Synology DS1825+ NAS Leaked

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1 A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
2 What Would the Specifications of a Synology DS1825+ NAS Be?
2.1 Let’s discuss the Synology DS1825+ NAS CPU Predictions…
2.2 The Synology DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity and Memory Explored A Little…
2.3 When Do We Think We Will Hear More about the Synology DS1825+ NAS?
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A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online

UPDATE 7th May 2025:

The Synology DS1825+ and DS1525+ NAS have been released in the Eastern Regions (likely globally in the coming weeks), as well as the Synology DS925+ NAS Now being available globally. Below are news and review articles for these devices:

Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user – as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Massive credit here to reddit user ‘ministory‘ who noticed that the Synology US website appeared to be testing product placement and the DS1825+ listing briefly appeared (see below too).

Now, if we wanted to be cautious and ‘benefit of the doubt’ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ – but Synology does tend to float ‘test’ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Example, via the licensing pages and download pages – which tends to only be the case for ‘real’ products:

So, the repeated emergence of the DS1825+ model ID in the last few months on our alerts, plus the appearance that was spotted by /ministory, PLUS the delay in the DS1821+ usual refresh cycle leads me to believe this is LEGIT. So, with that big old caveat out the way, let’s discuss what the DS1825+ is likely to feature in terms of hardware and why, given the existing Synology portfolio, this system has a very tough spot to fill.

What Would the Specifications of a Synology DS1825+ NAS Be?

Let’s get this out the way, we do not have 100% confirmed specifications here on the Synology DS1825+ NAS – so the following is based on the following factors:

  • Leaks we have observed in Synoogy /download pages that mention specific things
  • The existing Synology NAS portfolio an dhow the brand approaches refreshes
  • The history of Synology and this product series, in relation to the products generally considered ‘above’ and ‘below’ it

So, straight away, here are the things we can largely guarantee:

  • Usual 8-Bay Diskstation Enclosure
  • 8x SATA 3.5″/2.5″ Storage Bays
  • 2x m.2 NVMe SSD Bays
  • ECC Memory
  • Expandability via 2x 5 Bay Expansions (possibly the new DX525 Enclosure – ID floating around)
  • USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A Ports
  • PCIe Upgrade slot, support 10/25GbE NICs
  • Network Connectivity on the Synology DS1825+ NAS

Let’s discuss the Synology DS1825+ NAS CPU Predictions…

Now, let’s discuss the CPU! As this is something of a issue to discuss. The DS1821+ arrived with the quad core AMD embedded Ryzzen V1500B. This CPU has been in use via Synology systems for the better part of  4-5 Years (first featured on the DS1621+) and more often than not, when Synology refresh a product series, they CPU is the bit they focus on – as that is the part that is most susceptible to change by the CPU manufacturer. So, initially I would have said that the DS1825+ would arrive with the V1780B Processor (as Synology have used this in x23/x24 generation upgrades already (eg the RS2423+ here). HOWEVER, Synology have already got an 8-Bay system with the V1780B processor, in the DS1823xs+ (a 10GbE equipped 8 Bay that is around $800-1000 more than the DS1821+). I really, EREALLY cannot see Synology rolling out the DS1825+ with the same CPU as the DS1823xs+ series – which is typically on a 5 year refresh cycle (as most XS enterprise devices are). So, that leads to the question- what else? Well, remember when Synology first introduced the AMD-embedded Ryzen series? They made ALOT of noise about how one of the reasons they opted for it (aside from the thread counts, power vs ability, etc) was that AMD will support this CPU for 10 years! Unlike a lot of Intel offerings in Celeron and Xeon which have a shorter time before ‘refreshes’ – which means the NAS brand is forced to refresh and/or swap out a CPU and swallow the cost changes), a CPU with a 10 year support cycle allows NAS brands to use it for much ,MUCH longer in their systems and their software services. Synology is not aversed to ‘sticking with a CPU for a long time’ *cough the Intel J4125*. So, unless Synology pull a brand new CPU SKU out of nowhere in the AMD embedded series (not impossible, but pretty unlikely, as from their POV they do not need to), I think it’s likely they will STICK with the V1500B. Which, if true, leads to the question – how is the DS1825+ NAS going to be a refresh/improvement on the DS1821+ NAS? My guess… network connectivity.

 

Feature AMD V1500B

AMD V1780B

Architecture Zen Zen
Cores / Threads 4 / 4 4 / 8
Base Clock Speed 2.2 GHz 3.35 GHz
Max Boost Clock Speed Not specified 3.6 GHz
L3 Cache 4 MB 8 MB
TDP 25W 25W
Memory Support DDR4-2666 DDR4-3200
PCIe Support PCIe 3.0 PCIe 3.0
Manufacturing Process 14nm 14nm
Integrated Graphics No No
Virtualization Yes Yes
Max Temperature 95°C 95°C
Launch Date Q3 2019 Q2 2020
1GbE Support Yes Yes
2.5GbE Support Yes Yes
10GbE Support Yes Yes

The Synology DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity and Memory Explored A Little…

Again, heavily ‘pinch of salt’ territory here, but I think the main difference we are going to see in the DS1825+ over the DS1821+ is not going to be the CPU, it will be the network connectivity. Earlier, I mentioned the RS2423+ and the new V1780B CPU it arrived with. Well, that wasn’t the only new change to form that it featured. It also featured 8GB memory (rather than the usual 4GB) and 10GbE out the gate, as opposed to 4x 1GbE as previously used. Now, that (at least in terms of SYnology) was a big step up. Adding double memory and adding 10 Gigabit, but keeping the same pricing as the previous generation was a solid/positive move. So, what about the DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity? I think 8GB base level memory will happen – DSM has fast become so ‘background process’ heavy that 4GB for business use is already looking like the done thing (as also observed in the DS1522+ too). Plus, 4GB ECC and 8GB ECC, via a single module, will be a small price point for Synology in a new refresh. However, IF Synology keep the V1500B CPU in the 8-Bay Diskstation (again, I think likely), how do you differentiate it from the DS1821+ AND still keep it ‘below’ the DS1823xs+, without adding ‘too much’ (from a Synology brand perspective)? The easy answer is 10GbE. Adding 10GbE to the DS1825+ NAS seems like an easy way to make it a solid refresh over the DS1821+ – however, they probably CANNOT DO THAT, as that will IMMEDIATELY hit the DS1823xs+ USPs (aside from the memory and 5year warranty). Synology have been incredibly tactical over the years about their portfolio, spreading things out beating across tiers, product families and utilities. Realistically, they cannot add 10GbE to the DS1825+, without increasing the price OR reducing the price to maintain the overall Diskstation portfolio.

BUT… there is a 3rd option. 2.5GbE. Synology have been incredibly dismissive of 2.5GBASE-T in the last 5 years, whilst many other brands, ISP routers, consumer goods and more have begun to embrace it, as at the manufacture point, it is largely the same price to add a 2.5G NIC as a 1G NIC. Also, the V1500B (and V1780B for that matter) both support 2.5GbE protocols. I know this as 1) other V1500B/1780B systems in the market from competitors have featured native 2.5GbE, and 2) we highlighted this fact during our review of the DS1821+ back in 2021, stating “its a shame that Synology still restricts base level network connections at 4x 1GbE – here“, when the CPU supports 2.5GbE”. Given the increasing support of SMB multichannel on client systems (especially compared with the comparative messiness of LAG/Trunking in smaller setups), 2.5GbE is now a great deal more desirable. Also (this one is a little ‘inside baseball’), 2.5GBASE-T has appeared in a few official Synology places (inadvertently, I might add) and although this could easily be referring to an official USB-NIC, the brand has made strides to disable a lot of USB support in recent years (for reasons of security) and this would be counter to these efforts. I think it’s more likely than its ever been that Synology will finally begin embracing 2.5GbE and given the difficulty that a DS1825+ would have in it’s placement between the DS1821+ and the DS1825+, the only way that Synology could differential it would be 2.5GbE (short of a whole new CPU of course.. but that seems even less likely!).

When Do We Think We Will Hear More about the Synology DS1825+ NAS?

Right now, what we have here is an appearance of the DS1825+ model SKU on the official Synology product pages that was quickly removed, as well as mentioned of the product ID already in the past via download/resource pages (and of course, the delay of this system arriving as the predicted refresh of the DS1821+, released in Dec 2020). So, it’s all very murky! But, realistically, this product family is way, way to popular to be killed off and/or not refreshed, as the only alternative would be the more expensive DS1825+. Additionally, the DS18xx+ range has always arrived in the Autum of the year (going be the DS1821+. DS1819+, DS1817+, etc). So, I would predict the DS1825+ NAS arriving formally in late Q3/Q4 2024 (so Sept-Nov), and at a similar price to the DS1821+. Needless to say, as soon as I know more (as well as get a couple of other background bits confirmed), I will update this article, and share more. Don’t forget to subscribe to NASCompares below, or even just sign up for alerts to this article, to be the first in the know! Have a fantastic week!

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      892 thoughts on “Synology DS1825+ NAS Leaked”

      2. I bought a Synology several years ago to dedicate to Surveillance Station. So I will probably always have one. But any other NAS/Server setup will definitely not be Synology.
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      3. The DSM is a state of art product, but what they are doing is beyond common sense. Just let users decide whether they want to use ‘non compliant’ storage. It worked on older models so why not on the new releases?
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      4. What UPS would you recommend for this NAS, I got a APC Back-UPS Pro BR1600MI but it has 8 IEC sockets and not UK sockets. I would think a UK seller would have UK sockets and not IEC ones?
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      7. Switched from Netgear RN424 to the DS920+ and love at first use. Bought another and slightly older used one for an off site backup. Was helping my dad with the new DS925+ coming out as he still had the Netgear too. Wow. Downhill fast. I don’t want to relearn with Ugreen or similar, but this is a bit harsh and damaging.
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      10. Can a Synology storage pool be migrated to another manufacturer’s NAS enclosure?

        When it’s time to replace my enclosure, can I just buy another, and move my drives over?
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      11. Do any existing Syno customers like the vendor’s new policy ? Surely a majority are on-board, but how do they reason away the single-source storage media limitation? “Single-source” is usually a risk to be avoided. You don’t usually want your own business to be dependent on a single vendor, and certainly not on a vendor who’s experiencing backlash and boycott from other customers.
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      15. Obviously they are after money here. That is understandable, and perhaps even fair (given that you get a lot of software for free with the purchase of a NAS). From here, they should add 2 more options for the user (in addition to “buy only our drives”):

        1. Allow the users to purchase a “license” to add any drive they want. The license should be reasonably priced (no +$100 or more per drive nonsense).
        2. Work with the manufacturers of other drives and have them pay the money to Synology behind the scenes. (This would be similar to how Google pays Reddit to be able to index their website.)

        There is an implicit 3rd option too – considerably raise the prices for Synology NAS, or even sell software licenses separately. I doubt these choices will be popular among consumers either.
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      20. Everyone in 2024: There’s so many more NAS options coming out I can’t wait for Synology to roll out with something amazing to beat them all!

        Synology in 2025: We’re barely going to give you what we already have been minus a few things.
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      21. I wonder if rebuilding or expanding the RAID on the migrated disks would be possible after disabling the scan as per the instructions:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKS1lSaXJN8
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      22. Video idea: compare the mobile (android & ios) apps for the major operating systems. My synology recently died and rather liked their apps, looking at others brand I see low ratings which makes me quite uncertain which one to pick next.
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      24. The scenario about not being able to repair a migrated raid with the same exact model of (previously verified but now unverified) drive is incredibly customer-hostile for a NAS provider. I am sorry, but there is no reasoning that makes that ok, in my opinion, and you might as well have stopped the testing there as it is a full-stop deal breaker.
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      26. What the hell… somebody needs to make Synology visible on the EU commission’s radar perhaps to remind them what happened to Apple and their “closed ecosystem”!

        With the help of chatGPT… 😀

        Dear Synology Team,

        I am writing to formally express my outrage and disappointment regarding your recent decision to restrict functionality for non-Synology hard drives on your newer NAS devices.

        As the owner of multiple Synology NAS units, I find it utterly unacceptable that your policy now breaks support for any system using drives not on your proprietary “verified” list. Most critically, this move prevents the repair or rebuilding of RAID/storage pools containing previously functioning third-party drives. This not only violates basic consumer trust but actively sabotages working systems with no technical justification beyond vendor lock-in.

        Let me be clear: you are coercing your customers into using your overpriced, vendor-locked drives through what can only be described as software-level sabotage. This is not about “compatibility” — this is about cornering the market and eliminating competition through artificial restrictions.

        As of today, I am already in contact with:

        The European Commission’s Directorate-General for Competition (DG COMP)
        Consumer rights organizations within the EU
        Multiple technology journalists and media outlets across Europe, some of whom are already covering your anti-consumer practices
        The European Union has made its position abundantly clear with recent enforcement against Apple, requiring them to open their ecosystem under the Digital Markets Act (DMA). I believe Synology’s actions fall into the same anti-competitive category — and I fully intend to see this investigated and enforced at the EU level.

        I am proceeding with:

        Immediate termination of use of all Synology NAS devices under my control
        Formal regulatory complaints to EU authorities regarding anti-competitive conduct
        Public exposure of these practices through European tech media and consumer watchdog channels
        Legal review of consumer rights violations and planned obsolescence tactics under EU law
        This is your opportunity to correct course before regulators intervene. I demand:

        A formal statement from Synology addressing this issue
        Immediate rollback of policies that block functionality for non-Synology drives
        Guaranteed future support for open and interoperable drive usage
        I expect a response, and I expect transparency. This issue will not go away quietly.

        Sincerely,
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      27. I left a comment here yesterday with the solution/workaround. Seems it was deleted?? Is @NASCompares in Synologys pocket?

        There is a GitHub script you can run that updates the Synology HDD database on your machine so it sees your ‘illegal’ drives as legit.
        Just search for syno_HDD_db
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      32. The 2025 Synology line has suddenly become so uninteresting. I feel very sad for the brand and reputation which had been so successful since the DS508 days.
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      33. Hi. Great stuff from you! As always.
        Thank you very much.
        Also will you test RAM modules? If there is the same compatibility rules as for HDD? Will 3rd party work?
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      34. I have been a user, fan and partner since the DS508, DS509 days, but this Synology HDD requirement is a deal breaker. Very sad that Synology is diverting from its original path that has made it so successful through the years. Looking forward to new and more affordable open source hardware like the Minisforum N5 Pro, Ugreen, Asustor, etc.
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      36. Bought last year’s four-bay system for home use to replace my Drobo which . . . you know. I don’t imagine I’ll ever need another, and if I do, there’s eBay. I feel fortunate I got in before this nonsense arose.
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      39. Just installed over the weekend and returning. Noise levels way too high for me. (Need to work with the NAS in my home office) I’m going back to my 718+ for now. Might go for the 725+.
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      41. I own a 1621+ with a (third party ????) 10GBe card. 4 years have passed and there is absolutely zero benefit of this new station, even the CPU is the same. And on top only Synology drives canbe used. Absolutely ridiculous.
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      43. Does this only affect the new diskstations or do they also plan to add this restrictions to older ones? Just in case, can you flash your DS to switch to another os? ????
        I swear if they sneakily add this to a future “security” update, I will lose my shit ???? figuratively and literally lol
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      44. Imagine buying a car and they won’t let you put on 3rd part tires, windshield wipers, or oil filters

        Oh and their branded ones cost more, are harder to find, & aren’t any better than other options
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      46. Synology are totally a** … I already felt that after the Intel CPU disaster with the DS415+ models, where the devices started dying after only 1,5-2 years!
        The issue was caused by the Intel Atom C2538 CPU, which had a well-known hardware flaw (LPC clock degradation) that led to system crashes and total failure. Synology knew about this problem – they fixed it at newer revisions – yet they denied everything and offered no real support.
        Over 150 users on Amazon reported the same issue after around two years of use, but Synology never acknowledged it publicly. Instead of offering a fix or any goodwill gesture, they lied to their customer and just sent me a link to a new NAS model. No replacement, no discount, no technical solution – just silence.
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      47. You are way to considrate with Synology.
        The recomendation should be: Do NOT buy Synology 25 series until a lot more 3rd party drives are certified.
        In my own consulting business I will be buying a QNAP with a view to learning it, and changing my clients over to it, unless Synology quickly changes policy.
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      48. Synology has been my go to for me and my customers, the last gen is the last synology I use, going forward I’m going to use ugreen instead, what a greedy company synology has become.
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      49. The motivation for Synology to limit drives: Greed
        The reason for the aggressive warning and preventing even basic repair features to work: Greed
        The basis for claiming only verified drives can be used: literally: Nonexistent (no, synology, one firmware issue a decade ago does not count)

        We will see if collapsing sales numbers will get one of the synology managers to stop sniffing their own farts long enough to stop this self destructive crapshow.
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      50. well this information set me back big… was thinking to go from my 2 bay DS220+ to a 8 bay with the capassaty to add 2 mor 5 bay cabinets . i can get synology drives in my contry but the price on them is not even close to a regular one and i am thinking a bout the future… 8+5+5 drive in 4 Tb is a desent storage but i was thinking to have the 8 in a raid 0 and one of the other 2 as a cold storage in a raid 5 with the last as a backup in a raid 5. so the activ raid will have about 29 Tb the cold storage about 14.5 Tb and that indecating that i need to have atlest 33,5 Tb in the backup. and in that case i need to get 5 10Tb drives for the backup. and that will cost me 3 times what the SD-unit cost itself… that´s not possible… not with my income so i am thinking to check other comparnyis solutions or build me my own PC-server/nas/router so everything is in the same setup… it will probely be more of a hassle but i thing that´s the bast solution… maybe this is not for this but i have sean mor and mor comparnyis is doing stuff to F with peapol… sory for the rambeling and anny miss spelling … have dyslexia
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      52. Why do you insist on reviewing terribly expensive nases. I would like you to review nases like synologys cheaper 4 bay ones for half!!! the price. Or how to build them.
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      53. Why do you insist on reviewing terribly expensive nases. I would like you to review nases like synologys cheaper 4 bay ones for half!!! the price. Or how to build them.
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      54. Why do you insist on reviewing terribly expensive nases. I would like you to review nases like synologys cheaper 4 bay ones for half!!! the price. Or how to build them.
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      57. Does the 1525+ have a lock on using SSDs for storage? I know you said the 925+ doesn’t have the lock on the SSDs but you didn’t mention it here. They don’t show any SSDs on the compatibility list for the 1525+ so I assume that’s the case?
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      58. Man, imagine if Apple made a NAS, this would be about what you’d get. Un-freaking-acceptable. Be it commercial or consumer, people use these as a way to preserve and secure their data and the tests here confirm that Synology cannot be trusted with that data.

        I also do not trust that they are taking any haste in whitelisting additional drives. Why would they? Whitelisted drives are exclusively Synology branded, which will carry a markup. It isn’t like WD and Seagate are gonna give them a portion of their sales should some of their drives get whitelisted.

        In fact, the idea of a whitelist/blacklist for this kind of device is offensive. Trust your damn users, please!! I cannot believe that there is an issue widespread enough coming from WD and Seagate(who are almost certainly the producers of the vast majority of the drives that end up in these enclosures) that this kind of lockdown is necessary. If it was an issue, you’d hear it from them or their customers, but near as I can tell, its crickets.

        As someone in your guest discussion video said, the best option was to either let them all work, or don’t even allow migration and lock it down airtight. At least with the latter, you go in knowing the situation and know to buy additional drives as cold spares.
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      63. I have an 1821+. I use all 4 Ethernet ports. 2 are bonded on my primary VLAN, one is on my camera VLAN, and the other is on my IoT VLAN. The switch to two 2.5s isn’t that big of a deal. I could just bond them and set up firewall rules to allow the NAS onto the other VLANs. I’m not even that upset about the drive issue. My problem is how much they are lagging behind in other regards. A CPU released in Q1 of ’18? I’m not asking for bleeding edge, or even cutting edge, but a 7+ Year old CPU? That’s just lazy, cheap, or both. It’s like they didn’t even try. I’m better off getting regular NASs that are just NASs, and setting up Proxmox boxes for the rest. I might be better off just setting up a Proxmox cluster that includes NASs. I liked Synology since it was ready to go out of the box, but at work, I’ve been setting up Proxmox clusters with replication and HA. The clusters are reliable, easy to set up, and far more redundant than a second NAS to replicate the primary.
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      64. Don’t envy your job here with all the negative Synology comments. I agree the updates are disappointing and Synology overall has dropped the ball. As an example I was looking to upgrade from my 4 bay to a 5 bay hoping they would have a full slot for a true SFP card. That would eliminate adapters to my network. Also, as an alternative, hoped the mini NIC would at some point come out with a SFP version. I purchased a 923+, and it sits new in the box thinking the 5 bay would come out and I would sell it as new and recoup some of the money laid out.

        With your review of the 1525+ it seems there is no reason not to just deploy the 4 bay without the drive restrictions and just settle for the mini NIC with the ethernet adapter. I have 4 newer hard drives that I would not even be able to easily migrate without potential issues. Not smart Synology.

        Have learned so much from all your videos and it is much appreciated. I think continuing those reviews, even if not favorable, is important and very helpful. In my situation it seems you have provided the information that helped me determined to just unbox what I have and deal with the limitations.

        Best.
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      66. This basically kills off the feasibility of upgrading from an old model if currently using third party drives.

        A) It means that even if a third party drive is under warranty, a replacement would be rendered useless.
        B) If you have to replace a third party drive, you’ll end up with an array with different brands, which is something Synology seems to be against now, after years of it being one of their great selling points.

        I hope my six year old DS418Play lasts a good long time. I had been planning on upgrading, but its eventual replacement will not be Synology unless they undo these ridiculous changes.

        I’m having a hard time figuring out Synology’s logic here, but It’s my guess that they predict not being able to stop the loss of SOHO customers to the likes of UGREEN and won’t reduce their prices to counter that, so have decided to drop that sector and gouge the corporate realm.
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      67. Synology will achieve its goal of fewer support calls with this strategy. When no one buys the product they won’t call for support. I will never upgrade to one of these new NAS.
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      68. New advert from ebuyer, ????
        “Various Drives to choose from, QNAP doesn’t limit you to proprietary drives, but is compatible with a wide array of drive brands and models”
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      69. Wow, still making excuses for this scumbag company. There is zero reason for them not to have other drivers verified before releasing. They are the worst anti consumer pile of crap company. At this point, there is nothing that Synology can do to get back as customer. I do not know what brand NAS my replacement for my DS1815+ will be but regardless what anti consumer pile of crap Synology those it will not be a Synology drive. They have proved that they will screw over the customer. That coming from some that had a Synology router. Has deployed Synology NAS at work. Has recommended Synology as a company for years. I cannot believe you’re still making excuses for this pile of crap company. There is zero reason to release a new NAS and not test any driver but their own before launch, other than to milk the customer for as much cash as possible.
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      70. Wow, still making excuses for this scumbag company. There is zero reason for them not to have other drivers verified before releasing. They are the worst anti consumer pile of crap company. At this point, there is nothing that Synology can do to get back as customer. I do not know what brand NAS my replacement for my DS1815+ will be but regardless what anti consumer pile of crap Synology those it will not be a Synology drive. They have proved that they will screw over the customer. That coming from some that had a Synology router. Has deployed Synology NAS at work. Has recommended Synology as a company for years. I cannot believe you’re still making excuses for this pile of crap company. There is zero reason to release a new NAS and not test any driver but their own before launch, other than to milk the customer for as much cash as possible.
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      71. Wow, still making excuses for this scumbag company. There is zero reason for them not to have other drivers verified before releasing. They are the worst anti consumer pile of crap company. At this point, there is nothing that Synology can do to get back as customer. I do not know what brand NAS my replacement for my DS1815+ will be but regardless what anti consumer pile of crap Synology those it will not be a Synology drive. They have proved that they will screw over the customer. That coming from some that had a Synology router. Has deployed Synology NAS at work. Has recommended Synology as a company for years. I cannot believe you’re still making excuses for this pile of crap company. There is zero reason to release a new NAS and not test any driver but their own before launch, other than to milk the customer for as much cash as possible.
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      75. Appreciate the work. Was already convinced I was leaving but now I have new concerns about what to do if an older Synology dies and the drives need to go into a newer unit. That’s data loss territory! Exactly what your NAS vendor should NOT EVER be baking in. Screw ‘em. Bye.
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      76. Appreciate the work. Was already convinced I was leaving but now I have new concerns about what to do if an older Synology dies and the drives need to go into a newer unit. That’s data loss territory! Exactly what your NAS vendor should NOT EVER be baking in. Screw ‘em. Bye.
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      77. Appreciate the work. Was already convinced I was leaving but now I have new concerns about what to do if an older Synology dies and the drives need to go into a newer unit. That’s data loss territory! Exactly what your NAS vendor should NOT EVER be baking in. Screw ‘em. Bye.
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      78. You must be aware that the compatibility check can be disabled ?
        Can we form an orderly queue for you to add this feature . . . for the less tech advanced people ?
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      83. Who buys Synology products anymore? Compared to their competition Synology products are overpriced, use outdated technology (i.e. ancient CPUs), have artificial limitations (i.e. no 10gb NIC, extremely limited USB devices support) and now lock HDD compatibility to Synology drives only.
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      85. Synology has tested and supported many Seagate western digital drives for years

        They clearly do not want to add these to the list, to maximize their profits

        If they add any, it will simply be due to pressures
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      87. Thank you very much for another unbiased video.

        It seems that many tech companies have recently lost their way. Is it the system of shareholders? Is it incompetence?

        I no longer offer a few established names to my customers. Synology is one of them,
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      90. Good bye Synology. I’ve used your products both personally and professionally in my own personal business, I’ve deployed them to TONS of customer sites, and I use them currently in my daily profession in Public Safety. After your recent anti-consumer policies and unsupported 3rd party hardware I am going to migrate ALL of my products and services to pfSense and TrueNAS and my own hardware.

        R.I.P. Synology. It’s been real, it’s been fun, but a HUGE mistake on your part and it’s going to cost you thousands of customers most likely more.
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      93. Can you still use these units to run the plex media server as its main purpose?
        This is what I use my DS1520 for (the last one with Celeron processor).
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      94. Though I understand and appreciate why you need to cover the new 25+ range from Synology, I think most here have lost all interest in this new series. Synology have killed the appeal of any of the new 25 range due to their insane drive lock in policy. This new restriction, in my opinion, made all the DSxx25+ range of Synology NAS’s DOA.
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      95. I’ve been waiting 18 months for the 25+ series to arrive so I could upgrade my DS420+. After considering all of my options, I bought an 1821+ so I could easily migrate my existing SHR1 drives. This is likely my last Synology purchase. Who knows if this company will even be around in 5 years. I’ll figure it what to do then I guess.
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      96. They seem to have bigger agenda with this. They want us home and SOHO users to be mad and leave ship so they can stop making home NAS boxes and focus solely on the enterprise market.
        After 15 years I’m fed up with their policy and moving away to Qnap and QuTS Hero.
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      97. My journey with multiple Synology NAS units, spanning well over a decade, appears to have met its end. The DS918+ will have been my last Synology product.
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      99. I really enjoy your videos and over the years find them informative, but no matter how you cut it Synology just isn’t trying any longer. Yes the drive lock issue does bother me for my home use for my business use I don’t have a huge issue with it. My issue now is really hardware doesn’t change enough for 7+ years on average and the software just stopped being enhanced 3-4 years ago when they did a huge push for cloud addition. It feels like all software efforts have moved to their new line of units vs shaping the current product.

        They are more than welcome to go down this path but for me and what I spend my time learning and following Synology is starting to fall off my list.
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      101. Excellent presentation. Thank you. I know these 2025 new release Synology videos are going to be hard to make. It will be interesting to see if they hold their line tight or change directions over the next year. Either way, they are a no-go for me moving forward.
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      103. Thank you for such an in-depth overview of the scenarios, very useful indeed. As a reseller of Synology devices this was disappointing news, I have been selling Synology NAS’s for years and are my go-to NAS, for now I will not be recommending the newer models and stick with the older series which do support 3rd party drives, while they are still available. Hopefully Synology will work with the 3rd parties such as WD and Seagate to make their products certified in the future. Otherwise there are other NAS vendors that their customers will move to and their sales and reputation will undoubtedly suffer.
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      105. Synology warns users that Kingston, Samsung, WD, Seagate, and SK Hynix are at risk. This is a direct confrontation between Synology’s own brand value and the above storage device manufacturers.
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      106. Sorry that I couldn’t watch the entire video Robbie but I did give it a Thumbs Up. My in-laws are arriving in the next hour or so and I have to move my 8 bay QNAP into the guest bedroom and get the nightly RAID scrubbing schedule set before they get here. Cheers mate… ( PS, to enhance the effect, put your spare change and keys in a ceramic dish and leave that on the top of your NAS. Works wonders.)
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      109. Have been thinking about updating my 918+, I hope Synology expands the drive compatibilty soon so also non-Synology drives become compatible. My WD Reds Pro are doing amazing
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      110. I think you need to move away from being a synology yes man and start covering other manufacturers a lot more as they are the future, synology isnt. The hardware is crap in comparrison ot others and its software while good is just stagnent.
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      115. Please stop mentioning that the Price Stayed the Same. This seems to be the Only good thing about These new nas Systems. No need to to Highlight it when the System is Crap thanks.
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      119. I bought a 1522+ in January of this year. I prefer having the 4 x 1Gb ports because I still have a gigabit switch internally, plus I have multiple VLANs so it makes it easier for bonding and for the VLANs. Although I use Synology drives, it’s nice I have the flexibility to use non-Synology drives in the future if I want to.
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      121. I;’d rather cough up an extra £100 for the device as long as I can stick whatever brand drives I want in there. With 20TB Synology drives going for £800 and Tosh doing 20TB drives for £320 – its a no brainer to spend that extra on the device itself while saving HUNDREDS on drives. Heck, Id probably get the expansion and fill that up with 20TB tosh drives too. I’ve reached the limit on my current setup (ds718+ and a ds218j) so NEED to expand but QNAP might be where I’m heading from what I am seeing. Expensive device but better hardware and better drive support.
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      122. Synology has ruined it for me if I cannot use a brand of drive I want to use i.e. I love the Toshiba’s that I have – I think they’re N300s? 15gb drives, I’m running short on space, I want to upgrade and I want to just pop the drives in but if Synology is going to refuse my tosh’s then I’m going to have to go to a different NAS brand which is a shame as I have gotten use to the Synology and Plex runs well on there so I’m pretty gutted about Synology’s choice with HDDs. Its a real shame.
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      125. Here’s a disturbing thought…. Blocking non-validated drives is based on a ‘whitelist’ of ‘validated’ drives. That automatically means that somewhere on the NAS there’s a file that contains that list. What if that file gets corrupted? What if some Synology employee makes a booboo and puts a typo in there? What if there’s a ‘soon to be ex-Synology employee with a grudge’ who does that on purpose? And those corrupt files slip through QA? Things like that happen, and no matter how hard Synology is going to say it won’t I know it can, and probably will happen at some point. That might render your NAS unusable, or at ‘best’ cause you to have all these non validated drive issues with drives that might be perfectly validated and otherwise good. Artificial blocking in such ways is a recipe for disaster.

        Mind you, I totally understand validation of hardware for vendors of NASes, and such. I have absolutely NO problem with them doing that. They have to keep their support costs under control (or charge the customers with the difference, which will make them much more expensive, etc). But this is just a stupid implementation of this policy.
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      129. Synology would have been much smarter to just license their software to any DIY nas device. As it stands now there is zero reason to update to a unit with sub par specs with a software that enforces terrible HDD choices at a premium.
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      133. Love your content, and you keep doing you, but yeah, whenever I see a Synology NAS review, I’m not watching the video anymore until they change tune. Here’s hoping I’m alone in my actions and your channel which has always produced great content doesn’t suffer.
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      144. so some nutbar who doesn’t understand the concept of a tech reviewer and how said reviewers pay bills has decided to start tagging anyone who comments on your and probably other channels videos in ways that aren’t completely derogatory, and then gets extra salty and insulting when you tell them not to tag you.

        really seems to have an active grudge against plex as well. i mean, i dislike the direction they moved, and there’s better free options out there, but i’m not going to plant my flag on a hill to defend that ridiculously like this one seems to be doing.
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      146. Since Synology does NOT manufacture any hard disks, what’s the reason for being forced to adopt “Synology “ drives? The fancy label? The executives’ wages?
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      154. Thank God I didn’t get into synology when I decided to acquire my first NAS. All these companies seem to go down this route, when they got you into their walled garden, they start blackmailing you for more and more money, because line must go up
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      158. Nope. It’s not for me, so I’ve just bought an old DS1812+ from eBay with 44TB in it for £600. Yeah it’s old and slow but it’ll be enough for my media storage and family backups. And it was cheap enough so I can upgrade some of the drives to larger ones.
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      159. Took my drives out of my older 4 bay synology and placed them along eith 3 others in a brand new unraid machine… I was waiting forever for this 1825+, but then the news came about the HD situation… I have 2 other Synology’s up and running until they fail. Its really too bad, I really like synology (at least the software side). Bye forever Synology.
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      160. One big YAWN ????! They have made no compelling reason for existing users to upgrade. I feel like I’ll get more out of my DS1821+ with 32GB ECC RAM and a 10GbE NIC. Maybe they will catch a few new NAS users who won’t know any better, but bottom line bang for your buck has steadily been reducing.
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      161. Never buying any Synology product again. They’re overpriced, their hardware spec is way outdated, and now they’re practising enshittification by locking in users to their ecosystem of products.
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      162. When I first discovered the NAS Compares channel over a year ago my thought was once I’d made my NAS purchase I’d not have a need for the channel anymore. I was wrong! Thanks for keeping us in the know.
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      166. who will use andorid or iphone? our symbian os is so greate…. So sinology was good, probably the best, but time goes forward not backwards. this year they will have drop of sale for sweating of some higher up guys, next year they will be in panic mode. And funny things is there is no going back. Too late to do anything….
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      167. thanks synology, finally 2.5gbit network by default. old cpu and no support for ddr5 memory. and only synology hardware support. and worst tech support. still dsm doesnot have dark theme. No more synology. Recently Synology is no longer in my compatibility list. I am done.
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      169. Synology could at least limit support to only enterprise drives. I think everyone understands shucked drives from inexpensive USB enclosures are prone to fail. But sheesh, there are plenty of enterprise drives that are still less expensive than Synology drives.
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      170. There aren’t many reviews of the N100 ugreen NAS’s, most are for the other CPUs and the idle power consumption is a big turn off for those for me and I’d guess a lot of users. I was looking at a zima blade 2 but the 2 bay ugreen offers a lot more I think for most users and could end up being cheaper after import duties… I think a review of those models would do well!
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      172. QNAP should launch a migration program. Before Synology was far ahead in terms of Easy to use, they still are but the difference is no longer relevant for most users.
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      173. Synology doesn’t even explicitly state that an HDD is mandatory. It’s just mentioned in the footnotes.: “Kompatible Laufwerke sind obligatorisch. Bitte konsultieren Sie unsere Kompatibilitätsliste, bevor Sie Festplatten kaufen. Für weitere Details lesen Sie bitte diesen Artikel.”
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      178. I was wondering if that script that adds your drives to the “compatible list” works on the ’25 units, and if that’d be a way around the migrated pool and a drive failure/adding same disk test?
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      183. This is the one I was waiting to buy as my first NAS for over 3 years. I’ll keep my windows 10 PC with its 8x24Tb ironwolf pro as my main Plex server and storage location. They just saved me thousands of Can$.

        Synology peut ben s’étouffer avec leurs limitations de drives à marde. ????????

        Comme si un NAS drive professionnel de WD ou Seagate, les deux plus grands manufacturiers de Hdd au monde n’étaient pas assez bon / fiable pour leur NAS. This is BS.
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      186. If Synology will not let me use my own WD Data Center drives then I will have to ditch Synology! I will not be locked into their product hemisphere!
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      189. I’m so happy with my DS1821+. I can see those waiting for a new 8-bay From Synology deciding to go with the older model and saving some cash too.

        I have concerns with regard the 1825+ using USB-C to connect the optional DX525 expansion units rather than the prior ESATA method. I’ve found that connecting to an external drive via USB, instead of ESATA, prevents the S.M.A.R.T info from being read.

        Also, Synology wouldn’t go so far as to replace four 1GbE ports with 4 2.5GbE ports as it would negate the need for their 10GbE expansion card.
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      193. Yikes!! Whoever pushed and shoved this decision through at Synology is probably doing a lot of “short selling” (or buying some major “put options”) in anticipation of the Synology stock tanking and taking a nose dive in price. Not so crazy, actually, Brilliant! Although, Really bad for the corporation. Oh yeah, and the consumer. Or at least what’s left of them. Major opportunities for other NAS competitors. And NASCompares.
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      198. Is there even a point with 25gbe (and how expensive will that be..)For the 1621+ , there is basically no point with 10gbe since the cpu is a bottleneck. But does not matter, i will not buy a NAS with HDD lock.
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      201. Drive HCL makes this a non-starter for me. Was hoping to get one to upgrade my DS1817+. Now, I’m looking at competitor options.

        Dug into the specs more. So let me get this straight… the DS1825+ is literally just the DS1821+ with:

        – the same 5-year-old CPU,
        – locked-down drive compatibility,
        – half the LAN ports (but hey, now they’re 2.5GbE, wow),
        – NVMe slots you can’t actually use unless you buy Synology-branded SSDs,
        – and the privilege of paying the same price.

        It does now use USB-C for expansion, instead of ancient eSATA. That’s a … win? I guess? 2025? Sure, let’s call that one a “win” Why not? Gotta put something positive here, it may as well be that.

        This isn’t innovation. This is SKU recycling with extra vendor lock-in. At this point, Synology’s Plus series should come with handcuffs in the box. Hard pass.
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      203. This is great news because very little has changed from my DS1821+ that hopefully means I will get software updates as long as the DS1825+ does hopefully but without the stupid Drive-Lock
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      204. Synology would like to thank you for being a loyal customer for years. So now when your Nas dies, you can purchase a new updated Synology NAS and all your hard drives all over again. You are welcome, its the least Synology can do to show you how important you are to them.
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      205. if you want/need as much storage possible – in the US the 20tb synology drive is currently 2x ironwolf pro 20tb. (not currently supported on older devices either)

        I am def not spending extra $3k just to use synology drive. no thanks @synology — guess ill just stick w my 2019 model for a while.
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      206. I wound like to thank ASUSTor and UGreen for listening to their customers, If you guys are listening. I will be upgrading my DS920+ soon. I’ll be checking out your offerings.
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      208. My1821+ and my DVA3221 will be my last new Synology devices ever. Since I won’t be selling them in my shop no more, I can not justify using them personally any more. I only feel sad and nostalgic, cause i think i been using them for several decades. But they made the choice for me. So I can’t cry about it.
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      211. Hardly a hardware upgrade over the 1821, which was already comically underpowered when the 1821 came out. And then there’s the nonsense drive compatibility lockout. This thing is dead to me.
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      212. I have 8GB ECC in the 1819+ for almost 5 years and it’s been flawless. Plus 10GBE Card. 18 TB drives. I was considering this upgrade, but there is no path forward for me. Even if I wanted to migrate I could never replace a drive that fails because Synology does not offer 18 TB drives. To be honest, I think the 1821+ is a much better upgrade.
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      217. I have DS1821+ for years in many locations. 1821+ also has ECC RAM, same CPU. Differance? I can easily put Mellanox MCX311A-XCAT and connect with my switch via Ubiquiti DAC. Works like charm. I test such configuration in many productions servers and never failed (i only change thermal pasta under heatsink). Additionally Mellanox card are very stamina and we can buy it for fraction of Synology cards.

        I had one synology card – E10G18-T1. Worst piece of crap which i saw. First card was DOA, second occasionally drop link. It took me few days before i found out that problem is with card. Synology said that card is fine. I put Mellanox which i had in decommsioned server and working for 2 years without issue. Addtionally E10G18-T1 in DS server getting crazy hot due to lack of vetilation and airflow.

        If we will add to this problems with HDD i need to say “BRAVO Synology, great tactic”. I bought recently QNAP TS-1273AU-RP-8G. Zero problems with adding RAM, Mellanox card and Exos drives. Software is diffrent but i can make such deal.
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      218. Great. Been waiting for this, been waiting. Due to crippling it I won’t purchase. As such it’s a 1821+ if I were going to do anything, but more likely extend what I have at the moment with DX unit to eak out a few more years so the home market NAS suppliers can catch up and I will jump ship. No external drives, no purchase for me.
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      219. Its an interesting approach . . .
        Synology has enabled other NAS companies to increase their sales and increase their market share.
        However competing NAS companies will not just take a few extra sales . . . they will also want more ????
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      220. just received latest synology newsletter today, and I quote “Compatible drives are mandatory”. reducing 4 network ports to 2 is yet another sign of penny pinching 🙁
        – yep, for this device and above, drive compatibility is potentially useful, however a price point always above the same manufacturer drives is taking the pee.
        – just to say again, many thanks for the videos over the years, I’m having a lot of fun putting together a Jonsbo N4 with an ITX board & AMD 4650GE & m.2 to sata with TrueNAS as a replacement to my DS1019+
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      222. Is it worth to upgrade from 1819+ to 1825+? I use my NAS localy as file backup only and sharing data with friends online. I don’t transfer files often, nor need high bandwith at all. Thank you community.
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      223. Robbie, as always, thanks for the fantastic video. That said, this morning, having lost faith in the universe, I bit the bullet buying a FOUR YEARS OLD DS1821+ with 10GbE for $100 MORE than I paid 3 years ago. I don’t curse… EXCEPT FOR WHEN SYNOLOGY BREAKS MY BRAIN!!! I cursed a LOT while clicking on this purchase. But it is the ONLY way I can preserve my 100+ TB of data on a DS1813+ with 20+ TB drives. Am I wrong that, given the SAME CPU, there is NO REASON to Buy a DS1825+ and that EVERYONE [unless happy with 2.5 GbE] should just buy 1821+ as a FAR better short and long-term solution ? What are your words of wisdom on that? Inquiring Beer Vloggers need to know

        – Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ ????Professional????Poets & Bed ???? & Beer???? Vloggers ]

        P.S. Of course, this purchase is meant to allow me to WAIT 1-2 years and THEN [probably] jump to 2027 U-Green NAS unless Synology decides to take their brain out of Steve Martin’s 2-brained jars and put it back in their head.

        PPS. I DO hope that Synology can RE-ANIMATE their brain with actual brain cells from some spare ones Herbert West has RE-ANIMATED. I will spend the rest of the year APOLOGIZING to all my clients I told Synology was the best since sliced bread. Now I can only say they are marginally better than sliced brains. In the words of ASH… this whole mess is NOT “GrOOOOOvy”!!!!
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      225. I held off years for this, But until I know for sure about the drive policy I won’t buy it.
        Need support for WD red’s that are in my 5 bay DS1019+, Sure they say you can migrate over but what do I fill the other 3 bays with later on?
        And then down the line if I buy an expansion unit can I add WD’s to that as well?
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      229. In a NAS with this number of drives I’d want a greater choice of drives, drive suppliers and want to be able to get my hands on them quickly. That’s why IMHO Synology is no longer a good option for enthusiasts or enterprise. I’ve had to wait for Dell, NetApp or HP certified and branded drives before, no fun.
        Also I take the view that if it’s not a rack mount unit it’s pro-Sumer at best so shouldn’t be hamstrung by requiring certified drives. I’m leaving Synology
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      231. Probably will just pick up a 1821+ at this point to replace my 1812+. While 2.5gb would be preferred for the same price, not willing to risk dealing with Synology drive incompatibilities. Otherwise I would just pick up a used 2422.
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      241. Synology really have gone to town to ensure their products are worse than their previous ones. Less ethernet ports is beyond me. They have completely lost their home user market share and likely smb too
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      243. As much as I do believe DSM is great, I am not buying another Synology until they revert back their drive lock-ins policy and allow me to use whatever hard drives and storage I want.
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      244. ARC loader is the only way how to use DSM efficiently – all HW unlocked. One other option could be to buy only 2-bay model and mount using NFS/iSCSI your big fat TrueNAS storage and use it directly in DSM. There is NO WAY we will continue selling this shill to our customers – mainly manufacturing factories. Synology is DEAD for us, same as for Linus – anticonsumer practices should be met with resistance.
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      246. I have been holding off for this (sort of.. it has been clear it would be a non-upgrade.) Synology has many strengths, but first off, until they “verify” a bunch of more “normal/normie” drives such as IronWolf/Red Plus I won’t consider them. But overall, Synology is working very hard to make me consider their competitors before I’d pick up this unit.
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      247. Passing on this due to drive lock. My 1819+ is doing well with the pcie 10gb/nvme expansion card. When it comes time to upgrade, aside from the concerns about being made in china (being able to install your own OS somewhat assuages that fear) I think UGreen looks awfully tempting. Or the QNap ‘tank’ 855x if memory serves on product name.
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      254. it’s sad… I had planned on possible buying a couple of these to refresh my aging synology nas units i have. but with the hdd lock down crap… it’s a hard pass. hope you read this synology. you shot yourself in the foot. way too many other options that dont’ do stupid DRM crap that can get my money. and the HW specs in this really not all that impressive.
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      255. These mediocre improvements are also 9 months late, and this is because Synology is clearly focused on massive scale processing and surveillance systems and not consumer hobbyist data storage. Your trip to Taiwan expo last year showed where their priorities are. Time to move on.
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      258. What you can do…
        Give a wide berth to a company that insults the customers who have been loyal to it for years and have brought it sales.
        Anyone who pulls this kind of crap has no future in the market.
        One could surmise that the swings of the decision makers were a little close to the nearest wall.
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      260. Thank you for the clear and thoughtful coverage of this important topic. I guess my old Drobo 5N will have to keep going for a little while longer while I consider other options.
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      261. DIY’ed my own nas for about 150 or so euros extra: 8c16t cpu, 64gb memory, no drive limitations, titanium rated psu, cilverstone case… Everything replaceable, no weard or locked components… am i ever a happy customer after seeing this saga unfoald…
        yeah sure, no ecc ram… but would I really need that anyway since main purpose is to keep everything neatly backed up…?
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      263. Junk, stay away from this, and please stop telling people that the price is the same, with lock in drives the price changes dramatically, is part of the scam.
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      268. Happy to had bought 1821+ not long ago and not waited for this, the only fear is now if I ever have to migrate to a new unit or to an entire new solution, because those DriveLocks are not fun at all
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      276. Not being able to recovery from a degraded array with a like drive should make 100% of people looking to upgrade completely stay away from these systems. The other scenarios people can grumble about but this on is a dick move.
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      282. Wow. This really sucks. We need an open source software that does SHR. Drobo’s had something similar and I went to Synology because they also allowed mis-matched drive sizes in a NAS form. Unraid and Hexos does not do a variation of SHR which is sad.
        I hope my 10 year old synologies last another 10 years!
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      283. Thanks for putting this video up. This is so disappointing by synology.. I researched and bought on in 2019 and wow happy with it. Will definitely find a new company somewhere else/
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      288. The 2025 Synology series is unfortunately Dead to Me. I have a DS423+ (Plex user here) and there is zero reason to ‘upgrade’ to the 2025 models regardless given the HW specs. This is a pity as the DSM 7.2 version I’m on (before they removed Video Station) looks to be the version I’ll be staying on as long as I can (baring some significant security issue).
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      289. I’ve been a loyal Synology user, and this is my third unit, but it will also be my last. It feels like Synology has forgotten who their core customers are. Casual users generally don’t care about NAS, while power users, who set everything up for their families, care a lot about flexibility and choice. Forcing users to buy only their drives is where I draw the line. I’ve always used IronWolf drives and have been completely satisfied with them. I’m not going to switch just to comply with Synology’s new restrictions.
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      290. Stability is great. But let me choose. If you want to verify drives which guarantees me a certain level of stability, great. It’s my device though so if I want to put in different drives and don’t give a shit about your verification, then I should be able to.
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      292. We’ve had an eight unit Synology NAS in our office for several years and have been waiting on the release of the 2025 model to upgrade this. The company’s decisionn to force users to buy their rebranded drives has sent me looking to their competitors.
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      296. LOL. @Synology, get over yourselves. You’re not even close to enterprise class devices, stop LARPing. I was looking at replacing my fleet of aging Netgear ReadyNAS 4, 6 and 8 bay enclosures and @Synology you WERE on the list. Now, you’re #1 on the “Hard no” list, as I don’t/can’t trust you, even if you roll back this greedy decision.
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      298. They should’ve just raised the price instead of lock it. They want to fight HDD prices falling locking you in and tap into HDD sales. I was looking for a 10 bay and due to lock in I’m passing. I need to be able to move old RAID designed drives over not buy 10 new ones. This also forces you to buy bigger drives up front. I will not be buying one of their products. I have 86TB and will be growing 24TB a year. So who is this product for?
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      299. I have worked the industry an I can understand the idea behind Synology’s decision to ban drives that are not on the HCT list. I can understand, but I don’t think they did it the right way. The right way would be to expressly state that if you are using drives that are not on the HCT list Synology will not accept any warranty claims in case of disk failure, array failure or data corruption.

        The reason I say this is because I have built a lot of storage servers and run into disk compatibility problems. In one case WD shipped over 200 drives so we could swap out the drives that failed in the servers a customer bought. Thing is these drives were actually on the compatibility list, but then using an older firmware. Once the firmware was upgraded the disks were no longer compatible. In another case I had to sit at a customer and update the firmware of about 100 drives as the R6 arrays had failed. This customer had all error mail messages sent to an employee who never looked at them. Had he even just looked at the servers once he got an email he would have seen the error LED on the failed drives and the array failures could have been prevented. As it was the drives failed, the arrays were degraded, the standby drives were used to rebuild the array and another drive failed and the second standby replaced it only for two more drives to fail and the arrays were dead. This is when they called about the problem. Seagate and the controller manufacturer went through the logs from the controllers and Seagate provided a new firmware that solved the failures. These are things you don’t have to deal with if the drives are tested, certified and the drives you buy has the correct firmware. And to get the kind of service we got from drive manufacturers it helps if you are talking about several hundred drives at a time. It’s harder to get prompt service if you are a end user and have four or eight drives that cause a problem.
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      300. Very frustrated, I’m a customer since 2015, persuaded at least 13 friends to buy their nas, but now I’m so upset, I’ve been holding 2 .. 3 years to buy their newest model , now I just want to go elsewhere, very upset
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      301. I’m so upset with this, literally bought an upgrade to my old unit 10days ago, while I was searching for new drivers I discovered this news about the drivers, I really don’t like this idea of no freedom, so I will be returning the unit for refund and i will search other company , they don’t deserve my data
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      304. What about older non-Synology drives?!
        I have an old DS414 that I’d love to replace but was waiting for 2.5Gb network. Now I’m just a home user, I don’t have a big budget, so if I replaced my NAS, I would want to use my existing old (but working perfectly) drives, preferably with a clean install after backing up the data. I’ve no idea if these old drives are on any recent compatibility list even if Synology were to open up the allowed list a bit.

        And these NAS units aren’t cheap, there’s no way I can afford a new NAS and 4 new drives all in one go, and then what happens to my existing perfectly working drives?

        I just can’t see how I can buy a new Synology NAS now.
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      307. While it’s unofficial fixes, i would really appreciate it if you could test some of the HDD compatibility scripts (hacks), which replaces/expands the file which contains the compatibility list on the Synology NAS and whether or not it works.

        Just Google “Synology_HDD_db”

        EDIT: In fact, they just released a guide an hour ago to even get the new Synology NAS’es to allow you to install DSM with unverified HDDs.
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      308. There are already scripts created that can add any disks to the Synology approved list or allow DSM to be installed on new disks. It remains to be seen if Synology will make changes to block them but for now, unverified disks can be used very easily.
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      310. There is no incompatibility with ‘unverified’ drives but aggravated obsession for customers money. Synology wants to make money out of thin air. Because most of Synology hardware was overpriced outdated trash 5 years ago and surprisingly it is now. But from now on company decided to do a quantum leap into degeneration and bankruptcy by enforcing usage of outdated and overpriced Toshiba drives relabeled. This would mostly hit home users, creators and some small businesses

        Whatever this company did it won’t revert the accumulated negative effect. So it’s time to say “bye-bye overpriced trash”!
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      311. Have anyone tested copying first blocks of unverified, but working disk (from DS923+) to new, but unverified disk? Something like “dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1” ?
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      313. What does a verified disk mean? Every 20 year old computer needs drivers and the thing will work, with all types of memory media. So they just don’t want the drivers to load for stable operation. petty????
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      314. Curious if when a drive fails, if you can shutdown the DS925+, pull the good drive out, clone it to the replacement disk to get the synology partitions on it, place the original good drive back in and boot, then when running add in the cloned replacement disk to see if it will allow raid repair. Might have a similar situation as when replugging in the hot pulled disk.
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      316. All those years of getting r&ped up the wallet and telling ourselves we’re ok with mediocre hardware because THeiR sOFTwaRe is SO aaWSome…well 1)it’s not, I’ve used all their own apps now, many don’t really work. and 2)this is what our premium dollars have paid for, a deliberate sabotage at the software level creating artificial problems…that’s right artificial problems put there by Synology.
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      317. That is really a shame, hope they do add 3rd party to the compatibility list. Actually the Synology drives are not compatible in a lower version of DSM like 6.x while the 3rd party are, so overall they are the least compatible drives on the market! What concerns me also is if the Synology drives are compatible on other brand NAS’s ? So you can save your investment if you want to switch.
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      319. I am a migrating buyer

        I planned to purchase a DS1825

        I’ve had (2) 20 TB Seagate EXOS drives sitting in my desk waiting for a new unit

        This was the final straw, I purchased a Terramaster F6-424 Max

        So far, I’m happy
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      323. This is so f*cking stupid I don’t even know where to start. For f*ck sake Synology, how can you be this turned away from reality?!
        This is ensh*tification at its finest really. I could’ve bought it if buying your drives would’ve unlocked something extra and it was 100% optional, but this.. I can’t believe than I’m from now on is going to suggest QNAP to people who want to buy a turnkey solution…
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      324. It is completely UNACCEPTABLE and DANGEROUS for Synology to block recovery of an array with non-Synology branded drives. That is a completely artificial restriction that they have chosen to implement and puts their customers’ data at risk. That is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE behavior from Synology!
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      326. I’ve got a dead DS1817+ and I’ve been waiting for 18 months to replace it; I’m fairly convinced that it’s the motherboard that has died. It has 8 * 8TB WD Reds in it. I want to transfer this pool to a new NAS. I’m hoping that I can move my current pool to a new DS1825+ then one by one replace my WD Reds with something like 16TB HAT3310s The cost will be prohibitive but I might be able to do this over an 18 month period… hopefully I will then be in a ‘safe’ position…
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      327. I’ve been thinking about this verification nonsense from Synology, and it occurred to me that it is a brand lock-in, nothing more. Think about it, for years Synology have had NAS certified drives from Seagate, Toshiba and WD on their compatibility list, a list that they have claimed has been validated thoroughly. If this is so, and those drives from Seagate, WD and Toshiba have been fully verified for years, what’s changed? Why are those drives suddenly unverified now?

        How can drives previously on Sinology’s much vaunted compatibility list be unverified? It makes no sense to me. I believe Synology are appeasing their user base by saying third-party drives are/will be verified in future without seriously wanting to do this. This exercise is being done to evaluate user pushback. If most users shrug, grumble a bit and accept this new situation, Synology may quietly forget about verifying thirdparty drives. If, however, the reaction from the Synology community is comprehensively negative, they will miraculously include the third-party drives they’ve always had on their compatibility list in short order.
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      328. This is a huge showstopper for me and many. I have 918+ running and will most likely be looking for a way out of Synology ecosystem if they stay on this path. The hard part is replacing some of the apps that I use, like Photos (Immich?) and Drive (Nextcloud is the closest but bloated) and Surveillance station (???). If you are not using these apps then getting out of Synology should be pretty simple.
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      330. Synology going this route of trying to lock in their overpriced rebadged Toshiba hard drives is a Rubicon that cannot be uncrossed. The trust is gone. Even if they claim they will loosen the restrictions on non-approved drives, why should I trust they won’t simply reverse course in a few years? It’s time to move on from Synology.
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      331. I wonder if there would be market for hacking WD drives to identify themselves as valid verified drives 🙂 Most likely the firmware change they have made to the drives is very minimal and could be quite easily replicated/emulated on other drives.
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      334. That rebuild thing is a big problem, you should always be able to rebuild a RAID if drive fails, dataloss is worse than possible unstable behaviour that might occur. And if that really is a big issue, then just allow rebuild but keep the RAID in slow degraded mode where it really cannot be used until you rebuild it with verified drive, but in the mean time all the data will be safe as the RAID has been rebuilt and there is parity data.
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      337. Pathetic. to let you migrate non-standard drives and hten not repair a failed RAID??? Regardless if they “fix that”, it shows you their brain-dead strategy–those were the requirements for developers!
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      340. Excellent presentation. Thank you. You are doing some really amazing reporting on this situation. I try to repurpose just about all of my drives, memory and whatnot as best I can when bringing in new home lab equipment. All my stuff is enterprise grade as I just dont buy “cheap stuff” for my lab. The thought that I could never any of it, not one bit, in a brand new premium NAS just makes want to vomit. It kind of reminds me what what MSFT is doing with TPM and what Broadcom has done with VMware. Of course Apple does this same crap with their computers, phones and everything else. I have really high hopes for the new Minisform NAS and their OS. Really hope the Minisform NAS OS can be virtualized under Proxmox either on their new NAS hardware or the MS-A2.
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      341. So synology is using Non-standard hard drives because all other drives than synology are not working normally.
        Do not explain me that… In my opinion all people should fill whole internet with simillar sentence in comments and reviews to force synology to explain themself more and that will show that they are just lying about true intentions
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      347. I wouldn’t normally comment on a YouTube video, but wow. I’ve been a Synology NAS customer for longer than I can remember. I currently own six units with a total of 32 drives across them. I heard about the drama, but I was waiting for some actual tests to see how bad things were. I would say this is disaster territory. I simply can’t trust Synology with my data going forward. It’s a real shame, I’ve loved the OS over the years, and I have boxes that have been powered on for something like 10 years non-stop. I have always recommended them as the go-to solution. Time to move on. Thank you for doing these tests, and for the great videos over the years. I look forward to finding out the best new options as they appear.
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      349. Just say it outright: Synology can’t be recommended anymore. This policy is idiotic and most of the disabled features have absolutely nothing to do with drive “compatibility”. If their software is so finicky, it’s shit software and you wouldn’t want to use it anyways. This is just a money grab, plain and simple, and coming at the worst of times where nearly every other manufacturers hardware is better than the Synology oldtimers.
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      350. They will hopefully learn their lesson soon or go bankrupt. I for myself will never use Synology ever again and do my datndest to not let them into the corps i work for.

        Damage is done ….
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      356. At first I thought I would just quit if they bs spec lock. Now I need to advise other against their bs scamming. Remember this ‘once they start bs any business practice, they will do it again and again. NEVER EVER TRUST OR GIVE IN TO THEIR LIARS’
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      358. Wow, looks like I may be looking at HexOS now and my own hardware solution or perhaps one that comes without an OS. I really do love Synology, but this huge change is a deal breaker for sure.
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      360. Many thanks for the video . To be absolutely clear . . . . another vote for UGREEN + TrueNAS
        Synology face sales loss from people/SME who start with a low end product and later upgrade to several higher end products.
        It would make sense if Synology modelled their likely sales loss based on these comments . . . do they care?
        Surely Synology must realise that a very small percentage of the population buy NAS units
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      364. Nope. I own Synology NAS devices at home and for my employer (Government – Police, Fire, EMS). I’m out. This is a deal breaker for me. I will not be buying any more Synology hardware while they are vendor locked on the drives. Hard drives all meet standards. We put them in RAID arrays to protect against those rare failures. Artificially raising the price is asinine. Get your head out of your asinine Synology!
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      365. …and don’t forget, what you might be able to do today will properly be turned off in a DSM update when they get aware of the loopholes found by the users ????
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      366. Their decision is so stupid that it would even make more sense to stop accepting sata drives and create a new Synology type of drives…
        They will regret it but probably it is already too late.
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      367. One of the most absurd thing about all this story is that the Synology drives I see listed on Amazon (at least here in Italy) are obviously either Seagate or HGST manufactured WD (that btw for some funny reason have the sticker flipped upside down compared to the OEM drives), so there is no reason for not allowing other drives of those brands to function inside the NAS.
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      368. Good information. My opinion is to stay away from Synology for now. Even if you pay more and purchase all compatible drives today, it does not mean they will be on the list for your next replacement system. Sadly, as a home user, I like the SHR. Does any other manufacturer allow mixing drives.
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      369. After exchanging emails with synology the official answer is “drives that do not meet the new compatibility policy WILL NOT WORK”. I can forward the email to you if you want or you can ask for details from them.

        RIP Synology. It was a nice trip.
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      373. I’m not yet sure if I have to replace my current NAS with another one, but this crap rules out any chance for a Synology. They have begun the route down this path, and I don’t believe they will reverse it.
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      374. You could potentially try “initialize” the drive in the older nas to try to use it as replacement for degraded RAID.
        If you migrate the older box is usually kept as the backup so it may be kind of the workaround foe those who must upgrade.
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      375. Thanks for your detailed and scientific approach to NAS videos. I have been watching about 6 months. I don’t own a NAS yet, I like to do a LOT of research before purchases like that. I’m glad now I didn’t purchase a Synology system recently.
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      377. For a dominant NAS vendor like Synology, I can’t believe this product release was a marketing blunder. They’ve had plenty of time to verify 3rd party drives so the fact they have launched with a retricted compatibiity list speaks volumes for their mindset. Even if they add a few 3rd paty drives over the next few months, I think the writing is on the wall. Ultimately Synology will be a closed ecosystem and I’m certainly not going to validate their position with a purchase.
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      378. You do realize how Synology “works” with WD and Seagate. Just trying to squeeze money out of them for “verification”. Because their NAS disks are already absolutely compatible for the reason that no special compatibility is needed. They just need to meet industry standards.
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      381. I have a random crazy theory. I don’t know if it would work. Lets say you have four drives from an older system. You migrate them to a new NAS. They work! Now, one of those drives goes bad. You replace it with a new blank drive of the same model. The NAS rejects it. Just pull one of the working drives, put it in a system and do a sector by sector clone to the blank drive. The New NAS will recognize the new drive as being Synology and let you rebuild the system using it.
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      382. 2:08 this part of the video testing unverified drive information is good enough for me,because i prefer seagate brand. Currently own ds920+ with 4x8TB seagate,plan want to buy 5 bays but i guess i’ll pass.
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      383. Yeaaaaaaaa, that’ll be a big ol’ NOPE from me. “They’re looking into compatibility with WD & Seagate”!?! Well, Synology, the damage is DONE. Shoulda ‘looked into’ it prior to launch. Your company will never recover from this backlash.
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      384. So, I was going to update my 1817+ to a 25+ model. Not anymore. I have Seagate enterprise drives in it with several purchased spares (all on the compatibility list for that model). I can migrate but have to use Synology drives going forward for expansion/spares?! Um, no thanks. I’ll be going with a different brand. Why do companies get greedy and then stupid?
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      385. Consider me riled ????
        At this stage, I’d consider it a risk to migrate a storage pool from an older model.

        I would be tempted to say that they should only offer the Migration Assistant method to move data from an older model to the ds925+ having Synology branded disks. At least this way there would be no confusion about which scenarios my data is safe.
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      386. 12m – attempt to be balanced … it has only just been launched … they may add further drives down the line….

        Never buy something on a promise or assumption; buy on what it is now (especially at this price point)
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      387. So this isn’t an issue with an existing Synology + series of NASes? does that mean firmware/upgrade support of old devices is going away? Since ultimately this is a software lock it seems.
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      391. Was ready to upgrade later this year but at this point we are going to remove all Synology drives out of our business it’s a waste now being forced into certain hardware.
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      394. Thanks Robbie. Great video as always. I had ONE more thought, but I totally understand if you don’t revisit. If you have a migrated pool & volume, you remove a “bad” drive, and you install a “new” unverified drive… that you first setup as a “blank” single drive in a DS923+ or whatever… would THAT allow you to use the single unverified to repair? Using an older NAS to “prep” drives to use in the DS925+ doesn’t make much sense, but if it works… well, that’s something. Again, thanks for all you do, and have a great day!!!
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      397. Synology is dead to me. I replaced my 920+ and relegated it to a backup system until it dies and at work where we had 6 1820+ systems that we had already started migrating off of before this latest BS they announced. Outdated / limited hardware, removing features from software, and competitors catching up and surpassing them on the hardware side while options like TrueNAS, UNraid, and others are filling the gap on the software side without vendor lock in.

        The value proposition Synology once had been already trending down, with the new release it is gone.
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      398. Really hope Synology watching your videos and reading comments. I wanted to upgrade to a 925+, and wanted to buy another unit for my parents house.
        Now i wont, and i will switch to ugreen or qnap.
        Hope you make a good amount on your rebranded drives synology.
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      399. Synology is dead to me now. What folks should do — what I have done — is acquired a small Plus-series drive from the recent past that can run Active Backup for Business. Use that machine as an appliance for the sole purpose of network backup. Use larger devices from other vendors as the target of your backups and for all other purposes.
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      400. All of this wouldn’t be an issue if Synology drives were readily available in the sizes in we want for a reasonable price, similar to the existing WD/Seagate offerings. But if I need to wait a week and pay anywhere between 10-50% more for essentially the same thing, then that’s what makes me extremely annoyed at this situation.

        IF you have a Synology system, maybe they should offer existing users a discount or something to buy Synology drives. They need to offer some incentive at least. However who knows how long that will last. Maybe a year down the road once we are locked into our 925+, they can decide at any point to significantly increase the price of the drives or stop selling certain sizes that meet our existing budget. Who knows.

        There are too many unknowns here and for that reason, it’s obvious we need to look elsewhere.
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      402. If they planned the compatible list they would have at least some drives on it when announcing the units , they just wanted to wait if there would be a backlash. I skip synology for a while, will buy the unas and backup my old synology to that.
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      403. I bought a Synology NAS last year. As long as they do not mess with being able to do the basics I will continue to use it until I need to upgrade. But, when I need to upgrade based upon what is being reported by nearly all, Synology will not be part of my next purchase. I think they have made it very clear that DIY is not their focus going forward. If the other manufactures go the same way there is always TruNAS.
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      404. Dear Robbie, Thank you SOOOOO much. You’re the first to cover RAID FAILURE and REBUILD of Migrated systems [8:25 into your video: Test 8: RAID recovery fails with identical unverified HDD]. As soon as they announced they would allow MIGRATION, that INSTANTLY became the one CRITICAL QUESTION. You are the very first to answer. As a Mac and Synology consultant for 10+ years [and I PERSONALLY OWN 5 8 Bay Synology 18XX+ series servers]. This is the MOST IMPORTANT THING. And an ABSOLUTE DEAL BREAKER. Obviously NASs are about 2 things
        – PROTECTING your data from Drive Failure
        – Understanding that the drives in theses systems ABSOLUTELY [eventually] will fail
        – Allow ing you to RELACE Drives when they do fail.

        Since ALL my Synology servers [and ALL my clients] have AT LEAST 1 20 to 24 TB drive in EVERY unit they own, this is INFURIATING… and ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. Either Synology has to:
        – STOP ALLOWING MIGRATION
        – Allow Migration and Replacement with UNVERIFIED DRIVE
        – SHIP reasonable price “PLUS” [NOT Enterprise] 18, 20 and 24 TB drives.

        They HAVE to comply with the above, I NEVER get mad, I’m a 1984 Mac Consultant who smiles and laughs all the time. I’m a professional poet & beer vlogger.. I do NOT get angry.. almost NEVER. I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS and this thing you have discovered of NOT ALLOW FOR a RAID to be REPAIRED when a drive fails.

        Thanks for discovering this.

        – Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ ????Professional????Poets & Bed ???? & Beer???? Vloggers ]
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      405. Well, if you’re a home user especially, why even try and deal with all the verified current and future compatibility issues that may come up? There are just too many other options available to keep jumping through the Synology hoops, and they are better and usually cheaper. For the home and small business user, look elsewhere, which is jus what Synology wants those users to do anyway.
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      407. all this because they don’t care about their core base and want to focus more on enterprise. when I don’t see why any enterprise would choose them over a JBOD + controller
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      408. when you got your glasses on your head, we know you been busy. Seriously though, thanks for reaching out on Reddit and confirming your strategy and taking on feedback for additional tests. All of this is incredible. And some of folks learned what BOSH means.
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      411. something important: the “unverified” status will override drives that have isues too, so if a disk is in critical status it will say “unverified” instead, very hard to actually know which drive it is, only indicator is the orange light, since the usual “disk critical” popup also didnt show for me.
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      412. Someone was obviously bored up at $ynology HQ and thought, “how do we get the new rigs out there but pay less for advertising”
        I bet you they switch back to how it was up to a point.
        Tenner says they do????

        But even without all that. Why would you go from a 920 or 923 with all the perks that come with them?????
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      413. I am happy to say that late last year (having got fed up of waiting for a newer version) I purchased a DS1522+ and migrated the 6tb drives from my aging DS1415. No problem . I added a 16tb Ironwolf & then have since replaced 2 of the drives with 16tb Ironwolf, all no problem. Had I hung on for a 5 bay 2025 model I’d clearly be stuck with no choice but Synology drives. I’ve always used Ironwolf or Toshiba NAS srives and never had an issue.
        The cyncic in me says that Synolgy want all my money not sust some of it ????
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      414. Instead of all this work, why you just don´t ask, you still trust Synology? That is the main issue because all of this can change at short notice dependent on theirs greediness mode.
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      419. You haven’t been able to mix HDD and SSD in a pool for a long time now. My guess is the unsupported SSD thing will change when the new slim model comes out.
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      422. Worth noting too that RAID recovery would be impossible if you’re migrating say 24TB drives of which Synology doesn’t have such higher capacities. I’d be very interested to see how they might reply to this
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      425. I need an advice. I have a DS918+ with 4 x 4TB WD Reds in SHR1. I’m getting short on space, but otherwise I’m very happy with it. I need to do something, and I don’t know what. New DS925+ (with new disks unfortunately) or other model or extra DX517 (I have 5 x 3 TB WD Reds that I can use, 4 from an old DS413 and 1 extra one as an external HD for a PC). I think a DX517 in my case is more sensible, especially because I already added RAM and SSD cache on the DS918+ but I might have missed something so, any advice ?
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      427. This will all but eliminate use of re-certified enterprise drives. Locally, the cost of a DS925+ with 4x HAT5310 8TB Synology Drives, is 40% more expensive than a DS923+ with 4x re-certified 16TB enterprise grade WD drives (which include a warranty and local support). 40% more expensive with HALF the raw capacity. Nuts.
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      430. Have 2 of their devices now, but unless they change their policy, won’t be using another one. May go build myself a NAS in the future and try HexOS…
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      433. so if I use the migration method to move my old WD drives to the new 925+ or 1525+ and then one of WD drives fails, then would I have to then use a Synology drive to replace the failed drive? Seems like a weird question to ask but it seems relevant for now
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      434. I don’t think Synology understands their user base, it’s not mums and dads buying their products like Apple products. This is not even mid hardware, this is like they’ve gone through someone else’s recycle bin from 2020. The HDD lock in is just taking the piss at that point. It just seems like they are trying to lose customers, considering all the new options starting to surface, especially with the rise of AI. They need to get their head out of their ass and get back in the game.
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      435. Hello! I’m looking into getting my first NAS (or DAS) and I’ve already done a fair bit of research, but I still have a lot of questions, more then I can fit in the “Free NAS advice” form on your website. I see that there’s a way to pay for a faster response, but is there a way to get paid advice that would permit a larger/longer set of questions or a back and forth conversation, in addition to or instead of a faster reply?

        Thank you!
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      437. If you just want a NAS and already have Ubiquiti hardware, the UNAS Pro is excellent. Synology releasing a product that doesn’t support 3rd party drivers is unforgivable. All other manufacturers support ALL drives so why not Synology? They’ll be out of business within a year hopefully.
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      440. I have no problem with them locking down their system. What i wanna know is will it support transcoding for Plex server installation? I mean hardware and software transcoding.
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      441. So I’m curious what percentage of Synology’s customer base are home/hobby users? It’s not like these guys started by building enterprise servers. Seems pretty stupid to flip off the consumers using NASs at home. Why not follow so many successful tech companies that have both consumer grade equipment and enterprise grade equipment? This is just like Plex tearing apart our home media player into separate pieces to make our player into an app that merges all of the external streaming services into a single app. Why didn’t they make a new app? What is wrong with these tech companies? I guess I just don’t understand the market. Fair enough. I’m done with Synology. They simply don’t deserve my loyalty. I got none from them.
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      443. What I don’t like is in an emergency, I can’t throw another similar drive that is not official, so I have to buy a couple of extra Synology branded drives for backups even if I have perfectly good ones laying around. Screw this, this is a pain because I do use Surveillance Server…good thing I only bought one extra license. I wish Blue Iris supports ARM so I can build an energy efficient NAS/Cam server.
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      444. I think I’m going to keep my current Synology for regular backup for my family member due to its simplicity with its app. But I’ll buy another brand for nas with higher performance with less hardware limitations
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      446. Well, NO! As a consumer and a customer, we must send a clear message. Just no. This policies and simply bullshit. The HAT drives are like 50% in price, without adding ANY VALUE at all and they are not available at higher capacties (3.5. i checked and 16TB is the highest capacity – are we a joke to Synology?) Also, as i am also a part of corporate, if we dont stand now, we dont stand ever. So just “SAY NO” and go QNAP or UGREEN, or literally any other brand, just to make them suffer. Nothing else will make them change their mind. We have so many examples in the history of succesful brands making stupid moves and biting the dust. Seems that Synology mightt be another one in the line…
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      447. Garbage product from a garbage company. And tbh if NAS’s where not a niche, the EU would have eaten these c*nts for breakfast long before they got to launch this PoS dumpster fire.
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      448. Everything is fine. It’s a pity that your way of speaking is “Run Forest, run” ???? And I hope Synology will lose a lot with its new “compatibility policy”
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      449. At 28:20, you mention they removed 10gbe in order to upsell the DS1525, which will have 10gbe option. Has that been confirmed? I thought the rumor was that the 1525 would NOT have 10gbe?
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      452. Thanks for your summary review of an actual 925+. I have been planning to upgrade from my old Netgear ReadyNAS units and based on what the older 923+ offered hoped to enter the Synology ecosystem with a more recent model. But the 925+ is a disaster – no 10Gbe upgrade path, drive lockin on HDD’s and NVMe’s – I can’t afford to invest a substantial sum for such a restricted hardware platform when there are other open systems with better hardware and s/w that is almost DSM waiting in the wings. No amount of dangling the possibility of expanding the approved hardware list will convince me to buy Synology now.
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      453. So if I upgrade from my current DS920+ and DX517, can I just swap my drives in the DS920+ to the DS925+ and then use a USB-c to eSATA adapter to use my existing DX517?
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      455. Synology feels like most other tech companies nowadays that have been dominant for ages and have created an ecosystem that customers cannot or will not move on from and as a result those companies stop innovating. It always ends badly.
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      460. Synology can get fucked
        clowns, I can no longer recommend them business wise
        what happens if I can’t get a drive(s) for replacement at a client, the client gets fucked … yes!?
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      462. What a great new release from Synology! I started to run out of space on my old 2-bay DS218play, so I started looking at upgrades, and after seeing their new line, I knew for certain I’ll go elsewhere. Ended up with a DIY NAS with Unraid. Thank you Synology for making my decision easy!
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      463. What about moving shr volume pool disks (non synology) from old synology nas to ds925+ and replacing one for rebuild (also non synology). Is it allowed by the system? Will it rebuild?
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      464. Synology needs a reward for how to tick off a loyal customer base in record time ????. As a long time Synology user on my 3rd NAS, I’m replacing my Ds418 with a Ugreen which is arriving next week ????????. I’m willing to live with less polished software or install Truenas or Unraid if I WANT to. Good luck to Synology from here ????????
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      465. Switched to diy earlier this year after 3 synology’s. You outgrow them eventually anyway i think, but synology is making the switch easier every year 🙂
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      468. Just working on a follow up article and video testing different Unverified HDD and SSD NAS scenarios (boot, expansion, migration, recovery, etc). You can follow the Synology 2025 NAS Series 3rd Party Drive Compatibility Test Article here – https://nascompares.com/guide/synology-2025-nas-series-3rd-party-drive-compatibility-what-works-what-doesnt-right-now/
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      470. I had a Synology like … 13 years ago. Replaced it by a DYI linux-based server 10 years ago which is still working today (it’s due an upgrade this year). I’m NEVER going back to a proprietary solution, even less so one that even restricts what kind of additional hardware I can put in.
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      473. Just curious one thing I didn’t see in the video is testing 3rd party ecc sodimm modules and seeing if it would boot or not. If you can maybe clarify if it would or wouldn’t that would be great thanks
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      475. I used PLUS models simply because anything else were slow as hell at that time when I bought them, not because I’m using it for enterprise use case. I just use NAS just for home data stockpile and backup. GG Synology. You guys were great. Not anymore.
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      476. ECC but no ZFS, old CPU, 2×2,5GBit but no possibility to upgrade to 10GBit, expecting the usual pricing, no third party HDs? I do not understand the strategy behind except of completely getting rid of all private customers -> too bad, after 2 decades, good bye Synology
        But thanks for the video!
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      478. Synology are OTW to garnering a lot of HATE. Remove USB support instead of giving warnings, but allowing people to use it. Destroying DS Video which is looking better and better now that plex have decided to piss off its users, and now the HDD scandal. Removing 10GBe support was idiotic. I do NOT need a new NAS currently – partly as i have 6 of their older ones, but will not be considering them again for a very very long time. Xpenology is looking very intriguing now. I suspect many people will be looking at it a lot more closely. Hopefully Synology ave a Jesus moment and repent. As they have sucker punched those of us who used to rave about them and recommend them to everyone we knew in business. I have nothing but contempt for this company now.
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      479. I will wait to see how they add 3rd party HHD’s to the compatibility list, but if it doesnt open up equitably … I AM DONE with Synology and very interested in alternate products.

        Synology, wake up and realize this is a bad idea. This isnt some Adobe Ps subscription model where you see dollar signs if you force users to capitulate … unlike Adobe, Synology has multiple equal competition … which means this is just dumb. Back down and call it a mistake, or we will on mass … leave.

        The only way it will work, is if Synology drives are up to 20% cheaper than equal Seagate or WD drives. That is really only the way this will work.
        … not likely. Synology is showing that they only see its customers as victims of cash sucking.

        The software argument is not as user friendly unique, as it used to be. Ya need to look around at your competition.
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      481. 916+ just died, I’m almost forced to buy a 1522+ to recover my data. Horrible timing. 

        I have a full Unifi setup at home. I wish I could buy the Unifi NAS Pro, but I want to get my data out of the Synology.  I have an offsite backup of everything on BackBlaze, but still don’t want to risk going to a backup solution when I have these HDDs … I’m worried about data degredation, so I’m going with paying Synology my $$$ just to get my data.  

        I will upgrade to Unifi NAS Pro MAX once it comes out and has a stronger CPU more RAM, because I want to put SSDs in that guy to actually take advantage of the 10GbE.
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      482. Can you go into a deep dive with the Synology Software? I’ve been looking at getting a NAS for a while for my small office (2 people, max 5 TB storage for CAD/design work plus surveillance for the office.) I’ve looked at Synology DS925+ and it seems like its software is pretty robust but my small business is running on Unifi and I’m also considering the UNAS as well. Which would you recommend?
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      484. Folks are rage-quitting for UGreen. But I don’t see anyone posting videos that UGOS is way better than DSM. Or TrueNAS is so much better. This feels like all the people moving to Canada if a certain President is elected. But no one actually moves. ????
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      485. Finally migrated from my old workhorse to a new NAS. Looked at Synology long enough to know that vendor lock-in is an immediate disqualification. I understand that (perhaps) they want to reduce support overhead and troubleshooting complexity by forcing users into standardized drives (conveniently from Synology). But continued lackluster performance and the apparent restriction on after-market hardware is a good way to put yourself out of business.
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      488. I think 2 things # This was a typical fence sitting BS Robbie review …a 6 year old CPU? No 10GBe …it is a complete piece of crap hardware wise … #2 Who else has locked down their ecosystem? …hmmmm members only ??? Get stuffed Robbie you are nearly as bad as Synology these days
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      490. The only efficient thing about that cpu is the price to Synology. Its gen 1 embedded Zen. Gen 2 and 3 exist and are more power efficient, made smaller, and run cooler.
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      493. I’m gonna save everyone 30 mins. F—K Synology, go buy something else. That’s all
        NASCompare you shouldn’t be reviewing anything Synology anymore! Don’t support the BS!
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      499. I have a DS414 with 3x 2TB and 1x 4TB drives. I’ve been wanting to update to a new NAS but waited for 2.5Gb ethernet. Now though, I don’t know what to do. I’d want to use my existing drives but with a clean install. I can’t afford 4x new 4TB Synology drives on top of the NAS unit itself. I only really use the NAS for file storage and Surveillance Station (I have one paid for camera licence I’d need to transfer over somehow). Are there other NAS units from other manufacturers that have the camera surveillance?
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      502. Not so sure the chassis is good for noise.. I just updated last week from a DS416j to a DS923+ (because I didn’t want the 925+, as I use Ironwolf drives) and the noise is considerably higher from the drives, fan noise is fine, but drive noise is probably 6dB louder.
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      507. this new machine is 6 years too late.
        Forcing the Buyer to buy extremely expensive hardware that is cheaper and better on the market (on top of that from the original manufacturer) makes no sense. It would be fair to take this step back and sell the software in return.
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      509. I don’t mind the closed solution in general. But what I mind is that Synology doesn’t manufacture hard drives or ssd‘s, they are simply taking away the transparency and comparability for me. They may start with a quality oem product, but who give me the guaranty that this will stay like this? And where is the advantage for the buyer? I know that my ironwolfes and 990 pro are a good choice at the moment. And if they don’t deliver in future I can see that and change. I can’t do that with Synology branded hard drives or ssd’s. at the same time the competition is catching up with their software. We have several QNAPs in use, I don’t have a problem with it. I am not using their remote access and I deactivate the admin account which comes with the system. If I need remote access I can use a VPN. So for me Synology is no longer on the shortlist
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      510. Bad policy for Synology, compatibility list should be extended to 3rd party. This is not good for anybody annd their reasoning is a load of crap. Imagine if HDD supply chain is suffering, you can’t just pick up another HDD and restore your system.
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      511. They should sell their OS and stop making hardware, and they are well on their way to doing so, we can see that this tin can serves as a showcase for their software, a bit like Linux distributions known for running on Pentium 3.
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      513. I’m looking to replace my ds918+, but since Synology has decided to go full villain, someone else will be getting my money.

        I hope that they go bankrupt and someone else buys the company and returns to the old ways .

        Meanwhile, bye bye Synology.
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      515. “even with hard driver you will still hit a bottleneck even if you use smb multichannel”
        What? How?
        With 7200rpm HDDs in RAID 0 u get 300mbit (less then that IRL).
        You can easily exceed that with SMB multichannel with two 2.5gig nicks
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      516. So many better solutions today, bye Synology. Same old story though, scrappy tech company has good ethos and hardware/software/prices supporting customers while gaining market share. Within 15 or less years gets overconfident and greedy, hardware/software/support starts to take a back seat to profit and then they lose market share becoming niche, sold off, or die. NEXT!
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      517. 28:13 “more refined compatibility listing” Why use such marketing language? The compatibility has not been “refined”, it has been severely “restricted”. Come on, you are better than this.
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      518. 27:41: “Synology needs to be clear about the messaging…” Messaging is not the problem. The anti-consumer policies are the problem. The new hard drive lock in is just the latest in a series of anti-consumer steps. I bought two Synology units before the company went crazy, but will not consider them in the future anymore. Anyone buying an underpowered and overpriced Synology unit today will do it at their own peril. Why wouldn’t Synology continue to remove features for which customers have already paid for like the codecs or USB driver support they removed to save a few pennies on licensing fees?
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      520. What about migrating a DSM 7.1.1 raid array to the 25+ series NAS?
        Many users need to upgrade from DS1813+ to DS1825+ now when the software update support for DSM 7.1.1 ends in a month.
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      522. 18:03 “But for new users, this is all nothing” (paraphrased). Of course it matters to new users as well, which options they have. New users won’t be able to choose the manufacturer they trust most. They won’t be able to buy the drives that are available in their region, are on sale, etc. They won’t be able to use drivers larger than those Synology supports and the moment the largest Synology drives are not very large. Finally, even new users will be forced to pay the Synology tax on hardware, they could buy from the OEM (Toshiba?!) for less money.
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      523. Where is a proper Synology Server, that uses 30w like my ds220. Well the first Synology that is feeling Borring ????. Like minimal ports, no cheap HDD options, limited expansion. NO home user wants to pay 1000s for some photos and movie server. Call me when it is 500$ with drives included????. And i have Synology no plan to upgrade this way.
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      524. Well, I have been using Synology for the last 10 years, not anymore, they have stopped in the past, new models with 2.5gbs NICs, where is the full NVMe NAS solution with 10GBs NICs? im not even talking about the CPU.
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      525. The CPU is better than the previous one, but does not support transcoding, which is a big drawback for anyone wanting to use the NAS as a media server. For anyone just wanting reliable storage, there are much more cost effective NAS options available.
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      526. 7:44 “2.5 Gbps, an upgrade on this and maintaining that similar price point, is something to be applauded”. No, absolutely not. It is something to not boo at. Removing the 10 Gbps option at the same time, annuls any credit the company might have received for finally not repeating the embarrassing 1 Gbps connections. Call a spade a spade please. Anyhow, with their drive lock in policy, on top of all the other lock in, and Synology removing features and apps from DSM, it does not really matter how much the hardware is (still) behind competitors anymore.
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      527. I’ve been a Synology owner for 9 years and have been anxiously awaiting the release of a new 4-bay for a year at least. But recycling the same CPU they’ve been using since the x21 series and blocking DSM install + future upgrades using even high-quality NAS drives like WD Red Pro has left me very disappointed. At the higher capacities Synology-branded hard drives are so much more expensive than WD’s NAS line that Synology drives are no longer a viable option.
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      528. As a home user, not allowing third-party drives is a deal breaker. Choice is the answer. If I choose to take the risk, then it is my choice. I hope they change their mind. I know they make a lot of money on their own branded drives, but it is up to the community to stand up to them and stop buting their hardware.
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      529. There’s a script on github from user 007revad named Synology_HDD_db which is able to add currently installed drives to compatibility list on the fly. It also checks it on every boot in case DSM update overwrites the list. It would be great if you could test the script on DS925+. It won’t allow to initialize the OS, but I wonder if it would allow to create a volume on not officially supported drives.
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      530. I’ve been using Synology nas s for over 10 years . I got a little two bay ugreen nas the other day and I’m very impressed .And I’m thinking of replacing my ds918+ with a ugreen dxp4800 pro now .
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      531. I had a DS2419+ with expansion unit. So place for 24 drives. I never did and never will buy any Synology drives. Sold my units and have gone full Unraid on HL15 systems of 45HomeLab.
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      532. For years, Synology was a reliable choice for me and many of my customers—simple, intuitive, and stable.

        However, over time, Synology’s hardware began to fall behind. Sluggish CPUs, insufficient memory—until the point where I could no longer support virtualization on high-end Synology NAS systems. And these were expensive systems.

        Synology continued to release devices with underpowered processors and limited RAM, while also failing to adopt higher ethernet speeds. That’s where they lost me—and my customers.

        At first glance, their new hardware seemed promising. But then came the restrictive policies. Synology now requires me to purchase their proprietary disks. Sorry, but I prefer to choose my own.

        How do I explain to a customer that, after a system crash, their NAS only accepts Synology-branded disks and refuses others from reputable manufacturers? How do I tell them—while their business is at a standstill—that they must wait three days (example only) for Synology disks before they can resume operations?

        The customer will decide for themselves. This leaves me no choice.

        Anyway, thanks again for another excellent review.
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      536. Sorry but I must say that I don’t think it’s necessary to read any reviews about Synology products again because I believe many customers will not accept their BS policy and will not buy it again
        The old hardware was too outdated in the first place so there was nothing worth seeing, and now there was no need to know it.
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      539. The fact that they are so anal about not letting you use non tested drives is ridiculous. Just give the user a one time warning on initialization that your disks is not on the certified list and let it be with that. In 99% of the cases there will be no problems.

        On another matter .. I have seen several cases of different NAS systems or NAS boards where they Specify a max of eg a 4 disk system 4x 16Tb. Is this just non updated data or is there any problems if buying the newest biggest drives that afaik atm Sata Disks at least go up to 24 TB dependent on brand when your choosing an enterprise drive like eg. EXOS. Is there a hardware or software limit on some NAS OS’es or systems ? I mean why would I buy eg 4 fairly low capacity drives of eg 4-8tb a piece that I will want to update in a year or 2 when I can typically with 4x24gb drives can get a much better tb/money ratio and have around 60 tb with 4 24tb drives in raid 5 that will last me an eternity … or at least very long before I run out of space ????
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      542. I’ve always had Qnap and Synology. Unfortunately, it’s been aging out. The straw that broke the camels back was the lock in drives. I went reluctantly with Ugreen and I have been surprisingly happy with it. I have also been keeping my eye on the Minisforum 5n pro.
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      545. Synology angered the wrong folk. The IT folk who told small and medium sized enterprises to take a chance on them ten years ago.

        None of us will recommend them again after half a decade of software packages falling way behind and causing compliance issues, weak hardware for the faster networks now, the push toward their subscription services, and … the drive thing.

        Rebranding someone else’s disk and calling it “compatible” when your compatibility list was behind by years and years wasn’t the correct fix.

        Bye Synology. I can build customers far better in a low cost low power server chassis. You WERE the value proposition when you kept software up to date and let us use whatever drives we were willing to use based on customer needs.

        We did it because you made a nifty Linux box we didn’t have to faff around with. Now it’s better to build again.
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      547. happy I went with the DS923+ in March. It’ll work as a fileserver as intended for the rest of the time I run my business with DSM doing what it does best. But in the meantime I’m learning about all the other options and once it becomes less mission critical I’ll be homelabbing the next option.
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      549. i got one (not plus) and was annoyed that vm was not working / cpu weak … like the software otherwise … how much more expensive is the system with the approved drives … are you taking it in the rear”?
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      550. Don’t forget that now it’s not anymore a ~600€ device you can break the biggy bank to buy and put you’re existing drives in and go on as you go. Double that to a 1200€ bare minimum price entrance that will get you ~6TB usable, as you have to buy the drives to go with it. So any “on budget DIYers” that want to slowly adopt the ecosystem are now out of the equation.
        Way to go Syno *clap clap clap*
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      552. There might be one good reason for the Lockdown of Drives, but Synology needs to communicate it. At the moment there are lot of counterfeit drives around. Drives with 20k + hours are bought cheap and then resetted and sold as “low milage” drives. Those drives issues are falling back on Synology especially when they can’t read out the farm value of Seagates etc. When you buy a certified Seagate drive you are only 10% cheaper then a Synology drive. As example i see right now a certified Ironwolf Pro 12TB for 290€, a Synology 12TB for 310€ and a Seagate Iron Wolf Pro 12TB for 250€ with an “Enterprise” sticker from a Marketplace, which is most likely counterfeit. Thats the only good reason for locking down the HDD, but Synology should communicate it. I am lucky and just bought a DS 1621+ so it won’t bother me for a while.
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      554. I’ve been eagerly holding out for news of some refreshed rack mount models for a while now, but I’m so p*****d with the news that they are only allowing their own branded HDDs in the 2025 models, that I’ve decided to vote with my wallet and have just this week ordered a pair of QNAP TS-832PXU-RP-4G units instead. I’m not going to support a company who behaves like this.
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      557. Minisforum N5 Pro NAS is coming! -> this one looks very interesting
        ⚙ Key Highlights of N5 Pro:
        ???? Powered by AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX PRO 370
        ???? 96GB DDR5 ECC Memory – Error correction for ultra reliability
        ⚡ Native PCIe x16 Slot – Expand with GPU, storage, or networking
        ???? 10Gbps + 5Gbps LAN – Blazing fast connectivity
        ???? Dual-fan cooling, compact industrial design
        ☁ Runs MinisCloud OS with ZFS Snapshots, Docker, AI albums & more
        ???? Built-in NPU with 50 TOPS AI compute power
        ???? Supports Linux, Windows, and open-source NAS platforms
        ???? Modular design for easy DIY upgrades
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      559. am I the only one desperatly waiting for the QNAP TS-h765eU review? Seriously hyped by your video from computec. Now it’s out for a couple of month and still no review. How come?
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      569. Hm i think if you want something to compare with the same software Feature you go with QNAP, ugree und also Terramaster are from the software not at the level like Synology or Qnap in my eyes and i have some Terramaster 424 Pro.
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      572. They’ve made a system that only remains usable while the “compatible” drives are still in production, with no guarantees that they will expand that list in years to come. Good going.
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      574. Customer (and Fan) from Day 1 with the DS-101. It’s really disappointing seeing a Brand with this potential going the wrong path the last Years. Mismanagement at it’s finest. No innovation, middleclass Hardware, restrictions everywhere. The only pro is (was) the OS, but now it’s definitely Time to switch to other Brands that are willing to give good Customer Experience. Sadly true
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      576. VOC has no place at Synology. They will rue the day that arrogance ran marketing and ignore the impact of this on the customers. If they devoted their energy to make the software best in class they work lead the competition. Alas, the beginning of the end Thank you, cheers.
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      579. i was SO Close to buying Scamology, but, NO MORE!! don’t like, don’t support their business practices. UGreen baby…way more bang for the buck!!!
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      580. The review looks like a paid review, like it’s no big deal, you can buy disks, I suggest you unsubscribe from the channel for such a positive review of synology devices.
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      584. Thanks for the review and especially for that you tried the DSM initialization using different disks. So… All in on Truenas Scale and a DIY build! 🙂 In the case Truenas Scale Community Edition goes away, I will just use plain Debian. I will never lock myself in once again. I own a DS214 and DS920+ at the moment, and can’t wait to get rid of them. ( I will probably keep the DS214 as a relic, too old anyway 🙂 )
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      585. Adjust your lipsync, please. Would make it much more professional. Don’t use Bluetooth speaker to edit the videos and verify with built in speakers only (like laptop or tablet).
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      587. Question for your follow-up video: If you start by migrating non-Synology branded drives from an older Syno NAS to the 925+, what happens when you try to hot swap or upgrade them? Can you hot swap or upgrade using IronWolfs or WD Reds, or are you then required to go to Synology branded drives?
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      588. Synology: We have a robust OS and even if we keep on releasing Celeron based machines, people will buy it!
        Synology Sales Department: But we can increase our profits by selling our own drives!

        Jesus. I bet you the next dick ass move they’d be doing is backporting this restriction to old devices.
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      589. As usual , thanks for the FANTASTIC video. I am a 1984 Mac Consultant and veteran who has a half dozen Synology clients with MANY 8-bay Plus units from DS1812+ to DS1821+. And I also PERSONALLY have 5 8-bay units at home. Sweetie & I are BEER VLOGGERS and you need big RAIDS to vlog beer [haha]. Anyhow, it is GREAT news that they will let you migrate to a new unit. I personally have two DS1813+ that DESPERATELY need to be migrated. So great to hear I can do that. BUT, what happens is AFTER a DiskStation is migrated to a DS1825+ and a drive fails. Will you still be able to REPLACE a failed drive with a Seagate IronWolf Pro? This is ESSENTIAL to know in advance for proper planning. And also it is REQUIRED in my and my client deployments. ALL of my personal and client deployments have AT LEAST one 22TB or 24TB drive installed. And as we know Synology caps their NON Pro drives at 16TB. So that would mean TOTAL DATA DISASTER if a drive failed in a MIGRATED 2025+ [that has 22TB & 24TB Ironwolf drives]. Can you ask your sources this critical question? Thanks so much! And, as always, thanks for ALL the great videos.
        – Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie [ ????Professional????Poets & Bed ???? & Beer???? Vloggers ]
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      590. I’ve purchases some unreliable NAS solutions in the past and was so happy to have found my way to Synology many years ago. I now own four of them not including the ones that I recommended for purchase by my employer. I am saddened to see the tides change with Synology and not looking forward to starting a new search for a new reliable NAS solution that checks all the right boxes. Thankfully this time around the NASCompares channel exists to help with that journey. Thanks for all the reviews, comparisons, and everything else you do! Exceptional work!
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      591. I seriously doubt Synology is making a loss or just breaking even on this hardware. They’ve used the same chassis for years, dropped 10GbE connectivity and replaced 1GbE Ethernet with 2/5GbE Ethernet at an additional cost to them of probably under $10. What you’re paying for, what you’ve always paid for with Synology, is DSM.
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      593. Really wanted to get a Synology but had to Go Qnap I agree They are going down the wrong path . As i always say pick what works for you but they do have a great product wish they would change there mind on the Drives
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      594. Completely agree with fellow commenters, Synology is running in exactly the opposite direction of success. I still have an old 1812+ serving up files offline and haven’t deployed any other brands since. Unfortunately, this is ridiculous and there are so many more good options than there were when I installed my first Synology box.
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      595. if its the HDD firmware that controls compatibility, i wonder if there are tools out there to copy over firmware of compatible to non compatible drives so they can get detected esp if the drive are basically the same bar the firmware.
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      597. It’s always hilarious to me when brands are so sure they’re King and start doing anti-consumer/anti-choice stuff like denying other drives. I get it, there is some argument that they control quality and reduce support costs or whatever. Reality? People care approximately 100x more that they can use whatever drives they want then some marginal promise of better support-ability. Hardware aside (which is just really lacking for a long time compared to competitors), their policy decisions and inability to respond to feedback from the people that pay them will kill the company. Mark my words.
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      599. Oh Synology… no innovation and behind the times imitation… Nope you’ve lost me, time for a self build… shame the DSM software isn’t the worst ????
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      603. So in other words Synology says fu to customers. This seals it I was looking at replacing my ds1815+ what i know right know is it will not be an anti consumer over priced synology device.
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      604. 20:55 Wait, did I just hear Robbie mention Emby?!?!?

        Operator: “911 What’s your emergency?”
        Citizen: “Yeah this guy is on the ground. He mentioned something about a Emmy or Emby and said the name Robbie and then he fainted, I think”
        Operator: “Can you check if he has a pulse? We’re getting a few of these calls today. DId he have a Youtube video playing?”
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      605. After seing what route Synology is taking I wont buy anything from them.But have been looking at Asustor 4 AS5404T I think that might be a good option…any thought about that one ?
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      608. I was waiting for the newest Synology hardware to come out before getting on board. I’m changing my mind and going for UGreen after trying and being happy with their DAS.
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      610. If I want complete control over my hardware and software, I’ll build my own NAS. Maybe Synology should just supply these units pre-populated and ready to run out of the gate as a NAS appliance. This would help to manage people’s expectations and make their motives more transparent.
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      611. Planned to buy 2 DS295+
        Reliability is key, bfrs, mature software.
        I don’t care for old cpu and only 2.5g nic.
        Have working old Synology and never any problem.

        Disk compatibility situation is disturbing.
        I’m not yet giving up on a Synology, but I’m delaying any decision on purchase until there is more information on compatibility on certified 3rd party drives.
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      615. Locking out third party drives is a non starter for me. I currently have an 8 bay 1821+ with a 10GB Ethernet connection. Would you please do a video of alternatives?
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      616. MANY THANKS — Also the insight into power consumption was useful – much higher than I realised. Bought 4 Synology units in the past . . .
        Synology – so called simple DSM – is now being contested by another vendor with very very simple OS
        Looking forward to buying a UGreen DXP8800 PLUS and installing TrueNAS
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      619. I’m hugely disappointed by Synology move, and I was considering replacing both DS920+ and RT2600ac devices soon.
        I will never buy any new Synology device until they change their mind, apologize, publish more consumer-friendly policies and deploy updates to their device to bring any 3rd party drives / periphericals.
        If you have hope Synology would put 3rd party drives in their list, I’d say: NEVER buy tech products based on promises of future updates, NEVER.
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      623. I saw you mentioned that you can bring drives across from an older system. Perhaps difficult to test, but it would be interesting to see if you would be able to exchange a failing “non-supported” drive with a replacement “non-supported” drive, or if you’re then forced to use a Synology branded one.

        At this stage, if Synology would be interested in selling DSM licenses without their device restrictions, I’d be tempted. I still very much like working with DSM.
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      624. Obsolete hardware, locked to their brand hard drives. I’m done. Going to refresh my 2 old Synology NAS to another brand. There are better options out there for hardware. Synology .. you just shot yourself in the foot. The internet doesnt’ forget.
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      625. for me, personally, after the whole drive compatibility and locking out and stuff… for new clients or first time buyers: DON’T! There are several options available, so avoid synology as the plague if you value your freedom. No matter the state of the software, you should not be agreeing with the locking (out) polacy. For existing users with either synology drives, or 3rd party ones that are fairly young: if you have to buy, then I guess you have to. Just keep in mind that since they pulled the stunt with the drives now, it’s always a possability they’ll lock out older gens of their drives eventually… They never said they won’t, so…
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      626. I’m no longer buying any Synology products, they removed all freedom of using any drive you want, they removed 10gbe, removed igpu’s, removed many first party apps and removed support for third party usb devices like Ethernet adapters

        What a terrible way to go.

        I’m in the mids of creating my 16 core threadripper unraid server (I might also try truenas before committing to unraid) where I have as much freedom as i want to use any hardware I want.

        I also have a ugreen dxp4800 plus which is so much better in terms of hardware
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      627. The USB Type C for the DX525 expansion unit seems to be a Thunderbolt port.
        It would make sense as it will allow direct access to PCI-ex lanes, and obviously faster than eSATA.
        Considering Synology put a screw on the connection cable, they probably want to avoid hot unplugging.
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      629. It’s a shame watching all these top Nas YouTubers tip toe around the fact that synology is going full anti consumer here. I guess they don’t want to make daddy upset. lol. These videos like this feel more like paid damage control review videos. I mean look at basically every single comment on every video regarding synology in the last few weeks. It’s pretty clear what the general public thinks of this. It’s funny seeing Linus being the only tech personality with an actual backbone to call it for what it really is and not bow to this corporate machine. Imagine Microsoft waking up one day and saying that windows will only support MS branded Hard drives or hardware. No person should support this behaviour.
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      630. I just talked to my Synology Rep ,, He Replied the following.
        No information on this side it looks like we should have more information on the hardware compatibility list in June!

        I then replied I would need to put any New Synology purchases on hold till Synology decides there policies.
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      631. Wow…A CPU (without GPU) from 2018, no KI Features, missarable Docker-Support, just Synology HDDs. I hope they will lose 95% of their private customers.
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      632. Sorry if I didn’t catch this in the video but what happens if you migrate from the 923+ with WD or Seagate drives to the 925+ and then replace one of the WD/Seagate drives on the 925+? I assume if won’t initialize even though it did as part of the migration?
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      633. Simple as that – ARC loader – Synology unchained working perfect. I hope Linus will do that banned video about Xpenology – they unleashed lawyer dogs on him when he was preparing it. He hates them to the core and promised never ever touch their NASes again.
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      634. I’m not buying another turnkey NAS, so it doesn’t impact me. BUT if I was. There is no way in hell I would trust a statement that we are going to expand the compatibility list going forward. Only a complete fool would assume that. No one should buy this garbage. Synology should have delayed this for a generation so they or their vendors could get a more complete compatibility list, with maybe only missing the extreme top tier stuff that may have come out between the final testing and the release of the device.
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      635. If I’m wanting to upgrade my Synology 918+ that I use mainly for plex, are there any suggestions as to where I should look. I do utilize transcoding for remote playback so that is something I will need in the new unit.
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      637. Corey Doctorow needs more credit for coining the term “enshitification.”

        I was willing to pay more for less hardware because the software was so good, but now even that is slowly eroding, and now everything is worse. They are clearly trading their past reputation for temporary profit increases. Synology will never be worthwhile again.

        I am heavily invested in the Synology ecosystem, but I will not be buying any other products from them ever again.

        3:30 Consumer-grade NAS units should use bigger fans for less noise. People use these things in homes for crying out loud.
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      638. Waited months for this to appear, very pissed off when it did, too little too late Synology, bought a Ugreen DXP 4800 Plus and very happy 4 * 8TB Seagate Iron Wolf Pro, upgraded to 64GB memory, 1TB SSD cache, brilliant.
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      641. Thank you for the review. I’ve used Synology for the last 11 years. I’m going to buy a new NAS next week and will not buy a NAS that mandates I use their own hard drives. Synology has headed down the wrong path which is highly disappointing. Going UGreen next week
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      644. This is such a terrible policy. I predict that whenever DSM 7.4 is released in a few months, Synology will backtrack on this entire scheme.
        Synology needs a few months and a few financial reports to realize this compatibility scheme was a horrible idea.
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      645. Removing usb functionality is clearly a push to cloud backups in the future. Security my a$$. My USB backups at various locations are the most secure. Glad to move on from this company’s products. It’s like they want to keep the gunned at their feet every time.
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      647. So, my currently equipped exos disks on my 8 bay Synology Nas which are on that compatibility list are now no longer compatible?!? What have Synology done for those older models to get them on the compatibility list? Was that all some show and shuffling of money and no real tests? And why are disks from vendors that say they are for enterprise nasses not automatically approved? As if those vendors don’t know what they are doing (wd red as exemption with their shingled drives). This all feels so wrong on so many levels.
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      649. I was going to buy a DS1825+ when it will be released, but I am conflicted. I was going to use Seagate Factory Refurbished harddisk, but since I may not be able to and need to spend ~$155 extra on each harddisk, I am considoring just buying the DS1821+ – The price for using Synology drives will be the whole price of the NAS in extra spend.
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      650. I have the ds920+. This will be my first and last synology. Will never buy another synology. Going DIY route moving forward when this ds920+ dies.
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      652. Stop this and support the community. Boycott Synology until they change their asinine policies. With you and other NAS channels we can force them to back down.
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      653. My ds1819+ is my last synology. I’m not seeing value in why I would upgrade to newer models. Sybokogy needs to learn it needs to show value for existing people for them to upgrade. 2.5G should have been standard years ago. 10gbit and dedicated nvme. Rack mount still doesn’t have it on the base. Over time I’ve found that I use my synology mostly as a docker host plus basic nas functions. A second hand dell R240 in my opinion beats this hands down.

        Show people the new value your devices are providing and you’ll sell more. It’s clear synology are trying to maximize their profits and reduce their costs. Compared to my existing 6 year old unit i get, slightly faster cpu, same power consumption, same noise, less network, same software. Why would i upgrade (I realize I’m not comparing the same products. While I’m interested in what the new DS1825+ I would never buy one.
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      656. Many thanks, great video 🙂

        Good box for SMBs but for home use, no. I was considering this and the DS1525, over the last 5 years, Synology has removed so many options and features since I purchased the DS systems so best I get something else 🙁

        Synology appear to be so many years behind everyone else with the hardware. As Synology has stated, they are a business appliance provider.

        I just can’t justify the additional cost of Synology branded HDD/SSD/NVMe/Memory.
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      659. Great review as always. I appreciate you tried migrating, and that the old pools and volumes mounted and worked in the new hardware. Have you tried removing a single drive from a working pool of non-synology drives, and replacing it with a like “non-synology” branded drive? I’m curious if a drive fails, can we “repair” with another non-branded drive or not. While still not ideal, would give me a little better feeling about migration if I had to do so. Though as a DS923+ user, replacing my existing unit with another DS923+ would make more sense, particularly since I have additional RAM and the 10Gb card for it. Thanks again for your videos and have a great day.
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      660. I thought Synology just been greedy and stupid, trying to monopolize SMART in a NAS system, but they just shutdown all 3rd-party drives for the new NAS, this is going full retard at max speed.

        But at some degree I understand their decision, the new gen of Chinese NAS brands are rising, there is no hope for Synology in home user market, so it’s best for them to cash in all these years of good rep while it still can.
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      661. I’ve had three Synologys over the years and been pretty happy with them overall. I only use them as file servers though. I see a lot of people here saying they will not be buying again. I’m just curious to why. Is it only the harddrive issue or do you guys have other issues with these new models?
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      662. It can be the best NAS ever created, I am not touching Synology stuff ever again and I have had 5 or 6 of their units over 15 years or so (I am still running 3 of them). The trust is gone with their anti-consumer bs.
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      663. Given for how long Synology supports old systems, you’re better off buying a DS923+. You only get a newer CPU on DS925+ but with a ton of drawbacks.
        Also I’m hoping for HexOS to pick up fast this niche where people want reliable systems with lots of features but it has to be really simple to use and set up.
        Let’s see how it goes
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      673. Mediocre hardware upgrade, removing upgrade path for 10GbE connection and final nail in the coffin – third party hardware restrictions foolery made leave this ecosystem after over 10 years. Thanks Synology for making this decision easier and easier with your shitty politics over the years.
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      677. My DS923+ was my first and last Synology. Too bad, as it’s been a decent NAS for what I need but I’ll be going back to DIY once this one is ready for replacement.
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      678. I’ll probably catch a 923+ once i can get a cheap one (new or refurbished) since i want to “upgrade” my existing 918+ and 517 solution and i really want to have the 10gbe option and i want to carry on using the old expansion bay. But that’s going to be my last Synology product i guess. When they started to partially lock out other HDD vendors it was already a bitter pill, but they are going way too far. Vendor lock in the business segment is understandable but for home users and prosumers it’s understandably a dealbreaker i’d say. The Software may be as good as it gets but the hardware and the “philosophy” of the company i don’t want to support anymore.
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      682. i’m running an old DS918+ and love it. i was given it used, as a gift, and thought Synology was a rockstar with their NAS devices (2020 or so). Now? Yeah, no , I’ll be building my own from now on. What a horrible company.
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      692. If Synology is going to hold onto a processor for a DECADE, they need to start off with processors that aren’t horrendously under-powered compared to competitors. They already removed a huge selling point for their NAS products by choosing a processor that can’t do hardware transcoding.
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      694. Heard the same story last year (2023)… Got a “temporary” NAS because I needed more space… I can likely get by for another year… but hearing the same story this year – in addition to petty HDD model warnings is making me heavily reconsider.
        Perhaps my needs and Synologys’ direction are diverging.
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      696. Looked at this unit a while back from my DS920+ but people said 2 users on PLEX and it will struggle due to the CPU doing all the work. But with the latest DSM update they are pushing the processing to the external devices does that mean the CPU will be under less load with PLEX? Most of the PLEX use is on the home network but my mum watches some of the video content remotely and often at the same time as we watch content.
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      697. I am in the market for an 8-bay nas since I am upgrading the hard disks on my ds1621xs+. I was going to get the ds1821+ until I saw this video. 4 months later and still no news from Synology. ????
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      699. 1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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      700. You won’t ‘bin it’ within 24 months. Unless it’s a TerraMaster which claimed to have a 10GB port, when in fact it seems to have been nothing more than a hole in the case labeled as if it were a port ( yes I tried their support, however that proved fruitless).That’s what happened to me, and yes I binned it. I now have an Asustor and couldn’t be happier. It’s 2.5gb port works as it should.
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      701. I found even if you dont have fast internet over 1gig getting a router that supports 2.5gbe and getting as many devices on to that on a busy network can help reduce traffic on the local network, large families and small business can benefit from a cheap upgrade to 2.5gbe as most existing Ethernet installs can be upgraded pretty easy buy buying new hardware.
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      703. Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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      710. Try as hard as I like, I can’t saturate my 2.5 gig network. I also have a 5GB fiber connection and, well… even with torrents and usenet running on NVMEs on separate router connections I’ve managed 3GB. For about 30 seconds.

        I’ve got a lot of Linux ISOs now, though.
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      714. Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????5️⃣⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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      715. My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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      716. And what if Syno will add an AI capable chip in the new 1825+ (1625+) to enhance their apps? It’s better to test that things on prosumers and small companies before going all-in 😉
        But I also think, that if they need to add something – they’ll add 2.5Gbe. If they want to up the CPU, they’ll take something from us like make extension slots exclusive to XS and up and RS+ and up 😉
        I have no hope for hardware transcoding tho 🙁

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      718. I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:

        I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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      719. I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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      722. We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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      723. I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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      727. Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.

        How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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      728. I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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      732. If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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      733. I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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      737. Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.

        Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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      738. Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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      739. I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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      740. I just want a low power cpu that doesn’t use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
        Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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      742. Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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      744. The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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      746. If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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      750. I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
        CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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      751. Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and it’s not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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      754. I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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      756. If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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      758. I am going to object to the term ” Enterprise”.
        Maybe the hardware is (or at least those big-boxes), but I have started a queste on the management of these great boxes; that is not Enterprise level in my view. As an Enterprise (or an MSP / IT Service Provider with several NAS customers) the present CMS is outdated and Active Insight is far from where it can be or should be looking at the age of it (and the fact one has to pay for it).
        Having a good/great combination of HW and SW, does not make you an Enterprise leveled vendor. The way you give the management (so that is not monitoring…) over the products. For single box installations / SOHO a really great combi, but if you manage multiple NAS boxes… It would make life SO much easier. And with Enterpise leveled management, I think Synology will boost itself in that area.

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      759. From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
        Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
        I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
        I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
        Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
        I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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      760. Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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      765. Thks,
        Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
        Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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      766. I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.

        If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.

        What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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      769. If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????

        I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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      771. i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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      772. Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?

        NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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      773. Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?

        NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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      778. This video cam out JUST in time.
        So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
        5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
        2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
        2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
        1 × 10 gb port

        Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
        Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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      779. This video cam out JUST in time.
        So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
        5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
        2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
        2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
        1 × 10 gb port

        Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
        Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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      784. In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.

        Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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      785. In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.

        Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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      790. If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).

        Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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      791. If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).

        Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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      794. Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.

        P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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      795. Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.

        P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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      798. 8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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      799. 8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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      800. Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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      801. Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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      816. When I bought a laptop a few years ago, I saw that WiFi 6e was available. I bought a 6e Intel card, only to learn that my HP laptop BIOS only whitelisted certain cards.
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      820. 1GbE will eventually go the way as single core processors. I have 10GbE in my NAS servers with 16TB of NVMe and I still can’t saturate what a 2.5GbE connection would give me.
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      823. Honestly, if you have a NAS and are using it in any serious way, 2.5Gb should be a minimum at this point. In fact, I’ve found some reasonably priced gear that’s mostly 2.5GbE, with some 10Gb SFP+ ports as well, and will probably run fibre for 10Gb connections to major switches in my house, then the 2.5Gb connections to each individual device. Is fibre overkill? YES, but I WANTED Cat6A years ago and was told “Cat5 is plenty” only to now be unable to do 10Gb. So for that magical future proofing, fibre is going in, and that should basically do the job forever, since the fibre itself can do 400Gb+ it’s just the hardware at each end that would need upgrading. Do I think I’ll ever use 400Gb… no, but 40Gb would be nice, and maybe one day I might want 100Gb, this way we never have to re-run the cables (yes conduit is amazing, and even MORE future proof than fibre, but it’s not viable in an old, existing house like ours without basically moving out for a month).
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      825. Amother chap’s youtube NAS channel says that besides upgrading devices, for 10 gbe you’ll need to upgrade to CAT6 cabling as well – and THAT is a BIG consideration, unless it’s original construction!
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      827. I purchasted the Nimbuster NAS from you in 2020 to set up my home network and it’s super slow when connected to a Netgear gigabit switch and trying to save and get files from my Mac or PC. I’ve tried to aggregate the connection from the NAS to the switch but it’s still super slow. I guess the bottleneck is in the gigabit Netgear switch. Would I have to buy a 2-5gbe switch? If so how should it be connected and set up? Many thanks for any advice .
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      829. Great reviews, keep our up. Just ordered a 1821+, knowing that the replacement model is coming soon, but got a good deal. Integration graphics was to of my list for a plex server, but will just run a separate plex server for the 4k files transcoding which ill only use remote viewing infrequently. Home direct play will be 99% need.. i nearly went for a home plex server nas build, but didn’t want the headache of it all..
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      830. o/ from the US. I recently purchased a ASUS GT-11000 pro (on sale) which has 1 x 10g and 1×2.5g ports. My WAN port on my modem is a 2.5g. I connected my 10g port to my Dlink DMS-106xt. I have my dlink connected to a simple unmanaged cisco switch in my living room that connects to my xbox, ps5, TV, and apple TV, none of which support 2.5gb only 1gb. Then I have my dlink connected to a asus GT6 that supports a 2.5g port and 3x 1gb ports. I learned that I should have bought the Zen wifi pro since it supports two 2.5gb ports. Why this matters to me? My pc supports 2.5gb and 1gb on the mobo. Now I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but since I am designing a network that suits my needs I didn’t account for that error in my budget. After buying all these things I didn’t fully think my network setup thoroughly because now I have to buy another multigig 10G port switch that likely cost 300$ USD to fix my error. I just dont have enough 10g ports now. Problems for future me.
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      832. Thank you for this video, when I renovated my place with Cat 6A cables I moved to a2 gigabit internet connection just this year, however only recently I have purchased USB 2.5 gb singles to upgrade my connections and it has been amazing, thank you for your video it was informative and helped me make the right decision to wait for a year and then move up
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      834. We don’t need discuss 2.5 GbE, 1 GbE has effectively been the standard for LANs at the edge for over a decade. Thanks to Moore’s Law, computer power doubles, every 18 months (or less), so very quickly LAN speeds need to improve by an order of magnitude (x 10) to be significant.
        What few (none?) of the network companies have realised is that computers now come equipped with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 ports and Thunderbolt Hubs. Over our PANs we are already doing 40 GbE. We need switches with TB4 ports, Fairly predictably, network equipment brands have fallen into the trap of treating 2.5 GbE as the new normal.
        The new normal is 40 GbE.
        We can do 7+ Gb over 5G mobile networks.
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      835. 2.5g isn’t futureproofing. 10g has been around for much longer than 2.5g or 5g… if you’re going to use cat5/6 cables, just go to 10g. the only reason I can think of that companies are feeding us 2.5 and 5g right now is in attempt to segregate a market that started and should be homogeneous. 10g is the way of things right now, today. but even that’s not futureproofing. if you want to futureproof, you should get 10g sfp+ switches and nics and use om3 fiber and/or dac cables to make your connections. the reason for this is that sfp+ is 10g, uses less power, and if you use fiber connections, that fiber will later be able to run 25g, 50g, and 100g (and probably more later on) via bonding multiple frequencies of laser communications together in a single strand of fiber. if you’re building a house today, put om3 in the walls and be happy. worst case scenario, you want to use one or more rj45 based network devices and you buy a 3-5 port sfp+ switch and use sfp+ to 10g ethernet modules for the devices you want to use. the biggest reasons to go with 10g: copying large files (such as videos you’ve got today with your nice video camera), photos from a dslr camera, high resolution audio recordings, backups to and from your NAS. virtual machine migrations for high availability or automatic resource re balancing for homelabbing and/or hosting of services from your home such as nextcloud, video game servers, plex server so you can store your dvd and blu-ray collection on your NAS and distribute that content to every computer, tv, phone, and tablet in your home and outside of your home when you travel, etc. and now that residential fiber is FINALLY gaining traction (I live in rural ct (I can literally walk to cows) and was just offered symmetrical 5 gigabit fiber (I took them up on the symmetrical 2g fiber because it was the same $110 I was spending on 600/25 from charter spectrum cable)), and in some other places, you can get up to symmetrical 10g now.
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      836. Just bought one, sad that price didnt drop further, forced to switch from netgear readynas which has been dying the last 20yrs. Not too impressed yet with synology hardware or the silly windows type UI and vocabulary for enterprise storage…but reliability, low cost, docker + one drive support and 8 bay + ssd cache was requirements. Almost got the newest unit which is 6 core but i dont need 10gige, just 2.5/5 multigig plus btrfs and long term support. Not sure i would be happy going with 100% vendor drives long term. Hoping this unit will last 5-8yrs. Im maxing it with pcie card, 32gb ram, 8x 10tb 7200rpm drives, and 2x 800gb m2 ssd. Hopefully, the deduplication actually works..
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      837. My ISP model is 2.5GbE, most recent motherboards are 2.5GbE, NAS more often come with the red 2.5GbE socket now. It’s a no-brainer to just get a 2.5g switch and be done with it. gigabit network is basically slowly dissapearing with the current hardware being sold.
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      839. will you notice or need 2.5 times better throughput for local file transfers vs 1gig? if you don’t do much transfers, and you are not running a time critical business(or personal req) that requires it, then probably not.

        but where it may matter is for the upcoming wifi 7 stuff will will benefit from multigig (without it, you will simply be bottlenecked. if you are going to get wifi7, get multi gig networking gear to go with it, e.g. switches, nics etc)

        homelab networking enthusiasts may also appreciate more than the standard 1gig.

        Also in 2023, a lot of motherboards nowadays have 2.5gbe. You would have to go out of your way to go for the cheapest possible motherboard to get a 1gbe port.
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      841. The issue with 2.5G is the switches… If you poke around, you can get 10GbE for the same or less than 2.5G, especially if you like old Enterprise gear as I do. I can set up 10gig for way less than I can for 2.5gig, as Enterprise skipped 2.5Gig thus it’s not around in the used market. If you need managed switches, like I do, then 2.5G actually costs more than 10gig. Since regular cat6 cables can handle 10gig speeds over shorter cable lengths, it’s less of an issue than you make it out to be.
        2.5G may be on a lot of new devices, but if the supporting hardware is more expensive than 10gig, it’s pointless.
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      842. Your talk about futureproofing really hit me. Its one of the reasons (having GbE FTTP WAN/Internet already) I was determined that when I finally paid a decent chunk for a new router, it MUST have at least 2.5GbE WAN and LAN, rather than the 2.5Gbe WAN OR LAN which seems common, and rather defeats the point IMO, as you’ve got an instant bottleneck.

        I am looking to upgrade the backhaul around my house fairly soon, as it will mean even if my NAS is still only running 1GBps, I will have full capability to max out the internet AND NAS at the same time across the network, or. if its via a machine with 2.5GbE, maximise the internet AND NAS usage at the same time, all the whilst having overhead so other devices on the network can still communicate with each other. Also means I will not be instantly having to run to upgrade equipment if I 1.8/2/2.5Gb FTTP becomes available.

        Im not expecting all of this to happen now. But it may well in the next few years, and will also give additional overhead room for shared bandwidth on the network if multiple machines are heavily active at a given time. Again, not designing around whats capable now,. but what may happen in the next few years.

        The only thing delaying the upgrade is the cost of 2,5GbE switches at the moment, multiple machines around my house already have 2.5GbE NICs, but whereas I can get GbE NICs for pennies, a 2.5GbE Switch is still over £100.
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      843. .900 Gigabit/s= 112.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust slow sata hard drive speed
        1.1 Gigabit/s= 137.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust fast sata hard drive speed
        2.3 Gigabit/s= 287.5 MegaBytes/s = generic 2.5Gbit/s Linux data rate
        4.4 Gigabit/s= 550 MegaBytes/s = a good sata ssd
        60 Gigabit/s= 7500 MegaBytes/s = some Gen 4 NVMe PCIe SSDs capable of 7500 MB/s
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      844. 10 GB network is expensive and only makes sense with fiber optic cable. 2.5GB Ethernet can use old CAT5e, CAT6 cables. It also uses less power than 10GB copper Ethernet. Unfortunately, 10GB SFP can not switch to 2.5 GB but then fall back to 1GB.
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      845. iam on my way to buy the 1821+ but i dont like that this nas doesnt support any 3rd party nvmes? does anyone have 980pros or sn770 for caching in this nas? idlike read and write cache with dual 2tb sn770. idlike download from external ssd 400-500 gb every suturday-sunday night after weddings, so i dlike this to be as fast as possible, cause we need to go sleep too. in case of a failure does this affect warranty? the cache ssds will be on raid 1 and the 6hdds will be raid 6. i dont even think of loosing any data.
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      846. I work in business and small datacenter networking, and anything between 1 and 10 Gbps does not exist. SFP, sure, they’re 1, 10, 25, 40, 100 Gbps.

        Even in my home use, I’d rather get everything on 10 Gbps than pay the barely supported premium for 2.5 or 5 Gbps, especially on managed devices.
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      854. I took your advice and went 2.5gbe and also bought a Asustor AS6702T Nas with NVME storage, I am having the easiest of times setting up the Nas it is so simple. Watching Blu-ray files from the Nas is super fast. Thanks for all your help. Looks like I’m planning for 10gbe in the near future.
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      856. Workstations have 10gbit on almost every port now USB etc. Except for the one you use the most, your network interface port. It is not overkill, it’s falling behind in my opinion. A lot of people rather have wifi for network connections nowadays cause it is surpassing their cabled network speeds and it is more convenient. If you still care to put a cable through the ceiling you better have something that makes it worth it! Large capacity NAS at the read and write speed of local SSDs.
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      857. I have 2.5GBe right now. no switch either. just added an extra 2.5g nic in my server and desktop, and have them as an additional direct NIC. updated hosts file on my server and voila, my server can be accessed at 2.5g for $50.
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      858. Hi m8, watched a good few videos regarding NAS, are you interested in a video tutorial setting up a semi cheap NAS setup with semi total noob build. I Have the parts etc, but cache disk, OS and RAID setup are still total nightmares for someone like myself still surfing channels to find a definitive answer to my questions?
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      860. I have 2.5G fiber (upgraded from 1G a couple months ago) in my house. I’m still waiting for a router with multiple 2.5G ports. Most only have it on the WAN or the LAN, but not both. Really frustrating. Hopefully that changes with the upcoming Wifi 7 routers.
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      861. Only the newest 10GbE equipment will negotiate down to 2.5 or 5 gigabit. Those speeds were not available until 2016, when 10 GbE had already been around for a decade.
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      862. I picked up a QNAP TS453D not long back to replace an older Qnap with the dreaded bad firmware update. It’s got twin 2.5Gbe ports on it but the trouble I’ve found is there’s limited routers and network switches currently available to actually utilise this feature. I even decided to update to a wifi 6 router (as I’ve got a wifi 6 laptop). While the routers got link aggregation, they’re still only 1Gbe ports. The only router that did have 2.5Gbe (ASUS) was considerably more pricey and didn’t have link aggregation either – so barely worse off having twin 1Gbe ports.
        Besides, the features only useful IF the laptop had 2.5Gbe capability too. But still OK if you’re running a few devices concurrently sending data (at least the transfer speeds aren’t bottle necked).
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      863. Wish 2.5GbE would become standard, 1GbE is way to slow these days.
        My pc has 2.5GbE, My Router has 2.5GbE, My Synology 5 bay NAS has 1GbE 🙁
        Network is only as good as the weakest link.
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      864. You touched on it, but to expand:
        You are only going to get a maximum speed equal to the weakest link in the chain.
        If your Internet and router is 2.5gbps, but your switch is 1gbps and your old laptop’s network card is 100mbps, then you will never get performance from that laptop faster than 100mbps.
        I have 300mbps ethernet and 1 PC with 1gbps LAN, and 2 PC sticks with 100mbps LAN.
        The PC sticks will only ever send/receive at a max of 100mbps to either the internet, the other PC stick, or the PC.
        The PC will only get internet of 300mbps and the communication between the PC and the sticks will be 100mbps max.
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      866. I don’t really need 2.5g everywhere , but I would like it on my core connections. sadly I cannot find a cheap 4 or 8 port switch (unmanaged) with a 2.5g uplink port and the rest as 1GB ports . If anyone knows of one , comment below.
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      867. Fun future-proofing story – built my house over 20 years ago. The town had no cable internet yet, but I still had every phone plate box run with 2 Cat 5 cables. First, wired for multiple phone lines, then DSL came. When real ISP came, 4 wires got me 100Mb speed. As we didn’t need the phone lines for dial up, over time I rewired each port to have full 8 wire 1Gb connectivity.

        At 2.5Gb, it’s only one room that needs this. My home office with multiple computers and NAS. Exactly right that 2.5 is pretty cheap to add, and my spinning drives aren’t saturating that. Unless I change to a RAID configuration on the desktop, this setup will work for quite a while.
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      868. 95% of homes have cat5e, so there’s no question of 10GbE without ripping the walls, which isn’t a problem at 2.5GbE. 95% of WiFi6 APs have 1 GbE LAN, so how do you want to use the full WiFi6 bandwidth, between laptop and NAS, laptop and internet etc. If you want to take full advantage of WIFi 6, you have to buy the most expensive AP which has, guess what… 2.5GbE LAN.
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      869. Yes but only if you buy basic nas’s, 10gbe is better , you can buy 10gbe 2nd hand switches and nics so cheaply now and often only need a switch with 2 x10 for your main pc and nas.

        1100mps is what your nas can do in a raid or with m.2 on 10gbe.

        280mps is good for budget nas’s where you have max 2 drives mech models or cheap Sata SSD’s its good to see entry level at 2.5gbe
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      872. Synology is sadly missing the Boat. I have 1 2.5 Gb Network on almost all the workstations Server, 2.5GBe I will have Fiber connect soon. Qnap and many other have Nas have 2.5Gbe , I have talked to Synology Tech Support no word on any 2.5GBe sadly Nas box after 2.5GB Fiber, will be the slowest device in the Network , Does anyone have and info on 2.5GBe from Synology
        Qnap has had it for years
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      873. Nice! Would like to see a 2.5gb video showing a setup. Maybe with connectivty to NAS devices that don’t have a 2.5gb adapter (usb or card added) and a more modern one. What Cables do i need? Virutalization station concerns? Port binding? that sort of thing.
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      874. Don’t forget to check your specs. Many early 10Gbe chipsets don’t support 2.5Gbe and 5Gbe. Buying cheaper switches may leave you stuck at 1Gbps if they don’t support the middle speeds.
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      875. I went with 2.5Gbe on my 4 bay NAS. It’s an older Asustor unit. Several computers need to access it at the same time. My Plex Server saves all DVR files there and my Transcoding setup transfers files off and back on. It really helped with congestion when streaming from Plex. I’d go up to 10Gbe with my next NAS.
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      876. I really love your videos! You explain things in such clarity just one thing, why are they so long?
        I noticed that in one of your videos you repeated the same thing 4 times (different examples) before getting to the heart of the issue.
        Can you please try to make your videos shorter?

        Thanks!
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      877. Want full 2.5/10Gb speed? Full DATA PATH upgrade is always required 🙂

        2.5Gb should be an entry data speed standard. 1Gb is to just slow for current performance of internal devices. Also 2.5Gb might be last standard that can be thermally manageable in laptops or SFF/Thin clients. 5 and 10 are just too hot. Also 5 and 10Gb are fast but use of external USB/Thunderbolt devices is not what you would call stable…
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      880. Thank you for putting this out, practical thinking is hard to do when speed is the topic. Time to stay grounded and avoiding distractions is the way for me. Lol. Cheers.
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      881. Ese atuendo me vuelve loco fukada-jpp.monster loco contigo y tienes ese cuerpo curvilíneo, hiciste un buen trabajo modelándolo también. También me gusta el último atuendo. Me encantac cómo los cinturones de liga se.
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      884. Firstly, I am impressed by your ability to count by 2.5. I have a new PC arriving today that has 2.5GbE built in. Luckily, it also has 10GbE built in. (It’s a Core i9 Intel NUC 12 Extreme.) I’ve been 10GbE in my home lab for nearly a decade, starting with a Netgear switch, progressing to as used Arista Networks switch and finally installing a Ubiquiti aggregation switch a few months ago. The Ubiquiti switch has four 25GbE ports as well, so I’ve gone an upgraded my two Dell PowerEdge servers to 25GbE with Mellanox fibre cards. I’ve upgraded my two big Synology NASes as well. The Synologys support the Mellanox cards out of the box. I consider the 2.5GbE standard a “feature” aimed at consumers to get them to buy hardware (again). 10GbE is and has been an enterprise solution for a very long time now. It’s too bad vendors have been so slow to get on the 10GbE bandwagon. A 10GbE NIC or switch shouldn’t have to cost more than a 1GbE or 2.5GbE NIC or switch.
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      888. for me convient. faster than 1 GB, cheap, works fine and none of my Hardware is bottlenecking it. Did i think about 10gig…yes, but this would have caused such an upgrade cascade….
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      889. Hi… if this device does not have embedded graphics and the 1621 doesn’t have it either, which device is the best for me to get for video editing as well as using it as a Plex server? I want to EDIT 4K video, and also have PLEX playback 1080 and 4K video as well. Is an embedded GPU necessary? What’s the alternative?
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