLOGY drives)
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Scummy move. I will never their stuff, and I’m thankful the only commercial NAS I’ve ever purchased is QNAP.
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What a scum company… never buying Synology again…! QNAP for the win.
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Biggest load of absolute marketing and PR bullshit ever. I won’t be using Synology products going forward, plenty of other offerings available that don’t put artificial and unnecessary restrictions on usage. Well don’t Synology, I hope your shareholders are pleased with this plan to alienate your now former customers ????????
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Welcome to an EU antitrust lawsuit Synology ????
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Screw Synology they can get F’d
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Less restricted in a cloud NAS ????
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I have been and the emphasis here is on been a customer or user of Synology products for many years now.
I once had problems with a DS1515+ with disks from WD that were not on the compatibility list.
This was due to the batch of disks. It wouldn’t have made any difference if they had been on the list.
Then I once had an NVME SSD fail. It wasn’t on the list either. But it also failed completely, so
the list wouldn’t have made any difference here either.
For years it has been annoying that you couldn’t transfer the warranty to the new owner if you sold it.
I got stupid answers from Synology, such as that it could not be guaranteed that the device had been properly packaged,
when it was sent to the new owner.
Oh, that’s why the electrolytic capacitor in the power supply burst months later, because the box, which was the original packaging, was not ok……
Then there were the various annoyances of the customers: volumes only with NVME SSDs, which are on the list,
the annoying message regarding incompatible drives and so on.
Now the final bully of the customers, with this ridiculous “only our drives” nonsense.
As if the customer couldn’t have been given a choice. Support for drive problems when it’s our disks, none when they’re not ours.
Simply confirm with a check mark when setting up the pool.
Hey Synology, thanks for making my decision to switch to another brand easier.
In any case, I’ll vote with my wallet and avoid you in the future.
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I have been and the emphasis here is on been a customer or user of Synology products for many years now.
I once had problems with a DS1515+ with disks from WD that were not on the compatibility list.
This was due to the batch of disks. It wouldn’t have made any difference if they had been on the list.
Then I once had an NVME SSD fail. It wasn’t on the list either. But it also failed completely, so
the list wouldn’t have made any difference here either.
For years it has been annoying that you couldn’t transfer the warranty to the new owner if you sold it.
I got stupid answers from Synology, such as that it could not be guaranteed that the device had been properly packaged,
when it was sent to the new owner.
Oh, that’s why the electrolytic capacitor in the power supply burst months later, because the box, which was the original packaging, was not ok……
Then there were the various annoyances of the customers: volumes only with NVME SSDs, which are on the list,
the annoying message regarding incompatible drives and so on.
Now the final bully of the customers, with this ridiculous “only our drives” nonsense.
As if the customer couldn’t have been given a choice. Support for drive problems when it’s our disks, none when they’re not ours.
Simply confirm with a check mark when setting up the pool.
Hey Synology, thanks for making my decision to switch to another brand easier.
In any case, I’ll vote with my wallet and avoid you in the future.
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Weird they won’t validate the original 3rd party drives that their own brand drives are re-badged from… almost like they want you to ONLY buy THEIR drives.
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quality easter egg to end the vid ???? thanks for the comprehensive summary!
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I currently operate about 30 NAS from Synology of the lower product line. (Only 3 Plus series). Except for the Plus series, they are not production storage, but only for storing backups of stations/servers, etc. … The ecosystem suits me and in my case vendor lock is completely irrelevant. I use the same device for 8-10 years before I replace it, so the costs are not important to me. And since it is one of the backups, I do not need 24/7 production reliability. However, I do not welcome the step from Synology and their justification is weak. The competition is at the same price level for my cases +/- and a custom solution TrueNas and the like is out of the question.
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My next NAS is UNIFI. Docked part, get an N100 run Proxmox.
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I could imagine their Chief strategist saying “ok guys, its time to put Synology First”
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My guess is the migration won’t let you expand the volume. You will be locked into the size volume you migrate.
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I’m a little conflicted.
I manage just shy of 30 Synology NAS.
I’m now investigating other options for clients – but at them moment, I don’t have a valid replacement that has something as good as Active Insight, replication and more importantly Synology Drive (basically on-demand sync using Apple’s FileProvider API)
A large portion of my clients are mixed onsite/WFH.
VPN/tailscale doesn’t cut it for remote access with design tools – I do need a sync on demand client
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Ah yes, ‘Competitively priced’ sure Synology, thats why your HAT5300 4TB is $451NZD and an EXOS 7E8 drive is $468… oh, that EXOS drive is 8TB…. much better, EXOS 7E8 4TB for huh… $310 or an Iron Wolf for $191 — I could even get a Red Plus 10TB for $474 and I’d far sooner spend an extra $23 to get 2.5x the storage.
Very competitive… if you’re blind and numerically challanged!
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unfortunately Synology just shot themselves in the foot with their new brand only compatibility that’s now set for future releases.
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I have owned two Synology devices 920+ and currently a 923+. I will not be buying another now that they are locking their platform down. It’s Unraid for me from this point on. This is nothing but a shameless money grab.
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I wanted to buy the 625 slim as I have 5x1TB SATA WD Red SSDs, but if they only support their enterprise SATA SSDs, there is no way I am going to buy one. I want to move over to pure nvme flash storage in the future anyway, so my 423+ might be my last Synology.
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I am on my third Synoloy NAS, and it will surely be my last. I was already sick of overpaying for ancient hardware, so this ridiculous price gouging on drives is the last straw. What an absolutely stupid move…
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Is Synology adopting the Apple model ?
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The “40% less storage issues”, even if real and whatever it means, still applies to ALL supported drives not to Synology-branded drives. So Synology already has a list of verified drives which it recommends and supports, but somehow this list is magically not applicable to new models.
They can’t even say there’s a new compatibility situation because it’s the same AMD hardware as before. Not that compatibility issues between SATA drives and SATA controllers was a thing ever.
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Synology have a very shallow moat around their business, which is DSM. Once a cheap or open source version of solid alternatives to some of their apps appear Ill have no reason at all to keep buying their hardware.
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Honestly this is some of the most gutless fence sitting waffle I’ve ever heard out of your mouth ….
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Maybe someone can hack this new system with other or cracking DSM so it can bypass this limitation? I have to admit Synology hardware is quite good, no problem so far.
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Glad I pulled the trigger on a UGreen 4800 plus with 3 16TB Ironwolf Pro drives last month instead of continuing to wait on the new Synology systems!
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Synology is going to die. They’re going to die like the American Democratic party because they cannot read the room. Americans are going to buy American rather than being mandated to figure out which HDD they need to buy to support yet another Chinese business that is struggling to stay relevant. The reality is they are moving manufacturing back to America along with the fact that up to 80% of factories in China, in any business, are experiencing MASSIVE amounts of expected orders that will simply not happen. Enterprise systems and those system engineering pathways will not return to a standard in the long run that allows Synology to continue down the path of controlling a market they already lost to their own Chinese competitors that were already pivoting to use new reliable media that is more reliable and less problematic (in perception if nothing else) that the hundreds of companies that xAI alone is financing to correct the global market toward an American market. There could be a revolution in China tomorrow and this trend will not stop. No one is going to pay for foreign enterprise systems if an American alternative presents. Synology has probably invested heavily and will ride this river out to it’s end. They should pivot to partnering with an American manufacturer and offer as many HDD alternatives and other storage strategies just as fast as they possibly can. The Chinese NAS companies that will survive are probably the first to partner manufacturing in the physical CONUS landmass. They’ll make secret deals outside of political channels because they don’t want to be axed, as has been the case in the past. Personally, if I were in that position, and I were one of their engineers, I’d defect as soon as possible, and buy one of President Trump’s Gold cards and start a new storage company in the US.
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I have two older Synology NASs. I had been planning to replace with this long overdue lineup. First they are using old processors, now locking out drive options. I wasn’t going to even look at the competition. With these new developments, it is time for me to research other options, i doubt Synology will compare well.
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Note that when they say 7,000 hours of testing, they probably mean they tested ten drives for a month, not one drive for ten months.
Meanwhile, it seems they’re implementing some kind of migration path for people who want to take their drives from old Synology systems and put them in the DS925+ . How long before someone writes a utility to format a drive so it looks like it’s been in a Synology system before? ????
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I have been waiting to see their 2025 lineup to replace my 214play. When the specs leaked and showed they would be selling outdated hardware, I started considering looking at other options. With this new policy, I will ONLY be looking at other options. They can run their business however they see fit. But, I am not paying $550 for rebranded $275 drives in perpetuity. Hard pass.
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It’s not that the “messaging is a mess”, it’s that the value for money proposition has gone from bad to worse.
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Being “appliance focused” does not mean to unnecessarily restrict customer choice.
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Based on the trade deficit we will now chage our mind every 2 hours so our pre-informed friends can greatly benefit from the rapid changes. For now – Western Digital is out. I mean is in. I mean is out
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Sounds like they wanna go full Apple.
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If Synology is going to a closed-in ecosystem with their own branded HDDs at premium prices, then if anything goes wrong with their NAS devices, then they need to send a Synology technician to my house and troubleshoot and fix anything that has gone wrong, free of charge for me of course ????. I didn’t realise that off-the-shelf, branded drives’ reliability has been giving Synology such sleepless nights when the problem is most likely not significant despite their statistics shown here in this video. Appliance model? They’re going to start making refrigerators now? Please !!!!!!
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Synology’s justification is made up BS. Bye, bye Synology. Bought two of your NASes but will from now on tell everyone to stay away from Synology.
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Been with Synology since 2011, 3 NAS’s, been a big fan but it’s the end of the road for me. Pulling a move like this in 2025 won’t end well for them, they act like they are the best and the only choice, they’re not and they’re not. Best thing that ever happened to the other brands!
I imagine my 1621+ has another 5-10 years of life in it but my next NAS won’t wear the Synology brand. Easy decision.
I’ll go a step further and predict Synology reverses course 6-12 months in when they see sales figures, by then it might be too late.
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Synology is so full of themselves. I would take any regular hard drive, let alone NAS level, over any of their NAS drives. Synology is prosumer at most not enterprise level. No more Synology for me.
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synology 923+ for $599 w/limitations or…. Jonsbo N3 with AM4 board and 5600gt with 32gb ram for about the same price and Zero limitations and truenas scale…hmmmm decisions….. Who’s going to even look at the 925+????
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That’s it, I’m moving over to dell unity
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I’m not fond of this approach and so I wont be purchasing another Synology NAS again (have been buying them for the last 15 years or so). I would rather build a small PC or go for another NAS manufacturer as it seems to be this not just about forcing customers to buy Synology-everything.
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I highly recommend ugreen devices. It’s basically a PC and runs unRAID or FreeNAS just fine.
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They don’t make it clear on the purchase details page what happens if you don’t use a compatible hard drive. I guess there will be a lot of returns when people buy it and find out that they can’t use their hard drives.
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Always appreciate a good Mitchell & Webb reference. Those failure and issue statistics sound suspiciously Numberwang, though.
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If they had included third party drives from the start I might have believed their PR and been OK with it. But they’re communication sucks. I’m not interested in paying a premium for Synology drives. My current NAS will probably be the last from them.
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Was needing a new NAS as my 920+ just died. I just ordered the Unifi NAS. Done with Synology.
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I’m out — that was the last straw. I’ve been satisfied with Synology products so far, even though they weren’t exactly cheap and often used older hardware. But artificially limiting the choice of hard drives is just one step too far. There are other vendors out there, and I hope they seize the opportunity.
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Would this make companies that are thinking of using a NAS, go with something besides synology? That they can move there drive, that they already have from and old system?
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Appears death of Synology, I will not accept vendor lock in
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As a consultant for a number of small businesses, this is concerning.
I have been able to sell Synology as a solution due to its reasonable price, support for server, VM and PC backups, cloud offering for offsite disaster recovery…..and the fact that virtually any NAS rated drive will work.
If the newer versions are only going to support their proprietary drive offerings, tat removes the reasonable price and drive flexibility part of the value. That’s leaving me with the just the backup license and a paid cloud backup…..which can be applied to any hardware solution.
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*Shrug, then I’ll be pivoting to either QNAP or Ugreen for both myself and for my clients for the forseeable future. Pity, I’ve been using them for years.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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Synology is no longer a Taiwanese company, but a Chinese company. Its corporate policies are like the Communist Party’s.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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I will be jumping on this class action lawsuit when it comes around.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Now Synology is trying to make money by selling HDDs.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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Ah come on. Those Synology drives are stock drives with changed manufacturer infos and a nice sticker. No way are they having own drives manufactured. They could have changes in the firmware besides manufacturer infos, but that would mean other drives could NEVER be certified for use. So the fact that even the original stock drives aren‘t on the compatibility list means one thing and one thing only: This is about money. The Synology labeled drives will cost quite a bit more than the underlying stock drives.
And Synology will feel the loss of consumer because of that.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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So, if I say buy a Ds1522 now will it be under this synology restrictions? I have been pricing one out since the beginning of this year, but now I am a little bit concerned. Please advise. I was looking @ Ds923 or Ds1522.
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Lmfao. This is why I’ll never waste my money on NAS’s. Locking you down on fucking HARD DRIVES. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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I could understand if Synology offers extended options for their own HDDs – but not supporting Toshiba, WD or Seagate anymore is a bad joke. As well as the handling of NVME SSD.
I wonder all the time if synology really believes the crap they’re telling?
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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LOL there’s nothing more compatible than harddrives. pure upsell but funny to say “we’re turning into appliance” yet removing features left and right (Video Station, HEVC etc).
but i wouldn’t worry much, this will be surely fixed be scripts.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Ubiquiti needs to jump on this and allow apps to be installed! My next NAS might be a ugreen. But I really like my UniFi system.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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Synology has betrayed those who got them to their current success in the market. I have a low regard for their leadership and I hope their market share goes down to zero. A pox on their enterprise and their leaders.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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I have a Synology NAS ansd was planning on buying a new 8 bay model this Summer.
Now ? Never. QNAP here on.
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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Bye Bye Synology, I’ll never buy another. I’ll use the drives I want to, ridiculous!
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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You should not be recommending Synology because of this drive toward restrictive propriatory practices. How can you recommend when overprices synology brand Ram&HD are actually low quality 3rd party products rebadged. If nothing else, the value proposition means you should not be ‘recommending’ them. Ive owned and maintained A range of DS products for many years. They are OK… but a pig when things go wrong (like the Intel Atom bug) . My DS918+ just completely died, and the plan was to get a DS925+ and move the 4x8tb Ironwolf drives over… now maybe not!!! Unless they sort this out quickly, looks like the 925+ is a no-go and time to move onto something better (UGREEN with TrueNAS maybe).
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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This is disheartening to say the least. This is pushing me harder to use TruNas or Unraid. This also removes the budget option for people wanting to use manufacturer recertified drives.
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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The irony of it all is if their own drives start failing (because Seagate…)
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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So we can move our existing drives from an older to a newer Nas ,bit if one hdd is broken and we get a replacement disk by manufacturer, we can’t use it anymore…cause it’s not listed…and this also means, if you have a listed disk..with a newer firmware..causes..not tested
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How is this not going to be hit by the same regulations that stop printer manufacturers compelling you to use their inks? Look forward to the EU spanking them in the future.
Until then, I will advise anyone looking for a drive to avoid these like the plague.
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Doesn’t matter, I’m out
I have two Synology unit units now
Last night I ordered a Terramaster
The low performance and high price was one thing, but the software made up the difference
Now they keep canceling apps that I use, and with the inspector ofdrive restriction either happening, or happening in the future, I’m out
I’m done with Synology
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Synology is digging a hole like VMware. Never again, overpriced lackluster hardware, 4Gb of RAM in 2025, lack of respect for costumers. Synology is dead for me.
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I own multiple synology units currently. I will never buy another synology product.. even if they reverse course here. I will also not be recommending them or installing them any longer through work. This is unacceptable.
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Guess I won’t be buying or recommending Synology going forward. This might be fine for enterprise, but for home gamers and normal users this change will jack up prices over most peoples budgets. I wish they would just do a split, units for home and units for enterprise. Where all drives work for home, only Synology drives work on enterprise. Dellemc does this on some models.
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I have noticed many software companies also going down the “take it or leave it approach” with their customers when they get too cocky, have a large user base and think their customers will just accept whatever they decide to insist on to generate more profit for themselves rather than as a benefit to their customers – especially in relation to subscription only models. I think this will be the end of people going with Synology as a product default – there are other players offering other higher specced/cost effective products in the market now and Synology don’t have the NAS monopoly to themselves any longer.
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First, they abandoned Plex Media Server users, and now this ….. Without knowledge of their internal workings, it’s hard to know for sure, but it seems to me they could still serve the segment of the market that needs hardware transcoding. Does AMD not make processors with GPUs? And you would think with this move to limit HDD choices, they would have had 3rd party certification lined up and ready to roll out at the same time these 25’s come to market. The problems are compounded by the fact that the HDDs they offer don’t come in 20tb and 24tb. And what’s with the lack of 10Gbe ports? They were the market leader and probably just pissed that away. I’d rather not have to migrate to a whole new ecosystem, but within a few years, I may have no choice. Smells like poor leadership with confused priorities.
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As long as there are “custom bootloaders” I´ll continue using DSM ????… but I won´t buy any new hardware from them.
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you get on the accepted list with a BIG CHECK
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I completely understand and agree with Synology’s reasoning—it’s actually coherent and makes perfect sense: verified hardware == fewer issues, and if issues, better support. Simple, basic, solid.
HOWEVER, THEY SHOULD COMMUNICATE THIS CLEARLY AND GIVE PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE ACCORDINGLY. It’s the lack of choice, that’s where they’ve lost me. For that reason, my fourth Synology NAS will be my last, and the ten I’ve recommended to others will be the last. HexOS has some strong years ahead, that’s for sure!
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I think it’s a big mistake of theirs. They’ll lose a lot of goodwill and support.
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IF YOU CAN’T USE THE PRODUCT IN THE MANNER OF YOUR CHOOSING, YOU DON’T OWN IT.
Their home-user friendly software stack will not be enough to carry them from the slump they are about to experience. I will never recommend them.
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I will never buy a Synology NAS server because the limits are based on monopoly greed. The limits are not real, if Synology goes bankrupt then all new Synology NAS servers are a waste of money.
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I don’t see how Synology would see such high failure / problem rate then a company like Backblaze. If Synology is using rebranded drives, there failure rates shouldn’t be any different than what backblaze sees in their quarterly reports.
10:00 – your positives, aren’t really positives. Synology and DSM “moving” an appliance like ecosystem with a simple setup and config is WHY people bought them in the first place. Synology was ALREADY using an appliance model.
And not retroactively screwing over customers using older devices isn’t a positive either. Synology knows that If medium to large businesses were suddenly needing to buy a bunch of brand new drives for NO reason for hardware thats already in production environments, Synology would be an instantly dead brand. And they aren’t dumb enough to do that.
This move is ALL negatives, and NO positives in my opinion. Synology is trying to position itself like HPE and Dell. HPE and Dell will have their own re-branded drives in their servers at deployment (with the SSDs being re-branded Intel SSDs years back). However, Dell and HPE were doing so from the outset.
This is planned obsolescence at its most transparent and evil. Now Synology can start doing what all the other brands are doing, lock away new features in their newer hardware… so not only do we have to spend money on the new device itself, but if we bought third-party drives on an old platform, Synology get to double-dip and make us pay more for their branded drives. The upfront cost to upgrade from an older device to a new one just raised by multiple hundreds of dollars.
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I don’t see how Synology would see such high failure / problem rate then a company like Backblaze. If Synology is using rebranded drives, there failure rates shouldn’t be any different than what backblaze sees in their quarterly reports.
10:00 – your positives, aren’t really positives. Synology and DSM “moving” an appliance like ecosystem with a simple setup and config is WHY people bought them in the first place. Synology was ALREADY using an appliance model.
And not retroactively screwing over customers using older devices isn’t a positive either. Synology knows that If medium to large businesses were suddenly needing to buy a bunch of brand new drives for NO reason for hardware thats already in production environments, Synology would be an instantly dead brand. And they aren’t dumb enough to do that.
This move is ALL negatives, and NO positives in my opinion. Synology is trying to position itself like HPE and Dell. HPE and Dell will have their own re-branded drives in their servers at deployment (with the SSDs being re-branded Intel SSDs years back). However, Dell and HPE were doing so from the outset.
This is planned obsolescence at its most transparent and evil. Now Synology can start doing what all the other brands are doing, lock away new features in their newer hardware… so not only do we have to spend money on the new device itself, but if we bought third-party drives on an old platform, Synology get to double-dip and make us pay more for their branded drives. The upfront cost to upgrade from an older device to a new one just raised by multiple hundreds of dollars.
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I don’t see how Synology would see such high failure / problem rate then a company like Backblaze. If Synology is using rebranded drives, there failure rates shouldn’t be any different than what backblaze sees in their quarterly reports.
10:00 – your positives, aren’t really positives. Synology and DSM “moving” an appliance like ecosystem with a simple setup and config is WHY people bought them in the first place. Synology was ALREADY using an appliance model.
And not retroactively screwing over customers using older devices isn’t a positive either. Synology knows that If medium to large businesses were suddenly needing to buy a bunch of brand new drives for NO reason for hardware thats already in production environments, Synology would be an instantly dead brand. And they aren’t dumb enough to do that.
This move is ALL negatives, and NO positives in my opinion. Synology is trying to position itself like HPE and Dell. HPE and Dell will have their own re-branded drives in their servers at deployment (with the SSDs being re-branded Intel SSDs years back). However, Dell and HPE were doing so from the outset.
This is planned obsolescence at its most transparent and evil. Now Synology can start doing what all the other brands are doing, lock away new features in their newer hardware… so not only do we have to spend money on the new device itself, but if we bought third-party drives on an old platform, Synology get to double-dip and make us pay more for their branded drives. The upfront cost to upgrade from an older device to a new one just raised by multiple hundreds of dollars.
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I saw the writing on the wall awhile ago and went with a dedicated NAS … Unifi UNAS Pro. It does have it’s limitations, but it doesn’t have this arbitrary drive BS. It’s been working for months. No it doesn’t run apps like Synology, but I repurposed an old AMD Ryzen 4 motherboards and CPU for that. Bye Bye Synology. When my old 920+ dies, I’ll be done. As is, I’m relegating that drive to just backing up my UNAS PRO and App server.
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I saw the writing on the wall awhile ago and went with a dedicated NAS … Unifi UNAS Pro. It does have it’s limitations, but it doesn’t have this arbitrary drive BS. It’s been working for months. No it doesn’t run apps like Synology, but I repurposed an old AMD Ryzen 4 motherboards and CPU for that. Bye Bye Synology. When my old 920+ dies, I’ll be done. As is, I’m relegating that drive to just backing up my UNAS PRO and App server.
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I saw the writing on the wall awhile ago and went with a dedicated NAS … Unifi UNAS Pro. It does have it’s limitations, but it doesn’t have this arbitrary drive BS. It’s been working for months. No it doesn’t run apps like Synology, but I repurposed an old AMD Ryzen 4 motherboards and CPU for that. Bye Bye Synology. When my old 920+ dies, I’ll be done. As is, I’m relegating that drive to just backing up my UNAS PRO and App server.
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Wow! for a 4-bay NAS that would be about $230 (CDN) between Synology and Ironwolf Pro drives. If you look at a TrueNAS Mini R vs. Synology 12-Bay RackStation RS2423+ would I be spending a difference of almost $1300 Plus the “Synology Tax” for 12 drives. I know which way I will be going… Synology you were great, but I think that time is past.
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Wow! for a 4-bay NAS that would be about $230 (CDN) between Synology and Ironwolf Pro drives. If you look at a TrueNAS Mini R vs. Synology 12-Bay RackStation RS2423+ would I be spending a difference of almost $1300 Plus the “Synology Tax” for 12 drives. I know which way I will be going… Synology you were great, but I think that time is past.
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Wow! for a 4-bay NAS that would be about $230 (CDN) between Synology and Ironwolf Pro drives. If you look at a TrueNAS Mini R vs. Synology 12-Bay RackStation RS2423+ would I be spending a difference of almost $1300 Plus the “Synology Tax” for 12 drives. I know which way I will be going… Synology you were great, but I think that time is past.
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Synology has turned into a massive joke
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Synology has turned into a massive joke
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Synology has turned into a massive joke
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Why waste your time with recommending Synology anymore? There must be the narrowest segment of users who would want to pay premium prices for inferior hardware, lock themselves in an ecosystem at the mercy of a company willing to alienate a large segment of its user base, for what? Only those with money to burn and “just need it to work” or some niche DSM functionality would consider Synology and they don’t need a YT channel to tell them this. Your expertise is best spent on assessing the other options that would suit the 99%.
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Why waste your time with recommending Synology anymore? There must be the narrowest segment of users who would want to pay premium prices for inferior hardware, lock themselves in an ecosystem at the mercy of a company willing to alienate a large segment of its user base, for what? Only those with money to burn and “just need it to work” or some niche DSM functionality would consider Synology and they don’t need a YT channel to tell them this. Your expertise is best spent on assessing the other options that would suit the 99%.
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Why waste your time with recommending Synology anymore? There must be the narrowest segment of users who would want to pay premium prices for inferior hardware, lock themselves in an ecosystem at the mercy of a company willing to alienate a large segment of its user base, for what? Only those with money to burn and “just need it to work” or some niche DSM functionality would consider Synology and they don’t need a YT channel to tell them this. Your expertise is best spent on assessing the other options that would suit the 99%.
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It’s one thing to publish compatibility lists. Synology doesn’t actually make RAM or HDD/SDD media. If you’ve ever seen what Synology charges for memory upgrades vs. what they’re available for as 3rd party retail, their pricing is way too high. I always bought my drives based on the published compatibility list models. To single source drives through Synology, however, is a whole other animal. I will not use Synology platforms if I have to use their labeled drives at their outrageous pricing. I’m looking to replace my DS918+, so it looks like I’ll be parting ways with Synology.
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It’s one thing to publish compatibility lists. Synology doesn’t actually make RAM or HDD/SDD media. If you’ve ever seen what Synology charges for memory upgrades vs. what they’re available for as 3rd party retail, their pricing is way too high. I always bought my drives based on the published compatibility list models. To single source drives through Synology, however, is a whole other animal. I will not use Synology platforms if I have to use their labeled drives at their outrageous pricing. I’m looking to replace my DS918+, so it looks like I’ll be parting ways with Synology.
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It’s one thing to publish compatibility lists. Synology doesn’t actually make RAM or HDD/SDD media. If you’ve ever seen what Synology charges for memory upgrades vs. what they’re available for as 3rd party retail, their pricing is way too high. I always bought my drives based on the published compatibility list models. To single source drives through Synology, however, is a whole other animal. I will not use Synology platforms if I have to use their labeled drives at their outrageous pricing. I’m looking to replace my DS918+, so it looks like I’ll be parting ways with Synology.
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I hate to be the one that points out at Synology’s board meetings that people who run multi-drive NAS with redundancy are the same people who treat drives like a commodity… lol
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I hate to be the one that points out at Synology’s board meetings that people who run multi-drive NAS with redundancy are the same people who treat drives like a commodity… lol
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I hate to be the one that points out at Synology’s board meetings that people who run multi-drive NAS with redundancy are the same people who treat drives like a commodity… lol
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So we have ancient hardware at high prices, phasing out of important features without a heads-up and a lock-in to relabeled overpriced bottom-of-the-barrel HDDs, sounds like a great recipe to lose all possible customer groups at once.
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So we have ancient hardware at high prices, phasing out of important features without a heads-up and a lock-in to relabeled overpriced bottom-of-the-barrel HDDs, sounds like a great recipe to lose all possible customer groups at once.
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So we have ancient hardware at high prices, phasing out of important features without a heads-up and a lock-in to relabeled overpriced bottom-of-the-barrel HDDs, sounds like a great recipe to lose all possible customer groups at once.
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The fact is that, without exception, all the problems I have had with Synology, some of them considerable, have been purely software bugs. Hard disks have never been the problem. Search the forums, you will find NOTHING. Synology is dead. They are shooting themselves in the foot. No longer interesting for home users and there are better options for business. Fortunately there is Unraid out there. DSM finally runs fast on Unraid thanks to good hardware – surprisingly, no matter which hard disks
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The fact is that, without exception, all the problems I have had with Synology, some of them considerable, have been purely software bugs. Hard disks have never been the problem. Search the forums, you will find NOTHING. Synology is dead. They are shooting themselves in the foot. No longer interesting for home users and there are better options for business. Fortunately there is Unraid out there. DSM finally runs fast on Unraid thanks to good hardware – surprisingly, no matter which hard disks
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The fact is that, without exception, all the problems I have had with Synology, some of them considerable, have been purely software bugs. Hard disks have never been the problem. Search the forums, you will find NOTHING. Synology is dead. They are shooting themselves in the foot. No longer interesting for home users and there are better options for business. Fortunately there is Unraid out there. DSM finally runs fast on Unraid thanks to good hardware – surprisingly, no matter which hard disks
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I was really waiting to pick up 925. Not any more.
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I was really waiting to pick up 925. Not any more.
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I was really waiting to pick up 925. Not any more.
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The transition will be easy indeed. We’ll go look somewhere else lol.
I’ve been looking at Synology NAS for 5 years now. This is the last touch to my network (Unify), Plex server and personal home cloud to part from Google cloud. I wanted to make me this gift finally, and was waiting for the 2024 rooster that became the 2025 rooster.
Damn synology! I already bough 3x24Tb Ironwolf Pro installed temporarily in my pc-based plex server as my 2nd level backup solution.
Too bad for them someone else will get my 1500$+ NAS investment.
Synology ????????
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The transition will be easy indeed. We’ll go look somewhere else lol.
I’ve been looking at Synology NAS for 5 years now. This is the last touch to my network (Unify), Plex server and personal home cloud to part from Google cloud. I wanted to make me this gift finally, and was waiting for the 2024 rooster that became the 2025 rooster.
Damn synology! I already bough 3x24Tb Ironwolf Pro installed temporarily in my pc-based plex server as my 2nd level backup solution.
Too bad for them someone else will get my 1500$+ NAS investment.
Synology ????????
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The transition will be easy indeed. We’ll go look somewhere else lol.
I’ve been looking at Synology NAS for 5 years now. This is the last touch to my network (Unify), Plex server and personal home cloud to part from Google cloud. I wanted to make me this gift finally, and was waiting for the 2024 rooster that became the 2025 rooster.
Damn synology! I already bough 3x24Tb Ironwolf Pro installed temporarily in my pc-based plex server as my 2nd level backup solution.
Too bad for them someone else will get my 1500$+ NAS investment.
Synology ????????
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Just get Unraid.
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Just get Unraid.
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Just get Unraid.
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The lock in to overpriced memory/drives is why I went Terramaster rather than Synology.
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The lock in to overpriced memory/drives is why I went Terramaster rather than Synology.
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The lock in to overpriced memory/drives is why I went Terramaster rather than Synology.
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NASCompares is paid by Synology, NASCompares says what the people that pay him want him to say. NASCompares is an Advertiser channel not a review channel.
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A HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) can be a very good thing to follow. But I think it’s a big step going from being aware of the HCL and being forced to only use parts that are on this list.
Way back a customer needed a number of servers to store their surveillance videos on. They had a bit over 200 HD cameras and needed a lot of storage to handle this. The number of servers were limited to four as the surveillance software licenses for the servers was pretty high. So they wanted these servers to use the largest HDD’s available at the time.
The problem was that we used Adaptec RAID controllers in the servers and the latest and greatest HDD’s were not on the HCL yet. After discussions with both our contact at Adaptec and a drive manufacturer they were saying that it should work, but as it wasn’t on the HCL it wasn’t guaranteed. Anyway the customer wanted the drives and we built the servers.
I think there was 32 drives in each of the servers so about 128 drives installed. And naturally it didn’t work reliably!
I spent a day at the customer after all the RAID pools had failed drives, and on two servers R6 arrays had failed as two or more drives in the same pool had failed. Each pool had two standby drives just in case a drive in the array would fail and these had been initialized automatically. The positive thing was Adaptec and the HDD manufacturer had checked the logs and provided a package with a new firmware for the drives. So I spent a day updating the firmware for all drives on all four servers. We also switched out all drives that had as much as a single fault listed in the logs. After that the system was stable for years with no failed drives, we thought at least.
The disturbing thing is that this company with over 200 cameras and a rather large server room with a lot of tech didn’t have anyone ever looking at the logs or taking a look into the server room to see if there were any red LED signaling that there was a problem or a failed drive. The reason they called us about the drives the first time was because the surveillance software couldn’t access the videos stored from a number of cameras. Before that they hadn’t even looked at the error messages that the RAID mailed to them about drive failures.
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You know they will release a update that bricks your NAS and forces you to upgrade or purchase a new NAS requiring their drives. You won’t switch to a competitor at that point because you are locked in. Probably better to switch now
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Pure sophistry from Synology. The mention of supporting third-party drives only if and when validated is an excuse. Their branded drives are Ironwolf or Toshiba units, so why are the OEM versions of these any different in terms of validation requirements? It’s like insisting on crash-testing a particular model of car simply because it’s a different colour to the ones sold by you.
The only limitations Synology should place on the choice of hard drives is whether they’re NAS certified units. Don’t they think the HDD manufacturers making NAS oriented drives haven’t tested them extensively to live up to their enhanced reliability and operational environment claims?
It’s pure profiteering from Sinology. They can package it any way they like, but that’s how I see it.
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at this point just skip Synology anything. They dont want our business.
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I’ll just stick with my Seagate filled DS 1821+.
My concern is that this policy will be implemented in future versions of DSM. That is, if you want to upgrade to “DSM X”, one of the prerequisites will be to replace the Iron Wolf Pros with Synology Enterprise (in order to get the larger capacity) drives.
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Presumably Synology doesn’t manufacture their own drives. They just get Seagate, WD or Toshiba to make them. So what specifically makes a “Synology drive”? It’s almost certainly just a rebadged existing model from one of the top 3.
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Whoever is managing this change should be fired. Agree or disagree with the drive lock-in policy, the way it has been rolled out has been dismal.
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They’ve shot themselves in the foot by not bringing out a list of 3rd party compatible products early on. I refuse to buy a product that requires their own branded drives. That’s all I’ll say for now.
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They even do not try to hide their lies (statistics & printing another name on a well known product doesn’t make it better only more expensive), that’s not my cup of tea. Time to try other manufacturers…
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Perfect time to figure this out, was about to pick up Synology and now I’m not.
Looking for suggestions for an alternative to operate a Plex server and backup server at home. Comment below>>
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Dumb decision. So the question is: if you have an existing RAID drive set and simply put them into a DS925+, will it just work ? Or are we cooked in that context as well ?
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I was a long time Synology fan too, but no more. I’m done. It’s a pity because I was looking to buy a big upgrade in the next 12 months (4 bay, 20TB HDDs, 10Gb NIC) but clearly it’ll be best for me to look elsewhere.
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I got a warning when I put a hard drive in my Synology NAS that was not on the list, but I was still able to run the system. You have to click past the warning.
I don’t think I’m getting another Synology system.
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I was thinkong of upgrading to a 2025 mod, hopefully one with 2,5G og higher networking. But Now I might look at other manufactures. ????
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20:20 of course he is. Do you think he is going to stop taking those checks and free product. Lol
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synology should sell their OS and their apps only. no hardware.
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That statement is complete bullshit, everybody with half a braincell knows this. I’m sure at some point there was ever a harddrive that came out with some very early firmware and somehow corrupted a synology drivepool. Then the firmware got fixed and all was fine. That is where they get their numbers, they are just fooling us. You really think they are testing all drives for months? No ofcourse not , it’s only about money. They buy OEM drives just build in a identifier tag in the firmware from the manufacturer and that’s it. Synology has become greedy, some manager came up with this stupid idea what sounds great on paper but is going to kill them completely. I’m sure they have corporate customers but they seem to forget us IT admins are the reason your products are even considered in those companies. If we don’t like you’re product you’re not gonna sell much of it anymore.
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Curious if DS1621+ still a good NAS option in 2025?
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Synology is now on the do not buy list.
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Ridiculous. Those drives better have a 10 Year warranty. I’ll ease the transition…of going to another brand.
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Let the enshitification begin!
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RAEPD: Redundant Array of Expensive, Proprietary Drives. Pronunciation of this new acronym is self explanatory.
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They just made migrating from a competitor financially ridiculous. This prices me out of my planned ’25 series move – looks like I will be sticking with TrueNAS.
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The second that UGreen has an integrated NAS -> Remote NAS back up.. I’m switching
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As I’m watching this.. my inside voice is “PLEASE Synology don’t be stupid”… Nope they are being stupid.
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I wonder if this is a ploy to gain revenue via asking manufacturers for “validation fee”… Not so sure they have the influence to ask this from the drive manufacturers.
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“Give ’em the razor; sell ’em the blades”.
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When talking about drive verification I am willing to bet a large amount that they will use their own firmware / device IDs on commodity drives. Remember from the statement they already raised the idea that drive firmware can have a 40% detrimental impact on reliability.
In all honesty I wouldn’t really care if they were serious about this and offered that firmware for you to install on an already verified drive.
However, we all know that this will be used to enforce single party supply and at much higher pricing. Stock issues with their drives? Fuck you, the customer, just wait for your urgent storage upgrade. Want a diverse manufacturer base in case of design flaws or implementation issues? Fuck you again customer, have all the drives in the array fail at the same time for the same reason. Oh, you have the same drives in the backup NAS? Fuck you with a cherry on top.
Congratulations Synology, you have just become as you aimed for, an appliance company. More realistically you are now in the same business as ink jet printer suppliers. You no longer sell NAS solutions, you sell consumables, with a lock-in, at exorbitant profit margins.
I work in the SMB and Enterprise / Data Centre industries. Synology will never compete in the latter where this sort of approach is barely tolerated but accepted as part of the package. In the SMB space they are finished, neither myself or any of my colleagues will ever recommend Synology again.
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And they better not catch you slipping using other companies drives. OR ELSE.
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Glad I bought a Synology nas already – I won’t get another one, the price gouging is really bad in Canada. At least I can use Seagate drives in the one I have.
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i wonder if the 7000 hrs is 100 drives running for 70 hours a piece, all running at once.
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7000 hours validating? Not even a year.. 100 drives for 70 hours.
It’s like the Mafia’s protection money.
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As of April, 2025, I will no longer be buying Synology products. This is very sad
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You are so fair to Synolgy to close out with that statement but I am not.
The more verified messaging that comes out the worse the whole thing looks. Synolgy will destroy the reputation they created.
I started out knowing nothing about NAS or homelabing, and now I want to expand. The DIY or dedicated machine is something any of us that like these products will confront eventually and this just solidified if I do go with a dedicated machine it will not be Synolgy.
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Looks like QNAP and Asustor will be getting my business in the future.
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“Disheartening for some”. That’s a hard NO. I’ll stick with QNAP.
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You can % this and % that but the drives are 2x as costly. I’ll retain this sentiment until they acknowledge that they rebrand aka slap a new sticker of other manufacturers drives. So they themselves use 3rd party. Hypocritical would be the word we use.
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It is this exact reason why I chose QNAP over Synology when researching for a new NAS. Whoever came up with this idea probably needs to be put on their own performance & testing review ! Let’s see how this pans out over time. GREED
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I worked for a “major storage vendor” in the support engineering group. The hard drives used there were both SAS and SATA based. Several years ago, fiber channel disks were the norm for high performance. All the drives had custom software. All local caching was disabled on the drives to prevent data loss in the case of power failures. (The write complete was the last thing set, and if was not set, any on the fly transactions were simply backed out of the system. The systems phoned home to report failing drives. In many cases, a replacement disk was on the admin’s disk by the time they noticed a disk had failed.(when you have a few hundred petabytes of storage, any chance for failures HAD to be minimized. That being said… there were certain brands of disk I ran into there that I won’t buy. I still avoid those disks, because the huge drive company was happy to send a few pallets of disk drives every few weeks to cover the drives that failed…but I will not put up with level of bad workmanship. When you see drives failing while not even in use, that’s not good. I am quite sure that Synology is using that brand.. Having drives that are certified to work in the storage array is good… every good. Unless they don’t follow up on the manufacturer’s testing. By having WD, Seagate, or whomever put custom configs on the drive is probably what they will be doing. The company I was working for did exactly that. Anything that didn’t have the company’s mark would not work, could not be brought into an array, and could not be accessed in any way by the normal operating system.
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Just you wait… maybe 1-2 years until Synology starts charging for the software as well to increase (“security”).
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Well, time to look for alternatives. I’ll be missing ActiveBackupForBusiness
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Just talked to a Synology Rep About new 2025 Line Up , He said Synology didn’t realize the Negative issues on the Hard Drive situation and
how unhappy people are. Also said reason using old 2018 2019 hardware was to keep prices lower. I said raise CPU to something modern and I will pay the price. Synology will only care if sales are affected.
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Well, there is is. Where is the data that shows their claimed 40% improvement in failure rate? An “appliance model” is not what I want.
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I think you’re spot on as it relates to messaging. Nonetheless we are talking more specifically about “Prosumer or Small Business” consumers here who have already invested in their desired drive brand and have successfully used them without issue. I’ve literally used (18) 14 & 16TB white labeled WD Red shucked drives in 3 NAS’s without a single issue for 5 years. That’s riskier and yet it’s been 100% fine.
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I agree that the ambiguity in Synology’s messaging around this issue gives pause for concern…especially for existing users (like myself). It’s because of this ambiguity that I can’t in good conscious recommend a Synology 2025 plus series NAS model to existing Synology users.
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Only important conclusion from this flustercluck is – don’t buy Synology products.
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Welp…. That is the worst load of BS those clowns have yet to regurgitate. And that is saying something. It is indeed completely over for them, and they don’t even seem to know.
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require drives that you add 50% premium to cost, defiantly feels mostly like a cash grab.
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Synology statement: Marketing BULLSHIT. They do NOT manufacture hard drives. They slap on a sticker. Totally disgusted with this brand now. From Hero to ZERO.
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Come on, be serious anyone that recommended a synology system from now on is playing into the hands of prue corporate greed and nothing more.. If synology branded drives were the same price or cheaper I would believe everything they say but there is zero about there drives that will make this better. What they should have done is just have a synology certified drive and hdd manufacturer would have had to adhere to their certification standards.
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Is there a business model where I can rent out my DS916+ to initialize drives for new 925+ purchasers?
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Come on, be serious anyone that recommended a synology system from now on is playing into the hands of prue corporate greed and nothing more.. If synology branded drives were the same price or cheaper I would believe everything they say but there is zero about there drives that will make this better. What they should have done is just have a synology certified drive and hdd manufacturer would have had to adhere to their certification standards.
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There statement actually proves that non synology drive work just fine because they stated that the have 40% less issues with compatible drives and there is no way in hell that many people are using synology branded drives in there nas, in fact I think stuff all people are using branded drivers as there is no reason atm to buy a synology branded drive that literally cost more money for nothing. How did they get there bullshit data. It’s clearly not from end users using synology branded drives, because no one is actually using them.
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it is worrying esp since the last time i had any problems with my synology nas, it was the nas itself that croaked. was able to just pop the drives into a newer model to get it working again but it looks like i might be able to do so in the future unless i can source an older model that accepts the drives ????
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I’ve only had Synology devices for about 4-5 years, with one installed at home and one installed at my parents, mostly because of SHR and the first-party apps like photos, drive, and Active backup, and that it was just simple to use. But this news has me exploring docker alternatives for easier migration for when it is time to replace mine in the future, be it QNAP, UGreen, or maybe even TrueNAS.
Even if the HAT 3310 Plus drives are comparable in price to others on the market, it is still hard to accept this decision for a consumer/prosumer device. They should have just kept this requirement at the business level devices.
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What concerns me is that a channel like your will still recommend their products. This is something that may lead to other brands to do just the same. Your channel convinced me to get their product, bought the first on and then deployed one to my dad and my brother was the next to get his.
One thing that concerns me is the fact that if the drives have a problem, like 2 drives fail, and there is no synology hard drive available in stores? I live in Brazil, we barely have nas drives to buy, imagine a specific model from a specific company. Another thing is value. I use to change my spinning drives every 2 years. Wipe them out, migrate, sell the older ones and recoup my money a little bit. What will happen now? We will pay for overpriced HDD and if you decide to sell it, only specific set of people will buy them from you, but even lower than what they pay for regular drives. This is not enviromentally friendly too.
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Damn. I was hoping 3rd party drives would result in a lack of technical support. This looks like a hard stop on installation, and regrettably a hard stop on my continued customer patronage with Synology. I only run Synology endorsed enterprise drives by Western Digital because that way the drives are larger than the kind of with Synology branding. All my memory and nvme are Synology branding. But whatever, I’m very disappointed and will probably switch to some other product in the future.
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Damn, Synology(
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I just recently bought a 923+. First time buyer. This replaces a drobo 5n that finally died. I guess my ride with Synology is limited to this one unit because I will not buy another Synology if this policy persists.
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Thank Heavens there are alternatives to Synology. I wish them well with their arrogance and ignorant behaviour!
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I’d like to know how much they charge the hdd manufacturers to “certify” their drives?
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I’m AAAAAAOOOOOUUUUT!
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Qnap and uGreen is applauding this decision. ????
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I currently have 5 synology devices, I was hoping to replace with 2025 models, what a shame, i will not now. I do not trust synology to keep the drive compatibility list up to date, very disappointed by removal of 10gbe, removal of h265 native support, even older cpu with no transcoding support. I do certainly think they are ditching soho / home prouser market.
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Yeah, I’m not a fan on this. Drives are largely agnostic, and “drive issues” they talk about, is down to user choose and using drives more likely to fail, not any sort of made up compatibility and “increased” data risk. This is most likely down to partnerships, drive rebranding and “Synology tax”. I have considered Synology, and would recommend them to other for software simplicity, but not anymore. I don’t wanna use Seagate drives, I’ve had bad experiences years ago, and statistically they do have a higher failure rate in the first few weeks. I personally have WD Reds in my 2 QNAPs (1 offsite – and those drives are 8 years old this year), and not mixed drives in DIY NAS, a couple are Seagate, but were lifted from free devices. Not once have I have experienced any hardware issues or compatibility, they 2 times I have had to contact QNAP support have been related to software/app updates that have broken something, and were fixed. This lockdown is purely a money grab exercise, and limiting drives available, where it reduces flexibility and agility if there are bad drives/models for people and companies, which does happy from time to time, then what Synology? You gonna compensate for data lose? No, I doubt that are you!
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They just Bud Lighted themselves
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Wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal if they didn’t overcharge like crazy for these S drives. As it stands, I am in the market for a new NAS and I will NO LONGER be considering Synology.
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After 12 years, it’s time for me to say goodbye to symbology, I was very fed up with how close system they are now it is way too much, they preferred me to rely on their hard drivers other than brands which have been the Marcus for many many years what an idiot movement for a company
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I’d doesn’t matter if they add WD and seagate drives eventually. The trust is gone. I buy a reliable product and trust I will get long term stable communication. This is hogwash. Everyone I help manage their NAS for agree as well. We will move on from Synology.
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This is a very unnecessary and anti-consumer move. Even if you take their statement at face value, there’s a far better solution: just force the customer to acknowledge that by using unverified drives they will relinquish their right to user assistance from Synology.
It’s ridiculous for a company whose whole business is making drives work together, to give up on making drives work together unless you pay extra.
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Im glad I got a Ugreen
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QNAP IS CALLING ME.
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I think they have been showing the prosumer the door for a while now. I am sure other manufactures will be glad to fill this void. Synology has become all about the enterprise now. My equipment is still fairly new so it will be a while before I upgrade. Time to let all this shake out. I am thinking QNAP, but we will see.
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It will be interesting to see how they handle support requests.
If you have an issue with a Synology drive, will Synology then handle replacements, or will the customers still have to source this themselves?
I can see a customer being pretty upset if left to find a replacement from a single manufacturer rather than pick any drive from a QVL.
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Who’s kidding who, this move is ALL ABOUT GREED! Their stance is we’re only allowing our drives to protect you…. ????????????????????They better fix this or they are going to lose a LOT OF CUSTOMERS!!!
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The whole point of hard drives is they just work in the machine you put it in. But now im off to another nas supplier its such a pity as synology have good software I hate companies who are not thinking of their customers but rather their bottom line.
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Synology is over here telling us that we aren’t allowed to use anything but their blessed drives in their new systems while enthusiasts have been hacking Synology DSM to run on unofficial hardware. I think the group that know how to build a nas will probably jump ship and Synology branded drives will become the “Apple tax” of the Synology world that people will just be okay with paying.
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Great video! I think you missed one crucial thing though: I (and I am sure many other Synology users) would want to invest in the new series of models even though only Synology drives are supported IF the hardware would be truly updated so we would get something in return. So I think they should’ve wait one more iteration with this as I am sure they will jump on the AI-bandwagon as well (or they will cease to exist by the time it is 2030). So my advise to everyone who can and want to stay with them is: skip this iteration and wait for the new models coming in 2027-2028.
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Um someone just ask that ugreen nas ? That good?
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synology are talking oyut of their arse with that statement.
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Synology 8TB drive £225
Seagate Iron Wolf Pro £202
£23 difference, does that really put people off when you are spending £1400 on a 4 bay NAS. For me I dont really care, but I do care that their hardware in comparison to other manufacturers basically sucks and is falling further behind.
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Considering the supply chain is still Poo’d you’ll need to order your Synology drives a month before you order your Synology NAS.
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I think this is a Disservice to those of us who are EX or active IT people who loved using this product as an appliance and chose to use NAS Drives… I chose EXOS drives I will be building a dedicated NAS in my future and FIRING SYNOLOGY… I mean I really wanted Transcoding at a better level on my 920+ when I chose it… but the 1Gb LAN was always a bottleneck… even for my Photo business on my local LAN. Was waiting eagerly for the 925+, but now… FORGET SYNOLOGY… Buh BYE!!!
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Listen Synology, you still have time to fire department(s) responsible for this idea and start making more powerful devices and follow up basic standards. No, I don’t want to buy your sodimms, no I don’t want to buy your hdds, no I don’t want to buy your nvmes. Your OS is good. But it is not a deal breaker. Vendor lock is.
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Looks like I will be going Ugreen with my next NAS unless some one comes up with a work around to this drive locking nonsense
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Hopefully this is some kind of April Fools joke by Synology.
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I’m so glad I decided to go with Ugreen for my NAS solution because even if I hate what Ugreen does software-wise I can always install a custom OS
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This is part of the reason I have ditched my 1621+ for a homebuilt NAS running Proxmox and TrueNas. So much better and more fun too.
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So glad i just decided to build my own, may have been more headache but I’m not locked in to an ecosystem like apple does, it’s just shitty and i refuse to support any company that does this even if i have to figure out an alternative the hard way. FUCK CORPORATE GREED.
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Hahahhaaaa – sorry Synology – but I’m out now…
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the worry is that I have a DS1520+ and I am cheap and use refurbished hard drives when I decide to upgrade my Synology can i move or migrate the Drives to the new unit?
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I had no idea that UGREEN makes NAS, thanks @Synology for opening my eyes.
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I was thinking about buying a synology but they’ve convinced me to repurpose old pc parts and use truenas instead. I won’t tolerate companies telling me what I can and can’t do with hardware and software I bought and paid for.
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As of 04 2025 the functionality and features of the Synology Hyperbackup is unique among the other top NAS brands. My research showed that there are no out of the box solutions from the other vendors that come even close. Please let me know if I am wrong. Until then I am locked into Synology ????
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Soooo….Synology will be joining the likes of Bambu Labs.
They make good products, but a mistake like this will cost them, in terms of Customer base.
I wish them the best, they will see how this works out… by customers buying their products or not.
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???????????? Synology………………………Qnap the new KING of the game
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Until somebody puts out a real alternative to active backup, they still own the small business space.
For example, I’ve really struggled to find a sufficient alternative for locally backing up Office365. (open to suggestions if there’s some gem out there ive missed)
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I’ve already made my opinion of this known in various forums. One thing I thought of today was that I bet Synology is thinking they can squeeze the HDD vendors – There’s already a cost associated with rebranding HDD’s from manufacturers but this new “testing” requirement and some interesting wording in their statement makes me think that there’s even more to it. For example, “A more seamless purchasing experience” sounds to me like they want to pull an Apple move and control the entire chain. By controlling the model ID’s of drives they “certify” they can guarantee only drives they “certify”, i.e. get a cut of sales on, will work in their device. I think they’ve grossly overestimated their industry power, and SMB integrators are going to be steering customers to other more cost-effective solutions. Even at the enterprise level, which Synology barely even registers at, this won’t fly – HDD’s are a commodity when you’re purchasing them by the case or pallet. For the consumer level looking for something slightly (4 or 6 year old CPU? WTF) more performant than the non-plus models – I’m willing to bet this will be a pass too, especially since they will be competing with re-certified drives at a significant discount and Synology hardware costs are becoming more and more unrealistic in the face of competition with “good enough” solutions.
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My 1522+ is increasing in value by the day – even without tariffs!!!????????????
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This probably has a lot to do with people new to network storage picking up used units for cheap, loading them with flaky, randomly sized drives, and then begging for help recovering from the dumpster fire they put themselves in.
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imagine being a channel about NAS’s and promoting synology still. if it was my channel id cut them out right away
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Proprietary memory, Proprietary network Nics, Proprietary HHDs and SSDs, no USB connection compatibility, a reliable system is one that works with the most wide manufacture hardware, NOT one that is closed down by Proprietary crap.
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i really think nothing to see here, if your busines user just use synology drives (its not much more), if your a home/pro user plenty of better more powerful bespoke solutions out there for the price/fun!
synology plus’s are for the peoples who just want a boring reliable dependable well engineered **software stack** (the hardware is incidental)
its my goto for business customers, that won’t change …. BUT i would *never* buy one for my own use, save the monies, build your own NAS, get a ugreen etc, and if your a pro user, mess around with openmediavault/truenas etc.. etc.. etc…
PS if their software stack ever started going downhill… now that is definitely something to shout and scream about… ITS WHAT YOUR REALLY PAYING FOR
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For me, requiring “compatible” drives wouldn’t be an issue if there was no markup. But, of course…
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I don’t mind the HDD, I’m planning to buy a 2023 for my third party drives and a 2025 with branded drives. More concerned about the cashing SSD because branded ones are ridiculously expensive, I’ll definitely try stuffing a Samsung drive in there, if doesn’t work I’ll set it up first on the 2023, as well as third party RAM.
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@NASCompares : Louis Rodman, who is that ???
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Synology = Fascists!????
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Never used any of their products and never will, f**k synology.
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Also why are seagate drives on their existing compatability lists but now for some reason not good enough for the new 2025 NAS’s ?., whats happened to the drives to suddenly make them not worthy ?.
Come on Synology explain yourself ?.
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what a joke ????
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Bye Bye Synology
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Synology would be much better off charging for support rather than dictating drive “compatibility”. They could, for example, include support for free with their drives and charge something (reasonable) for drives on the compatibility list of previous models (to allow NAS upgrades), and a higher rate for drives not on any compatibility list.
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They want that data center money but that wont happen since if a HDD goes down that means they need to replace with approved HDD only and if they are not in stock the data center loses money waiting on a replacement. The CEO of synology is truly incompetent.
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that seals it, ugreen DXP 4800 Plus and Truenas
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Illl try qnap or ugreen done with synology
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Haha nice explanation Synology – let me summarize:
Sales figures are down because we are not offering something customers want and line MUST go up, plus we will have to support our customers less. Win Win… except for customer.
I will vote with my wallet…FTSIO ????
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Hi QNAP, looks like you will be making your way on my network now.
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I don’t think I bought enough popcorn ????
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Synology is NOT a HHD and SSD manufactory. Their drives are ONLY OEM (do not know where). Unless the policy change, I will not buy their products anymore.
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Our IronWolf Pro drives have been running reliably in half a dozen Synology and QNAP units for years without issue.
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I’m very disappointed. I bought my first Synology in 2013. I currently have two rack mounts, one for data, one for backup. I have to 923’s at my son’s house to provide storage for my grand daughter while she is going through college. Again, one for data and one for backup. Then I have off sight storage between the two houses.
I’ve also recommended and help set up Synology for a number of friends.
So, where am I going to be headed? Definitely not Synology. They are throwing out the people who helped build their market.
For me, probably Unifi NAS. I like the operating system of Synology, but it’s not required and there are many other choices. It will be a while before I make changes and I’m sure that other companies are going to jump at the chance or increasing their product share which hopefully means high powered processors and more capability from these manufacturers
As a side note, having had 8 synology NAS’s over the last 12 years and having used drives considered obsolete, well used, brand new, certified used, the only problems I’ve had is an occasional drive go bad. How much more compatible can a device be?
Oh, and one last thought, how long will they support firmware and software upgrades for these “old, out of date” models? Probably not long.
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compared to other people bitching and moaning oh down with synology.
I’m more inclined to wait and see how this pans out, the logical thing would be that they limit the NASes to use their own drives AND verified/tested/approved 3rd party drives which would make sense if they want to bring down drive issue related problems by internally validating 3rd party drives.
its possible that the compatibility page for the 25 models just haven’t validated 3rd party drives yet and only their ones.
thats the best case scenario, worse one is that they are only going to support their own drives, in which case there will be a lot of backlash.
for now Ill wait and see compared to others already jumping to conclusions and raising their pitchforks
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Overpriced yet under specified and now highly restrictive and heavily proprietary. Unbelievable
Went over to self build Unraid system. Wow, what a huge difference for my Plex only system. Wish I’d made the change years ago
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thanks wd for selling smr as wdred
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@nascompares please give QNAP more coverage. They just released another update yesterday. Lots of good stuff going on with them…
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Off topic, but I’m impressed by how not-immediately obvious the AI voice is. A little disturbing, but still impressive.
On topic: Guess I’m definitely going with a QNAP NAS. Wish they’d make a 864 / 86whatever it ends up being.
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Sounds like Synology wants to leverage into more of the business market and away from the home market. Businesses tend to lean towards a single point of contact with a vendor (and avoid finger pointing i.e. The hard drive is the problem, no it’s the NAS chassis that is the problem…..). As you said, the home market has choices so I guess I don’t see what the problem is. If Synology fits your use case; great! If it doesn’t, then move on to other choices.
Down the road Synology will have to decide if it made the right choices for its’ business.
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This is somewhat old news to me, ever since they locked you to their m2s just for a silly pool, and effectively dumped prosumer years ago, none of this is remotely shocking. I just dont understand all the hype for something easy to predict…
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We’ve had enough of experts. I’ll say it.
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A+ thumbnail image!
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This was very scary.
I have a 5 year old 8-bay device. If the NAS box breaks, I was under the understanding that a could move my drives to a new nas box.
I’m using “WD Red Pro NAS Hard Drive – 12TB” with 2 x Samsung nvme as RW cache.
What if the drives are not support on the new box???
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I’m happy with my Synos as LUN storage. At least this works fine on that v 3 kernel. Would I recommend Syno? As pure NAS, I used to.
With stuff like ugreen and those little ssd NAS boxes, no, not anymore. I like open systems more.
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well no upgrades from me, their drives are more expensive and have less capacity than what’s in the market
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Synology is dead to me with this drive policy. Not to mention lack of 10GbE multi gig in 2025 as a default. The software is good but not that good.
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lets just wait and see. highly disappointing if they only allow “their” drives – it just feels icky and screams corporate greed.
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I don’t see how you can currently still recommend Synology. As of now, you HAVE to buy their HDDs for the new models and those cost even more bucks than any sane priced non Synology branded HDD. Which i also find too expensive in the first place. So how the f** am I going to buy an über expensive Synology HDD?
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the fact that they are enforcing this whole method, removes them from my purchase/recommend list. i focus on users taking control of THEIR hardware and data. this is a limit for my customers, and would put ME into a wall with no options. i personally use a Qnap, and have very happy with it.
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No more Synology for me!
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They no greedier than any company. The problem is their dsm is so standout. They are trying to capture more of the pie. Their mgt should be fired for not doing what all major tech companies are doing to build a moat around their brand. And capture as much revenue inside the castle. (Google workspace pricing, apple ecosystem etc) Whether the cost indifferent appliance user base wins out over the cost sensitive tinkerer user base time will tell. I place great store in the stability and user friendliness of dsm. I will wince at drive pricing but will probably cough up. The problem is there is no competitor close to dsm in sight. And they are milking that. Why not.
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Dumped synology 2 years ago when they started the warning nonsense with their HDDs after almost 20 years. F synology. Good riddance.
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All the unkowns you asked about from 13:44 onwards: if Synology had any interest in being straightforward, they would’ve answered those on Day 1 (today). They didn’t, which means we probably won’t like the answers. These were obvious questions people asked three years ago: it’s not a surprise Synology refused to answer it three years and still today. You seem to be giving them far too much unearned credit, mate.
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Synology has now killed their popularity. This is basically a Apple approach of only allowing their ‘own’ / ‘approved’ drives. Shame.
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Translation we plan to go out of business as we transition to proprietary equipment because we believe we are too big to fail. They forgot what RAID means, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives… Move along.
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The problem with this whole Synology endeavor is that the Seagate Ironwolf drives I have been using for 5 continuous-never-off years have worked FLAWLESSLY. It ain’t broke. Why are they forcing a fix?
This makes no sense.
Also… the last time I updated a hard drives firmware was in 2013 and it was some weird Mac-only compatibility thing. The idea that Synology (who regularly pulls DSM updates and re-releases them) would be the ONLY team in charge of firmware updates to my storage media is terrifying.
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I have a DS1522+ and I was going to switch up from 5x12TB drives (shucked + a couple of Reds) to 5x20TB (all shucked). I’d already picked up 3 of the Elements units before this all blew up. While I can continue with my plan I’ve lost total confidence in the brand. My natural instinct would be to go for a 6 or 8 bay down the line but the whole murky situation of moving a drive pool to DS**25+ model and what restrictions (or not) that may bring is not something I’d want to get involved in. So I’m seriously considering bringing my plans forward and starting afresh with a 6 bay QNAP TS-664. Shame.
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Oh, well…
With the influx of numerous new players in the NAS market, abandoning Synology has never been easier.
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It really looks like the 920+ may have been the peak I had been hoping to upgrade and move forward with newer models into the future but it’s really looking like I will need to move onto another system once it’s time to upgrade????
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Synology is very disappointing. First, I wait years for them to finally embrace 2.5Gbit. Now this money grab on HDD support! Pathetic. Another example of stupid leadership likely only looking for $$$ and not realizing they are destroying themselves.
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I hate… chickens…
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R.I.P. Synology 2025
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Wondering if they are banking on the increase of sales of synology drives to help drive down the price of their over priced drives.
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That Synology statement is some of the biggest bullshit lies I have ever heard in tech…
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The question needs to be asked, if you can only use Synology drves, why even stick with standards like SATA and NVMe? I guess they’ve crunched the numbers and think they might sell some drives to Asustor, QNAP and Ugreen customers…The part that bothers me most is that one of the things I like about NAS is its flexibility. You start with a four-bay NAS, but some drives in it, and then in the future, you decide to migrate it to more drives or larger capacities. If you must have Synology drives, it assumes you have a clear idea of what you will do with the hardware and how much space you need from the outset. Or you’ll be buying even more Synology-branded drives six months later. So much for system evolution…I predict the kickback from this plan will be brutal.
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Synology drive policy is as coherent as US trade policy.
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Reduce customer’s problem by reduce number of customer. Smart, very smart.
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just dont bother with synology problem solved
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ゴミにお金を払う必要はありません
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simple boycott synology components – until they reverse there stance, the only requirement is that it should be an enterprise drive,
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This is the beginning of the end of the dominance of large consumer NAS manufacturers, only HP has more cheeky behavior with their statements. DIY and OpenSource were already slowly burying them, and after a dozen small Chinese manufactories joined the process, the future of companies like Synology in the consumer market is very vague!
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40% reduction? Of an already small number though right? Soooo I rather have freedom and cheaper disks.
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Well, I’m looking to replace my ageing 4-bay Synology DS416j.
This sort of anti-consumer nonsense has helped me make the decision not to buy another Synology NAS, so that’s -1 customer for them.
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Synology branded drives seem to be Toshiba
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I have used Synology for over 20 years. Never again. They will permanently exclude third parties and charge more for their drives.
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Conclusion: buy the DS923+ whilst it is available. Or switch to the QNAP 464.
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1522 is the end for me i guess, i get 16tb exos drives for $170 new
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I’ve been holding off migrating from my old DS1815+, but this mess has helped me decide to just switch to a DS1522+ with a 10 GbE card while they’re still available. Should serve me well for another 8-10 years! ????
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Well Synology executive won’t be able to blame Trump for this company tanking.
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Rebranding Toshiba and Seagate drives and doubling the price tag is pure greed. Hopefully some EU regulator steps in and bans sale of Synology products in EU.
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Even as a Chinese, sometimes I have no idea why these Taiwan tech companies keep doing things like that, greed alone can’t explain this, this is stupid and greed beyond normal human standards.
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I am SO GLAD I pulled the trigger on a new Unraid server. Laughing all the way to a superior platform over here LOL!
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That does it, I am going for Asustor. Flash version.
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Bye bye Synology… Not buying their drives “just because”… Besides, their hardware isn’t really as powerful as it should be for the price that is paid. The only reason I stuck with them versus building my own is because I liked the apps and their attention to security but if they are going to make purchasing their drives a requirement for the “Plus” models, that is where I get off their train. I don’t think they understand their ProSumer / Consumer customers. What I don’t understand is why they can’t just let us use the drives and make a disclaimer that they will not support the models using 3rd party drives if the drives are the cause of the problem, rather than not letting us use them at all. Just another big company doing stupid big company things!
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Synology have completely lost their minds and this will kill their business. Their reasons are all obviously lies and it’s insulting they even try to trick us with them. I wouldn’t mind if their drives were easier to get and good value for money, but they’re neither. They’ve made their new hardware only work with drives no one can or will buy. People will just buy different hardware that can use the drives they can get.
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The only thing i am waiting for is if they restrict drives for all the OLD models once they figure out no one buys the new ones any longer… I could see that happen.
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What a BS statement…. I just build my own TrueNAS box and call it a day
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What a BS statement…. I just build my own TrueNAS box and call it a day
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Synology have finally burnt the last of the customer goodwill!
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Synology have finally burnt the last of the customer goodwill!
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Let me get this right Seagate make Synology drives, but Seagate nas drives aren’t up to their standards. Let’s be honest Synology are trying to kill of their consumer side of the business because they can’t compete against new players.
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Let me get this right Seagate make Synology drives, but Seagate nas drives aren’t up to their standards. Let’s be honest Synology are trying to kill of their consumer side of the business because they can’t compete against new players.
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Who are they even targeting with such a commercial strategy?
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Who are they even targeting with such a commercial strategy?
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Gonna say, they have crossed the line and i thought they already crossed it with the hevc and video station debacle.
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Gonna say, they have crossed the line and i thought they already crossed it with the hevc and video station debacle.
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Howdy
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Howdy
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I’ve been wanting to get the UGREEN NAS for ages. It wasn’t available in the UK so I got a Synology for the first time two months ago… now Synology do this and UGREEN NAS is available in the UK. Why oh why!
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Update – The Synology DS925+ NAS is now available in the East. More on this, early pricing, HDD compatibility and the hardware here – https://nascompares.com/2025/04/23/synology-ds925-nas-released-in-the-east/
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The biggest joke is not even the enforced hdd-policy, but that my DS1522+ from 2022 has the same AMD CPU that they’ll put into most of the 25+ series and the DS1522+ has 8GB ECC and you’re lucky to see that in the 25+ lineup… Basically zero reason to upgrade to begin with.
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First, I hope everything goes well in the hospital appointment, God bless her.
Now about knowledge, I have a DS715 for so many years I love my unit and I have 2x 8 TB drives Western digital red , of being housing for a long time before upgrading I was prepared to spend thousand pounds in a new unit, this makes me very frustrated because the hardware is expensive from knowledge and they leave us very tight in terms of what we can and cannot do now they’re doing this. The lost a costumer are gonna go elsewhere
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I’ve been using Synology NAS for a long time. I have looked at them for a long time the low equipment compared to the competition. But now the patronising in choosing the HDD or SSD is too much for me.
If Synology really implements this, I will change the manufacturer. Bye Synology
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Sad to see how Synology is manoeuvring itself into irrelevance. Who in their right mind wants to be locked in into their a) underpowered and b) overpriced hardware? DSM is good, but not as good to override the severe hardware disadvantages (not just w.r.t storage) one has to accept when choosing Synology.
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RIP Synology
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Makes a lot of sense with the latest news. Refreshing as much of the lineup as possible to ones that force any new users to use your rebranded drives
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Who is the CEO of Synology? Trump?… They are acting as if we have no other options in the market.
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UPDATE #3 – (22/04) – I have been in communication with several representatives from Synology regarding this matter to get further clarification on this from them. The following statement was provided by a senior Synology representative and provided publicly with their consent :
“Synology’s storage systems have been transitioning to a more appliance-like business model. Starting with the 25-series, DSM will implement a new HDD compatibility policy in accordance with the published Product Compatibility List. Only listed HDDs are supported for new system installations. This policy is not retroactive and will not affect existing systems and new installations of already released models. Drive migrations from older systems are supported with certain limitations.
As of April 2025, the list will consist of Synology drives. Synology intends to constantly update the Product Compatibility List and will introduce a revamped 3rd-party drive validation program.”
Reason for the new Synology HCL Policy:
Each component in a Synology storage solution is carefully engineered and tested to maintain data security and reliability. Based on customer support statistics over the past few years, the use of validated drives results in nearly 40% fewer storage-related issues and faster issue diagnostics and resolution.
– Each validated hard drive on the compatibility list undergoes over 7,000 hours of comprehensive compatibility testing across platforms to ensure operational reliability.
– Technical support data shows that validated drives result in a 40% lower chance of encountering critical disk issues.
– For models that have adopted the new hard drive compatibility policy, severe storage anomalies have decreased by up to 88% compared to previous models.
By adhering to the Product Compatibility List, we can significantly reduce the variances introduced by unannounced manufacturing changes, firmware modifications, and other variations that are difficult for end-users and Synology to identify, much less track. Over the past few years, Synology has steadily expanded its storage drive ecosystem, collaborating with manufacturing partners to ensure a stable and consistent lineup of drives with varying capacities and competitive price points. Synology intends to expand its offerings and is committed to maintaining long-term availability, which is not available with off-the-shelf options. We understand that this may be a significant change for some of our customers and are working on ways to ease the transition. Synology is already collaborating with our partners to develop a more seamless purchasing experience, while maintaining the initial sizing and post-install upgrade flexibility that DSM platforms are renowned for.” – Senior Synology Representative on the record.
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With all this from sinology, maybe its better to build you own NAS i the end
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I wish for the EU and pretty much any country to take an official position, making unlawful to lock spare oarts compatibility or limit functionalities to “genuine” parts.
They partially demonstrated they can do it with USB-C and right-to-repair. They should fo the same fir everything!
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Synology: Let’s make our competitors great again!
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I’ve bought two NAS over the last years. Both from Synology. There’s no way I’m buying a locked one… Time to look at the competitors. Vote with your wallets
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Imho not a smart move. They’ve always been a little bit behind the ball on hardware relying on their software to carry them. Others are catching up and now they’ve just opened the door to a flood of alternatives whose hardware is superior and software is quickly catching up. Some alternatives even allow you to install third-party software such as trueness or unpaid. Bye-bye Synology.
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So does it make sense to buy a DS1522+ now vs. waiting for the DS1525+?
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synology became uninteresting a few years ago when they began using amd chips without any transcoding features.. and it was evident even back then that they were going in a more “business” oriented route.. aka fuck home users
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Next NAS is no Synology – bye!
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I love watching the videos on this channel,
but I always end up with build your own NAS. I want to be able to replace every part of my NAS at will OS, hard drives, SSDs, motherboard, case etc. If one part fails I want to be able to swap out that part with another off the shelf part. Synology just want to reduce features and lock in users. Yeah, no thanks, I will pass. ????
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I’m going to vomit. It would mean farewell Synology
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Was trying to decide between Synology and building my own NAS,. They just made the decision easier…
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I have had multiple Synology NAS’ over last 15 years. From 2, 4, 5 bays to enterprise level. You will not dictate me what to use. You can keep my middle finger !
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That’s okay I’ve got a DS718+. Boycott! Going down the NVIDIA route! JUMP SHIP! This is where they forget about the users that made them and chase enterprise! lol RIP Synology! We have 30TB on the market right now. Synology’s drive compatibility is never updated! and years behind! Can we get a review for free NAS now? Updated…
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Just to say … SHIT I was about to buy one 1825+
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I can’t be the only one who got into NAS, after already having a bunch of disparate HDD enclosures (or disks sitting on shelves alone) and figured I might aswell group them in a box and have raid support. If you have to get in with full ticket price with 4 brand new drives, the situation is completely different, not to mention they already do like 10000% margin on their trash bottom of the barrel hardware.
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I wanted to upgrade to Synology DS925+ — But with full functionality only available with Synology/Toshiba drives: No thanks.
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if its true – ill never buy their products in my house…
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Synology know its day is numbered, so they try to go out in their own term.
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Looking to tech refresh my DS1019+ w/DX517 soon. Sadly, Synology has lost my business. Currently looking at the QNAP TVS-h1688X-W1250-32G but it looks a bit dated.
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Synology blinded by money
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The last piece in my decision, uGreen is the next NAS for me
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ゴミ
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Time to get out of synology… This wont work out for them at all!
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I literally was going to bye the ds925+ and move my ds918+ drives into it.
It’s a shame i didn’t want to move to another nas supplier.
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If true, this is going to be a real stupid move… As a manufacturer, you can recommend your own drives, but forcing them down your clients throats only serves to alienate your clients from your brand. Many years ago, I bought a Western Digital My Cloud NAS. It had Western Digital drives in it, which is fair, but you cannot sell me an empty NAS and then tell me that I MUST buy your hard drives as well. If Synology wants to do that, then they must start selling their NAS units with the hard drives included.
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Looks like i wont be buying another synology product
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I can see it now: computer manufacturers will require the user buy only their proprietary drives.
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Dang, was waiting for their 2025 offering. Not doing it now. No thanks.
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This is a huge betrayal for the loyal synology fans. I loved my synology. I would happily scoff at the likes of qnap and asustor, but now synology turns around and stabs people like me in the back. Screw synology. I won’t be recommending them to anyone anymore.
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You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
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All the harddisks will still work just like now there only will be a warning like there already is when you add non synology drives.. what a big amount of fear is being spread. being able to migratie your discs form the old to the new says enough. just some silly functions like firmware update and lifespan prediction crap wont work
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Congratulations to Synology. After being a customer for 14 year you are now on the permanent ban list. This is the 1+1 how to maximise money move. This has NOTHING to do with compatibility PERIOD.
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Tis happening. Purchased a new 1821+ to replace my 920+. My hc550 wd 18 tb drives are not on the compatibility list therefore they don’t work… they worked fine foe years in my old nas. Reached out to syno, they gave me bs about testing and compatibility, bla bla. I am very disappointed. It was the last synology product I buy. I was a loyal customer for over a decade. Nas-s, even security cameras. They gave me the finger.
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Removing their media center was bad enough, but this is just asinine. How do they expect to survive as a company like this?
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locked in – its a negative word because it is negative for its consumers and we should not stop using it but call it out for what it is, another money grab. synology has not started “manufacturing” drives, they whitelabeling existing wd drives (may be with a special touch from them).
this should be called out, and yes, negatively called out.
also this is not hardware based, its simple software detection, as of writing this you can setup your drives in an OLD synology (pre 2025) and use the drivearay in the new nas w/o issues.
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Synology got me into the world of NAS
They were my first, and my second
With the way this company’s going, they have lost my business
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That means I’m not upgrading my DS713+ to anything Synology.
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I wrote to them and here is their response: With the launch of the new Synology 25 Plus series product lineup, Synology is introducing a streamlined compatibility policy designed to enhance reliability and improve user experience. Synology-branded drives will be needed for use in the newly announced Plus series, with plans to update the Product Compatibility List as additional drives can be thoroughly vetted in Synology systems.
Additionally, Synology will be introducing a carefully curated drive compatibility framework for those wanting to integrate third-party drives into their Synology systems. Users can submit drives for a comprehensive testing and documentation process. Drives that meet Synology’s stringent standards may be validated for use, offering flexibility while maintaining system integrity.
It is important to note that existing Synology products released prior to the ‘25 series will continue to support third-party drives in accordance with current compatibility guidelines, and this change does not affect J and Values Series models. Additionally, users will be able to migrate older drives from previous Synology models into the new ‘25 models, ensuring that their data is still accessible and protected.
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If you would like to recommend a third-party drive for future consideration in our compatibility lists for the 2025 product line, you can submit your suggestion through our website using the following link:
https://www.synology.com/en-us/form/suggest_device
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I’ve been using Syno NAS’s for nearly ten years, but if their going this route, I’m done.
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Synology now synonymous with greed
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Unfortunately, this locks me out of buying a new Synology NAS to replace my 920+.
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Looks like the last Synology NAS I bought will remain the last Synology drive I will ever buy.
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Well two can play the locking game. When I need new NAS devices, I will be locking my money away from Synology and I suggest others do the same. We cannot allow companies like Synology to get away with this shit. Vote with your money. It’s the only thing these companies understand!
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236€ for 8TB drive in Europe. Yikes! Also totally stops using used drives.
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Goodbye and good riddance to them.
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Maybe such leaked information is just a marketing ploy to more easily sell-off the current generation of products, thinking that will be still able to run third-party drives on current generation, and that everything will be different after the new generation will be released? Anyway, if this is reality, I’m already annoyed that when I was equipping myself with several NAS models 1-2 years ago, I should have tried QNAP.
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This is bad, I’ve been eyeing Synology nas to buy but this makes me vomit ????. Hello other brands.????
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Was waiting for the DS925 updates, but this change means I’ll be passing. Bye Synology
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Aaaaand just like that Synology lost the home / small business users for the next Gen. We had a fun run, time to go back to truenas
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So glad I got rid of my 918+. And, if they keep it up, my 220j is next. There are at least 3 other brands (Asustor, Ugreen and Terramaster) that haven’t come over all stupid like. Synology has lost the plot and their software is not worth the squeeze of having to buy ‘their’ (sic) own brand HW.
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Bye bye next time.
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Absolutely horrendous indeed.
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I really liked synology, but it looks like my DS923 will be my last nas from synology
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American’s don’t list tax on online items being sold because they expect you to figure it out. All the states have different sales tax (their equivalent of GST) and online companies have never listed sales tax for every state.
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Synology bye, bye ….
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Synology: Founded 2000, Died 2025.
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I don’t mind good manufacturers doing this sort of thing. As long as they have the quality and performance to back up such decisions, I just roll with it. I’ll be expanding my Synology NAS soon with an extra 5 bays expansion of the (NON 2025)series. That buys me about 12-18 months before I have to seriously revisit this matter.
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No more synology for my own or for my customers
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Fuk synology. They haven’t been consumer friendly for years. Overpriced underpowered hardware with more unnecessary consumer unfriendly decisions. I left them 2 years ago after almost 15 years. Good riddance.
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Won’t be buying Synology anymore
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Is this legal in the EU ???
Lock out competition??????????
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Synology is making a “Broadcom” ????????
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I have bought three Synology NAS boxes as I upgraded over the years. My next upgrade will NOT be Synology if I am forced to buy specific storage.
Bye bye Synology ????????????
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My condolences to the Synology family, is there a link to their eulogy?
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Suicide. But Synology, you can speed up things by letting all DSM versions exclude ‘non-compatible hard drives’.
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I latey built an DIY 8bay/10gbit/x64/UnRaid NAS for less than I paid for my DS423+ and their stupid proprietary 10gbit addon-card that doesn’t even support WOL. Should have gone that route a long time ago.
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If this is true then Synology as a solution for me is off the table. I do not want to be locked into one specific brand. Plus, capacity and pricing is important to me.
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“they’ve gone full _______” – Kirk Lazaus -Tropic Thunder.
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Synology really fell in love with the100% markup on their own drives.
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Any news about an update for the RS816 ?
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You talk way too fast. Can’t take it.
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I have been waiting forever for a ds1825+… and when I heard this news it really depressed me. In all honesty I was waiting to give Synology another 1500 Canadian for my next NAS. Now what I’ve done, as of today is put in motion and bought a new server with an Intel i5-12500 based system with 10Gb capable Ethernet connection. Well, that ended up costing me about $2,000 and I’m going to have to pony up another $200 for an UNRAID licence. Obviously my hardware will be better and I’m hoping the UNRAID software system will be just as impressive. For me, the worst part is I really do like Synology. But if UNRAID is anywhere near as good as other people are saying, I will never go back to Synology. As a side note I have three other synergies running in my office as well, and they also may be my last ones.
Synology, I have to say, you’re really shooting yourself in the foot. But thanks for the last 12 years anyway. Bye.
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Literally went to buy one than, but I think this is stupid. So hello Truenas
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I used their Plus models for my sole personal use simply because they are not annoyingly slow. Normal and j models were slow as hell. Bye Synology, you were great, but not anymore.
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Thats because people buying SMR drives running them in RAID and hammering the drives until they fail.
Not everyone is educated on buying PMR drives that actually work properly.
Synology don’t want lawsuits from people putting crappy SMR drives into their NAS and using it without understanding the technology differences between the drives and how they would perform relative to the drives use case.
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Why do companies like stabbing themselves?
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Looks like I’m going UGREEN
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Great, then I don’t need to consider Synology anymore
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Great Video. I was planning on upgrading my Synology DS224+’s. With this news (if it’s true), I will look for an alternative. This is a money grab.
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QNAP is smiling happily.
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Haha, i was going to buy expensive synology but now, I’ve will simply go with competition.
Synology is getting greedy. To greedy.
Thank you synology for helping me choose correctly.
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I support Synology doing this, it will help me get out of their vendor lock. Ugreen gets a green light.
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QNAP, Asustor, UGREEN, Terramaster, Ubiqiuti, WD, Jonsbo, TrueNAS, Proxmox and unRAID gives likes this video
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Does Synology produce HDDs ? No ? Then why should I buy some no-name rebranded generic hdds to satisfy a corpo greed
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Meh. Apple has been doing this FOREVER… trying just grabbing an off-the-shelf… ANYTHING, and get you Mac to accept it. People want simplicity in use, and having a closed ecosystem ensures that, especially if they’re ALSO running their own RAID tech on their drives. I get where people might be upset that they’re “taking away” choice here, but I seriously doubt this is going to cause much of a blip in Synology’s sales (again, see Apple). Hate it if you want, but it’s a sound business move that will pay off for them.
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I think I’ll have to jump to another brand for my next upgrade
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Nascompares needs to do more videos on Synology alternatives if that is the case as I am not buying new drives when I upgrade.
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Was considering buying one, but that is definitely a deal killer.
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So Synology is really going down the path of restricting NAS features unless you use their blessed-by-Synology hard drives?
That’s not just vendor lock-in 101, it’s also flirting with anti-competitive behavior, especially in the EU.
Locking out standard SATA drives or limiting functionality unless you use their SKU? That’s not security – that’s control.
This move undermines what NAS systems should be: flexible, user-configurable, and hardware-agnostic.
EU laws around Right to Repair and unfair business practices are getting tighter – and this kind of nonsense is exactly what lawmakers are starting to target.
We get it: cheap drives can be a problem. But punishing advanced users for wanting choice and control over their own hardware? Big nope.
This is how you lose the Homelab crowd – and once they’re gone, they’re not coming back.
What’s your take? Reasonable ecosystem strategy or full-blown anti-consumer move?
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How to ruin a company in two simple steps. Step 1 : embrace the Woke Agenda ; step 2: make all the accessories only work with your approved brand. If this happens RIP Synology
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Watching the situation unfold, I’m honestly glad that QNAP still is the strength competitor to Synology on the global market and now I just hope they’ll make the most of it – and most importantly, that they won’t completely screw it up like Synology has managed to do over the past few years, with some decisions that felt outright against their own users ????
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The Synology business and popularity was built on home users. Home users want the option to use WD Green, shucked external, or refurbished enterprise drives if we want.
Synology is still the popular option – possibly the best turn-key option based on the software. I’ve said it before, but if TruNAS could recreate Synology Hybrid RAID, I’d have no interest in Synology.
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15 years a loyal synology user. Dropped this over priced garbage 2 years ago. Not looking back.
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Nope. Not buying into it at all. HP printers have made me salty to all companies and their public stance
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Yep – I’m done.
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This is very disappointing.
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Wow mediocre hardware and now hardware lock in, this is crazy levels of arrogance. They really do’t want people to buy their NAS’ ? A lot more options rolling out now, companies like UGreen are improving their OS at a good rate.
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Wow that’s terrible. I used to use a synology for a media server but swapped to using my Mac Studio with an external drive and it’s all backed up to Backblaze. But if I had a need for a NAS again, certainly looking at alternatives.
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For those of us who wish to not rely on internet and keep it offline, could you please do a videos about DAS and some recommendations. Thanks
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If the NAS stops working with my WD drives then I am done with this company and it’s products. As simple as that. You lock it down you lose your customer. I have zero brand loyalty when it comes to this. Same applies to all companies Apple, Tesla etc if synology wants to be added to this group of companies it will have consequences
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Every dumb decision a company makes can always be traced back to one singular reason. Money. I’m sure they will try to use fancy words or round about bullshit explanations of how this is “best for the consumer”, but we ALL know this is only about their profit margins. They want the added profit of selling you THEIR drives, which they dont get when you buy Seagate or Western digital from a retailer. This also opens the door for them to add in ‘planned obsolescence’ and/or ‘planned failure’ into their drives to get you to buy more of them. “Hey, i see your 16TB drive is starting to fail, this would be a great time to upgrade to the new 30TB drive. And hey, since you wouldn’t get full advantage out of it by itself, why not by enough to replace ALL your drives? Oh, and for reasons ‘beyond our control’, we’ve had to increase the prices of *our* drives. We know other brands sell 30TB drives for $50-100 less, but *unfortunately* those will not work in your… err i mean *our* system. ;)”
Just wait.. It’ll happen.
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I use Synology with WD Red Plus. I was thinking of buying a second NAS but if this is true then it won’t be a Synology.
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I like Synology for their software, but I don’t like being forced into something. If they do that, I’ll consider buying from a competitor or opensource.
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The market decides everything, and all we can do is not buy it or use it.
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I predict they will back out of this once they realize that people no longer will buy their devices.
I think the approach is fair on the professional models, but not on consumer devices (plus series)
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I really don’t like closed systems. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to buy a Synology in the first place if it meant being locked to them. I know that there is a way to take the disks out and convert them to be used in another system, but I really wouldn’t want to try that. I like DSM. It does way more than I need and I now use more functions than I thought I would use.
My fears were put to the test at the beginning of the year when I had a UPS fault that ended up with the dreaded blue flashing light. Thankfully, with a bit of research, I was able to strip the unit down, remove and replace the CMOS battery, and have it all back to normal. It didn’t end up being a costly Synology only purchase.
However, limiting where the disks come from would be another push into building my own NAS when it comes time to replace the unit.
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With all my love to Syno products, this is “no go” for me for its future devices, since I know how these things always end. No competition – no reason to make things better or even good enough/”hello” to performance tests on Synology SSD(another route is adding price for nothing/either features not all customers actually need).
Earlier or later it always goes to this scenario. Simple as it is.
P.S. is Synology manufacturing its own HDDs btw? I mean from start to end, without relabeling OEM products or adding own chipsets/firmware just to have better control over HDD state and analyse it…
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Synology Lock-In = GGF!
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Good luck to them and thank you for the update
come tuesday, we need to plan our exit from synology setup, such a hassle….
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synology SCAM. I am glad I went QNAP way that is much more user friendly platform.
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This is sad news I have to say. I ha e always recommended Synology with iron wolf drives to all my small business clients for their backups and C2 options, but this will be a step too far imo if those drives are any more expensive than those ironwolfs. I have many Synology xs and plus systems privately as well that I was considering replacing this year. Now that won’t happen
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Oh believe me in less than a week they will be a hack to unlock any drive. ????????????
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Then muh bye bye!
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So synology sucks every time even more
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Bye Bye Synology
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Why you give them free screen time, can you explain
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My Synology NAS is nearing its ten year anniversary and when I’m gonna renew I know which manufacturer not to buy
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Theres no doubht that Synology is not doing this for reliability or performance reasons. Its fully commercial. However, this move together with usage of old hardware is going to reduce the number of home users and change the customer base into small companies or people who is working from home and want to put down such money. Private users will find alternatives. This is quite obvious and Synology has probably foreseen the growing market from UNRAID, ASUSTOR, UGREEN etc. as taking over this segment anyway and dont want to focus/compete on this. It makes seance considering that the only reason for this segment to choose Synology is for the DSM software and the competition is narrowing the gap in this area too! -So Synology will be for small businesses mainly and thats their focus! Every company has the right to chose their direction.
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This is just BS. We all know who actually makes HDDs these days. Synology isn’t one of those companies, it is just putting a sticker on a commodity drive made by someone else. It isn’t a special drive or a better drive or a drive specifically tweaked to their exacting specifications or anything like that. They think their customers are locked in and can’t easily switch away, so they are basically imposing a big price increase on them and daring them to go to UGreen or QNAP, etc. They are just about to find out they aren’t as special as they think they are. All they are really selling is networked storage, after all. We all know that you can even roll your own here if you are sufficiently unhappy with the commercially available options. Like most existing Synology customers, I am willing to pay a SMALL premium for the convenience/security/etc. of the Synology ecosystem, but I will be damned if I am going to be locked into some stupid proprietary drive scheme. This is going to be a huge opportunity for Synology’s competitors, because nobody wants to eat a big price increase on this stuff right now, the timing of all this couldn’t be worse.
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Instead of locked use proprietary aka Nope
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Synology is dead to me…
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PCI (IDE) to M.2 tray adapter? 3D print? Sell?
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Lets say I have full DS423+ of WD drives. If the unit fails I will be fucked , moving drives to newer unit wont be possible ? Good job Synology!!
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(Order UNAS PRO
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Screw synology. I will never buy their underpowered, overpriced garbage ever!
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If these Synology proprietary systems and proprietary drives fall short of at least equalling to if not bettering what’s already out there in price and quality THEN I believe we are seeing the beginning of the end for Synology. Greedy companies that go from a democracy start to a dictatorship or communistic approach always wind up going bust sooner or later. Too much by way of selection/choice out there for them to pull this off. The fact that they are even attempting this shows the internal toxicity that is Symbology. WAIT, just checked and said Synology is a Taiwanese company. So Taiwan wants to be democratic and independent yet their companies actions are that of a communist approach? What absolute hypocrites you are!
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If the turns out be the case then I guess I will have to look at other choices.
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More reasons to jump ship and end this stupidity. Love their OS, but they are making it impossible to stick with them.
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My old DS410j has been dying, so I’d been looking for a new Synology NAS for the past 6 months. I’d been sold on the idea of a new Synology until I started reviewing the landscape. I’m glad I pulled the trigger on a UGreen 4800 plus during National Backup week
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Synology has such a solid ecosystem that it is a real shame that they are offing themselves with stupid hardware decisions and restrictive choices. Hey Synology! Your stupid rebranded drives will never outperform my Exos drives! Your RAM is nothing special!
They could just make the same thing and do fine, but they’re determined to anger every fan.
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Mdadm, docker and linux are all free people
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Welp, Synology HAD been on my list of NAS options I was considering, but not anymore.
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How to tank a company in 2 seconds. If I hear of one person being locked out of thier Nas over this I will get rid of the Synology and move to some other brand. This is a really bad move.
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How to kill your business. Terrible. I will never buy another Synology product. Already looking alternatives.
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Does any know if Ugreen has a good library of mobile apps for Apple and Android devices?
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Is it far fetch to think that the next step for Synology is it make their drives “only compatible with their unit and OS? If that’s the case, they can have all of our data hostage.
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So they basically are saying “Don’t buy our product.” I wouldn’t consider a NAS product that forced me to buy their drives. It’s like a printer manufacturer that won’t let you buy generic ink/toner. F that.
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Synology has fully gone the Apple iPhone route by locking down their software and now the hardware. The problem is that no one tinkers with the inside of their phone but most NAS users are technology savvy and by nature need to tinker and swap drives as needed. The used Synology market is going to be main source for 2024 and older units.
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Based on how Synology has lackluster hardware for the NAS itself I can only assume the disk drives are the same sort of lackluster hardware. I don’t want it their cheap crap. I’ve been a loyal Synology user since 2011, but if this announcement is true I’m finished with Synology.
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So the EU goes after Apple for using a proprietary power cable, but they don’t go after a PC manufacturer for forcing the use of their branded (not MANUFACTURER just BRANDED) higher priced products? Because we may call it a storage device, a NAS is essentially a PC.
Didn’t we already have this court case in Europe and the US a couple of decades ago?
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Good thing I’d already switched to Asustor Flashstor. I doubt I’ll be taking a performance hit…
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€800 for a single 16TB Synology drive…and I can get an Exos 16TB for €250. 3 TIMES THE PRICE. They must think we’re morons.
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We need a NAS War
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*The background is pure greed… many millions of servers use Linux – just like Synology. And it would have been known for a long time if performance, reliability or functions were worse with certain disks.* But… there is no sign or indicators.
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*The background is pure greed…* we are a company with 800 employees and for almost a quarter of a century we have NEVER had problems with disks – *that’s the great thing about Linux, on which Synology is also based.*
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UNAS here I come.
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So, a cut-down open source smartctl’s header file, that’s what we now call “compatibility” and “high standards”? This is a shameless money grab and we should fight it; if we don’t – the next thing we remember will be terramaster or ugreen or qnap branded drives for the respected systems
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*The background is pure greed, HP also has a lock-in strategy with their extremely expensive storage systems. “Other drives don’t work”, HP declared, which was and is a shameless lie:* We have operated HP storage servers in our data centers exclusively with NON-HP disks and have never had any problems. And we saved far more than 50% because other manufacturers also offer a 5-year warranty.
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3rd party certified drives…. Those are not Synology branded drives so every tech channel needs to stop saying it’s Synology only drives to get clicks.
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Im dumping them!
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Well, good bye Synology.
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I wanted to like Synology, I really did. But I wasn’t feeling the vibe and went the QNAP route in 2022, despite the clunkier software. I have yet to regret my decision, especially after announcements like this!
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I can deal with their antiquated hardware and slow network ports but this is where I draw the line.
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Assuming true, and I have little doubt it is, that’s the end of Synology for me. Time to move to UniFi for raw storage, and a NUC-style PC for VMs, instead of bothering with this baloney.
At work, I feed our 6-figure Enterprise RAIDs with Seagate enterprise drives, and there is no malarky about vendor lock-in adding to system reliability.
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Shucking hell!
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I can exclude Synology from my future purchase
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Synology’s new business plan: “Full enshitification!”
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I’ve had 3 different Synology NAS’s over the years. If this is the direction they are going I’ll never buy another one.
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Not only are the new series barely an upgrade, they will also cost more to own. Terrible decision for synology but great for their competition
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Hello Ugreen goodbye Synology
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Only thing Synology has over its competition is easy to use software. How is the Ugreen software in comparison?
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They should change their name to INSANOLOGY!!
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Let’s all boycott greedy companies
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This change is nonsense. For one, it is anti-competitive and Synology will be sued or banned. This is the equivalent if google were to block Bing searches in Android.
Secondly, Synology drives are crap. This will incentivise them to make even worse drives if you have to buy from them. I belive this could be construed as a blatent disregard of right to repair laws.
They dont even know what they have got themselves into.
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Looks like I won’t be recommending Synology to my clients in the foreseeable future. Time to look at QNap and Ugreen.
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Truenas? Oh, sinology. Not interested.
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cory doctorow coined a phrase for this development
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imagine me having 40 free HDDs /from my Chia farm/ ranging from 5TB-16TB and using all Truenas, Xpenology, Synology, Storj etc… I was hoping sometimes in the future to have them all in 8-bay Syno NASes… Now jast basicly fok them. We in our company will stop selling this brand as they have ZERO support in real problems. This company is a joke now. CPU from 6y ago in 2025 models, 2.5GN NIC after maybe 7y later than QNAP, HDD lock-in ? How stupid people must be in this company ?
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That’s it, I’m out. Too bad, many of their apps were pretty good.
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UGreen better ramp up production
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Bye Synology
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No one in their right mind would buy one of those devices.
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Another comment for Synology: may be (just may be) I will be OK with branded hard drives but then please update and stop removing apps and functions from the DSM. So users will be milked by the branded hard drives and the value of DSM will be lower because of lots of poorly made and poorly maintained software. So decrease of value and loss of reputation.
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Ok. Next NAS upgrade will be again self assembled and self installed software. It was nice five years with Synology, but recent Synology moves makes it completely vendor-locked, and then software packges removed and so on. And still 1 gbit ports and no NVMe NAS for home… So, ok, end of an era. Bye-bye then.
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ARC Loader Xpenology rules !!
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Very sad day for $ynology
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everyone around me is either buying QNAP or building their own if they have too much spare time.
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Vote with wallet. I’ll just not buy such locked unit.
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Overpriced slow hardware with no iGPU for transcoding. And now forced proprietary drives? F that. Going UGreen TruNAS route
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I just completed my Synology setup, after 6 years of saving up a main DS220+ and a DS223 as a backup and now this. F**k me! I’m using this shitty hardware untill it dies on me and I’m going to explore Unraid in the meanwhile. HexOS needs to be ready NOW! Tons of home users will be jumping ship, I will too eventually
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HexOS watching like ????
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Can’t wait to have the take of SpaceRex on this ????
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someone at Synology has too much money and does not know what they are doing.
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So glad I bought UGREEN.
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Don’t worry, there’s a whole legion of synology fanboys out there who are going to welcome this new restriction.
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Synology is the new Drobo
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Outdated hardware, overpriced, less fatures, synology only drives… Bye Synodollar!
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it wouldn’t be so bad, but they only rebadge other peoples HDDs… that said, i’m sure the restrictions can worked around easily, as they are now.
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Wanted to swap my 6y Synology for a 2025 model. Looks like it will not be a Synology.
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lol, they think they’re the only game in town or something?
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I like my synology and have had it for years…but I won’t buy another one if I’m drive locked.
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Synology – you’r OUT !
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Synology – you’r OUT !
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jeepers, what an own goal, locked into a brand and no option to shop around for better quality or price.
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As soon as locked HDs were even mentioned as a possibility a few years back buying any Synology NAS’s should have been , not on your nelly.
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Luckily there is competition, we can adapt. I hope their enterprise escapade ends badly for them.
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I currently have a DS1821+ With 8 Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10tb drive and if Synology is no longer supporting 3rd party drive i will never use or buy there products again and sell the one i have and buy something like a Qnap or maybe the new OPNNAS or build my own rack mount system. What they are doing is being greedy.
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In this case,I will buy another brand
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What are the chances? I picked Drobo 15 years ago and they self imploded. Then I head Synology is the best NAS by far so migrated 5 years ago. Now, I’m getting that Drobo feeling again! ???? What the heck Synology? ????????
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All other NAS manufacturers: Its free real estate (marketing)
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Acually I feel intigued moving to TueNas of such.
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I have been looking at getting a NAS, and the Synology 2025 products have been in the mix. If Synology follow through on the hard drive lock in, the choise got quite a bit easier since I don’t need to consider them anymore…
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Can’t wait for them to charge a subscription to use shr, raid5, etc… disk redundancy should be a premium feature. Also make upgrade to new major version a subscription. If you don’t buy subscription from first activation of the nas, then don’t allow to upgrade to a new major version, because these peasants could just buy a new box later on. That will ensure synology has enough funding to pay for supporting legacy(yuck!) hardware.
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Ну це порушення антимонопольного закону в деяких країнах. А також це буде поштовхом для розвитку китайських брендів, а також опен сорс проектів OS для NAS систем. Коли корпорація нагло веде себе щодо користувачів, то вона може спіткати долю Nokia чи blekbery.
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It’s time to get my hat and parrot. ARRR MATEY
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I’m holding out for the Minisforum NAS, and then I can retire my DS1019+.
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Some of these Nas makers are going to go bankrupt or get out of the business, so who knows how this will play out. They will need to raise prices on the NAS itself or do something to deal with added costs (at least in the US).
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Ah well I’ll stay with my DS1821 + Expansion. Not binning 11 x Seagate drives to buy smaller capacity Synology ones …
I hope your Niece is OK?
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Welp it seems my next nas will be DIY with true nas OS,,,,,,
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Oh wow I was about to jump on board the synology platform but I’ll avoid if they are doing this as they are not a drive manufacturer this is just greed, certified compatibles i have no real issue with buy locking out like Apple used to in the 1990s with ‘their’ hard disks for internal storage on macs both scsi and PATA – sorry its just greedy practice
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Those years people like Synology / xpenology like their software
Soon : install ugreen trust me bro OS on synology to extend it lifespan
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Sinology fell off for no good reason
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I was waiting for the 1821+ update to replace my truenas box. Was, if this is true.
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Time for minisforum to double down and make an awesome all flash NAS
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If they manufactured the drives themselves, I might believe their claims, but they are using normal drives with custom firmware and any claims about “their” drives giving better reliability etc is just bollocks. Good thing there is not one brand less to choose from with NASes.
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I was considering getting a NAS for personal use and Synology was on the list of potential candidates. But if that’s the way they are going to do things they are off the list.
Once they lock-in everyone they can it’s only a matter of time before they start charging more and more as they improve less and less. The line must go up!
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I’ve been a loyal Synology user for over 14 years, but any good relationship ends when one of the parties doesn’t know their limits! Goodbye Synology, hello Terramaster F6 424 Max with TrueNAS Scale
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They don’t manufacture drives… They buy them from… Oh look .. Seagate. They pop a label on top and voila, Synology…. Maybe even get them made with their own FW specs.
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LOL well say goodbye to synology… they cant keep up with hardware as it is with their network cards. 1gig nics on a nas now a days is crazy… now you have them controlling your storage no thanks!. They just gave other vendors a massive bonus.
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Coorps are built in greed.
It will come back again and again, forms will change – greed will stay the same.
No need to be surprised.
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Synology is segmenting, BSM for home and ActiveProtect for business are clear… Whether this is a move to sunset DSM or they plan to keep DSM for small business is unclear. @nascompares
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This was a key reason a friend went QNAP instead of 8 bay Synology. Probably the one I own will be the last one. I wouldn’t have as much heartburn if the drives were not way overpriced. If they remove current capability on working systems, seems a legal response would be needed.
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I’ve been looking into options for upgrading my 5-year old Synology NAS. If Synology’s memory upgrade pricing is any indicator, it appears my relationship with them has finally come to an end. The ease of use for their OS can’t outweigh this.
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Synology just shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over again. I almost guarantee within the decade Synology with cease to exist as a home consumer company.
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Bye Synology ….
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It’s like they are saying please don’t buy us. Synology is just getting worse and worse.
I just don’t want to set up my family folders again with someone else and Synology is pushing so hard to do so.
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I was waiting for the new models just to be lazy and not assembling a new computer with unraid to use mixed size disks that I have all around the house. If this confirms I guess I’ll have to go for the unraid router but nice cases for hotswapping disks are expensive and not very easy to work on them.
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How to kill your company, a romantic novel by Synology.
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My DS1821+ will be the last synology I purchase. If I need expanded storage beyond that, it’ll be the Ubiquiti UNAS and I’ll keep using Active Backup for Business until the model is no longer supported. I will not pay twice the price for a rebadged drive with special firmware.
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truenas here we come
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Bye bye Synology, hello Unifi NAS + MiniPC
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QNAP is the new replacement for Synology. End of story…
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It seems to be a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Is Synology not capable of making their hardware and software work equally as well with the majority of HDD’s ?
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I guess that Synology don’t see the home/enthusiast market as a market they are interested in anymore. It is annoying but ok, will be a few more years before i change again so I have to look at available options at that time
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synology 15 years behind others, poor hardware charges for adding your own! cameras, and this bullshit what a joke im glad I ditched them years ago, build your own is the way to go
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Unless they make the MOST RELIABLE storage in the world, there is ZERO justification for this. Thankfully not a Synology user and never will now!
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What I find disgusting in the ‘Enterprise 3rd party’ is that Synology is leaning more, if not pushing their HA drives over the Seagate EXOS and IronWolf. Now I used to build larger storage arrays and the EXOS series was a few years old at the time, but these were the BEST DRIVES for a NAS with their MTBF almost double that of the IronWolf Series and much better than the HA series pushed by Synology. I just don’t get it, I don’t understand. I am willing to pay for a BETTER DRIVE because I need my data to be secure and available, which is why I have EXOS drives in my DS920+. But going forward, I need better bandwidth and I am seriously excited about the new DS925+ with 5 bays and 2.5gig and optional 10gig ports and the ability to have a HotSpare (finally in a 5bay)… but if I have to play THIS GAME of their Preferred Drive, I would rather build my own system and go with another NAS OS for my own reliability, security and flexibility. The only reason I went for the DS920+ was due to the amazing support and reliability for what I would refer to as a Pro-Sumer (upper level consumer) device that ticked all my boxes… barely. I have been very happy with my NAS for the past several years, except for the Network bottleneck, but that is being really picky as I work with very large image files. But Come ON Synology, you will find PROSUMERS LEAVING you if you Forces us to use only HA approved drives at your own self imposed tariff (10% higher) vs a quality NAS Enterprise drive of the EXOS series.
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Too bad, i was ready to finally update. But no thanks not with lock in! Welcome Ugreen.
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Goodbye Synology, R.I.P.
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See you later Synology! It was good for a while….
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One day I’ll upgrade my DS920+ and if they go this route I certainly won’t be buying Synology again.
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Well, it’s been a hoot, cya later Synology. (If true)
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Synology is definitely working towards a subscription model. And this is the first step.
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Most users knew this was coming. It’s a money grab and nothing else. Ugreen, Asustor, and others will benefit from this stupid move. They will loose a lot of people and businesses because of their stupidity. Not only NAS sales but C2 subscribers will fly away. Robocopy has always been my best friend. Corporate greed.
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I wont be buying replacement Synology units for my DS214+, DS1019+, and DS1520+. And I wont recommend them anymore either. Bye Synology, it was fun while it lasted. Anyone have recommended brands I could migrate to?
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Who has 2 thumbs and is never buying another Syology? This guy ????????
Why would they even sell them without drives? Someone mentioned the possibility of forcing a drive refresh every few years. Maybe Synology could get into harddrives as a service with a monthly subscription.
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This only makes me happier with my LincStation N2 decision.
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Bye synology. So long. I’ll roll my own truenas here I come.
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Yeah if I need to replace my ds920+ I’m looking elsewhere as not also paying to replace 4x 8tb hdds also
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Are they trying to just get bought-out by apple?
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the only way to profit out of this is to stop using Synology – Let the customers decide the future of Synology.
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RIP Synology. I used is 2015-2025 but no more.
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I hope this decision will be the end of Synology. They had a good run, but your OS can’t overshadow the greed. I’ve tried Synology, TerraMaster, and settled on Asustor. Aside from a Seagate NAS HDD crapping out after a year, I’ve been very happy with my choice. I’m mixing Seagate Exos Mach2 and WD Purple Pro in my NAS.
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Why would anyone buy locked-in device?
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Perfect timing. I was running a couple of Syno boxes, with 2tb of C2 storage for backup. Was midway playing with a F8 SSD Plus Terra master and MSP360, and Backblaze b2…. Time to dump these clowns.
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Synology is history. They are kicking themselves out of the market. My next system will definitely not come from Synology.
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I never buy WD drives; too many fails in the past.
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Good timing as I just bought a non Synology NAS to replace my crappy 920+.
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Heres a question.
If Synology is doing this, and at this point ‘saying’ that the change will not affect older plus systems … that means that they could change their mind and make it so if we have a drive failure in our older system, we may not be able to replace the drive outside of the Synology brand drives.
Obviously this would be a new limitation baked into a DSM update. The question is, should we turn off all updates to our older systems?
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Eh? This seems anti-competitive, work with HDD vendors to standardise (I thought they were mostly using established industry standards ala ACS-5) if you want support certain features/support then make good hard drives to convince customers to use them.
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And.. I’m getting out of the Synology business. Time to build my own NAS. I’ve been watching your other videos, and I am ready to make the jump. Now I just need to decide on an OS (TrueNAS core vs others).
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I switched to Truenas two years ago, looks like my timing was good. The cost of their drives is nearly double enterprise drives from elsewhere.
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NOPE-ology.
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This decision saves me money as I was going to buy 925+ to replace my ancient DS415play. But I refuse to by a complely new set if drives to go with. Poor DS415 will be worked until it dies, it is only a backup for me.
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I’ve felt for quite a while that Synology wants together ride of the non-enterprise user. It’s too bad. I’ve had several units over the years and I’ve bought a couple for my son’s families. I don’t know where this ends up, but if they go this way, I’ll go elsewhere where.
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Went UGREEN and could not be happier
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These tech companies get too big and forget their consumer. If true Synology saw Nintendo’s Switch 2 announcement of how to piss off own consumer and said: -hold my beer.
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Outdated hardware, overpriced, less fatures, synology only drives. Insanity has a new name.
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I’ve used unraid for well over a decade. Last year I bought a Synology to compliment my unraid, mainly to store all my important files and photos. I also bought a second Synology to use as an offsite backup and then bought a third as an archive for a duplicate copy of absolutely everything I own. Some of the changes that Synology has made since my purchase has made me really concerned and if this announcement is true then I’ll be having to investigate how I separate myself from Synology photos before I get too imbedded into the ecosystem. I’m out.
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Absolute bullshit.
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#FSynology. I left them after 1215 series for their ba
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WD Red Pro’s are mandatory for bulk server storage in my cases. I have run them in a semi for 3+ years, with them making active read/writes while driving on the worst roads America has. Not one of them have ever failed or corrupted any data. Not using anything else, unless I go buying enterprise class hardware. (Can’t really afford bigger enterprise drives, or same size flash drives right now.
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First they removed the codecs, then the disk support, then they will remove Synology Photos, they will say that few people use it, and then they will remove everything in general. and they will say just store the data there.
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Bye Bye Synology my 1019+ ist the Last one for me. unRaid is also Great
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They don’t even care about home user, get a ugreen
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Well, that’s disappointing.
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Sorry, Synology, will no longer be buying your products.
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Well, I was already most likely going to go for a different brand for myself, but my parrents don’t have a lot of needs for their NAS so I was thinking getting an other Synology. This changes that completely. Because while the hardware doesn’t bother me that much, this type of bs is completely unacceptable. They can keep their overpriced drives and underpowered boxes.
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Ugh Familiar scenario. This is the first step of the end. Stupid decision. Cheers
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Syno… who?
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I’m waiting for the DS1825+ but this may make me boycut Synology.
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I have gotten the 1821+ and other 8 bay Synology Units from past purchases, and I have the DVA3221 in my home as well. I do not believe Synology would mandate this, as it would be a deal breaker for me, and if i feel that way, then i have to assume others feel the same way as me. I would never buy another synology device for my personal use nor for my clients. And once synology forced me to get use to a different architecture, I would remain with the new company for decades until they forced me me off their system. So i just find it hard to believe Synology would just throw it’s users to another company, for no real reason. But if that is the hill synology wishes to die on, then so be it. I personally will never own another Synology again, as i am replacing the current hardware with non synology hardware as it fazes out. I just absolutely hate being tied to to any one company when it comes to hardware that can/does fail. and knowing I could not go to any store and replace a failed drive in an emergency is a deal breaker if that is taken away from me.
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Migration of hard drives from older Synology NAS models to the new plus models will continue to be possible without restrictions. If that weren’t the case it would have been a deal-breaker.
Third party drives that are certified by Synology will continue to be fully supported as well. Of course this is a reduced set compared to allowing any third-party drive, but I’m sure it saves them on certification as well as support costs.
The restrictions on certain functionality “in the future” including pool creation and volume wide deduplication is definitely a bummer.
That said, I don’t use cheap hard drives for mission critical data. I’ve seen comments on here that people are buying refurbished and renewed drives to put into their NAS. If that works for you, great, but if you’re going to risk your data on a refurbished drive then you don’t need the ironclad reliability and performance of Synology in the first place.
Sure, maybe you’re running SHR2 and figure that you have two drive fault tolerance and maybe you can take the performance hit during a multi-day rebuild that will occur more often due to using those drives, but that’s not my profile or the profile of most of my clients.
As long as Synology support some additional certified third-party drives so I can mix and match across a few vendors and not have all my drives come from the same production lot then I’m okay.
Will this push me to recommending other NAS models for some of my lower end clients? Most definitely! But for the vast majority of my business clients I will still recommend Synology.
I’ll be upgrading my own DS1512+ to a DS1525+. I will say this will be my last Synology NAS, but that’s because I expect I’ll probably be in my 70s by the time it dies. It may even outlast me. ????
I fully respect people’s opinions on here and completely agree that some of the decisions Synology has made will lose them customers. It would have been nice if they could have found a middle ground. In the end, I suspect their home user prosumer market is fairly small compared to their enterprise market, but proportionally cost them more in support costs, so it’s a business decision.
Happy for constructive comments but flames > /dev/null
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Another company ruined by some suit min maxing on an excel sheet instead of just delievering on what their customers want.
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I love my 1520+ and wanted to get another Synology. If this turns out true though, I will not purchase their brand anymore. I don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket.
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Bluntly, They wouldn’t have been considered and I would have gone with another companies products. This is likely the end of consumer sales and a focus on business sales. Who will be more likely to pay more for the extra security/reliability.
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looks like i will benefit from ugreen or build it myself systems … thank you for the updated information.
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Just wait until they announce that you will need to swap out your drives every 2 years to maintain data reliability. I’m sure someone at Synology is already thinking this.
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I need to see the “third-party hard drives certified according to Synology’s specifications” list before I can react to this news at all. I have a suspicion that the new list is going to be the same Toshiba, WD and Seagate drives that are already on the “Synology Products Compatibility List” today.
I would guess that this “lock” is Synology’s way of handling the entire CMR vs. SMR debacle of the last few years.
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Thank you for the very useful information. I am considering to migrate from custom server with Truenas to Synology because of Electricity Cost. Look like I should wait and see about this harddisk vendor lock stuff.
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looks like i will either be buying an older model synology or building a truenas once my 1817+ dies
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Tariff related, what a crock of shit and scapegoat.
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Hmm. Just in time. I was looking to upgrade my Synology NAS which is getting a little old. I went ahead and bought a UGREEN NAS instead. I don’t have time for Synology’s bull. Ugreen has better hardware, the software is not in a great place but Ugreen lets you install TrueNAS if you really need something more mature and I’ve heard you can even get DSM running on it. The only thing I need from Ugreen in-terms of software is a built in way to back up to Backblaze B2. But looking around it was recommended I use Duplicati in a Docker.
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I bought the 923+ during Cyber Monday last year. I felt like my 220+ was taking on too much. And the 2 drive thing was annoying me. I was thinking I should wait until this year but when the tariff talks started I decided to get it , especially since it was on sale. So glad I didn’t follow my secondary instinct to wait. After this , however, it’ll be a “build your own” scenario for me. Maybe ugreen. But they’ll probably get the Synology mentality after while and I’ll have to wait for another new-comer to try and take them out.
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Locked = narrowing Hardware Compatibility List (HCL).
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When we were considering a big upgrade to our main servers last year we went down the super micro/truenas route vs our initial thoughts of getting one of their larger racks because of this issue.
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Right now on the US site. You can’t buy a Synology Enterprise series Hard Drive of any size. The Plus series is sold out over 12TB. The Enterprise drive is over $700 on amazon. How can Synology think going proprietary on Drives is a good idea. They can’t supply their customers enough drives. Fascinating move. I think they will have to walk this decision back in the next month or so.
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Awful
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I’m conflicted with Synology, for storage alone it’s ok.. Synology Drive is good (but not great), Active Backup is simply awesome and couldnt believe how amazing it really is till my laptop needed a bare metal rebuild.. saved me and was so much easier than I thought it would be.. Synology Photos could be amazing if they allowed the look and feel to be rebranded.. I would use it as my main portfolio, but I dont as it doesnt and seems to be another synology app that I simply wont use… I dont mind paying a premium for the unit, but I object to being forced to pay a premium on everything inside it.. I was thinking of adding a second Synology as a backup but primarily due to both the drive lock in and for some units the limited 3rd party compatibiility there are better options that I can simply use as a backup storage unit that doesnt need all the other bells and whistles. It feels like a company doing their own thing and not listening to their customers… a dangerous place to be.
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I hope that’s not the case. I’m a massive WD fan and only trust them. I was waiting for the 25 series and if it’s the case I’m just going to wait for ubiquiti to release a better nas
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Rubbing an 1821+ with 64gb Kingston ecc ram, 6 hgst hdds, 2 Kingston server 2.5″ SSDs, 2 Kingston m2 SSDs as read cache.
Looks like it is the last Synology I will ever own. *uск you very much, Synology, I’ll sooner diy a Nas than buy your e-waste again.
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As a user with a full DS223+ who just bought a couple seagate 28tb exos enterprise drives who is looking to update the NAS and making the 223 an offsite backup this news is forcing me to the UNAS pro more and more every day…
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R.I.P. Synology !
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Very bad. Will stop using Synology.
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Yep, they can get fucked. No point in censoring myself.
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They can get fucked. I’ll just buy a chinese nvme raid enclosures and stick them in one of the new cheap mini PCs.
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When a respected company screws itself in the ass. I won’t be buying synology anymore… well last one was 5 years ago.
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I was waiting for ds1825+, guess I’ll settle for another brand now bye synology
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I have a DS918+, but I don’t use any of the Synology apps besides the backup one (just haven’t been arsed to switch that over to Duplicati) and I run everything with Docker Compose, and had to edit the damn .mustache files to change the port on their shitty built-in nginx to open ports 80 and 443. So I’d already decided not to buy Synology again, but this definitely cements it.
I’ve now got a Minisforum MS-01 running Proxmox, and I am in the process of setting up a Docker VM on there and redoing all my Docker infrastructure on that simply due to how utterly ancient the Docker version on DSM is, and I ultimately plan to put in a HL15 when I get room for a rack, then the DS918+ will be repurposed to hold local backups.
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2 months ago I had to choose between Synology and QNAP and I’ve choosed QNAP.
Now when all the leaks have pointing that Synology will be the “closed” system, I’m kinda
happy that I have QNAP.
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Anything will be better than Synology. The only reason to still use it would be Surveillance Station. Alternatives?
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Yep looking at upgrading my DS220+ but probably won’t be going to Synology now. Will have to see how this plays out though.,
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They seem to be devalueing themselves probably for a market buyout…. This is just business suicide
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Synology continues to stab itself in the gut to the home prouser. It’s time to move on their outdated hardware and Apple-like mentality of trying to enforce their walled garden.
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Here I was excited to get a 25+ model. I was a bit on the fence about going to Ugreen, but looks like Synology made the choice for me.
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If they fuking do this , I’m DONE with synology!!! Period
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Loved my Synology DS918+ but this just confirms I’ll not be considering Synology moving forward. QNAP is looking likely where I’ll be going. Asustor support on my FS6706T network dropping has been pathetic (as with many others having this problem). Tech companies are really failing to provide high value and reliability these days.
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Oooh! we need some clarification on this. I’ve a DS1817+ with a dead motherboard. I’ve been waiting for the DS1821+ to be replaced before buying a new NAS with the expectation that I can get my 8 * 8Tb drives into a new unit and be up and running again. It sound like this might not work and I’ll need to get a DS1821+ before they become unavailable?!
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Bye Synology
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if they block the regular hdds, we go qnap lol
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I wont be buying another one if thats the case. I fail to see how that is progress.
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Was thinking of buying a new Synology, just lost my interest and gained a newfound hate.
Synology keeps pushing old CPU’s, low specs machines, 2 or 4 GB of RAM in 2025 and now this. Won’t be looking at them again.
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Borderline illegally Monopoly
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I wont be buying synology in future, i had 2 boxes 1 was DSM 7 and the other DSM 6… I moved 3 old drives from DSM 7 box to 6 and it had tagged them, even though wiped and formatted ! I had to do some faff and delete some files on the DSM 6 machine to re-use them!
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Hahahahaha. Synology is dead as I’ve been saying all along. Let’s all move on and stop covering this company.
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This is something you’d expect from Broadcom. They need a root and branch change of management and product managers. What is wrong with these people. Old chips, poor hardware specs. They’re going the way of Blackberry.
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AFTER sticking with severely underpowered obsolete hardware and giving dismal incremental updates that is boring as plain water for decades, removing functionalities like hardware transcoding, HEVC support, discontinuing apps that is one of the reasons they are charging a premium, now doubling down on locking customers to buy overpriced OEM labelled drive in their non-enterprise line up? They may as well just ditch the consumer/ prosumer segment to reduce costs lol.
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QNAP rules
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Well if I was any of the other NAS manufacturers this would be the best news possible. What other manufacture will willingly give up market share for the fat cost of nothing.
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Isn’t this a way to get most users to say: this is my last Synology drive?
If my IronWolf NAS drives are not going to work, then I’ll just go elsewhere…
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Hope your niece is well
Love your work
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for me, one major inconvenience is uncertainty when migrating existing pool from older Synology (with third-party HDDs) onto new Synology NAS,
looks like I will really have to start exploring Proxmox virtualized xpenology in case any of my old NASes dies? :/
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This is how companies die – failure to innovate (or at least keep up with competition) and also piss off your loyal customers. Welp, nice knowing you Synology, your software was great but your hardware was underpowered and overpriced. Not gonna miss ya.
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Further proof that Synology is completely out of touch with its target market.
I’d been holding out for an upgrade and was eyeing the 1825+, but with this news I’m absolutely taking my business elsewhere. With 45Drives, Minisforum, Ugreen, and numerous others now entering the market, I will gladly give up the convenience of Drive and Synology’s admittedly solid backup solutions.
I’m guessing there’ll be numerous others who are in my shoes; I’m also guessing Synology won’t care, because they’re fully committed to their enterprise business, which means taking a hit on unit sales to sell more drives to normal consumers isn’t going to matter too much. They are shifting margin while reducing support resources.
So while I get the decision from a business perspective, I will no longer support this company with my wallet.
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Enshittiification at its best! Way to go, Synology!
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There are too many options out there now, they’re not the only game in town. Their market will shrink by a large amount.
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The best way to go bye bye…..???? Synology…why?
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I’m not paying their hard drive tax. As it is I buy used and renew drives to save a ton of money since I’m buying 26tb drives now. I currently have six Synology units in use. Screw this noise.
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Yup, I’ve been a Synology customer for about 20 years. If they pursue this, I’ll be looking elsewhere next time.
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Nobody should ever give money to a company that does shit like this.
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Well, at least now we’re free to move on. I was waiting so long to upgrade my 918+, but now it’s crystal clear it won’t be a Synology.
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I was a huge Synology fanboy. Time now to move on. There are too many decent alternatives built on better hardware with more-than-adequate software to stick with a brand where my cost for storage is double what I can find on the wider market. Not time to predict the death of the brand, but this will continue to hack away at sales and, if their enterprise hardware push doesn’t pan out over the next few years, Synology’s revenues are going to shrink. Best to the gulls, Robbie.
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Bye Synology, won’t see me again!!!
They will kill the home users with this decision.
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Synology branded drives are overpriced and unavailable a lot of the time…
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What a shitshow
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Why was this not posted April 1st, gotta be a joke no way
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QNAP FTW
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Furthermore, migrating hard drives from existing Synology NAS to a new Plus model will continue to be possible without restrictions. <- If thats true, at least the initial HDD would have no restrictions...
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Bold strategy, let’s see how it works out for ’em. It will likely turn out to be a great idea, taking something as open source and matured as hard drives, and forcing it into your own overpriced ecosystem. Great. Idea.
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I reckon Qnap have infiltrated an agent on to the Synology board and are killing them from the inside! I really can’t think of any other explanation for their quite baffling decisions over the last 18 months or so! ????
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I was stil in the researc phase before jumping into the NAS market. This just won UGREEN the bid! I want to be able to use whatever HDD I want.
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Qnap reaction about: ????????????????????????????????
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If they fully lock people into Synology drives they should do what video game console companies have done in the past and reflect that in the price.
Personally, I have the drives already so I’ll buy elsewhere if that’s the case.
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I was planning on moving away from Synology for home use as the hardware is under powered for some use cases I’d like. I will keep my 918+ till it dies for active backup and surveillance station when I upgrade to something else.
This would be a very poor move on their part. Lower powered hardware coupled with locked in drives, this will shoot themselves in the foot.
I do love DSM, but this would be enough for me to go full truenas.
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Game over Synology. Hellooo ugreen!
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They take advantage of it because there is no competition, no alternative, they are monopolists… ????????
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Time to look at the competition now. I’m guessing ugreen but more research is needed. Having “the best software” isn’t going to prevent people leaving this time round.
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It’s a peculiar way to go forward, especially given that they’re not making any big changes to the platform itself (at least from what I can tell in the spec sheet).
For the security claim, the only feature that would be interesting is if they were introducing some kind of ransomware protection at the drive level, requiring specialised firmware on the drives. That would set Synology apart from the competition in this market segment.
It would be interesting to know who will be manufacturing the drives for Synology.
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I already have a ugreen dxp4800 plus it’s great and is much better spec and cheaper than my 923+, I was considering upgrading my 923+ to a 25 series because 2 cores just isn’t enough but if Synology do this then I will be buying another ugreen nas
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Decision is made no more Synology products.
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Time for someone to write a guide on how to move/mount a 8x20TB raid6 array (synology uses mdraid), on a Linux computer or a Ugreen nas. To CONTINUE using the volume there instead. It’s not like ppl going to buy 8 new drives to copy any data. ????
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Brace yourselves for “Best Synology alternatives” videos from all related channels.
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Seagate Ironwolf 20TB are currently around ￡390. The Synology enterprise 20TB is ￡820. No Synology upgrade for me.
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And yet another company suffering from enshittyfication..
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What a great way to go out of business! I approve!
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If this is the case truenas on old pc hardware will be way I go
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I’d originally been waiting for the 925+ but picked up a 923+ last month, arriving the day before the ‘original’ leak, which was very annoying! I’d wanted the 2.5gbe but aside from that the 923 was fine for my purposes and it did cross my mind there may be further hardware lock ins announced with the new systems.
So glad I stuck with the 923+…. And I did upgrade the network card as I wondered if they would become scarce as they weren’t being used in the new model.
This new system should last as long as I’ll need it for work. After I retire I may be more open to the DIY market for tinkering but in reality the competitor software in the next 5+ years ought to at least have caught up with DSM.
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Apple kind of mentality. Make everything incompatible with other brands, put limitations on purpose and make sure is not user upgradeable.
I think Apple users going to love the new Synology ???? they are used to this kind of abuse ????
#ChillGuysJustKidding kind of ????
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At this point I think everyone should stop using Synology devices and making videos about them. The only discussion regarding Sunology is to never use them , if this info is true
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Yeah well fuck em then.
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Ugreen / Terramaster + Unraid is the perfect combo, Forget Synology
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I have never seen anyone strangling himself and still be happy like Synology does, @NASCompress is putting it mildly when he says “”little bit more expensive”…. I just check the pricing for the 20 TB drives in my country and its whopping OVER TWO TIMES more expensive than Ultrastar 20TB
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Wanted to purchase a new 8 Bay Synology NAS to add to my current 8 bay NAS (Also Synology) , However seeing their stats for the upcoming hardware and the rumours of what you are saying, I have just bought the the UGREEN DXP8800 Plus 8-Bay Desktop NAS, added NVMEs and extra memory – very happy with my choice.
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Synology is long dead to me, UGreen is the new king if you want easy out of the box experience, or just build your own NAS.
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I guess Ugreen is our best option??
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If UGREEN brings out a future 5 bay expansion unit for their NAS units, I’d switch over when it’s time to upgrade my old DS1019+
Better hardware already, Software I’m not too bothered about I don’t really need all the features of DSM, Only use it for backups, transferring files from one pc to another on local home network and then also would use it for Plex to stream my media onto tv.
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I have used Synology NASs for years, ever since I got deeply sick of Windows 2000 Server. I will no longer buy them. Sorry dudes.
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You are naïve or pretend to be, is ALL about profit, and this obvious will only going to hurt them on the long run. In fact I think theirs best days as company already passed.
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The way this has floated into view smacks strongly of Synology trying to quantify the level of backlash before jumping in with both feet. I can’t think of a direction to go that would call into question using Synology professionally more than this one would.
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Well, in Brazil Synology drives are non existant. If you import one, there is a huge price difference.
So, they are killing an entire market here.
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If they do, they’re done.
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Just saw the posted update. What’s the betting Synology will roll out this policy to non-plus models in time, citing all the same blurb reasons they have just done.
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Definitely kills the whole value proposition of using my own drives. Guess I’m going to be shopping elsewhere now.
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Just say it!! It’s about profits!!
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Synology and Canon can go kick rocks!
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I guess xpenology will have to be an option
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The moment Synology announced their own drives, the writing was on the wall. They touted the benefits of upgrading HDD firmware on the fly (something very few people ever do with HDD’s in my experience). There had to be another key reason to introduce their own range of drives, and here it is.
Of course, this isn’t a surprise to me. I purchased a DS223 about a year back, my second NAS from Synology, and threw in a pair of Crucial MX500’s. Skipped the usual nag warning about not being recommended drives, and happily installed DSM. however, an inexplicable instability began to show itself, only on a restart, where one or the other drives failed to be recognised. This often resulted in a total re-creation of the volume/pool and a reload of data. Months would go by without an issue, then a reboot was required and the same would occur again.
Finally, in frustration I purchased a Synology HAT3300 HDD after checking to see that the drive compatibility list for this newer NAS only now showed Synology HDD/SSD’s as being compatible.
Removed the MX500’s, installed the HAT3300 and all has been flawless since, multiple reboots and all.
The moral of this story is that it’s clear to me that Synology have deliberately ensured incompatibility by not playing nice with non Synology drives. I do not believe it’s the fact I was using SSD’s. Of course,I could be wrong here, which begs the question, why was there issues with SSD’s.
Anyway, the course Synology has taken was inevitable and, for me at least, will ensure I look elsewhere for my next NAS. It feels as if Synology has lost touch with the mainstream consumer, gotten too big for their boots and done so in a market that now sees serious challenges coming at them.
Good luck with this attitude Synology, we warned you.
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Glad that I bought the 923+ last year. But this will be my last Synology hardware.
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this is rag pull for people heavily invested in synology. I feel for you guys
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If TRUE: they ended home & small office system users going forward!
The plus for users is Synology assumes full responsibility for any & all failures!
There will be No One Else to Blame.
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UPDATE #2 – There is now an official Synology detail on this:
” *Synology is increasingly relying on its own ecosystem for upcoming Plus models – Following the success of the High-Performance series, the company is now increasingly relying on Synology’s own storage media for the Plus series models, which will be released starting in 2025. Users will thus benefit from higher performance, increased reliability, and more efficient support. “With our proprietary hard drive solution, we have already seen significant benefits for our customers in a variety of deployment scenarios,” said Chad Chiang, Managing Director of Synology GmbH and Synology UK. “By expanding our integrated ecosystem to the Plus series, we aim to provide all users—from home users to small businesses—with the highest levels of security and performance, while also offering significantly more efficient support.” For users, this means that starting with the Plus series models released in 2025, only Synology’s own hard drives and third-party hard drives certified according to Synology’s specifications will be compatible and offer the full range of functions and support.
There will be no changes for Plus models released up to and including 2024 (excluding the XS Plus series and rack models). Furthermore, migrating hard drives from existing Synology NAS to a new Plus model will continue to be possible without restrictions. The use of compatible and unlisted hard drives will be subject to certain restrictions in the future, such as pool creation and support for issues and failures caused by the use of incompatible storage media. Volume-wide deduplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic hard drive firmware updates will only be available for Synology hard drives in the future. Tight integration of Synology NAS systems and hard drives reduces compatibility issues and increases system reliability and performance. At the same time, firmware updates and security patches can be deployed more efficiently, ensuring a high level of data security and more efficient support for Synology customers.* ” – Germany, Düsseldorf – April 16, 2025
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I just put a new 8tb Ironwolf into a 420+ and even though the drive database is up to date, its telling me that the drive is not supported. If suggestion for the 25 series is true, they will lose countless sales, and they are trying their best to persuade home users to never buy any more Synology devices, was looking for a couple of 925+/1525+ but no chance now . . .
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Bye Synology
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Must be some clever programmer who could code to bypass these locked drives, not bothered myself as I will not be buying a synology unit now ,will just carry on using what I have for the last 5 years
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Synology is gonna dissapear like Drobo eventually. They are making the same mistake as VMware who are now reverting back the free offering after most people moved to other solutions like Proxmox.
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Just come out and say “Do not buy this NAS” if it turns out to be true. Good luck at the hospital.
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How to speed run your company’s failure…
QNAP would like to thank you
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This would be the end of Synology and will raise the popularity of other brands.
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Shame. My 1520+ has been great but when I do upgrade, Synology will be off the table. More power to them, but that’s the end of the pro-sumer/home user market for them.
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Wow. I wasn’t too bothered about things a lot of other people complain about with Synology, and was looking forward to getting a DS1825, but if this is true it’s the final straw for me.
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No more Synology for me.
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If they fully block using uncertified drives, its like shooting themselves in the foot. Ugreen and others are trying to penetrate the market the only buying point (for me at least) is the maturity of DSM. They can always just turn down any support questions or request for devices using non-certified drives but completely not allowing it is just bollocks.
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time for “how to desynolify your nas” …? If this isn’t a sign to vote with your wallet, than I don’t know what is. First they remove features, now they force you to exclusively their hardware, what’s next?
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В мене he 4kn hitachi 4x10Tb. Працюють добре. Брав вживані 4 роки в дата-центрі Амазону відпрацювали бо бачив фото сервера з якого вони. Такі Амазон використовує
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Lol
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I have a DS918+, I see nothing here that entices me into upgrading.
This really needed to be a N150 based system with options for the N350. AMD make excellent processors and I have a Ryzen in my rig but those Intel options are better for this use case.
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How will this work as a Plex server?
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USA Retail doesnt display prices including Taxes because every state has a different tax amount, so retailers calculate this based on the shipping address during checkout.
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UGreen DXP 4800 plus. Cheaper and so much better than this in every way
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It’s hilarious that the 925 is aimed at people like me who have held onto their superior 918+. Especially when I finally woke up and realised how garbage Synology has become with their hardware and also abandoning their software. So now both Synology hardware and software are widely known to be trash, I’ve done what everyone else has done and moved onto either the superior Ugreen or DiY Unraid. Synology is officially dead.
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The reason they don’t list it with tax in the US is because every city and town will have different taxes.
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Welp I’ll be sticking with my ds720+ at least it have a dedicated graphic card and transcode my 4k movies on the fly
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Can’t be bothered to be honest. The best NAS are the one you build from scratch, using Debian and configuring each and every service. That gives you all the control, the performance and the quality you need from a NAS
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IMO the Synology software is overrated as well. I bought a DS2012j in 2013 and their QuickConnect apps never worked (2,5 out of 5 in the appstore). It was painfully slow even on purchase and then I couldn’t use QuickConnect because of a bug they’ve never fixed. Now you can at least find a workaround in the forum, so finally I got a QC-number instead of using DynDNS, but still no connection via app and it seems, the QC-method is slowing down the speed even more into an unusable state. But even without and directly connected to my Mac, it’s so slow, that the net-drive always disappears when there is traffic and the HDD never sleeps when this thing isn’t completely shut down.
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Still happily using my 918+, jacked with max ram and 2x nvme cache drives.
Besides stuck with 1GbE network connection … which is mostly fine as this is just a home file server,
dont run plex, dont do video edit on it or anything draining. Everything we do runs instantly.
The question is if 2.5 GbE is enough to warrant an upgrade. In my case … no … not enough.
Sure, maybe some slightly quicker ops with the quicker CPU and increased ram capacity and speed … but its not all that large.
This is just not exciting.
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Bummer. I guess I’ll need to find software replacements for Synology Drive and Active Backup that I can run on a minisforum box. My 1019+ still works, but while I can run a 5GbE adapter over USB, it’s horribly handicapped by the Celeron CPU.
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DSM will only go so far …at this point I’d say even with its limitations Unifi NAs is a better buy …. the Chinese will dominate …. Ugreen etc …. Again I lament Asustors ridiculous pricing on the Lockerstor Gen 3 …if they had of released that at the Gen 2 prices they would dominate …. They have no market share and at this point they need to buy it. Qnap are weird and do nothing interesting …it is really only Ugreen that is a forward growing competitor ….
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My 920+ is still going strong!
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Switch to UGREEN or QNAP – way more bang for your buck!
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If only you could actually buy one of these at this point :/
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The Bunny DS918+ is getting a bit long in the tooth now. I just can’t be bothered to replace it since the prices skyrocketed.
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How they cannot see the loss of sales to competitors is beyond me
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Greed for company over value for users. That always turns out well.
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I’ll be replacing my DS918+ with a UGREEN DXP4800 Plus (or DXP6800 Pro) device running unRAID. My DS918+ acts as my Plex server so I need the H/W transcode support. My mate said he’ll be placing his DS820+ with a comparable UGREEN NAS as well. I feel Synology will lose alot of upgraders to UGREEN by not using a CPU with integrated graphics support.
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They don’t list the tax for the US because it changes depending on what state you live in.
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the end,by synology=old nas
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Meh, Synology hardware is hardly ever exciting. They’re still demanding premium prices for 10yr old Silicon.
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Can we get a comparison of Terra master 424 Pro vs DS925+?
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When new AI ones?
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This is Synology’s Intel/Nokia moment when they lost market dominance.
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Can’t believe how many people expecting 10Gbps from these units. It’s made for four spinning HDD’s! It’s made for your home! This is a cheap unit.
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It seems synology is always able to be shitter towards consumers
I’m finished with them
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I need some help on choosing a NAS. Im stuck between Ugreen & Synology for home use for all my media, pictures, etc. After extensive research, im hearing that synology is no longer the best choice due to lack of software support. Who can guide me? Ugreen seems to be a great option but lately, ive been seeing a whole bunch on Ugreen on YouTube but they’re all sponsored. Any suggestions?
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There is no need for leaks. They have nothing to hide anymore. Noone is looking for their old “new” units.
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I bought a 723+ a few years ago, and the way synology is going it might be the first and last one I buy. They’re just so many other options with better hardware.
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?, that roadmap cannot be right, no iGPU and the older J series, do they want to get rocked by UGreen, Minisforum etc? ????
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2025 with not 10g? wtf its whit them ?
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This company keeps treating its customers like idiots. I wouldn’t be surprised if they continue to use these CPUs to support 2-bay models after 2 years
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just bought Ugreen dxp6800pro for replacing my ds415+.
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Where was the CPU confirmed? I didnt see that information on Amazon.
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Hi guys, can I buy an UGREEN NAS and install Xpenology on it? I don’t want outdated hardware.
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I was thinking about upgrading to this but no mini PCI-E slot and no ability to add 10 Gbe makes it a hard sell
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Any NAS without a CPU iGPU should never be considered for general home users. I don’t understand why Synology switched over to AMD without iGPUs to power their consumer line.
I’ve been super happy with the UGreen DXP4800 Plus and have recommended it to friends and family.
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Many thanks for the info, appreciate the update, I am looking for 2 new DS nas but essentially even more disappointing specs and another downgrade. What is synology’s issue with network bandwidth and usb support ????
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3:02 – sales tax / VAT varies down to the city level in the states. It’s different for everyone.
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They removed the 10Gbe and removed support for 3rd part 10Gbe probably because the chinese from aliexpress sold a cheaper product in more quantity than they did with they’re one
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With that pace i think Synology would take next 6 years to catch up with my Ugreen DXP4800+
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Thank you for confirming that I made the right choice by purchasing a NON-Synology NAS to replace my aging DS-918+
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The hardware upgrade for those who likes shiny new model numbers only
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Considering how long these products last alongside the constantly updated DSM, I’m not surprised they are pushing higher prosumer users to the enterprise models. I’m not that tech savvy, or price sensitive and happy to trade 10GbE for 2.5 to stay with DSM.
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lol and still 10 years behind others
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Thanks but NO!!! Time for QNAP.
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Sticking with my DS920+ more excited on Minisdorum upcoming NAS instead.
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In the target buyer and I will not be purchasing. Even w/ out hard drive limitations I see no reason to buy. No iGPU is an immediate do not buy. Synology has abandoned the consumer market to chase enterprise customers. They need to pull out entirely at this point.
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Better alternatives
For speed: 923+ with 10Gbps addon
For Media: 920+
For both: 2019 models from other brands
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If that’s the case, I bought my DS1512+ on a Monday.
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No IGP so I have zero interest in it. It’s an essential component for these machines with weak CPUs. I can run a Plex server and Unmanic on virtually any CPU, as long as it has an IGP. Otherwise, nope, I can’t be spending over a year software transcoding my archive. They’ve practically admitted it themselves by pulling transcoding from their Surveillance Station software and shifting the load to the cameras to make up for their weak NAS boxes.
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Check out the *QNAP TS-h973AX* … hard to find a better buy/features/performance for the $$
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So no 10GB, no integrated graphics, for who this is for? For the suckers that have been buying 1GB Nics Synology to upgrade?
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no 10Gbps = no $ale
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I’m increasingly convincing myself (probably erroneously so) that the 25+ range is a stop gap, low investment, faux-“upgrade” range for the purpose of “let’s get rid of those old components”, and that in 1.5 – 2 years tops, they will roll out a “AI CPU” NAS range, and probably using a new chassis design as well. The appearance of the the AI Console in beta does nothing to dissuade me on this.
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im still here running my ds412 lol
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I only use a nas for media, Synology software seems overly complicated. Would I be better off with ugreen? Or qnap? Mine doesn’t have transcoding nor does plex work, after instal just tells me I don’t own the server and no way to fix it.
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The reason that the US Amazon web site does not include tax is because there is no US federal sales tax. There are sales taxes in most (all ? ) states but they are not all the same. In Canada, we do have a federal sales tax and most provinces have a provincial sales tax which vary in amount and in some cases they are blended with the federal tax. Confused yet ?
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I bought mine mainly for the integrated GPU.
do you think it’s realistic they have a iteration in the reasonable (3-5 years) future with a IGPU?
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I run a DS918+ and i dont see 1 simple reason why i should “upgrade”????
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Is this alll fake news?
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As for the 10G Slot on th e925+ etc missing:
As long as I finally get 2.5G that is fine for me, shelling out over 100,- for an overpriced 10G slot-in always rubbed me the wrong way .
On another note, shame to hear they still do not support the nvme-bays as proper drives.
There is no reason not to allow users to install the system on there for massively improved random read performacne other than Synologies usual unwillingness to live in the present.
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looks like calling something old, new might not be the best idea. But they will raise prices to stand behind their claims.
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No 10GbE options, not a DS for me at home
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Xpenology, HERE WE COME!!!
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i would still consider this garbage Hardware when the price go down 30%.
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After 8 months: crickets.
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Downgrading a Synology NAS, such as the DS224+, from DSM 7.2.2 to DSM 7.2.1 is not officially supported by Synology, as their policy typically only allows forward updates. However, it is possible to perform an unofficial downgrade using a manual process. This involves resetting the system, manipulating the DSM version file, and installing the desired version. Below are the steps tailored for your DS224+ model, but please note the following:
– **Disclaimer**: This is an unofficial method, not supported by Synology. Proceed at your own risk, as it could lead to data loss, system instability, or bricking your NAS if done incorrectly. Always back up your data first.
– **Prerequisites**: You’ll need a computer with Synology Assistant installed, a terminal application (like PuTTY for Windows or Terminal for macOS), and the DSM 7.2.1 .pat file for the DS224+.
### Steps to Downgrade DSM 7.2.2 to 7.2.1 on DS224+
1. **Backup Your Data**
Before proceeding, back up all data on your DS224+ to an external drive or another device using Hyper Backup or another method. A downgrade can potentially wipe settings or data, so this step is critical.
2. **Download Required Files**
– Go to the Synology Download Center (synology.com/support/download), select “DS224+”, and locate the DSM 7.2.1 full installation file (e.g., `DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`). Avoid incremental update files.
– Also, create a “fake” .pat file: Open a text editor, type a few random characters (e.g., “test”), and save it as `fake_DS224+.pat`.
3. **Enable SSH and Telnet**
– Log in to DSM on your DS224+.
– Go to **Control Panel > Terminal & SNMP**, enable both SSH and Telnet services, and apply the changes.
4. **Reset the NAS to a Migratable State**
– Go to **Control Panel > Update & Restore > Reset**, and select “Reset system configuration” (this keeps your data but wipes settings).
– After the reset, the NAS will restart and enter a “migratable” state.
5. **Locate the NAS with Synology Assistant**
– Open Synology Assistant on your computer and scan for your DS224+. It should appear with a status of “Migratable” and a temporary DHCP IP address.
– Note the IP address displayed.
6. **Trigger an Error with the Fake .pat File**
– In Synology Assistant, right-click the DS224+ and select “Install” or “Update.”
– Choose the fake .pat file (`fake_DS224+.pat`) and start the installation. It will fail at around 4-5%, opening the Telnet port (23). This is intentional.
7. **Access the NAS via Telnet**
– Open a terminal application (e.g., PuTTY on Windows or Terminal on macOS).
– Select Telnet, enter the NAS IP address from Step 5, set the port to 23, and connect.
– Log in with username `root` and password `101-0101`.
8. **Edit the VERSION File**
– Once logged in, type the following command to edit the DSM version file:
“`
vi /etc/VERSION
“`
– Press `i` to enter insert mode, then overwrite the contents with the following (specific to DSM 7.2.1 for DS224+):
“`
majorversion=”7″
minorversion=”2″
productversion=”7.2.1″
buildphase=”GM”
buildnumber=”64570″
smallfixnumber=”0″
builddate=”2023/06/01″
buildtime=”00:00:00″
“`
– Press `Esc`, then type `:wq` and press Enter to save and exit.
9. **Install DSM 7.2.1**
– Return to Synology Assistant, locate the NAS again (it may still show as migratable), and select “Install” or “Update.”
– This time, choose the real DSM 7.2.1 .pat file (`DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`) you downloaded in Step 2.
– Proceed with the installation. The NAS will reboot once complete.
10. **Verify and Restore**
– After rebooting, log in to DSM via your browser using the NAS IP. It should now run DSM 7.2.1.
– Restore your data and settings from the backup if needed.
### Important Notes
– **Data Risk**: While this method aims to preserve data, there’s no guarantee. If the storage pool or volumes are incompatible due to changes between versions, you may need to recreate them, losing data.
– **Post-Downgrade Issues**: Some packages or settings from 7.2.2 may not work on 7.2.1 and might require reinstallation or repair via Package Center.
– **Official Alternative**: If this process fails or seems too risky, consider contacting Synology Support for guidance, though they may recommend a fresh install of 7.2.1, which wipes everything.
If you encounter errors (e.g., “file corrupt” or “cannot initialize disks”), double-check the .pat file integrity (use a checksum if available) and ensure you’re using the correct DS224+ version. Let me know if you need further assistance!
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Please don’t recommend Synology NAS anymore after they kill their customer by DSM 7.2.2.
They can steal what they deliver. And they will do the same thing in the future again and again. Don’t trust Synology.
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If they’d bothered to ask the consumers, they’d realize we want a 10GBE option and good hardware transcoding with 5 storage bays, USB-C 10BGPS expansion and a wider selection of compatible drives. But nooo let’s do the opposite.
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TBH I expect a NAS in 2025 to be capable of idling down to 1 or 2 watts of power consumption. Every 100w of draw = $166/yr. This rating is rarely talked about.
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I got 923+ like a month ago ????????????
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I am so angry right now!!! I waiting and waiting for new Synology NASes with newer hardware. But this is total bullshit from Synology!
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how are the new NAS’s with plex?
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What you came for 4:28.
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Very dissapointing. The only reason to buy a NAS from Synology is its software which is undoubtly the best software out there. Personally I’ve migrated to QNAP.
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Why would they change hardware if what u have its enough for everything? Maybe u get 2 more years for support if u buy this . But in 10 or 8 years later i am sure u buy another one meantime
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I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to upgrade my 920+. This isn’t it.
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Thanks to you but no thanks Synology.
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What watch are you wearing? it looks classic 80’s
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So the same Celeron processor where they disabled video transcoding and possibly hard drive restrictions. Bye Synology. Looks like I’m moving to Asustor.
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I gave up late last year and built my own truenas based box. Only thing i miss is synology active backup.
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Haven’t finished the video yet but hoping they have 10gbe ethernet like the ugreen nas systems
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I’m currently on a 920+. Was hoping to upgrade it this year but the fact there’s no integrated graphics will be a step back for me as I often stream Emby away from home and the transcoding is already slow enough, unless the CPU in these new boxes manages to be faster than the integrated graphics it’s a hard no from me. Maybe if they support more than 8GB of RAM I could be tempted but looks like I’m skipping another generation
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If this is accurate (and I only say if because Synology haven’t officially announced it to us yet, but those photos seem legit), that’s embarrassing. I’ve recently come to the conclusion that I really need a NAS, and because of your videos I came to the conclusion that Synology is the best choice both in general and specifically for certain parts of my use case. I was fully prepared to pull the trigger on the DS1825+, but not with that hardware. At this point, I’ll just get some more powerful solution, and just deal with the wacky software.
I was expecting they’d refresh with one of the new CPUs that has an NPU (so they can advertise it as “AI”, but it’d at least be way faster than a 2016 AMD cpu, even moreso with facial recognition in the photos app), and I would’ve really loved to see thunderbolt support (for faster temporary connections to your laptop).
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I need for Plex server, what brands should I move to? This is just disappointing
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These are refreshes, not improvements. I currently rock a DS-918+ with 32GB of ram, two 500GB Cache drives, and four 8TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro drives. This setup with the Intel Celeron J3455 has video transcoding which is important for me. Synology has only upped the network, while trimming internal functionality, again.
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shena haba’a besinologya 2026?
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No surprise. Synology has moved to enterprise customers for some years now, not catering to individuals anymore. UGreen is coming on strong and more coming for us users.
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nothing coming out for Slim? Oh I saw… 6:00 the DS625slim
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Wow, new products made from trash, eco-friendly products from Synology
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I don’t buy this product. I’m embarrassed to say it’s new.
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What a waste of an opportunity for Synology! Who, in their right mind, would upgrade from a DS923+ to a DS925+. You lose the 10GBe and get the same level of performance. If they made a leap to current edge technology with 10GBe built in, I would upgrade. Also, they should be including Thunderbolt 5 support. USBC, really? Synology needs to be bought out, reworked, and made relevant as a new technology provider. This is just silly! Time to fire the R&D department.
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Thanks for letting us all know – keep it up!!
Just bought the DS1621+ & the T1 10Gbe card. Luckily, I do not regret this.
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So they took away the 10 gb option for a built in 2.5? No thank you, Id rather and did buy the 10 gb adapter card and am pretty much future proof there albeit with extra $$ up front
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Only 1 expansion unit on the 1525+? That’s a bit of a downgrade. Why didn’t synology just put in a 10gbps usb-c controller and 2 usb-c ports, that way not a downgrade to expandability and an upgrade to connection type.
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Could you make a video about a Synology NAS + Mac mini solution as a home server? Since the performance of these synology systems seems to never increase, I thought it would be a good combo, using the Mac for all processor intensive tasks and the synology mainly for storage. I am getting annoyed with plex on my DS720+ and thought an upgrade would help, but after seeing the specs of the new gen, it does not seem worth it. There are few articles about this kind of setup online.
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I had to check if it was Aprils fools day. It’s a shame what they did. Such a missed opportunity. This is a goodby for me Synology.
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Synology has let us down again! Here are two key reasons:
1. No 10Gb networking installed
2. No integrated graphics
Why continue using outdated technology? At the very least, give consumers the option to buy truly high-end features. What do you all think? Would you pay more for top shelf?
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It is completely beyond me how people still spend their hard earned money on Synology garbage NAS’s (1GB NICs, 2/4GB RAM, deficient CPUs, lack of PCIe expansion etc). Then to make matters worst they pour salt in the wound with restrictions on which RAM & HDDs you can install unless of course you spend extra money unnecessarily for the Synology branded options. They even restrict you from using NVME drives as storage drives unless they’re Synology branded smdh.
I guess the only purpose Synology serves is to somewhat keep QNAP on their toes.
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I wonder if anyone from Synology reads threads like this. I would think they would expect excitement over the release of several new products. But instead it is overwhelming disappointment. At the time of this writing, there are 260 comments and I have seen only a small handful of positive thoughts sprinkled in. And even those are really just in defense of using older CPUs; I don’t see ANY that are truly excited.
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I just bought a 224+ last week. Ugh. Figures for my first step into this world and I am upgrading my house to 2.5g
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My 1019+ with 16G RAM, 2.5G adapter and HW transcoding with a lifetime Plex pass gives me no reason to upgrade. I’ve sold my surveillance station licences and deleted the app. I will not be handcuffed to Synology only HDD’s and continually see apps and functionality being removed. This is my last Synology Box
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I’m on a 918+ wanting to upgrade and this is beyond disappointing. I’m very interested in the that mini pc Nas I saw a few videos on. At least I can say the 918+ has been sold for years but, synology seems to be stuck in the apple ???? mentality. Seems they think they can sell the same thing every year and everyone continues to buy. I guess it’s definitely time to move on!
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QNAP has got my money. For a turnkey nas they are just great. Gave up on syno 2 years ago, the writing was on the wall and you cant fix stupid.
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I have a ds414play and have been considering upgrading. Based on the underwhelming hardware described in this video, why shouldn’t I just buy a Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 5? It seems you have to really really like DSM software to stay with Synology.
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My DS1817+ died in November 2023 and, thinking that a replacement for the DS1821+ was due out anytime I’ve been waiting ever since. I’m just glad that the DS1825+ is coming out and that I’ll get the full software support for 10 years (?) rather than going for a DS1821+ with 6 (?) years of support? I’m fairly certain that my DS1817+ has a motherboard that has failed and I’m just hoping that the disks are okay!!!
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Will carry on running my ProLiant 4 bay Xpenology until the next release and hope for something better.I really want to buy a Synology but not there present junk
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I think Synology’s increasingly restrictive compatibility requirements on RAM, NVMEs and HDDs are becoming a deal breaker. In particular their requirement to use synology brand RAM and NVMEs make their use prohibitively expensive – difficult to justify in price performance terms. Forcing people to use Synology branded HDDs restricts upgrade and modernisation paths. These policies are short sighted.
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My rs2821+ will be my last Synology. Using unraid now. But thanks to synology it really helped me when i was still starting.
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Honest question from a NAS beginer that I’ve been waiting for a new Synology NAS: I read all the dissapointed on the comments, and people name Ungreen and others but what about THE SOFTWARE!!! the real value of the Synology is the software, my fear of go to Ungreen is being hacked due the software.
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I was vainly hoping for a decent intel based media server NAS somewhere in the Synology line-up that would supersede my 920+ but last month I gave up and built my own set-up and switched over to TrueNAS Scale – fair to say there was a steep learning curve but now I have a much much better system for my media. I keep a 224+ for work files and that’s adequate for basic storage. Overall the Synology refresh is just a bit “meh”.
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well… ether a year or two old use model from them or building/ugreen. i knew covid would have a many year knock on affects for parts.. but show how little overall og stock there was on parts.
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What an absolute joke! Synology is clueless. The only good thing about these 2025 models is that they will make the current models cheaper! I absolutely will NOT be buying any of these new models. Seriously, 98% of these specs are the same… and the lack of PCIe and or 10GbE standard on most of the :refresh” is an insult to 2025 buyers. Complete middle finger to consumers and it’s existing customer base! Seriously, just buy a two bay unit for the software and call it a day!
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If it is their response to the numerous successful NASes released recently, then they will loose a lot of customers.
I personally wanted to migrate my home NAS from 2-bay to 4-6 bays. I waited till their release because I love the software. But it does not make any sense. Old, slow and ineffective CPUs, memory limitations, Ethernet limitations, no integrated GPU on most models. These devices are obsolete even before release.
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Should’ve named the video “Synology announces their newest line of factory direct E-Waste for 2025”
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“We have plenty of stock of very cheap or discontinued products… That we can sell at golden price with an additional price of 25% (thank you to Trump).” – Syno
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Time to go DIY.
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Just moving to 2.5Gig , when the other vendors are moving to 10Gig. I currently have a DS920+ the 2, 1Gig ports trunked. I was hoping they would have advanced a little further by now. Disappointing, will move on.
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Too late, already got the QNAP h973ax with 10gbe and 32gb ram a few months ago….. Maybe when that device is EOL in 2029, Synology will have 10gb and 32gb ram as standard ? ????
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I’m actually liking my gen 3 asustor lockster as6804t over my ds1019+. Bye bye Synology, you just confirmed why i had to leave the brand.
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7:14 because they’re cheap. I’m sure they got some insane discount on old inventory from Intel or such.
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Welcome to 1984! Now definitely moving to the competitors.
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Pathetic. I’ve been waiting for this announcement see if I could finally upgrade my DS1513. Instead I’ll be building an Unraid server.
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Thank you for all you do. I hate hearing this as I’m really wanting to replace my ancient QNAP TS-419P II 4bay. Suggestions anyone?
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time to move away from synology….
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Oh goodie, 2.5 GbE whoop-de-do! No 10 GbE upgrade option?!?????
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Well, Synology is helping me to save money by not releasing products that are worth upgrading to. My good old DS1520+ will keep being the main unit and my DS723+ will keep being the backup unit. Nothing here to be exited about!
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Hopefully, we will see decent closeout prices on the existing versions.
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Saw this coming a mile away. I’ve completely ditched Synology hardware and am rocking the 10-core Intel 1235U in my Ugreen DXP8800 running Proxmox and Synology DSM in a VM and couldn’t be happier. Performance is leagues beyond my old DS1821.
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Counting the days it will take before Synology will put this in their News section on their website
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I would fire the product manager and his department. You are risking the future of the company with these poor decisions.
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Been waiting for a new 6 bay for years now. Needless to say that I’m highly disappointed that it’s not in the picture… And even if I decided to go to a different model, the “upgrades” are equally disappointing. I’ve always hesitated to move on from Synology, now I’m getting more and more convinced I should make the move (probably QNap)
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Will the DS1825+ be able to be upgradable to 10G with use of axpansion slot like one can with the DS1821+?
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In my eyes Syno is more and more losing ground in terms of hardware.
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Very disappointed, I have waited long for the DS1825+ to replace my DS1522+ with 10Gbe, but I’ve decided to replace the disks with bigger ones instead.
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2.5 gbps? Hell froze over!
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Looks Like I have to learn TrueNas.
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Synology is just not interesting anymore. The feature set is has been. They have nothing to compete with.
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Glad I went for a UGREEN NAS
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i feel like this was a blast from the past. are these new devices? lol
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Synology once again shows the middle finger to SOHO and Plex users. Looks like I’ll be going with a UGreen solution to update my aging DS916+…….if only UGreen sold NAS directly in the UK!
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Why are so many people crying, these manage spinning sata disks, they don’t need the latest CPU.
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It’s disappointing, but for me, it is all about the software i can not go away what ever. Synology Drive and Snology Photos are for me not easy to replace.
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My Aoostar R5 has 64GB of ram and amd 5820u running truenas. These sonology seem 10 years behind
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Nah, one step forward and another back… Synology aren’t leading with innovation here it’s barely catching up. No 10 Gig, not interested then… shame DSM wasn’t available as a standalone OS.
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Genuine upgrades or a knee jerk to ugreen and Ubiquiti offerings?
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These “refreshes” are pathetic.
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Do not spend your time:
Highlight- Synology decided to use 2.5g nic in 2025, that’s the whole upgrade. (Feel free to close).
Everything else is negligible and not even an upgrade if you had a model above average before.
PS: never heard of most disappointing upgrade in life
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All the Synology fans who kept telling us, okay, the hardware sucks, but their OS is worth the price. Do you still agree?
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The fact that they still have enough of that Celeron J4125 (a 2019 proccessor that is EoL) on-hand to build an entire new 2025 model (who knows when that will see EoL since it’s not like they upgrade annually) should tell you all you need to know about this companies foresight. 2.5GBe is their big leap forward in connectivity standards? Most have moved on to 5GBe or even 10GBe by now and ol’ Synology out here dipping a toe in the 2.5GBe waters in 2025. Wow. Rocking my DS920+ for the foreseeable future and then I’ll be doing anything but Synology for the next NAS.
To think that I used to complain when Synology had poor rack offerings. If only that were still the issue in 2025. For others reading, Ubiquiti released a NAS last year called the UNAS Pro that’s a 2u rack-mountable chassis, 10GBe networking, redundant powering options and 7-drive bays for a retail price of $499. And that’s from one of the more notorious names in over-charging for tech, mind you. If you want real business-class data storage there’s far better options now and for the foreseeable future from the looks of things.
In terms of pro-sumer and enthusiasts (who Synology seems to hate now even though they wouldn’t exist w/o them), it wouldn’t take much for Ubiquiti to add an integrated graphics CPU, expandable RAM and application/docker support to that UNAS Pro to release an upgraded UNAS called the MAX Pro XCG LMNOP (or whatever) for probably $699. RIP Synology. I would say it’s been a good run but I don’t feel like lying.
Thanks again for another great video and doing all of the legwork on this video though so the rest of us don’t have to endure the brain damage only to find out it’s another dud of a year. You helped me a lot with my NAS choice years ago and I’ll be watching closely over the coming months/years to see what other offerings become viable as their software matures.
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I won’t mind synology using those e-waste cpus “IF” they priced properly.
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Since I’m buying a Synology for its great software, the 925+ looks quite appealing to me. I don’t mind that they’re a bit conservative with hardware updates..
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No DS925+ with intel ?
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No GPU again – dogshit
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I’ll take an unpopular stance. Unless they restrict the new units to Synology only drives (which may be a showstopper as I won’t be able to just transfer my current disk array into the new unit) I’ll likely be upgrading my trusty DS1512+ to the DS1525+. For me Synology gives the rock solid reliability in hardware and software that I need. The 2.5Gb ports will be welcome, but I won’t need 10Gb anytime soon. The new processor will also be sufficient for my needs for quite a while. The additional memory will be great as will nvme caching.
Clearly I’m not a power user, but there are probably more people and businesses like me out there than there are power users who might need the latest and greatest. Not everybody needs or wants a Lamborghini when an ultra reliable Toyota will do them just fine.
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When are they available for sale?
I just bought an 224+ yesterday wich I could return for 30 days.
I was waiting for so long for 2,5gbe nics since I’m running ssd’s in the unit.
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Does Synology offer ZFS on any of their hardware? I know there are more hardware requirements for ZFS, but that is what I am really looking for from Synology.
I am currently using a DS923+. But I am reading about a lot of advantages to using ZFS.
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how many tons of J4125 do they still have?
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Synology never fails to disappoint, guess they want everyone to switch to xpenology or Truenas!
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While I agree with the sentiments expressed here over the lack of hardware updates from Synology, it’s important to remember that what makes a good NAS is it’s software. Hardware is easy, software is hard. The thing I like about my pair of Synology NAS’s is DSM. Things just work. No fuss, no tinkering, no intermittent failures or erratic behaviour.
Most home users really do not require 10GbE or faster CPU’s etc. They’re nice to have but for the majority of home users, I think the hardware, though dated, is sufficient for their use case.
My biggest concern about moving away from DSM is the quality of the OS being used. For example, I don’t know if UGreen, Terramaster or QNAP offer a Synology Drive equivalent, and if they do, if it’s as dependable and easy to configure.
For me, it’s the OS that is the prime factor for a NAS and the hardware a secondary consideration. You can have decent functionality with an excellent OS running on slower hardware, but poor software on the best hardware is next to useless.
Sure, I don’t like the way Synology has gone with regards hard drives etc, and I’m not saying I’d stay with Synology forever. I’m just concerned over the quality of the software of other solutions.
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Excellent news, Synology well done ????
You could have gone all the way, with state of the art new Ryzens, and Intel N series. Forcing your customers to upgrade… but your being eco friendly, using that warehouse of CPUs you over purchased in 2019!
You’ve just saved me about £3000..
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SYnology don’t have to do anything …. with Asustor pricing themselves out of the market and Qnap still less then stellar with Customer support it is really only the Chinese brands with their software issues that can offer any real competition however ….IF UNIFI actually did a proper NAS -Game over
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I would 1000% jump ship to another NAS platform with better hardware, if it wasn’t for the free Active Backup for Business license we get with Synology NAS. The other software solutions that I found are just too expensive for personal use. This could be a good video to cover if you were able to compare other bare bones backup software solutions (hopefully with de-duplication) in comparison to active backup for business.
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Once UGREEN figures out their OS, it’s basically game over for Synology. That’s saying a lot since it’ll take a long time for them to figure that out, but man does their hardware just smoke synology’s 2019 processor bullshit with a premium price tag.
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They have been pushing these 4125j for so many years. How much more can they have ?
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It seems like synology is all in on passive income ????????
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Just bankruot synology if that is what you are planning to do
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hahahahaha! we have lots of cpus going cheap lets charge people silly money for old tech. Jesus! just build your own for way cheaper and 100x faster
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What a JOKE.. If it weent for their ease of use id be out.
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Already gave up on synology and this just seals it, have 1522+ and planning a DIY rackmout with better spec than synology which im sure will cost me less than synology
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Lol I’m out
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A N D they are hobbling their apps like the photos app.
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Excellent vid. Crap lifecycle. Keeping my 916+ going
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Sounds like they just moved the bandwidth around and cut what they needed to balance the output. They must have way overbought those old cpu’s.
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the poor showing at Computex motivated me to stop waiting for new a DS9/DS15 product and just build a NAS from scratch, was scared for a minute that I had missed out here but am quite happy with my Q670 build, good to see they’re ditching 1GbE but my machine has 2 x 2.5GbE and I’ve got a PCIe5.0 x16 slot
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This brand is stupid. I’m moving forward with DIY TrueNas.
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Goodbye Synology – hello Ugreen ????. Synology should go back and read what happened to Blackberry – THAT is their future. I’m buying 2x Ugreen devices, can run native OS, Unraid or Truenas. Then there are options like GMKtek and Lincstation, so long story short, Synology have missed the boat and will be playing catch-up to get some of their market share back!
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With this new lineup my DS716+II still looks pretty shiny. Not a lot has changed in those years.
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I’m very happy with my UGreen 4800plus. . . .
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*Update* In order to better track each of the new Synology NAS revealed at this event, I have made update pages for each device below. Additionally, as mentioned in the video, I am canvassing user feedback on these new releases (ideally existing Synology NAS users and/or SIs – system integrators) for a follow up video soon. put your feedback in the comments below or in the Reddit thread here – https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/1ja7hmq/discussing_the_news_on_synology/
Synology DS525+, DS1525+, DS425+, DS1825+, DS1825xs+, DS225+ NAS Reveal https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds525-ds1525-ds425-ds1825-and-more-revealed/
Synology DS925+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds925-nas-news/
Synology DS1525+ NAS Leak https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1525-nas-revealed/
Synology DS425+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825-nas-news/
Synology DS425+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825xs+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825xs-nas-revealed/
Synology DS225+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds225-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS Leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvpgpeKEE0A
Synolgoy DS625slim 6-Bay NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synolgoy-ds625slim-6-bay-nas-revealed/
Synology DS725+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds725-nas-revealed/
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Very unimpressive. The same CPU as my 1621+, and no 10GbE?
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Should have drank the coffee before editing – you’ve got two outros back to back
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Waiting to see a Nascompares review of the Aoostar WRT Max before I decide if I’m going for a turnkey or a diy.
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When is the release date ?
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Fingers crossed the new DS725+ finally gets a USB on the backside to plug in the UPS… plugging it in on the front is just ridiculous.
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It seems to me like Synology is trying to balance the effects of technological progress by applying some form of reverse Moore’s Law. In a few more years, their refreshed product line will match the performance of my 10 year old DS214. Tired of waiting for them, time to look elsewhere.
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Great video as always
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I just ordered my first NAS 1522+; should I cancel and get the 1525+?
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Are we ever going to see a synology with snapdragon processor?
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Nice of them. I’ve already moved on to another NAS. It’s too late for me.
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My guess is the quote of USB at 6 Gb is a mistake and somebody was thinking of SATA… to engineer 6 GB USB wouldn’t make any sense, especially given how little effort they’ve put into these upgrades
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Is it true that Synology now requires you use Synology branded drives? If I wanted to buy the DS1825+ and put in 8x 4TB SSDs, must I use Synology?
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Has Synology become the iPhone of NAS? Very little innovation over the years.
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Still not seeing any reason to move up from my Synology DS918+ which I bought just after launch. Sorry Synology, your software is amazing and I’ve had no issues with any of my previous purchases. I guess I’m just not your preferred customer anymore.
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If a new one with ‘same hardware’ just 2.5gbe costs much more than the usb to 2.5Gbe adapter, people should might consider buy 2.5Gbe adapter only and save money (if they already have one) and if they don’t, maybe by an old model, and if want, buy 2 adapters one as backup ???? and still saving money
The prices are ‘crazy’ and for example here in brazil, they’re totally crazy.
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I swear, Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists is one of the best books I’ve read. It’s life-changing.
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I recommend everyone to find the book titled Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists, It changed my life.
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Why isn’t everyone talking about Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists this book is next level
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it’s really crazy how nobody is talking about the book bevelorus the hidden codex of the financial alchemists
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This is why I’m working on putting my own home server together. I won’t be using any discontinued hardware.
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It’s crazy how this book isn’t blowing up yet. The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists on Bevelorus is packed with real gems.
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Underpowered and overpriced.
With all those new NAS (ugreen and others) I don’t know why one should choose Synology at this time, apart from the software (but we have truenas, unraid…)
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very surprised about the missing 1621+ update..
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i feel so bad for selling my old nas, this is just shit, no 10GBE ON THE 1825???? JOKE COMPANY, its time to buy unifi unas pro with 2bay synology for phone backup only
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I looked at the Mona Lisa in summer of ’22. It was as underwhelming as these boxes.
Who wants to bet: all still on kernel 4.4.x.
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Fantasic news. Thanks for putting this out so quickly – it’s made my day (sad, I know!). I use a 920+ and skipped the 923+ because I could not believe the dumb and short sighted approach by Synology by not including 2.5GbE on it, a MASSIVE fail, IMO. But this 925+ looks like it’s going to be my next NAS, BUT, will I be able to remove my 4 drives out of my 920+ and just drop them in to my 925+ when it arrives???
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Intel J4125, comon Synology, with N100/305 out there? i understand not moving right away, because of their policy into having more stable setups, but by now the N100/305 are probably the best choices for small server.
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Sounds like a cash grab. Fuck’em.
Nice watch, btw.
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Very disappointing release. The competition is crushing Synology with innovation and performance. Seems like Blackberry all over again.
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For the expansion units, the USB-C port is probably connected directly to the processors of the DS and the expansion units, but the drives are all connected with SATA protocols and hardware, so they can’t promess any more speed than SATA 6Gbps even if the port is 10Gbps. Maybe the port is USB-C 10Gbps and can be used for other means tho?
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Moved to Terra master F4 424 last year, after being with Synology since my very first NAS donkeys years ago. Looking at this refresh it was still a good move. I can use it with TOS6 or anything else I choose, pick the drives I want, Synology these days is just over priced Cr@p. Love this channel and thanks for getting up so early.
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A good time to check where ugreen is at
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meh, if it aint broke dont fix it.. they probably have a huge stockpile of those old CPU’s they are trying to get rid of. For storage.. they are more than adequate.. for people that want more and more out of their appliance.. docker.. vms.. this isn’t the right choice.. but it never was..
lets hope they create a new series for power users like that.. other wise.. you gotta build something yourself.
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Excellent presentation. Thank you. A bit disappointed to be honest. Was hoping for 10GbE on the 1825+.
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Synology demonstrating why they need to go under…………get bent, Synology. you suck so much taint.
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I’m just waiting to see if we can use nvme as storage. If not, I’m moving on.
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Duck Synology. No more health check on non Synology drives. They lost my business years ago and I needed more 12 bays.
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Just set up my new DS923+ yesterday…… Would have liked the 2.5gbe but doesn’t really look like I’ve missed out on much. And still have the 10gbe option should I ever actually need it!
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Great roundup man! The 7/9/15 series not supporting 10GbE would be such a letdown!
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No Synology for me, plz.
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Two x 2.5 is much better than 4×1 in LAG. While 4×1 LAG gives you a combined 4Gbbps of bandwidth its only 1Gbbps PER STREAM. Dual 2.5’s in lag gives you 5Gbbps aggregate, which yeah is a 1G upgrade, but ALSO gives you 2.5Gbps per stream which is a huge improvement.
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Oh dear. Time to find another solution.
As usual, thanks for pulling this together!
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Well, saying I’m disappointed is a big understatement!
I feel even more disappointed than when they announced the RS1821+ without nVME slots! ????
I think it’s time to move on…
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Been running multiple Synology NAS units since the days of the DS207. With the other competitors listening to what their non enterprise users want, I can’t help but continue to look elsewhere for my daily driver NAS. Having a UGREEN and QNAP, those both continue to just look better (if their software can be as reliable).
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Curious if the dx525 has any improvement due to usb-c, says same 6gbps?
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I like fart too.
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Any DVA model changes expected?
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I own a Synology and am looking for a 2nd NAS. Will not be looking at Synology for that. I am interested to see how UGreen progresses in its app development. Would be nice to have an update on their progress.
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Hmmm, just bought Ugreen with Intel u1235, thanks synology for reminding me, why i migrate from my 1522+… Like putting new carpets to the car… and call it refreshed new version ???? Ugreen allow me use any ram i want (not overpriced synology one), allow me to create volume on nvme, allow me install other os and the EXOS drives are a bit quiter in ugreen (guess that metal chassis with a bit of space on synology doesnt help reduce noise).
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I know what they’re gonna be. Overpriced, under powered, vendor locked junk.
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Honestly, if I need a new device, I’ll look elsewhere. Yes, I use it to back up laptops and as a media hub for photos and videos. Shame as I have Synology mesh as well, this will also go to a different supplier in due course
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Nothing compelling. Seems my RS1619sx+ remains a “current” model. Wish it had WORM/immutable shares, but as far as I know, it still dos not. If I had to buy a desktop NAS right now, it would probably be UGREEN. Their OS is still evolving. It’s not bad in its current form and I am free to put something else on the box.
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What a disappointment. I’ve been waiting for years to give Synology my money. But they just don’t want it. Time to move on…..
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Kind of hard to entertain an upgrade when I’m using a DS712+ still (and also a DS420+; both are NAS ONLY and running nothing else)
It’s clear that my upgrade path will be a (rubbishy in some ways) custom-built NAS out of some 2U case. Trick there is to be able to fit several 3.5″ mechanical hard drives, decent cooling for the mainboard, and upgradability to faster than 1Gbps on MY terms. Not everyone can afford optical or even a copper Nexus switch to get 10Gbps; yes I realize I’m an infra snob and “thing that works like Cisco” is what I expect in infra (10Gbps is still stubbornly expensive at scale, at least at home)
I miss ZFS and I want my next NAS solution to support it.
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Why not just fit 10Gb from the offset? Shouldn’t be an upgrade.
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Well, looks like my ds223 will be replaced with a unifi UNAS pro…
Synology really screwed the pooch here..
UNAS has a A57, 7 bays, and 10g for $499…
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1825+ with dual 2.5Gbe would be more than enough for most users, so it’ll be ultimately about the price – if it doesn’t go any higher than 1821+ then it may remain competitive on the market, but if it costs any penny more, then it’s not worth over older model at all
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DS425+ uses the same Intel Celeton J4125 as the DS423+ so don’t even bother looking for an upgrade.
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Went over to Unraid and built my own micro box with potentially 6 bays. Never going back to the many rip off manufacturers like Synology. I am gobsmacked at their attitude and almost zero technology advances
But love this channel and always come here to keep up dated
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Synology pace is glacial. It’s hard to tell the difference after five years. You almost have to wait 10 years for real progress.
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I have been happy during 12 years with my Synology 1511+ and switched recently to Qnap 855x. No brainer
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I am excited about these new releases. Maybe the 22, 23 and 24 units will come down in price and I can buy one of those! In the mean time, where do I look for used units to purchase cheap? Some of us are on tight budgets. Our CFO has an iron fist of NO when it comes to new technology purchases. (CFO=Wife).
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I’m still so happy with my fully loads DS3612xs and DS2413+ from back then. Looking at these new releases I’m not missing out ????????
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That´s a fight to Ugreen xD – not really :/
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Synology Hardware ????
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F Synology
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Glad I went with the T6-423 from Terramaster. Been pretty good for what I need it. HDHomeRun Docker and Plex, iTunes Library location.
I encode the videos for iTunes and then Plex Library picks up the folder contents.
So streaming iTunes videos to AppleTV Plex Client or AppleTV client from Apple.
As such the NAS not doing any transcoding.
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I currently own a Synology DiskStation918. Over the years, I’ve noticed that Synology has been gradually locking down their hardware, which has been a significant deterrent for me. I’ve been keeping an eye on the DXP4800+ since its release last year, but it has unfortunately been unavailable in the UK. I reached out to UGREEN regarding a potential UK release of the DXP4800+. Within 10 minutes, I received a confirmation that the product should be available in a few weeks, subject to any unforeseen delays.
Bye,bye Synology. I’ve moved on, unlike your hardware.
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Have they finally upgraded the USB ports to 3.2 GEN2 or are they still living in the dark ages?
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Looks like they’re not likely to be getting any money from me this cycle then.
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E-waste.. what a disappointment ????
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I’ve got into Synology in 2020 with a DS220+ for home use, plex and photo archiving. I won’t consider Synology for future upgrades and I’ll keep an eye on other OS and hardware. The N100 and N150 looks awesome at least for me and I’m looking forward to HexOS. Looks like this is the aim of Synology, getting rid of home users, literally anything alse around is more convenient
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Quite a serious case of meh.
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RIP Synology
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synology ds925+ release date ?
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Well time to leave the synology ecosystem ???? what a load of ????
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are any of these killer for plex 4k?
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Kind of disappointed in the proliferation of AMD across the entire Synology lineup. One with an N150, or N355 would be much more interesting to me.
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it’s unreal that they haven’t released anything with n100 or n95. I bet they still have a lot of old stock motherboards to get rid of.
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Moved to ASUSTOR LOCKSTER 4 GEN 2 as I feel synology hardware is lot more older than its compitetors. atleast lockster gen 2 came with N5105 processor which is an older ver but not as old as synologies.
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Fuck me, I just bought a ds723+
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no waay, the finally dropped the gigiabit
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13:39 That’s a gigabyte, not a gigabit.
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LOL, what a joke. This just confirms I will never buy Synology ever again. They are living under a rock.
No reflection on your great videos…thanks for taking the time to share all the helpful info.
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“I like art…” ????
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I’ll stick to my super old 1812+. Very few has changed in the meantime, they are still using outrageously outdated hardware, unbelievable.
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Well this confirms I won’t be touching Synology for the forseeable future.
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I feel stupid now having waited for the synology refresh… Going with Ugreen, Asustor or DIY now.
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Time to quit synology
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They really don’t give a sh¡t about the home/enthusiast/small business market do they? “Let’s make the very least, minimal changes, and up the year number to make it look like it’s a newer and better thing”. They’re like my ex-wife was, always late, always a disappointment, and always trying to tell me they’re better and more value than they really are, and they think I’m a sucker and I’m going to come back because they do that one thing very, very well! Seriously though, if the DS15 doesn’t support 10GbE and the only change on the DS18 is to 2x 2.5GbE, I reckon I’d probably be better off getting discounted 22+ and 21+ units. At least you were up before the seagulls though!
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New stickers on aging hardware… wate of time
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Something tells me that they have not upgraded Marvell RAID chip in DS625slim. I would not be surprised if 6 SATA lanes/disks were still connected to the CPU via just two PCIe 2.0 lanes effectively creating a bottleneck of 1000MB/s. Sadly no DS419slim upgrade on the horizon.
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Man, no 10gbe ? If this is correct this is ludacris ! File sizes and file amounts are only getting larger not smaller. What is synology thinking??
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J4125. Wow, just wow
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Another drip, drip, drip…. Higher prices for the negligible performance improvements. The NAS market all but stopped 5 years ago. Same memory, same CPUs, same slow NICs on the lower end…
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Still no N100-based 2-4-5-bay solutions for home market? Bonkers. I guess this settles it – will go for a selfbuilt. Only question is if I’ll use my (finally) retiring desktop system based on i7-4790 or I’ll pick up one of those fancy N100-based boards.
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Dedication Rob, unwavering. Thanks ????????
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Looks like my 718+ will be replaced with a DIY solution with Proxmox/TrueNas this time, Synology is just trolling its customers at this point.
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Glad I moved on from Synology garbage hardware. This just confirms how much they’ve decided to abandon the userbase.
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Seems like Synology got a good bulk discount to buy up all of AMD’s & Intel’s discontinued e-waste.
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New devices shipping in 2025 with an Intel J4125… a discontinued 2019 CPU… wow.
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oh well…. cant say im not suprised. i guess thats goodbye to synology and my DS1813+. I waited as long as I possibly could. Hello 45Drives HL8.
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Urgh, i just bought a 923+ a month ago because i was tired of waiting and thought they’d skip 2025 new models. I wish they would make a cheap 2.5Gbe upgrade card for the 923+.
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Thanks for the vid, Rob. Yet again, it seems as though Synology has not listened to it’s customer base. My first Synology was a DS211J and bought 2 more since then. Time to turn my back on them and go with something else to upgrade my Plex server.
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Churning out videos like fresh bread rolls. Well done m8 ????
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The DS923+ and DS1522+ have both gone up in price by 20-30% down under lately. For Synology to take away 10Gbe seems absolutely bonkers. For photography and even office work file server 10Gbe is essential. 2.5 Gbe doesn’t even facilitate the full read/write speeds of a 4 or 5 bay NAS with spinning rust. With 4 synology HAT3100’s my DS1522+ runs around 600 MB/s via 10Gbe without any NvMe cache. Why bottle neck these devices by giving no way to get data off at the bandwidth that a bunch of spinning rust can facilitate?
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Well done Synology you’ve finally done something stupid again, and more reasons to move away.
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same old $21 cpu. Next years NEW systems will have racing stripes
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Jeez its a bit disappointing. My old NAS is so overdue for a upgrade but these are not much of a step up in fact in some ways they are worse. My old 4 bay st least still had integrated graphics that works a charm on Plex but is really struggling with modern codecs like AVI.
Really wish someone will make a NAS using a modern chip that has all the latest codecs supported especially AV1 10bit encode and decode
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The recent moves in software, discontinuing Video Station, etc make me nervous getting a Synology. I’m more likely to buy a UGreen (when they finally get released in the UK) at this point.
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Sounds like Synology have just stopped trying in the home / SMB segment. I won’t be investing in a system using dated parts (but which I would want to run for many years into the future) and run by a company that doesn’t seem to care about what (it appears to me) a lot of customers want. Even taking into account software and price, I was already leaning towards QNAP or Asustor etc., and I would still pick their current gen hardware over the new Synology offerings in a heartbeat. Can’t wait to see what these other vendors offer later this year.
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Well this is incredibly disappointing.
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A very disappointing refresh while other brands have move forward considerably
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Bought a fresh 920+ last year. Sems like not much has changed in 5 years ????
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Fuck Shitology
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Thanks for the update!
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Phews in 423+
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I really appreciate your dedication and commitment ????
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As a long time Synology user, currently with a 920+, I was shocked at the rubbish they put out as the 923+! If they do the same dumb thing with the 925+, I’ll be going to QNAP in the next couple of months. SYNOLOGY – WAKE UP! 2.5GBe was due on the 923+, and that omission stopped me buying one. The CPU choice in the 923+ didn’t help either! Synology seem deaf to customers wishes/complaints/suggestions, with their collective heads stuck firmly in the sand – STILL! And don’t get me started on the absolute RIP OFF prices they charge for their (re-branded) add in goods eg HDs, 10GBe cards and M.2 drives. I really am beginning to hate Synology. I would love to get one of their heads of dept in front of me.
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I wonder how many of the negative commenters here suffer from “featuritis” in comparison with real users. I own a small company and frankly I don’t care if I have a 1Gbit or 2.5Gbit network interface on my NAS. All the workstations in my office only support 1 Gbit, as well as the network switch. And the high priced Syno SSD’s are of no concern either because spending my time tinkering on my NASses cost me much more than simply buying something that works. And Synology does that. I just upgraded from a DS716+ to a DS923+ and I’m happy with that. Compile times of my projects halved due to the SSD cache, so I’m happy. I can add storage for the next decade, so I’m happy. It was almost plug and play. That is what is important when using a product, not the absolute price.
It’s a bit of an Apple/Android debate. Android users boast that their system is open an can be extended at will. But do they really use that? Apple just works. Yes, you’re tied in into their closed ecosystem but I’m happy with that. Everything simply works, Always and as expected. And that is what counts for most businesses.
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been 7 months any updates?
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I tried the BeeStation …It’s way too slow for my needs. I’m used to moving very quickly on my computer; having to wait around for the BeeStation drove me crazy, and I had to return it. What about the Plus? Is it faster? What is a better system for me? Thank you
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Well, to begin with I’ve watched many of your videos and there’s a lot of information to take in. I almost bought the Beestation, but then one comment you made in one of your videos about not having a back up and if something goes wrong, you lose everything. So not having a clue what I was doing I purchased a DS224+ with 2 4TB hard drives. I have not received this yet as it is approximately a week away from delivery. So it appears I have a lot to learn because I have no idea if this is even gonna work so I can bring my cloud to my home. Your videos are great and I appreciate the time you put in and all the information that you give to us. Yes, I know I have a lot to learn but overtime it should be OK. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.
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Following your review of the Bee station, I’ve just bought one!
I’ve paired it with a Raided backup drive and have my 5 computers and iPhone connected — and its Brilliant!
Worked straight out of the box. Took a bit of tinkering to get the backup drive working (reformatting it from MAC) and I now have 3x Mac, 2x Windows and my iphone all playing together.
Thanks for pointing me in this direction.
Its sooo simple to share files and pictures!
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6 months later, no sign of the product.
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If Synology is going to hold onto a processor for a DECADE, they need to start off with processors that aren’t horrendously under-powered compared to competitors. They already removed a huge selling point for their NAS products by choosing a processor that can’t do hardware transcoding.
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I can’t decide what I can get to store all of my photos and videos on a nas and if I want to see it over the web which one is the best for me
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I had hoped the DP320 would come in around $1000, but they are USD$2500 to $2800, and for that I can run Veeam on more powerful hardware with a 10Gbps NIC and 3-4X the storage and built-in threat hunting and tiering so older backups get moved over to S3 Glacier. There’s an obvious mismatch between price and value here.
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I am looking at storing my old TV and movie collections. Trying to figure out what is best to run on my lap top and on my tv. Trying to listen to you all and it feels like I just ran into a cement wall. What external hard drives or memory sticks should I look at getting? PLEASE HELP!!! Yours, Computer Putz
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2.5G lan as a minimum or not buying anything, it is well and truly overdue
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I think Synology are getting too big for their boots its only a matter of time for DSM to be toppoled, As we all know its the only thing they have going as they lost the hardware race ages ago
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If all you want is backup then just build a VM with xpenology you can use a normal nas or storage.
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Dude you talk so much and you don’t say anything at all
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In 2025 sell discontinued CPU from 2019. Synology – the bazaar of a desperate company playing at something. And that’s why it will never belong in the server rooms of big companies.
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This is a STRONG indication of Synology being disconnected with the userbase, what the hell is going on here?
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Synology trying to sell us garbage hardware buyed from 3rd world.
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They’re pissing warm on their clientele lol
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Great content, as always! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (mistake turkey blossom warfare blade until bachelor fall squeeze today flee guitar). How can I transfer them to Binance?
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It is still MINISFORUM… Synolgy can call it a day…
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4gb hahahaha still in 2005 I see
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This is for DIY small office it.
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Its like Synology is on the corner screaming: E-waste! Get your factory fresh e-waste right here!
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I feel like there’s way more competition in the market these days (UGreen, UniFi, etc), and Synology are falling behind, big time. The small incremental updates, the discontinuation of Video Station, etc. Just makes me look elsewhere to be honest.
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Robbie, I’m about to buy a QNAP TBS-h573TX but a need to know this: how much noisier it is compared to the QNAP TBS-464?
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Could it prepare the road for Plex ?
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Is it really zero sum between the products? If I were product designer I would be having all three based on the same platform. One code base. There’s no reason the layered apps can’t do the same.
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OMFG this is worth ….the value of a 8TB drive ……that’s it….utterly useless ….if you only have 8TB of storage needed you don’t need a NAS
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It’s like a skipped record for 4 years. Maybe if they watch this video they will change. That door closed 2 years ago. I held on to palm phones for too long hoping, and it was a waste of time. Synology is done, sorry but its the truth. They blew so many chances at bat, the game is over. We can pretend that they did something 2 years ago to turn it around still or we can just move on… Even if they release something great in 25 who cares? They treat their clients poorly in a one sided relationship. I will never trust them again… its a dead brand for many…
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synology????????
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This CPU is more than enough to put files on a hard drive, but the 1GB port is really shameful.
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Our guy became grey and they still not releasing new normal intel cpu synology
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This is good news for DS423+ owners. There will be longer support for this J4125 CPU since they are releasing a new model with it in 2025.
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Great video, would you recommend any newer model for me ? I have a DS715 and I love it but now I need something that allows me to run some VMs, and ssd, I thought in build maybe a server with some slim computer for Home Assistant … I’m a bit lost in cost benefit and power save
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He could have been good… In 2019
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Pretty disingenuous analysis here. This is a poor example of tech review.
take a non-NAS product, the weakest one in the lineup, and cry about its specs as a NAS?
then you point to the packages that went into creating it… and say those packages do it better?
this is ABB/HB/SR with Active Insight and CMS rolled into one. plus VMM. pre-built and ready to go.
“we should avoid comparing this with their NAS” – the man who then proceeded to compare this with other NAS.
Consumers aren’t involved in company-wide backup rules and schedules, but you make the video as if people are about to weigh this against a DS923/UGreen/Whatever.
1GbE is plenty for 5.5Tb of total backup, daily change should be like 200Gb.
Clearly love the algorithm tho, you know how to get people upset.
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Synology, like Blackberry of old, will wake up one morning and realise that they have been overtaken by the competition – wake up or RIP Synology. ????
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If this will have dual 4TB flash then it somewhat makes sense. How hard can it be for the competition to catch up on the software front? Until then we just have to continue to bow down and eat the mediocre hardware humble pie Synology keeps serving
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Was hoping for a good new DS 925 to replace my DS918, leaning more and more towards upgrading the 5-6 years old drives or buying another brand. If they will come with a 925 with pre populated drives or another model with 1GBe, that will prove that they have stagnated and then I will buy another brand or just replace the drives. Sad because I really like DSM.
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If the new DS devies released this year still only have 1gbe inbuit ports then deffo goodbye to synology.
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Did they mention why they have different apps that mostly do the same thing? Why separate BeeFiles or BeePhotos from Synology Drive and Synology Photos? I don’t understand the thinking
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Your comparing apples and oranges. This is for BACKUP only. Not a device for home users. I actually like this coming from a provider side. This small device is for a small remote office. I like where they are going with this. For business use you don’t need full blown DSM since most (that we install) is for backup only.
So, I get it that the home user is not going to be into this but from a business side which is where Synology is trying to become more acceptable it is great. DSM is a hindrance in a business setting when it is only there for backup because you always have that “IT” guy that goes in and loads it up with a bunch of crap home apps like Jellyfin etc.
They are following the money.
The hardware specs on this model are meager for sure but it is intentional. Simplicity. It just has one job. Backup. Period.
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Synology? Who cares..
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I am still wondering which people would buy such a solution with zero redunancy on board. The people they would be targeting with this solution probably buy them as a replacement of cloud sharing solutions, not realizing they’re data suddenly is not backed up anymore. Not saying that RAID would be such a backup, but it is definitely better than one single drive.
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Synology just gave the middle finger to DS SOHO users. These BS (lol!!) devices and corporate server racks. I predict end of proper refresh of DS series devices……. Bring on UGReen to markets other than US and Germany.
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Must be a CSR objective to recycle junkyard processors.
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Yawn. Shit hardware tied to more subscription services? Hard pass.
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Unlike Asustor, these guys don’t listen.
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So I can turn my 5yr old j4125 nuc, 16gb mem, and 4tb ssd into one a this?
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I have a DS212j with two 2 TB drives in an SHR, which leaves me with 2 TB. I use it primarily as a Backup device. I’ve been looking to upgrade to backup more stuff, but because it’s slow and past EOL for DSM updates (I think), I’ve been looking at different systems. I’ve watched a lot of content about the other NAS solutions out there. I know I’m in the minority here, but most of them are serious overkill for my needs. This, on the other hand, looks just about right, depending on price.
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A new device with a 5 year old processor. Where does Synology procurement purchase? A junkyard?
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Never touch Shitology
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So, is it possibly, bye bye decent spec 2/4 bay DS+ range? If so, it’s bye bye Synology for me!
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That was the bigger problem of the Synology branding of ” Synology is like the Apple of Nas”… now its all bundled up not upgradable. Sad, lets hope Ubiquiti adds docker to the UNAS
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useless
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Synology is dead short of ugreen being a Chinese plant that is spying on their devices. Ugreen is king
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Just wonder, who the hell is buying this crap ?
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I would be happy if I could buy 2 of these, and make them sync. That would solve the issue of the lack of backup.
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They are not listening.
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Has Synology given up on the mid-home market?
It looks like they only want the low-end this device is for, or larger companies.
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Honestly we should not put overkill hardware in such a device but I don’t expect to see a j4125 in 2024/2025 launched product
For ref their beestation bst150-4t was selling at whopping 220-230GBP now , guess what price on their newer model ???? ?
Intel: please, they already discontinued and don’t expect we spend resources on it for security patch / firmware update
Synology please, can you see what market average is offering ATM ? ????
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Half steps. Where are the larger capacities and redundancy.
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To BEE or not to BEE?
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What the hell is Synology doing????
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Welp I’ll stick with my ds 720+ for all my plex needs
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I’ll pass !!!!
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No 2.5G Ethernet, wtf is this? It’s a joke.
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Deshalb kauf ich kein Synology NAS mehr! Lieber bau ich mir ein DIY-NAS selbst und mach ArcLoader drauf dann rennt das System förmlich! Sorry aktuell kann ich die Hardware von Syno nicht empfehlen dafür gibt es ausreichend Alternative!
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All I want is synology to release a decent 4 bay with at least a couple of 2.5 GBE and not be nagged for using my own drives
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No announcement yet. Nothing for ces.
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Looks like no new nas for 2025.
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Luckily for me after following the development of Synology for a while, i decided to go with Asustor.
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I just decided not to update my DSM anymore. I will only do it if its mandatory for me to be able to use the NAS. i aint paying more subscriptions. Greedy companies aint getting more money from me.
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Dont buy SYnology anymore! They deleted Video Station App and remove video codecs from Synology Photos. This NAS is not for home station anymore!
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What the heck is Synology doing? Of the dropped the ProSumer Market they should let us know out of respect at least
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No integrated graphics. Oh well. You can stop the review there. It’s Ugreen or Qnap in my likely future. But i appreciate your work.
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It’s time for Apple to clean up the mess. I’m waiting for it.????
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DP = Dead Product
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Seems they have to much HDDs laying around. Now they building “new” Products around them ????????????
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If Aldi did NAS
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This is very old news. Synology told us years ago this is the plan. Squeeze base and offer nothing in return and target enterprise. To still consider synology to be different is just insanity. It has been dead jim for years…
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that scream woke me up.
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I checked their website and found that the DP320 is the lowest-end model in the lineup, while the DP340 is equipped with 10GbE with M.2 SSD and 24TB of RAID5 storage. Additionally, the DP320 comes with 8TB of RAID1 storage, which is designed to protect 5TB of data.
a common sizing rule for backup storage requirements assumes 5% daily changes in source data size with a 2:1 deduplication ratio. This means that the DP320 only needs to handle 132GB of data transmission per day. With a 1GbE connection, it would take less than 20 minutes to complete the daily backup job.
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Nail in the coffin for me as a home consumer. Shopping to upgrade my 6 yr old QNAP NAS and Synology is off the list. It was already looking like they were stepping back from the home consumer market and this confirms it. It most definitely will take resources away from DSM dev.
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So basically a disposable NAS? You get what you get.. no expanding or upgrading. Talk about catering to the lowest common denominator.
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Look I appreciate your coverage but your mic quality has to improve this is unwatchable. Please reconsider whatever you’re using even if it’s just recording to your phone on the side and syncing it up in post
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I think Synology are losing the plot – why would you launch a business backup device in 2025 with unexapandable memory and a pathetic 1Gbe? Surely 10Gbe should be a given now? Seems an epic fail to me.
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By today’s NAS standards, this thing is ALREADY e-waste… WTF Synology!?
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Synology is losing it’s marbles. Shrinkflation or absolutely not listening to the end-user
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I don’t care about Synology anymore after seeing Minisforum 5bay NAS.
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Why TrueNas hasn’t found an alternative for ABB, yet? I mean…do you know about Urbackup?
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Did Jaguar’s marketing team get hired by Synology?
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Sh_t overpriced product with 1GB NIC. No more Synology, farewell… power hungry CPU, vendor lock for drives…
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Synology realized they have a bunch of unsold NAS units from 2015 in stock and decided to give them a new (after) life by tricking users it is something new.
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just bought a 10gbe qnap with 9 drive bays for 400, used. It has just 2 cores but its intel and not some stupid castrated cpu so its good enough for me. Also I have a Xpenology DIY 9 drive bay with 16 threads, 10gbe nic and 32gb ddr4 ram. Why in the world would I ever give Synology any of my money?
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Yep, Synology is going the wrong way last couple of years. My current 918+ will be my last Synology NAS ????
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Syno marketing team should be fired. Same as Ubisoft – they do not understand their CORE customer base. On the other side – imagine new HEXOS from Linus-supported-team with almost ZERO functions /not counting TrueNAS they are based on/ and they are able to sell that crap for 299,-USD without Hardware box…. And 20.000+ of us old-fart-geeks bought Early access just because there is BIG HOLE to fill on SOHO – sell us DSM and we can install it on any HW/PC. Imagine DSM for 199,-USD on i7/ryzen…. back to ARC loader simple hacked Synology….
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When you didn’t think Synology could do no worse, they throw this out. I just don’t understand it. It’s clearly not for me, but I don’t get who it’s for.
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Synology need to move away from that power connector. You look at the machine and they fall out the back
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The limitation on drive usability makes this a deal breaker. How long will they make those drives? How much are they going to be given their proprietary nature? Much like the raspberry pi during the supply shortage, people will start snagging up these drives in quantity and jack the price up. That is a serious red flag for me anyway. There are a lot of NAS options that do not possess the headaches you are describing. Some DIY setups with a great deal more functionality too.
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It’s over with Synology – UGREEN please take over
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DP series? Is synology sending us a message?
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Unifi likes that:)
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I’m not interested in Synology at all at this point.
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I’m new to using a NAS device and I took advantage of holiday sale pricing and went with the Ugreen 4800+ over the Synology system. I set the system up without any issues and it just seemed like a better choice over the Synology hardware.
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Anyone got any good recommendations for data recovery / repair software to use on a Synology DSM7.1 created hard drive, which is not part of a RAID and is a one drive storage pool that has crashed and was working perfectly fine recently, and is reported as being healthy but shares and files can no longer be used, viewed or accessed. I have an external backup of this drive elsewhere but that is missing the last three months of files added or edited since. It’s noticeable that I had nine years of no problems at all, and when I upgraded the firmware from 5.2 to 7.1, after a few months I began to get frequent storage pool crashes, usually when trying to access one file or streaming certain video types like .ts formats.
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2:33 Huge thanks to Robbie for providing us the time to rant about 1GbE in 2025 with close to zero expandability.
LMAO 1GbE ethernet in 2025 for a backup appliance that is meant to be scaled and clustered for multiple clients. Big corporate re-educating people how to do bandwidth time-sharing in 2025.
They can yap about how good the data reduction works but cannot change the fact they’re serious petty about product segmentation.
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I had multiple Synology devices in the last 15 years, but nowadays I can’t justify the cost. The software is still good, but the hardware is ancient, SSD storage support is locked to their own insanely expensive devices etc. Also it seems they don’t listen to their customers, as there are no sign of new hardware for DS series. I need to buy ugreen or something else next time.
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Synology is the best example why there is no point loving and trusting a brand, because eventually they will just screw you. Well, screw them! I’ll gladly watch them become a worthless footnote in the history of NAS companies at some point, while enjoying my DIY (and OSS) NAS with a reasonably modern hardware that just fucking works…
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Like a Cops Says , Nothing to See here Just move along , Wish Synology comes out with some Better Hardware, How will this age for the Next 5 years. Hardware old now , Software Very Good. If Others come up with a ABB that is equal to Synology then game over.
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CES 2025 , Annoucement Below , The DS224+ and DS423+ were launched in 2023
Synology at the 2025 International CES showcased updates to its popular consumer network storage products, beginning with one for its popular BeeStorage line of flash-based personal cloud devices. The new BeeStation Plus comes with 8 TB of flash-based storage—double that of the original BeeStation from 2023—and updated system hardware that includes an Intel Celeron J4125 processor with 4 GB of DDR4 memory, USB 3.2 Gen 2 type-A and type-C ports; and an updated software frontend, including the BeeProtect software that makes snapshots and other forms of backups of your machine. The device continues to lack Wi-Fi, and relies on wired Ethernet to connect to the network.
Next up, the company showed off a couple of its entry-level desktop NAS solutions under the DiskStation brand, the DS224+ (2-bay), and the DS423+ (4-bay). Both feature SATA 6 Gbps drive bays, and you can expand storage using any USB mass-storage device that plugs into its 5 Gbps USB 3.2 port. The DS224+ comes with two 1 GbE interfaces. Under the hood are a Celeron J4125 processor backed by 6 GB of DDR4 memory. The DS423+ can hold up to 72 TB of storage, and besides the four SATA 6 Gbps bays, has two M.2-2280 slots with Gen 3 wiring. The NAS can access any of its drives at up to 226 MB/s reads, with up to 224 MB/s writes. Networking interfaces include a pair of 1 GbE. Lastly, the company showcased a series of “direct-to-cloud” WLAN and PoE surveillance cameras under the C2 Camera series
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Unprecedented, unbelievable, they deserve an award for not listening to their customers! Kodak 2025 history repeats itself again exactly like Nokia, Philips, etc, etc. We call this megalomania. The end of a decade and are already being overtaken by others who apparently do understand. A golden logo is not enough, at some point you are backward territory.
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look at Synology share price its gone from a steady 13 – 16 dollars. over the last 3 years its drop to 1.40 dollars. it’s because people are sick of terrible hardware. they only put up with that because the software was so good now every one’s software is getting up to that level and the price points for hardware you can buy of the shelf at a fraction of the cost. . the final nail in the coffin was the lost of video station for me . and about 20 million other people who use it daily. Qnap might not be as polished yet but by the time i get my new nas they will be. i would say 1 year or so and QNAP will have overtaken them . its funny because i could fix this company inside of 1 year. the faults are so plain to see. and easy to fixed
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I don’t think you answered the one question I had, which is “What is the price comparison between this and a DSM model with equivalent hardware?”
I know that when I purchased my first NAS all I wanted was backup, and if it had been less expensive I would definitely have gone with a backup focused NAS vs. a full-featured NAS as that was what I wanted but without paying any more than I had to.
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Also a long time Synology user here and sad to say I will be replacing my DS418 play this year and it will NOT be with a Synology device – RIP Synology.
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I’m still running an 815 which hasn’t missed a beat. I change the drives every five years which means its coming up for a hard drive change in the not too distant future. When the time comes to replace it as it surely must, its going to be a pita if I can’t just plug the old drives into a new device. At that point there’s no real need to buy another Synology, even though I’ve got the Synology backup apps and things installed. Apple would never let anyone go so easily.
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At this point I’m disappointed there is no market for a souped up 3rd-party replacement motherboard for old synology units.
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Synology engineers don’t work since 10 y ago
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A few minutes into this video, I genuinely checked the date on it to make sure I’d not been duped again by YouTube’s habit of randomly dropping ten year old videos into my feed!
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WTF if Synology wants to compete with the Terrastor or oostars for entry level budget NAS them great but why knee cap themselves by making the system less compatible, connective, upgradeable?
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This device is not my cup of tea… TrueNAS systems are getting more and more interesting .
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What a disgrace, have they not learned what users want? No DSM, no innovation, no 10Gb network, no NVME caching… NO THANKS!
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AMD R1600 has “Dual 10G Gigabit Ethernet”, but they made 1gbe. )
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I think Synology understand they simly can’t compete with all the new NAS manufacturers like Ugreen ect. So are now scrambling around trying to find a new idea/market to keep them in business.
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temu nas
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I have purchased multiple synology nas units for the sole purpose of using them as active backup appliances. I assume that’s what they are going for here, it’s for business users who just want a box that does backups and nothing more.
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Synology is very blunt in openly milking its customers. They make affordable models worse on purpose stripping them off of nice things (like m.2, 10 GBE, in-built GPU) which would cost them pennies to add… Removing m.2 does actually cost them money. So they spend money to make their products worse. Who does that?
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Gosh, Synology goes from bad to worst, who the hell wants to be lock up with a box like this.
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Please upgrade to 1440p.
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Can’t see the point of this nerfed device. It provides less flexibility and locks users even tighter into Synology hardware. One 1 GbE port for management … fine. But another 1 GbE for backups? Ludicrous! Restricting backup speeds to a theoretical maximum of 125Mb/sec on configurations with multiple Terabyte storage options (options? Nope, you’re locked into not only using Synology HDD’s but fully populating the new units with them).
No USB support for external backups either. More and more alternatives for backing up have been removed and more and more eco system lock-ins are being rolled out.
Why would anyone in the market for a NAS even consider this over the 723+? You’re paying more for less.
I see this overall strategy as concerning from Synology. Slowly, they are removing options and choices from their solutions.
When it comes time to replace my pair of DSM based disk stations, I will have to seriously consider my vendor choice.
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Gigabit Ethernet – WOW! What speed!
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Why can’t Synology stick to any kind of sensible naming scheme? Shouldn’t this be called something like “DP225”?
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everything synology is doing these days is saying “fuck off you worthless losers, we don’t want your business” to anyone that aren’t a corporate customers
i’m so glad I didn’t go with their “products”… I nearly did…phew….go DIY NAS!
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I had a Synology (that crashed on me…. But what really push me away from this brand is when they decided we had to use HDD from the:only….
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1 gbe in 2025… that is crazy… especially after the entire community has been begging for 2.5 and 10gbe…
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It looks like Synology decided, Broadcom’s approach to VMWare was a great idea, and they want all their customers to run away in droves also.
I sure hope they don’t continue with what appears to be silly decisions. I’m gonna hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.
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You’re laughing. That is not on mate, that is not on at all.
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still 1gb lan ????
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Horrible choice for synology, first is this, next is removing all the features in DSM, bad news for users and likely gonna make synology fail in the end
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For those who already own a Synology NAS, why would we want this ? And, for those who need a really sophisticated backup solution, they are more likely to look for a more sophisticated solution than this. As my dear old Dad use to tell me, “why in the world would you pick your nose when you have a perfectly good hankie in your pocket ?”
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Why is it worth talking about with 1Gbit?
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There is a tagline: “NAS is not a backup.” That is not entirely true. NAS is a wonderful short-term (or intermediate) backup. I use a cheaper simple 2-bay QNAP just for that purpose. The price must be right though. It is a niche product because oftentimes a portable drive or DAS can fulfill that role, That is an alternative I use: plugin portable drive into my laptop and it triggers an incremental backup to that drive. We will see if there is a big enough market for DP320.
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Still no new 8 bay?
If I don’t hear anything within the next 2 months I’ll be ditching their brand entirely.
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Feels like they’re really missing a proper strategic direction – they seem to want to move towards the enterprise space and yet backtrack with these seemingly pointless product lines at the same time.
Unless I’ve completely missed it, neither ABB nor AP seems to have proper RBAC.
Sure, you can configure operator rights but it seemingly applies wholesale to operations rather than task based; e.g. You can’t restrict a specific user (group) to only be able to perform certain tasks (add/ delete backups or recovery) on specific machine(s) or groups of machines.
In a home, this might be User1 can only run tasks specific to their own machines being backup without rights to other users’ backups.
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No word on pricing yet?
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Long time Synology user. I gave up on them last year. Over priced under performing hardware and not consumer friendly practices made the decision easy for me. Never again will I ever promote or consider synology.
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DS213 upgraded after 5 years with WD Reds and Noctura fan. One of the WD Reds started to fail, so I bought a DS1522 with 2 Synology drives. When the WD Red completely failed, I replaced it with a another Synology drive, which can be used to expand the DS1522 in the future. Both NAS are now running wonderfully. One of the nice features is I get an email any time my internet goes offline and as soon as it is restored.
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i see bankruptcy in Synology future.
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DOA.
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1GB Ethernet I know you said it , Never Could I buy this in this form. Good luck Synology ,
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I hope you were able to speak to someone at CES Synology booth to understand what’s going on with them. I don’t get who this is for.
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It is unable to be a nas for me from the start because of gig ethernet. It cant do the first thing i want from it so why should i bother with its shiny gadgets?
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Come on. They could have at least put 2.5 on there.
Not angry, just disappointed lol
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Sure seems like they’ve gotten out of the consumer/prosumer space entirely. Wish they’d at least announce it
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10Y+ synology user here. I wanted to upgrade my two synology units but the only decent Synology was the DS923+. However for less than its price I found the Ugreen dxp4800 plus which sports better hardware. I am amazed at the quality, build, afterglow to detail and speed. I will purchase a second unit to keep an offsite replication (but will go with the cheaper 4800 non plus as it is only used for syncing). I believe that Synology surely lost more users that were on the same cross road I was
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Never though I’d consider DP a bad thing, but here we are.
This is ewaste
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Still NO significant announcements….omg it was bad enough getting no news all of 2024 but they have NOTHING substantial to show at CES 2025? OMG what is happening to this company….
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I’m torn between getting a synology or ugreen
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It looks like a designed for corporations that want a backup only device for small retail locations.
If it had a firewall, it might be a literal response to people who want a simple device like Apple Airport.
Doesn’t make sense for single location small business.
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I don’t understand this line of devices. Technically APM can be installed on any newer DSM device. Why create a new type of device for this? If they want to earn money, they can sell license for APM separately.
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More underpowered and overpriced Synology hardware. Yawn. People have moved on past Synology at this point with their stinginess in giving actual decent hardware for the price.
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Synology will always be shit until they change their poor business practices
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I’m sure somebody at Synology knows what they’re doing, good for them! Because I sure as hell don’t get it!
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OMG this whole product line is an absolute piece of shit ….. WTF are they thinking?
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Will never buy Synology.
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Miss the workshop studio
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Are you in Vegas at CES?
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A company that requires some of their NAS products to use their own drives, for any reason, does not deserve anyone’s money.
Boycott Synology.
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First
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Ho mostrato questo video alla mia amica e ora ridiamo insieme, dimenticando tutti i problemi????
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Waiting for Synology releases are like waiting for your date to get ready for the dance. Her hardware is plain and her upkeep is spendy, but you put up with it because her family’s rich.
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They’re not listed for CES, but apparently are at Pepcom
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Do you know what would be nice. A Synology NAS with 2.5Gb ethernet a Intel CPU with integrated graphics (Arc based) full support for AV1 video format / full support for Opus audio format and
full support for JXL (JPEG XL) for Photos all this is Open-source so non of that extra cost you get
with licensing.
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I wonder if you have any thoughts on possible changes to their 2025 lineup now that Unifi has released their $499 rack mounted 7 bay NAS with built in 10GbE?
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Still rock’n my DS918+ with 32GB ram
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I do not want a 2 bay. I do want it to include an M2 for SSD caching without me having to configure anything. I do not mind that it is a closed system, but I would thank a larger HDD. The lack of redundancy would not be a problem if they sold these in a bundle, so you could buy a couple of units (one for the office, and the other for home) so you can sync them up and use one as a backup. I do not want to hook this up to the TV nor do I want to run Plex, all I want is to store pictures and files from my computers and smartphones.
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here, and also min 2.5 gbit ethernet
How does Synology GridStation compare to DataDirect Networks GridScaler?
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Heard the same story last year (2023)… Got a “temporary” NAS because I needed more space… I can likely get by for another year… but hearing the same story this year – in addition to petty HDD model warnings is making me heavily reconsider.
Perhaps my needs and Synologys’ direction are diverging.
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MORE SEAGULLS
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Looked at this unit a while back from my DS920+ but people said 2 users on PLEX and it will struggle due to the CPU doing all the work. But with the latest DSM update they are pushing the processing to the external devices does that mean the CPU will be under less load with PLEX? Most of the PLEX use is on the home network but my mum watches some of the video content remotely and often at the same time as we watch content.
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BS is right.
I’m cynically assuming the 1825+ will be bad at this point. Sigh!
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I am in the market for an 8-bay nas since I am upgrading the hard disks on my ds1621xs+. I was going to get the ds1821+ until I saw this video. 4 months later and still no news from Synology. ????
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Unfortunately, the moderator talks too much. I would have expected a bit more information from the guest.
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Does this work over the internet?
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Synology will dump 4 years old technologies and release them with horrendous price like apple as it always do.
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Funny how the device looks like my WD My Cloud Mirror.
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1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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Synology has become apple. Chargeb obsene money for weaker inflexible hardware.
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For the Synology HDD HAT33xx price Compares to WD or Sesgate – price is almost the same which ks good but only with 3 year warranty. You can get 5 year warranty models from WD/Seagaet with the same price as HAT33xx :/ Thats so sad.
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i don’t know why they don’t make a beestation that supports multi-bay nvme raid….then i would be a buyer…
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i got the synology ds224+ which was what i needed this spring and then they ruin it by removing transcoding, video station etc, does this mean they regret removing multimedia options and that i can keep it, or should i get rid of it (sell it second hand) and buy a new qnap instead? i spent time setting it up the synology just how i want it etc, i have disabled updates for now. Im never again going to buy synology after this and each time NAS comes up and someone asks for my advice, im telling them what a crappy company synology is and encourage them to get qnap or asustor. Qnap has way better hardware and their software are WAY better as it stand now regarding photos video etc anyway which is what home users buy NAS for, so synology has really ruined it for themselves. I might save up and get a TS-264 next year
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2:04 thanks for letting me scream in the comment section ????
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I have a 723+ and i noticed that the new update states that it will no longer support h.264 and 265 streams to prevent resource exhaustion. Would this mean the plex videos will now use client-side transcoding?
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I was thinking I already owned a bee station because they are very stingy with their hardware and lack of new A-class features.
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They should be careful. If they take away too much from the home users, someone else will absolutely step in and fill the gap.
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Hey! Studio upgrade looks good mate! Much easier on the eyes.
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Hello to you too Robbie????
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Closed system , even if Synology HDs are at comparable prices today, is an absolute no no.
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It would be a shame to replace the DS224+ given that there’s a big difference between DSM and BSM namely the ability to install a lot of apps.
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I would be happy if they had a Bee Station as the base CPU and a networked Core Station with an NVMe or SSD unit that connects the network and a 4 or more volume disk unit via a Thunderbolt connection. This can be expanded up to 16 disks. And of course it would be good if the Bee station has a 10 Gbit network connection.
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Thanks for the update.. let’s see what the next step will be! They have competition now with UGREEN
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Another great vid mate????it seems the way things are going it makes you want to build your own more and more just for the value of what budget cpu you can put in your self lol
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Slightly better than the Apollo Lake in a Zimaboard.
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Not worth it if there is same performance issue
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Synology makes me laugh. 1999 and 2019 called and their hardware back… The 920 opps, the 423 has some competition now. ????
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2.5Gbe ????
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They bought a million processors and have no idea what to do with them, so to sell them they made an economical version of PRO hardware. My life shows that taking the easy way is not a good idea for the future.
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I wish they start using the new Intel Lunarlake CPUs. Very fast and low power. I’d pay for it to upgrade my DS1817+
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Any news from the seagulls ?
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Does anyone know when Synology will announce there next updated NAS’s??
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This is potentially a gold mine product line for synology and just maybe a gateway for a few home users into more higher end synology stuff. The market for those seeking to avoid cloud based storage from the big boys is already large and potentially vast. Avoiding subscription fees and having more confidence your data is yours and yours alone temps many.
Both Synology and UniFi know the home user market is really big. Getting into that without dropping the ball on their existing strengths requires time and energy.
It’s market potentially hundreds of times bigger than the prosumer one and set to expand.
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Happy to see Synology expanding the BeeStation line for the basic home users to have more options available as simple alternatives to paying $120+ per year for cloud storage. I think it’s a huge market and they know it!
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Maybe I‘m one of the few who sees this as good news. With a system like this I can convince some people to get a Nas and they will be able to administrate it themselves. If backup works properly on BSM this would make my life (tech support for friends and family) so much easier.
I run a 224+ and I‘m happy with it but actually I had to work myself into it, I just wanted a good automatic backup solution for myself and some of the other stuff you can do with it. I was about to buy a WD MyBook but read some tests, so I ended up buying a Synology and working myself into the system. If the machine you talk about had been on the market a year ago, I might have bought it and probably be happy with it. I like the idea of being able to run docker apps on my 224+, but in reality I just don’t find the time to do it and actually I don’t really see a use case for me.
There is definitely a market for this. People who want something like an Apple time machine for their Windows PC + some things like photo backup of their mobiles and maybe an easy music and video player for home use. But the options on the market really weren’t that good before the Bee Station.
I don’t think this will kill devices like 224+ etc. maybe the j series if it still exists but the target audiences are just different. The DSM machines are either for professionals or for enthusiasts, the bee station series is for neither of them. It’s for home users looking for an easy backup of PC, laptop and their mobile devices that you can set up without reading the manual or watching channels like this.
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Me personally, I do like the idea of a 2bay that is reliable and set and forget
But it needs to be a system that you can swap drives
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Synology is not consumer friendly. Get out now and stop wasting your money.
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2:07 what he said
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Errr those celerons, aint they the ones that you know fail on reboot?? JSeries?
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Strange. I commented my last post, and it is not here. I am sorry about giving wrong information. Availability and price 245 euro included TAX is for similar device Synology BST150-4T
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I think you hit the nail on the head. They will expand to four bay and separate prosumer from business. To the point where a prosumer will be unable to buy a business type of product.
What is scary about this to me is the possibility of changing privacy policies and making plug and play products with few setting choices.
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I’m sorry, did you say that DiskStation Manager on Bee Station was called BDSM?
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Thanks. Name is derived from Dale’s elastic superhero alter ego in the German version of the Chip ‘n’ Dale animated TV series
I even managed to download the .pat file, but deleted it later before realizing it would have been helpful to peek inside for more info.
My hunch is also a two-bay, but my Speculate-O-Meter™ leans more towards an Intel Celeron J4025 (DS220+), otherwise the differentiation to a DS224+ might be too marginal.
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Junk company falsely marking drives as unreliable just to upsell their own white labeled drives. No thanks.
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Gee, how many J4125 did they buy?
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The writing is on the wall for Synology. I don’t think they’ll manage to remain successful in the prosumer segment, insisting on selling aged hardware in new chasis. I’m torn between Ugreen 4800 plus and the F4-424 Max. I guess whichever makes it sooner to my country.
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Is there a trends that tech brand like to price hike and overcharge so it wont broke our bank ?
If we overcharge enough we can prevent breaking people’s bank because they stop buying it ????
Lets protect our customers
Beelink product line with basic features set might working fine for grabbing share from different market.
Synology maybe making more bays beelink products and call it a hive ?
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huh…/me puts away wallet
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I just checked local prices. 245euro
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Nas companies continue to perplex me. One would expect a DS with Intel, like a 4/6/8 bay. People who use this bee-cr*p generally don’t care what’s inside; who’s their primary target audience, like people in retirement homes who want to keep pics of their loved ones and nothing much more than that?
Then again these cr*p cpus fit these cr*p products perfectly.
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Syn should make a Terramaster F8 competitor.
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OT : Robbie, have you seen the release notes for the recent DSM update ? Any thoughts on the implications of this ? Pushining multimedia users to the BeeStation ? : ”
” Starting from this version, the processing of media files using HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs will be transitioned from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency. These codecs are widespread on end devices such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs. If the end device does not support the required codecs, the use of media files may be limited. Refer to this article for workarounds. In addition, please note the following exceptions:
Surveillance Station on DSM will continue to support server-side processing of AVC (H.264) streams, see the release notes.
Deep Video Analytics (DVA) series models and VisualStation clients will retain support for AVC (H.264) and HEVC (H.265) codecs.
To ensure package compatibility, Advanced Media Extensions (AME), File Station, Media Server, Surveillance Station, Synology Drive, Universal Search, Synology Photos and Snapshot Replication will automatically update to the latest version.
Video Station is not available on DSM 7.2.2. ”
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Hi guys, is now a good time to go for the DS1522+ or should I wait a little longer. I already have the OWC Thunderbay 4 DAS but wanted to consider a proper NAS (rather than turning my OWC into a NAS using TrueNAS and second PC).
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Wainting for the RS1225+ ????
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still waiting for the ds1825+
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Will they launch another flashstation , the 6400 is getting ‘old’
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Just give the user the option to use the AI. They shouldn’t force customers to use it. I know they want to join the bandwagon and hype but many people don’t care.
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PAS series… I looked up everywhere no mentions anywhere… you managed to be the only one to find this out…! nice!
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Where is it?
Will it come as RS1225+?
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Without DSVideo…. It’s without me…. How is the next fonctonnalities removed of Synology?
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Please, sell a perpetual license or a DSM subscription and we as customers will take care of installing decent hardware.
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Just wow, Eddie (on the right) is completely out of touch… he clearly lacks knowledge in the area of hardware and LLMs. And Eddie’s comments about training on a LLM on the CPU… just wow, he clearly doesn’t know how these things work – you’d be training all year if that was the case. And then Robbie just talks to much… adds so much fluff to sentences and doesn’t get to the point.
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Having gone to Qnap a few years ago, I absolutely miss Synology DSM.
If, as you say, Synology is having financial troubles, then I think they’ll be looking for ways to save money. Not just licensing, but video station can’t be cheap to maintain.
Rehashing old hardware is another way of saving money while keeping the marketing machine moving. An 18 month old product can’t sell at the same price as a new one.
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Minute 14:15 his answer shows like he lives in anoter reality.
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First dibs on £661 retail for the DS925+ appearing within the next 10 days
based on weird ebuyer basket shenanigans 
We ALREADY pay a TON for these devices where hardware is outdated by 5-6 years. The price is at least 2-3x of the actual hardware.
Synology should be able to pay for 20c/year license to keep the device for 10 years(natural life of electronics).
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My raspberry pi nas is starting to look very attractive.
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Update the chassis
A different color at a bare minimum
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Can we please call them “Twelve Twenty-four”? It’s easier to understand the two parts of the name this way (bays, year).
I feel that “One Two Two Four” is less than ideal.
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Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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Heard rumours of DS Video being discontinued. Anyone else hear the same?
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And just like that, they dropped video station. And indeed, I am not amused at all.
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Synology has left home users
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People be honest with your self the main reason why we are buying Synology is not hardware but software.
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QNAP as they seriously addressed complaints and weaknesses in the last 3 years they turned into a great solution. Synology did the exact opposite of what people complained about and were issues to be addressed. I will never purchase Synology because of this. QNAP is really good now with the os, software and security, a great smb and home solution, with hero and zfs it goes up stream real nice as well. Lastly the likelihood of Synology getting any real market share in enterprise will take years to get any possible return of any, that market has good solutions with relationships that span a decade. Synology had a good relationship they destroyed to get one they won’t.
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My crystal ball says that prices will be HUGELY dissapointing…..
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Rs 8bay. Come ooon Synology ????????
And yes half size ????
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I’m an avid user and solutions reseller of Synology. Synology is on a very slippery slope, subscriptions, locking people into ridiculous over priced hard drives (you can’t get) and selling near 10 year old processors in their product lines.
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Synology needs new intel or amd with integrated graphics! It’s a joke to see a nas without integrated graphics
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Deprecated, not depreciated! Sorry to be a correction dude, but we’re all entitled to one thing that irritates the bejaysus out of you.
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SYNOLOGY LISTEN, I mean i like DSM because its reliable and easy to use, yet i can run custom apps. Why is synology sleeping on Intel N100 and N305 …SERIOUSLLY. 500€ NAS like DS425+ cant have J4125 is old pedestrian it can run 1 VM. How entropenour could run company on slow NAS?
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My moments where i walked on Synology was the focus on the amd processors, the requirement for their m2 for just a silly pool, and the 423 which i literally thought was a gag until i confirmed it. They haven’t updated their hardware or software in any meaningful way in a long time. And they are dumping money into a market i highly doubt they will have any real penetration… they are done, they just haven’t noticed yet. Ugreen is the hardware heavyweight and QNAP is the software and hardware vendor of choice, and they deserve it with the relentless work they have done in the last 3 years…
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Im quite disapointed with synology as im a customer since they started. Unfortunately they got greedy and the units are always under spec,expensive, and to use premium features you were forced to use their hardware for premium features (NVME volumes) that costs a fortune. Then you have subscriptions and now more paid features to be available as new models come out. Dont give me the same excuse over and over stating this is enterprise. Synology is not enterprise and will never be if you compare it with other brands. For me im done with them. I had 6 units several models and got rid of all just because of this. they wont get any more money from me. There are far better options available out there and the cheaper and with better performance. currently i use DYI nas and QNAP.
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Love your videos! I have a hot spare in my Synology 1522 and need to increase the volume. How do I add the hot spare to the existing volume?
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I really wanted to try Synology for a long time because of photo and security camera video storage features, but if subs extend from SMB to home users, I’ll probably stick with TrueNAS. It mostly does all that I need. Terrific chat guys ????
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UGREEN w/ proxmox = full flexibility why wait for trad suppliers to upgrade their hardware with decent prices?
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I used a lot VideoStation before, but now with h265 and more state of the art codecs for Audio and video, video station isn’t able of decode the files, the lack of a gpu turns everything even more down.
I really like Synology ecosystem but their hardware is more and more focused on enterprise and less and less about prosumer/media.
The prosumer ones are lacking so much with weak cpus, no gpus, only with Gbe that it becomes harder and harder to think about Synology.
I like their suite of apps I love the OS but without eggs we cannot do an omelette.
I cannot justify a 6bay or 8bay deskop or rack with a embedded amd cpu to cost 1k 1.5k is prohibitive, for this prices I except and ryzen 3 at least with a GPU.
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As a simple user that wants reliable access and apps (NoteStation, PhotoStation, etc.) along with practicality (lower size and noise, essentially NVME support), Synology seems to be moving away from users like me. I’m hanging on for something, but it may be time to jump ship soon.
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QNAP TS-464-8G (4-bay) NAS with DSM including SHR file system would be the perfect solution.
This model beats DS923+ or DS423+ in all aspects (better CPU, 8GB RAM, 2.5gb network, NVME supports most of the brands either as cache or pool)
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Where can we get one of those “mo’ data, mo’ problems” sweatshirts? ????
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923+ needs to have a modern Intel CPU, and 2.5 lan minimum. If not I am going though the pain and switching to another brand. A lot of people use these devices for multimedia servers and Ryzen is a horrible choice for that. They stand no chance in the Enterprise market. They’re destroying the existing user base to chase clients they will never land.
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The whole point of people buying a NAS is to avoid the ongoing fees of the backup services currently. I for one will ditch my NAS if Synology dare to charge me a subscription for use of DSM or whatever. I will just revert back to USB External drives.
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Synology have reached the point where even DSM cannot make up for their Hardware fails … their Enterprise push is going to fail miserably (they have zero engagement with enterprise clients and that takes many years to build) …. essentially they are OVER ….only a Fanboi would buy Synology if they looked at the breadth of the market …. Synology are at this point just a cult rather then a competitive NAS solution.
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I will be so disappointed if they have the same hardware in the 1825+ model. I have been postponing this purchase for the 1821+ for a couple of years or so now, in the hopes that they will be able to have an updated chip, ports, etc. If there’s no major update to the series, it’ll be a bit useless to purchase, esp once the price drops again for the 1821+. I really hope they offer something much better, there’s been plenty of time for them to p.ay around and experiment with the new chips.
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As much as I really like the Synology interface, and also like the simplicity of their SHR and general apps, they really are pushing me in the direction of the Ugreen DXP6800 Pro (warts and all).
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Been thinking about buying a DS923+ as an online backup unit for my DS1621+ recently, maybe I might wait to see what’s coming out before I pull the trigger. 2.5Gb would be a plus although may end up adding 10Gb as I doubt it will come as standard. Drive compatibility is still a bit annoying as would prefer to run all Red Pro drives so if I ever wanted to repurpose drives out my backup unit, into my main unit, they’d be up to similar speeds/transfer rates.
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Plex is bad, beter is Jellyfin. I wish a Option for pay 5-10$/y for Support all Audio and Video format (dolby true, dts, …)
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Eddie’s face looks as dissapointmess of what Synology is going to deliver. And .. I am not surprised. Time to switch to QNAP, Eddie !!!!
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Synology cameras are vaporware at this point. TC500/BC500 are never in stock, and retailers like B&H Photo no longer sell them due to that reason. You saw the same thing with the CC400W… They showed off that camera in November 2023, you reviewed it April 2024, but still nothing.
Btw, Rob can you do a detailed comparison between Unifi Protect and Surveillance Station? There are no recent videos available comparing them.
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QuTS 5.2 just released, speaking of software…
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What I’m wondering is if this means the BC500 is discontinued, and the CS500B will also allow local storage, the BC500 will be back, or they are abandoning local storage cameras and only going with cloud storage. I had one of my BC500’s ripped off the house by some roofers, and it was damaged. I replaced it with an Axis camera since the BC500 is sold out. It is a superior camera in most respects, but it was also a lot more expensive. I”m going to move to a multi-acreage property next year, and I wanted a fleet of BC500’s for several areas due to the cost and features. It was going to allow me to only buy more expensive Axis cameras for areas that needed it. I guess I need to start looking for cheaper NDAA cameras in case, but I really liked the AI integration of the BC500 with Surveillance Station. The Axis camera integrates with Surveillance station to a degree, but I still use the on camera alerts for some situations.
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btw … Im late, but thanks for the new mic for Eddie some time ago.
I dont need to instantly turn the video off anymore, and run away screaming mercilessly into the void.
That said – Here’s a NAS question – and no, I dont expect an answer here at all,
this is more about a potential future video. Am I an ‘average’ user?
I am very successfully and enjoyably still running a DS918+ as a file server for us all at home here, with RAM and M.2 Cache bays stocked full, and running 4 various sized Seagate drives running SHR. And … No, I dont run plex or any heavy multimedia on this system, and although 2.5G LAN would be nice and its supported by my computer, I certainly dont ‘need’ anything faster than that. 10G is irrelevant.
I also run a one bay local backup USB drive that once a week auto runs USB Backup for each user, and once a month it auto backs up mission critical folders to dropbox.
All that known – Do I need to spend $800+ Canadian to trade up to a 2025 version of this NAS (DS925+), just to satisfy the ‘new toy’ algorithm?
Is there any point? Is the 2.5G LAN worth the cost? I dont really need the USB-C or the 10G upgradability.
And … if it ever exists … should I move from a single local backup drive, to these new DP320 / DP420 backup solutions when and if these little desktop versions come out? Will their Active Backup OS be compatible with this use case? Will this be safer with a setup like this? Or should I move to a 2 Bay Synology drive and run Synology Active Backup or Drive Share Sync?
Maybe its time for a video for those of us who bought in almost 7 years ago, and wondering if they should upgrade … and how.
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Very dissapointing news. Im glad I got a nvidia card working in my ds1621xs+ and dont really need to upgrade. But I still wish they would release a much upgraded successor, preferably with a quiksync enabeled gpu.
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No wonder why brits are always going on holiday. There’s no sun.
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I’m an average NAS consumer currently owning 2-bay Synology NAS which I bough several years ago: it was affordable and available -which was the only reason why I decided for Synology. For past several months I’m looking after “home” 4-bay NAS and all I can say is: Synology is dead, non existent for me.
I don’t care if and how successful Synology is in enterprise market, but Synology’s consumer offers are.. embarrassing -and that’s for many years now.
All PC mainboards made in last 3+ years have 2.5G port built-in, meanwhile we can buy 2.5G switches for 60€, SATA (and even M.2) SSD’s have become an option price wise… and Synology is still “defending” that 1G is good enough for us? Let’s face it: Synology is abandoning consumer segment or just doesn’t care. And I don’t care about Synology either.
The only argument that speaks for Synology is “friendly” OS compared to competition -where all of them offer MUCH better hardware. Reviewers many time present competition OS-es as “ok, is not that bad”, which somehow implies as “barely usable” and so many are almost afraid to take the risk by switching the brand.
At this point I wish to thank the author of this video for his great job in all past years!
Bogdan
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Synology is utter garbage. I was a synology enthusiast for almost 20 years but their prices and hardware is crap. Moved my surveillance to frigate and my NAS to truenas and run docked in portainer. Much better. The fact they don’t refresh a crappy cpu after 4 years shows exactly what kind of crap synology is
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Most likely there won’t be a 925+ and 725+, but a 926+, 726+ and 426+ (at least, that is to be expected based on the timelines of the last two iterations). From those the only NAS to look forward to surprisingly enough is the 426+ as it will most likely contain a new Intel CPU (n100 or similar) well suited for Plex users.
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If Synology gets rid of Audio Station/Video Station, I’m not upgrading my NAS to a new one anymore and see no reasons to buy their products. I bought the convenience of not having to do this myself, but I can perfectly assemble a box with better hardware performance for streaming, time is money and if Syno stops offering me that, I will put my money and time elsewhere.
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Wonder if there will ever be a replacement for the DS620slim…
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I am so tired of everything turning into a subscription, that’s the whole reason why I got a NAS. If Synology moves to this model I’ll have to look for alternatives
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When I started looking into a NAS, I got the impression that Syno0logy was the devil so since then I have never considered them.
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DS925+ with Intel N100 and 2.5 Gbit-LAN. This would be a HIT.
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Want to see more offerings for multi-bay NVMe AND multi-bay SATA SSD NAS Devices with Intel CPUs that support QuickSync (iGPU transcoding).
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I had the same concert about Ai and the CPU of 1821+ but, sure if I want to have those kind of services I probably will want it to a dedicated machine more than in a NAS. Super happy to have finally had find a good deal few weeks ago of the 1821+ fully fledge.
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I want 2.5Gbit to be the baseline. Seems so basic these days. I love the UI on my DS918 (4x 10TB) but prefer the speed of my Asustor FS6706T (6x 4TB).
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I mean yeah we dont need much but 4k video streaming would be great. I have ton of 4k footage and would love to have it all in my nas easily accesible and efficient working from any device. The only reason why i am still not buying nas at all
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Hello, I still have and am running a DS119j, I got it for $75(US) and it is fine. I wish I could have added a external USB adapter ethernet adapter to make it fast but it does not work. I decided to buy a PI 5 4GB model and I am running my NAS off of that. I have the following parts:
PI 5 4GB with 64GB Grub installed on it
the system runs from a Keoxia 256GB NVME drive
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5: The HatBRICK! Commander
PINEBOARD – Raspberry Pi 5 with the HatDrive! BM1L (BOT)
uPCIty Lite for Raspberry Pi 5
2 of the longest PINEBOARD cables they make(NVME connected to PCIE2, PCIty Lite connected to port1)
LSI 6Gbps SAS HBA 9211-8I (IT mode)
4 times 2 TB SATA drives (7200 RPM server drives from ~2012/13(drives are all server class)
Drives are running in a ZFP Pool and shares in Samba
OS – latest Ubuntu server for PI5
performance is 930ish~ up and down right at a GB
I am on a unifi network in my home office. 10GB from my PC and 1GB from PINENAS & 100MB from my Synology. Both work great for my needs and I can even stream from the PINENAS with no issue.
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Make more thing verified and certificated ????
Ans time to charge 30% for 5% quicker ,newer hardware
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Unless CPU/Memory has a direct impact on file transfer performance then they are not worth fretting about apart from the CPU somehow limiting the support lifespan of the product. The only thing a NAS should be doing is serving files. All other tasks should be handled by dedicated hardware external to the NAS.
2.5 gigabit needs to be eradicated. 10 gigabit or greater is what is needed either via a built in solution or via PCIe expansion slot(s).
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RS1225+ ASAP
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Hey Synology, how about expanding support of NVME storage pools to the DS920+ .
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I sent an inquiry to them 3 weeks ago and they said no announcements.
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where muh RS1224+ at?! reeeeeeee
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Hello, loving the Hoodie! Where can I get them? Do you have a shop? I was not able to find one looking on your website. Please help. Thanks.
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I will not upgrade unless: Hardware transcoding, 2,5g NIC, no stupid alarms for not using Synology’s overpriced harddrives.
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Finally a better sound quality on your videos.
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If they come out with the same CPU with all the competition hitting the market I’ll be out for good.
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At long last . . . some good news from Synology
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Still waiting in Q3 2024…even considered settling for the RS1221+ but I can’t justify that cost for the age of the hardware.
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In other words, not much of an upgrade at all, most likely.
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Consumer Synology is like Disney Star Wars – you expect them to sink low, but they subvert your expectations, and not in a good way
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Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????
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My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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I’m still missing the successor of the RS1619xs+.
You mentioned it already two years ago in the 2023 Rumours.
As long as they do not screw the pooch and insist on Synology drives.
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Thks a lot buts where’s Eddie?
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I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:
I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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Good analysis, agree with your assumptions, only way the DS1825+ would get better spec than you speculate is if they replaced the xs+ model at the same time.
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Looks like the same CPUs without good graphics and codecs so useless for Plex
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We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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if they made it with the epyc 4004 cpus with DDR5 + 2.5 GBe everyone will jump on it
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Interesting in comparison 1823xs vs 1825…
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The timeline here in the 18xx series really highlights how Synology have little appetite or interest to play in the consumer space anymore at the larger scale.
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Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.
How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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at 4:13 Love those “Copper Netowrk Ports”
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Let me guess – 1GbE?
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Do you think they will need to have a better CPU to compete with new products like the ugreen lineup?
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If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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If this thing is still coming with 1GB ports its as dead as fried chicken IMO.
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F synology.
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If there’s no new CPU, I won’t be upgrading. To be fair, if they don’t put a GPU in it, I probably won’t be upgrading anyway.
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Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.
Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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I just want a low power cpu that doesn’t use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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Proprietary drives again?
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Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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I hope Synology can add switch authentication, which is safer. It would be perfect if the switch other than Synology’s pop-up warning
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The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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We need an Intel CPU with Quick Sync for hardware transcoding of 1080p and 4K content on Plex, etc.
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If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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Don’t break my heart like that, Robbie!! I hope it has a better CPU!
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We can all have a good laugh when it turns up with gigabit Ethernet, eSATA, and 4GB of RAM. Synology doesn’t care what its customers want, at all.
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Why upgrade to 2.5? The can F their customers at least a couple of years more
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I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and it’s not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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Synology is gonna be Synology, I’d say 4* 1GbE ports with 1 proprietary 10GbE upgrade.
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I can see you’ve already made space for it given the background
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I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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Good News Synology fan!!! Syngology is no longer using 12yr old CPUs, they are modernising….
….with 10yr old CPUs
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If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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Syno User from Day One – this brand only stands out from Software side. The Hardware is soo boring. I wish they had the Hardware Mindset of QNAP.
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From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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My 1817 has 2x10GBit/s.
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If i cant put whatever harddrive i want in it without issues, synology will need to reconsider themselves in the consumer market.
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Don’t mean to change the subject. Why in the US have all the Synology cameras been out of stock for months? No one is talking about this issue.
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9:02 so they’ll stick Ryzen 1600 like on 923+/1522+ and proprietary 10Gbe mini slot like on 923+/1522+, simple as that
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Thks,
Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.
If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.
What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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I thought the DS1823xs+ was weak with the throttling NVMe. I was hoping the DS1825+ would be better. What a potential letdown.
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this sounds terrible, UGREEN is gonna wipe the floor with them if they get their software right, hardware wise theyre the better option
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If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????
I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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Does it support SHR?
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i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?
NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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Who else here is waiting for a DS925+ or DS425+, with a decent current CPU, a GPU and a >=32GB memory limit?
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At last, I will be able to replace my trusted 1812+. Hope Shr will be present.
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This video cam out JUST in time.
So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
1 × 10 gb port
Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for what’s essentially some plastic, an embedded ryzen from 6 years ago and a couple gigs of ECC sodimms feels like *such* a ripoff.
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I just came for the Seagulls… By the way thank you – Still looking to upgrade my DS918+.
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In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.
Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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If they want a real winner 1 10Gbe, 1 2.5Gbe and 1-2 1 Gbe ports.
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Can we take a moment to say how good looking your background is?
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If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).
Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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Would it be possible to stick 4 NVMe bays on the bottom of the 1625+/1825+?
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Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.
P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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new background for you?? its way better than clutter.
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8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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New look ????
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Damn it, my DS1821+ just arrived!
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I am here for the seagulls
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Love the new studio look! Thank God Synology – about time the 1821 got a refresh.
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Wonderfull, thanks a lot man !!
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Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?
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The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We’ve had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!
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Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge
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Any update with Synology AI?
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sorry, not interested
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This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.
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This was great! More please!
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I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox.
Large enterprises – will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.
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I’m pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don’t have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they’re falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products.
Secondly, I agree with Rob’s summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them.
Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.
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Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.
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Yes it is going that way.
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What you showed in your trip to cimputex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy YouTuber family man with a disk station.
When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step.
I love my disk station and Synology OS but…. Well…. The writing is on the wall.
Seeing all my favorite YouTubers on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.
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I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems ….
Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching?
Primary use, media / Plex
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Synology have already abandoned SOHO/SMB users …..The DS+ series is ancient, they are trying to force their stupid overpriced HDD’s on people and they are relying way too much on DSM to keep their customers but are not getting new customers at the same rate. And as to their foolish enterprise foray they are only a small company that has no hope competing with Dell in the enterprise storage market because they have essentially zero existing relationships with enterprise customers. This video looked to me like 4 guys fence sitting and avoiding saying the obvious because they don’t want to offend Synology …Synology is going downhill chasing a enterprise fantasy that will never happen and is already failing to keep its DSM user base updated with devices that are on a par with competitors. I suspect the winners here are going to be Qnap and Asustor ….
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Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.
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I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I’d like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It’s nice to have, but it ends there.
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They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near “enterprise”.
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That bird tho…
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Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you’ll do a regular gang conversation.
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I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved.
I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs.
I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.
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Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD for which Synology even doesn’t have any comparable product in their line.
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What do you guys think: are the 224+, 423+, 723+, 923+, 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ the last home/small business Synology NAS’es permanently?
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Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher.
If they don’t land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.
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I’m no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast’s roam, the number of “competitors” in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits.
Let’s not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology’s hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors.
DSM is great when you’re not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined.
It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won’t be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast.
If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.
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Come on, was synology ever true enterprise?
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Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don’t overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don’t have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it’s much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example… instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.
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God tier crossover
Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast’s Syno’s if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over…would we be screwed?
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All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE.
Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!
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All of my favourite guys in one place.
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20 Petabytes, sounds like an ideal solution for my Plex needs. ???? Does it come with integrated graphics, though? ????
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Good morning when would come the new 924+, is it expected in 2024 or 2025?
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We have several 12-bay racks units for O365 backups. Synology gimps themselves with “enterprise” business decisions soft-locking units to their disks which in enterprise terms is a common practise. However even filling up half a 12-bay with high capacity HDDs you hit a brick wall by not having bigger NVME drives for metadata and caching. These drives are at best prosumer quality with sub-par write endurance for the price. We had to swap the SSDs to higher capacity Samsung drives with real enterprise performance and use the db unlock script to get rid of the alarms.
The DP segment makes sense but the hardware has to catch up to be a credible option.
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qnap been the front runner for a couple years now for my nas. I don’t see that changing soon. I’m a regular consumer maybe prosumer, and I’m not synology’s target customer I don’t think.
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Looking more and more like Apple with it’s lighting cables. Why can’t I use my own hard drives Synology?
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I had problem about my synology nas
And Steve Baker
Technical Support Engineer write me about my problem that
We are sorry to hear that your DS218 has to be reset. This is likely caused by an issue in the DSM operating-system.
We understand that you are worried about losing your data. Please rest assured, your data should not be affected by the reset as the OS and data are stored in separate partitions on the drives. When re-installing the OS, the system should normally not touch the data-partitions of your drives.
I beleived and i did what he said now all my data erased omg i shocked after sir Steve Baker dissepeared i am alone there is nothing in my hands
Synology is regret bad nas choose qnap there isnt good support for problemss !!!
There is no good service and support becarefullll!!!
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Ok, time to look around for another brand.
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Xpenology users are happier as ever
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Can I have a P please Bob?
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You are back already …. Should have waited 2 mins ????
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I’m sure Synology is aware of people waiting for updates of the 15xx, 16xx and 18xx models. Why not give them any insight about their plans or even a heads up on when new models can be exepected without further details. I can only think of one reason, but I really hope I’m wrong.
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3:49: Either its a typo (which should have been fixed) or we now have “RIAD”?
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Who cares about enterprise level stuff …. they are ignoring their core products and user base at a time when competition is getting fiercer. The only they have going for themselves is DSM ….
All this for nothing because they won’t be able to effectively compete in the enterprise space because that business is all about relationships with customers and on a enterprise level …well they don’t have any.
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Can they connect to Home Assistant or Frigate? Is the protocol open? That more important information for me, do I need a Synology NAS to use them? If it does, then I’m staying with Frigate and TrueNAS
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Synology to SOHO users: “you didn’t like our underpowered overpriced hw, our vendor-lock aspirations, our substandard client software? Well f u, we don’t need you, have a nice day!”
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So… They’re targeting businesses who don’t want to pay for IT expertise, with expensive rack mount hardware.
Ok then…
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expesnive stuff not for us :=(
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Yes, need a desktop model.**
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Any legal guarantees?
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This stuff works for me to replace expensive backup solutions. DIY folk seem to miss out on getting used higher end equipment cheap
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Good thing you started working with so many other brands. The 4 comments so far pretty much sums it up how many people care about enterprise stuff on YouTube. At least another 10-15 years before enterprise decision makers are coming to YouTube for research. Mostly boomers in those positions right now and they aren’t watching YouTube to buy equipment for their large business.
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Might be an interest for some business users, but in my experiences, such customer might want more flexibility and customisation then this solution can perhaps offer.
And, again in my experiences, such customer do know their stuff, they don’t need Synology to take away or circumvent those expertises.
I do expect a few challenges; What when one of those platforms changes, major changes are made, this product likely will need an update/chance? (too)
What about malware, where the initial backup is clean and you are backing-up an infected source? Any measures taken to check upon the source not being infected?
Protection is not (only) backing-up IMHO.
I get the impression they have put on a business-sauce onto an existing solution. And which perhaps might appeal to some customers.
Making products (and services) that only serve niche customers is nowadays a risky choice. I think.
Let’s see if this still exists in 3 ~ 4 years time.
I wonder what Synology is thinking about, what their aim is.
To simplify things?
To me it looks like that Synology is aiming for enterprise (full swing), and hopefully such pants are not too big for them. (and keep the braces handy, just in case)
I look forward to more in-depth information. But with my 20+ years and PT’s of data, the amount of backups I have lost can be counted on a few fingers of a hand…
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Synology appears to be forsaking the bread and butter users, the masses that made Synology what they are. In stead, they are courting the Enterprise market now, seeking the massive profits that come with that market sector.
Synology need to be careful here. The optics of losing interest in the home/prosumer/SMB market will come back to bite them if users feel abandoned and ignored.
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Data Protection!
Muahahahahaha hahahahahahaha! We’ll see how long until that “data protection” security is broken and / or circumvented.
Just another thing to sell to businesses.
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*Update* – Since I recorded and edited this video (both times!) a little more information has arisen about ActiveProtect and the DP series (regarding ActiveBackup, Pricing, and Scope). There will be a follow-up video on this one next week and it will be a very special video! In the meantime, you can watch the full summary video on the Synology 2024 event I made yesterday here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_gtEGRDJY
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In my business we have a RS1221+ and that’s enough to handle the backups and a couple of dockers images we don’t want to deploy in our on site kubernetes cluster. I am looking at upgrading it, though, and I’m looking at the RS2821+ as a good place to go. But it’s just too old now. And it’s the same for the RS4021xs+ which would also be an option. It bugs me that they don’t have any upgrades for what used to be their core business but seem completely focused on new areas – this is generally not a good sign for a business, whether it is for them or not remains to be seen. Sure, a new RS2824+ (and all the other models that should be updated) isn’t very sexy, but it is overdue – not doing it is a sad statement in itself.
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Can you please clean your phone/camera lenses before filming. Every time you take your phone out to record someting, wipe the lens on your trousers/sleeve. 95% of this video looks like it’s filmed with an inch of Vaseline on the lens!
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I’ve been watching this channel for months debating on a DIY build or just getting a Synology, but was waiting to see some new models, dunno how much longer I’ll wait for them to release a new 4 or 5 bay, was really hoping my first NAS would be running DSM
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Who’s designing these? Look like A/C units from the 50s…
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Seems very weak. They need to shape up.
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I think these are rebadged, the storage would be Seagate, and the switch will be rebadged Cisco or similar. Even the HPE MSA and Dell ME4 are Seagate-based, HPE and others modify the storage management software, features and brand it their own. I’m concerned that Synology constantly falls behind on hardware, with poor excuses for the lack of 2.5gb, 5gb as standard, and rely on improvements in software to carry them, software good, hardware poor.
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It’s nice to see that they’re finally expanding to the enterprise space. Hopefully they do not mess up the roadmap and properly test their features before release rather than to pull the plug after the fact.
I’ve been bitten once when deploying an additional RS2818RP+ for a customer back in 2020 where the first unit supported 200TB volume (if the memory was upgraded, which we did) but the second unit didn’t because Synology silently removed support for volumes exceeding 108TB in their DSM updates without any notifications.
They didn’t indicate this change in any release notes or changelogs and we only found out when we had tried to deploy the 2nd unit 6 months later.
Their support email response literally just amounted to “Welp… We removed the support for larger volumes because there may be some performance issues; good luck” – thankfully, we could still manually create and format the volume via SSH.
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I’m interested in picking up the ds 1821+ and upgrading to 10 gb port and renewed 22 tb seagate ironwolf hhd and using the ssd for cache. It’ll be primarily used as a media storage pool (mp3s and mp4s files will take up roughly 70 tb)
What would that be the best decision? This is my first Nas purchase, and I have been following your channel for a while now. I feel like you’re the best to ask as a professional who’s unbiased.
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I’m sorry Synology is about to find out what real competition is like…. the fact they think they can go toe to toe with enterprise level vendors is showing me they are utterly delusional. Looks like they dumped on their user base to go in other uncharted directions …. Hello Asustor
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I was really hopping for nvme for home
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I’m happy to see more cameras. I’m slowly migrating most of my camera fleet (no more Chinese cameras) to Synology. I’m disappointed that they don’t have a PTZ yet. I’ve been very pleased with the image quality and AI features of their cameras. I recently had to replace a dead 4 bay, and got a DS1821+ . I had been waiting for the next 8 bay DS+ to come out, but fate didn’t let me. They still haven’t replaced it yet. So, I don’t feel so bad.
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The trouble dear Mr Synology (or QNAP for example) is that the established Large enterprise storage vendors have decades of experience in their market segment and have done the things you are just providing now, for ever. So why would I choose you? I think you should stick to home user, soho/ super techy user and small business.
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My next NAS upgrade will be a UGREEN ????
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UGH! I need a proper DROBO replacement. A DAS that’s USB 3.2Gen 2 or Thunderbolt 3 or 4 speeds and able to swap out drives as you needed to increase the storage pool. If there is a solution out there I have missed it! Love the coverage, Thanks!
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How to kill your product in 2024 slap a subscription on top. I buy equipment annually for roughly 450k and I’m fed up with all subscriptions. I want to own my own infrastructure.
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It was a good decision to buy the Ugreen Nas. Unfortunately there is nothing new from Synology for private users
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O well, time to drop synology for home, im due for drive upgrades so will take the opportunity to build my own nas, time to work, been checking the videos here, many excellent suggestions
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offloading AI to third-party isn’t really a problem, I can easily run LLM locally on a PC/server, definitely more secure/private solution than going some (paid) online service, and easier to scale out than proprietary in-the-box solution
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Still feel like something is going to drop this year for 5-8 bay desktop units, notice the 1522+ and 1821+ aren’t in stock on amazon (as if there is a pause before the new models come into play)
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I had a feeling new cameras were coming considering how low stock the initial ones were.
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Their current business practices means they are a no buy decision.
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Synology is not for consumers any more.
I could kick myself for changing from QNAP to Synology.
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I already get my ‘active protect’ from my Firewalla with no subscription fee! ????
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Long live the 1821+ ????
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Why does the computex void look like you are laid on the bathroom floor ????
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Synology can’t talk about their prosumer products because it’s a very competitive market. The new intel and amd product line will have a hard impact on what’s to come. There are more than enough enterprise and consumers out there that Synology won’t want to lose. They have to be quiet until release date. It’s just smart business tbh.
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6:08 man that was scary
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those fuckers synology took our money and said thank you all to support us and now drop us like we are no more good for them ! thank you synology !
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Can you use locally hosted LLMs for the AI? The whole idea to have a Synology is to have my data private.
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Thanks for the video, but disappointing as prosumer. Was hoping for a DS1825+, but if doesn’t come soon will look at other options. Nice to see a 4K camera but prefer turrets.
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I was hoping for a refresh on the 8 bay 1821+. Maybe they still will. I also understand the big money is in mid to large corporate solutions so maybe they just focused on that and will still do a refresh for us small prosumers.
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ds1525+ ???
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To me, all this tech is a bet on a high AI invested world and user dependence on corporate Enterprise services.
CCTV and insanely high end massive server stacks.
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If we were hoping to see DS1825+ and Synology walks away from us, what do you recommend? Home built?
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So business-friendly that I’m still waiting for Active Backup for Business to support Debian 12 that was released a year ago. Being so far behind the notoriously slow Debian release cycle takes some serious neglect…..
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I guess they are okay with the likes of ugreen taking over the home and small business market with their lack of offerings for that area and lack of competitive price/performance.
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The bullet cam has optical zoom and license plate detection
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did it feel like there was a gap in the exhibition where small business NAS solutions could have been presented? I could imagine that Synology is rethinking their upcomming devices on the hardware side due to the emerging competition.
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1:14: Is that a Synology branded switch above the GS6200 label?
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Nothing for home users ????
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I was hoping to see a RAID SSD Beestation or similar….
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Was waiting for this!!
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So, in short, no (hardware) refresh for the consumer nor promuser nor SMB from Synology. (for the moment?)
And they are aiming for enterprise more & more, so it seems. Plus (optional) subscriptions.
(to me a personal a rabbit-hole I try to avoid, but inevitable nowadays, where you own nothing)
I am an enterprise user but to date I really have not seen appealing arguments that would make me re-consider Synology, sorry!
I will watch their stream(s) to find out more details.
But I guess no golden nuggets from Synology.
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No new small business nases?????
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I am on the waitlist for the RS1224+ or RP+, however if nothing is happening or they upgrade to atleast 4×25 Gbe or at least one 10gbe, and a decent processor, i’ll move on to Qnap of something in that leauge. I operate a RS1221+ where I work and it rung fine but synology needs to wake up, or just keep sleeping for the next decade….
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Frankly, at this point I am no longer interested in a Synology NAS unless it comes with a bare minimum of 2.5Gbe Network connection in it’s base configuration for Systems witht 4-6 bays and 10Gbe for 8+ bays.
1Gbe is suitable for 2 bay systems at best but that speed is unacceptable for prosumers and small businesses and it has been for almost a decade by now. Today you get LTE-modems with integrated 2.5Gbe Port switches from your ISP for heavens sake.
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I’m one of those users… Ugh, if it gets delayed till 2025 that would be wild.
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Shonger lorther
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Still no news!
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do you think it could run plex well including the transcoding, `?
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I just got 2 x 1221RP+ for work as we needed it ASAP, and I knew the new one was coming, rather annoyed.
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Would love to see a review of qnap TS-855eU
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Also, will the new NAS devices (DS, RS, etc.) only support Synology drives from now on? ????
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I would much rather buy rack mount if that were possible, so this product interests me. Do I stick with the DS923+ I have just ordered, or send it back and wait for this?
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Synology come on give us some love ????
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And where is the successor to the RS1619xs+ which they still sell but REFUSE to add support for WORM. I have two of these that I can’t use WORM with.
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thanks for all the great videos. I have a question for you – I currently have a DS918+ and don’t really have an idea of the shelf life on a unit like this. Should I be looking to upgrade this thing or do you think I can hold out for a while longer? Thanks
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10Gbe standard with onboard dual NVME slots with a add-on card ability for trans-coding all video formats.
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Well, everyone is going to have a different opinion but to my mind if you need a new NAS today, buy what’s in front of you today. If you project forward to what an RS1224+ might look like my own thoughts would go like this…
a) faster processor but seeing as my 1221+ usage is typically at less than 2% what does it matter? Maybe it’s a little cooler/energy efficient – no foreseeable gain b) Maybe 10GbE but I need 2 of them for LCAP. Looking at the DS1823xs+ with 1 x 10GbE I doubt 2 ports so I’d probably need to buy a card anyway – no gain c) Fan will be the same so I’ll need to swap them out for Nocutuas for the noise – no gain d) Same pre-installed memory, same warning when I don’t use Synology memory upgrades – no gain d) HDD/SSD support will probably be tightened – big loss
So while I’d buy an RS1224+ if that were the current product, I don’t particularly feel I’d be advantaged by it over an RS1221+. If they released one with 12 or 16 x 2.5″ bays instead of 8 x 3.5″ bays then I’d be all over it in a second! Though I doubt we’d ever see that.
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when it does show up it’ll probably have way behind the curve hardware like an older processor and only a single 1G ethernet port. Synology is falling way behind quickly.
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Perfect with ikea lack rack
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My DS1817+ died in November, I’ve a home make server two and the DS1817+ synced with that but I need to replace the DS1817+ (hopefully the drives are okay, I’ve dual redundancy so fingers crossed) but I’m waiting for the DS1824+ like many others I suspect. Could I use the RS1224+ instead? would it read my disks from the DS1817+? Come on Synology tell us a little about the roadmap…
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I was asking the same thing too. What I would like to see is a 1U version of a DS920/DS923 with a minimal depth list the RS422+ or RS1221+. The RS422+ only has 2GB.
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Hey man can you send me the link of Erying i9. I only found mbo over 700€ on Ali…
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Very bad marketing on Synology’s part. They should announce the roadmaps and commit to it, that is how you gain and obtain customers.
By not telling anything, you leave a lot of uncertainties and that is one thing as a manufacturer you should avoid. Full stop.
If I would take a wild guess, and would explain the conflicting information, there might be a problem with supply (chipset?) and hence why Synology might be desperate in trying to find a solution to resolve that but that is a very difficult challenge nowadays. When the final design is committed to be the production-version, changing e.g a chipset might at times mean back to square one, i.e. redesign of the initial design and all of that does take a lot of time.
But again, a wild guess on my part.
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The zero communication from synology is shit. People need to make choices and they are crapping on customers who upgrade to an older unit and a week later theyll finally release a new one. They need to get a roadmap people should demand it.
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Right I’m in desperate need of a replacement and about to go somewhere else.
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Where the hell is an Active Backup for Business client agent for Linux kernel versions above 5.15? There are lots of people asking for it, but Synology are silent.
I think Synology are slowly but surely failing in so many ways. My DS920+ will probably outlast me, but I’ll never buy another Synology product.
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And where is the DS1824+ and the DS1624+ Synology???? I’m so annoyed about this intransparency and that no official communication or roadmap exists. The customers don’t know whether to buy an old version now or to wait. Really annoying
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How to integrate this optional ai?
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I wonder what AI used in this way will mean for communication. I mean, what’s the point if you receive an informal e-mail from a friend that was written by a computer?
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AI is going crazy! Wonder when it will be integrated into finance to pick stocks or betting at the horse races?! ????
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They really need to work on the Photos app
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No thanks.
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It would be great if there was something like an AI firewall, AI antivirus and other security applications where AI would identify an attack and be able to take actions to defend the system and data, without user involvement and 24/7.
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No seagulls….???????????????? ????????????
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I like this as part of Synology Office and mail. That’s where I see AI being the most useful today. Now all they need is a neuromorphic chip or built in accelerator to push this AI to the edge and have it built into the NAS. Kind of like our spell checkers. You have one locally on your pc that works w/o a network connection in a word processor, then for a larger library it can connect to a server if a network connection is available. If “AI” doesn’t blow out like “Blockchain” and crash like Crypto (All FADS do). Then in 10 years we will see it built into our office devices. I wonder what sort of NEW security concerns this will bring about? I can see it being banned or highly restricted in government use.
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