A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user â as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Massive credit here to reddit user âministoryâ who noticed that the Synology US website appeared to be testing product placement and the DS1825+ listing briefly appeared (see below too).
Now, if we wanted to be cautious and âbenefit of the doubtâ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ â but Synology does tend to float âtestâ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Example, via the licensing pages and download pages â which tends to only be the case for ârealâ products:
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So, the repeated emergence of the DS1825+ model ID in the last few months on our alerts, plus the appearance that was spotted by /ministory, PLUS the delay in the DS1821+ usual refresh cycle leads me to believe this is LEGIT. So, with that big old caveat out the way, letâs discuss what the DS1825+ is likely to feature in terms of hardware and why, given the existing Synology portfolio, this system has a very tough spot to fill.
What Would the Specifications of a Synology DS1825+ NAS Be?
Letâs get this out the way, we do not have 100% confirmed specifications here on the Synology DS1825+ NAS â so the following is based on the following factors:
- Leaks we have observed in Synoogy /download pages that mention specific things
- The existing Synology NAS portfolio an dhow the brand approaches refreshes
- The history of Synology and this product series, in relation to the products generally considered âaboveâ and âbelowâ it
So, straight away, here are the things we can largely guarantee:
- Usual 8-Bay Diskstation Enclosure
- 8x SATA 3.5âł/2.5âł Storage Bays
- 2x m.2 NVMe SSD Bays
- ECC Memory
- Expandability via 2x 5 Bay Expansions (possibly the new DX525 Enclosure â ID floating around)
- USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A Ports
- PCIe Upgrade slot, support 10/25GbE NICs
- Network Connectivity on the Synology DS1825+ NAS
Letâs discuss the Synology DS1825+ NAS CPU PredictionsâŠ
Now, letâs discuss the CPU! As this is something of a issue to discuss. The DS1821+ arrived with the quad core AMD embedded Ryzzen V1500B. This CPU has been in use via Synology systems for the better part of 4-5 Years (first featured on the DS1621+) and more often than not, when Synology refresh a product series, they CPU is the bit they focus on â as that is the part that is most susceptible to change by the CPU manufacturer. So, initially I would have said that the DS1825+ would arrive with the V1780B Processor (as Synology have used this in x23/x24 generation upgrades already (eg the RS2423+ here). HOWEVER, Synology have already got an 8-Bay system with the V1780B processor, in the DS1823xs+ (a 10GbE equipped 8 Bay that is around $800-1000 more than the DS1821+). I really, EREALLY cannot see Synology rolling out the DS1825+ with the same CPU as the DS1823xs+ series â which is typically on a 5 year refresh cycle (as most XS enterprise devices are). So, that leads to the question- what else? Well, remember when Synology first introduced the AMD-embedded Ryzen series? They made ALOT of noise about how one of the reasons they opted for it (aside from the thread counts, power vs ability, etc) was that AMD will support this CPU for 10 years! Unlike a lot of Intel offerings in Celeron and Xeon which have a shorter time before ârefreshesâ â which means the NAS brand is forced to refresh and/or swap out a CPU and swallow the cost changes), a CPU with a 10 year support cycle allows NAS brands to use it for much ,MUCH longer in their systems and their software services. Synology is not aversed to âsticking with a CPU for a long timeâ *cough the Intel J4125*. So, unless Synology pull a brand new CPU SKU out of nowhere in the AMD embedded series (not impossible, but pretty unlikely, as from their POV they do not need to), I think itâs likely they will STICK with the V1500B. Which, if true, leads to the question â how is the DS1825+ NAS going to be a refresh/improvement on the DS1821+ NAS? My guess⊠network connectivity.
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AMD V1780B
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| Architecture | Zen | Zen |
| Cores / Threads | 4 / 4 | 4 / 8 |
| Base Clock Speed | 2.2 GHz | 3.35 GHz |
| Max Boost Clock Speed | Not specified | 3.6 GHz |
| L3 Cache | 4 MB | 8 MB |
| TDP | 25W | 25W |
| Memory Support | DDR4-2666 | DDR4-3200 |
| PCIe Support | PCIe 3.0 | PCIe 3.0 |
| Manufacturing Process | 14nm | 14nm |
| Integrated Graphics | No | No |
| Virtualization | Yes | Yes |
| Max Temperature | 95°C | 95°C |
| Launch Date | Q3 2019 | Q2 2020 |
| 1GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
| 2.5GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
| 10GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
The Synology DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity and Memory Explored A LittleâŠ
Again, heavily âpinch of saltâ territory here, but I think the main difference we are going to see in the DS1825+ over the DS1821+ is not going to be the CPU, it will be the network connectivity. Earlier, I mentioned the RS2423+ and the new V1780B CPU it arrived with. Well, that wasnât the only new change to form that it featured. It also featured 8GB memory (rather than the usual 4GB) and 10GbE out the gate, as opposed to 4x 1GbE as previously used. Now, that (at least in terms of SYnology) was a big step up. Adding double memory and adding 10 Gigabit, but keeping the same pricing as the previous generation was a solid/positive move. So, what about the DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity? I think 8GB base level memory will happen â DSM has fast become so âbackground processâ heavy that 4GB for business use is already looking like the done thing (as also observed in the DS1522+ too). Plus, 4GB ECC and 8GB ECC, via a single module, will be a small price point for Synology in a new refresh. However, IF Synology keep the V1500B CPU in the 8-Bay Diskstation (again, I think likely), how do you differentiate it from the DS1821+ AND still keep it âbelowâ the DS1823xs+, without adding âtoo muchâ (from a Synology brand perspective)? The easy answer is 10GbE. Adding 10GbE to the DS1825+ NAS seems like an easy way to make it a solid refresh over the DS1821+ â however, they probably CANNOT DO THAT, as that will IMMEDIATELY hit the DS1823xs+ USPs (aside from the memory and 5year warranty). Synology have been incredibly tactical over the years about their portfolio, spreading things out beating across tiers, product families and utilities. Realistically, they cannot add 10GbE to the DS1825+, without increasing the price OR reducing the price to maintain the overall Diskstation portfolio.
BUT⊠there is a 3rd option. 2.5GbE. Synology have been incredibly dismissive of 2.5GBASE-T in the last 5 years, whilst many other brands, ISP routers, consumer goods and more have begun to embrace it, as at the manufacture point, it is largely the same price to add a 2.5G NIC as a 1G NIC. Also, the V1500B (and V1780B for that matter) both support 2.5GbE protocols. I know this as 1) other V1500B/1780B systems in the market from competitors have featured native 2.5GbE, and 2) we highlighted this fact during our review of the DS1821+ back in 2021, stating âits a shame that Synology still restricts base level network connections at 4x 1GbE â hereâ, when the CPU supports 2.5GbEâ. Given the increasing support of SMB multichannel on client systems (especially compared with the comparative messiness of LAG/Trunking in smaller setups), 2.5GbE is now a great deal more desirable. Also (this one is a little âinside baseballâ), 2.5GBASE-T has appeared in a few official Synology places (inadvertently, I might add) and although this could easily be referring to an official USB-NIC, the brand has made strides to disable a lot of USB support in recent years (for reasons of security) and this would be counter to these efforts. I think itâs more likely than its ever been that Synology will finally begin embracing 2.5GbE and given the difficulty that a DS1825+ would have in itâs placement between the DS1821+ and the DS1825+, the only way that Synology could differential it would be 2.5GbE (short of a whole new CPU of course.. but that seems even less likely!).
When Do We Think We Will Hear More about the Synology DS1825+ NAS?
Right now, what we have here is an appearance of the DS1825+ model SKU on the official Synology product pages that was quickly removed, as well as mentioned of the product ID already in the past via download/resource pages (and of course, the delay of this system arriving as the predicted refresh of the DS1821+, released in Dec 2020). So, itâs all very murky! But, realistically, this product family is way, way to popular to be killed off and/or not refreshed, as the only alternative would be the more expensive DS1825+. Additionally, the DS18xx+ range has always arrived in the Autum of the year (going be the DS1821+. DS1819+, DS1817+, etc). So, I would predict the DS1825+ NAS arriving formally in late Q3/Q4 2024 (so Sept-Nov), and at a similar price to the DS1821+. Needless to say, as soon as I know more (as well as get a couple of other background bits confirmed), I will update this article, and share more. Donât forget to subscribe to NASCompares below, or even just sign up for alerts to this article, to be the first in the know! Have a fantastic week!
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Heard the same story last year (2023)… Got a “temporary” NAS because I needed more space… I can likely get by for another year… but hearing the same story this year – in addition to petty HDD model warnings is making me heavily reconsider.
Perhaps my needs and Synologys’ direction are diverging.
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MORE SEAGULLS
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Looked at this unit a while back from my DS920+ but people said 2 users on PLEX and it will struggle due to the CPU doing all the work. But with the latest DSM update they are pushing the processing to the external devices does that mean the CPU will be under less load with PLEX? Most of the PLEX use is on the home network but my mum watches some of the video content remotely and often at the same time as we watch content.
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I’m in a similar position my DS1817+ died last November (I’m fairly certain it was a motherboard issue and that the HDs are okay) and I’ve been making do as I was certain that the DS1821+ would be replaced as soon as I bought one. Any news of the DS1825+ would be very helpful (let’s hope we don’t have to wait for a DS1826+!!!).
Newegg shows the 1821+ on sale tomorrow, not sure if same $850 price bhphoto did last year, so it is tempting. I keep holding off on upgrading my 1812+ because I keep waiting for a replacement.
I am in the market for an 8-bay nas since I am upgrading the hard disks on my ds1621xs+. I was going to get the ds1821+ until I saw this video. 4 months later and still no news from Synology. ????
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Synology will dump 4 years old technologies and release them with horrendous price like apple as it always do.
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1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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You wonât âbin itâ within 24 months. Unless itâs a TerraMaster which claimed to have a 10GB port, when in fact it seems to have been nothing more than a hole in the case labeled as if it were a port ( yes I tried their support, however that proved fruitless).Thatâs what happened to me, and yes I binned it. I now have an Asustor and couldnât be happier. Itâs 2.5gb port works as it should.
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I found even if you dont have fast internet over 1gig getting a router that supports 2.5gbe and getting as many devices on to that on a busy network can help reduce traffic on the local network, large families and small business can benefit from a cheap upgrade to 2.5gbe as most existing Ethernet installs can be upgraded pretty easy buy buying new hardware.
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Update the chassis
A different color at a bare minimum
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Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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I sent an inquiry to them 3 weeks ago and they said no announcements.
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where muh RS1224+ at?! reeeeeeee
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Hello, loving the Hoodie! Where can I get them? Do you have a shop? I was not able to find one looking on your website. Please help. Thanks.
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I will not upgrade unless: Hardware transcoding, 2,5g NIC, no stupid alarms for not using Synologyâs overpriced harddrives.
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Finally a better sound quality on your videos.
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If they come out with the same CPU with all the competition hitting the market I’ll be out for good.
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Try as hard as I like, I canât saturate my 2.5 gig network. I also have a 5GB fiber connection and, well⊠even with torrents and usenet running on NVMEs on separate router connections Iâve managed 3GB. For about 30 seconds.
Iâve got a lot of Linux ISOs now, though.
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At long last . . . some good news from Synology
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In other words, not much of an upgrade at all, most likely.
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Consumer Synology is like Disney Star Wars – you expect them to sink low, but they subvert your expectations, and not in a good way
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Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????5ïžâŁâââââ
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My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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As long as they do not screw the pooch and insist on Synology drives.
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I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:
I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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Good analysis, agree with your assumptions, only way the DS1825+ would get better spec than you speculate is if they replaced the xs+ model at the same time.
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Looks like the same CPUs without good graphics and codecs so useless for Plex
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We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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if they made it with the epyc 4004 cpus with DDR5 + 2.5 GBe everyone will jump on it
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Interesting in comparison 1823xs vs 1825…
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The timeline here in the 18xx series really highlights how Synology have little appetite or interest to play in the consumer space anymore at the larger scale.
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Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.
How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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at 4:13 Love those “Copper Netowrk Ports”
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Let me guess – 1GbE?
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Do you think they will need to have a better CPU to compete with new products like the ugreen lineup?
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If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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If this thing is still coming with 1GB ports its as dead as fried chicken IMO.
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F synology.
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If there’s no new CPU, I won’t be upgrading. To be fair, if they don’t put a GPU in it, I probably won’t be upgrading anyway.
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Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.
Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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I just want a low power cpu that doesnât use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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Proprietary drives again?
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Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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I hope Synology can add switch authentication, which is safer. It would be perfect if the switch other than Synology’s pop-up warning
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The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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We need an Intel CPU with Quick Sync for hardware transcoding of 1080p and 4K content on Plex, etc.
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If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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Don’t break my heart like that, Robbie!! I hope it has a better CPU!
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We can all have a good laugh when it turns up with gigabit Ethernet, eSATA, and 4GB of RAM. Synology doesn’t care what its customers want, at all.
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Why upgrade to 2.5? The can F their customers at least a couple of years more
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I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and itâs not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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Synology is gonna be Synology, I’d say 4* 1GbE ports with 1 proprietary 10GbE upgrade.
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I can see you’ve already made space for it given the background
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I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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Good News Synology fan!!! Syngology is no longer using 12yr old CPUs, they are modernising….
….with 10yr old CPUs
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If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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Syno User from Day One – this brand only stands out from Software side. The Hardware is soo boring. I wish they had the Hardware Mindset of QNAP.
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From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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My 1817 has 2x10GBit/s.
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If i cant put whatever harddrive i want in it without issues, synology will need to reconsider themselves in the consumer market.
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Don’t mean to change the subject. Why in the US have all the Synology cameras been out of stock for months? No one is talking about this issue.
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9:02 so they’ll stick Ryzen 1600 like on 923+/1522+ and proprietary 10Gbe mini slot like on 923+/1522+, simple as that đ
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Thks,
Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.
If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.
What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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I thought the DS1823xs+ was weak with the throttling NVMe. I was hoping the DS1825+ would be better. What a potential letdown.
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this sounds terrible, UGREEN is gonna wipe the floor with them if they get their software right, hardware wise theyre the better option
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If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????
I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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Does it support SHR?
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i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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Canât wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that canât even transcode?
NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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Who else here is waiting for a DS925+ or DS425+, with a decent current CPU, a GPU and a >=32GB memory limit?
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At last, I will be able to replace my trusted 1812+. Hope Shr will be present.
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This video cam out JUST in time.
So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
5 Ă 18 tb ironwolf HHD
2 Ă 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
2 Ă 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
1 Ă 10 gb port
Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for what’s essentially some plastic, an embedded ryzen from 6 years ago and a couple gigs of ECC sodimms feels like *such* a ripoff.
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I just came for the Seagulls… By the way thank you – Still looking to upgrade my DS918+.
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In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.
Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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If they want a real winner 1 10Gbe, 1 2.5Gbe and 1-2 1 Gbe ports.
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Can we take a moment to say how good looking your background is?
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If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).
Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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Would it be possible to stick 4 NVMe bays on the bottom of the 1625+/1825+?
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Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.
P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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new background for you?? its way better than clutter.
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8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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New look ????
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Damn it, my DS1821+ just arrived!
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I am here for the seagulls
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Love the new studio look! Thank God Synology – about time the 1821 got a refresh.
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Wonderfull, thanks a lot man !!
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When I bought a laptop a few years ago, I saw that WiFi 6e was available. I bought a 6e Intel card, only to learn that my HP laptop BIOS only whitelisted certain cards.
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With 2.5Gbit clients on LAN, 10 Gbit to the NAS probably makes sense because of shared band with….
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when he called a ROUTER a rooter I spit out my drink. LMAO.
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Is there a nas motherboard with 3 or 4x 10GbE and 6 sata ports?
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1GbE will eventually go the way as single core processors. I have 10GbE in my NAS servers with 16TB of NVMe and I still canât saturate what a 2.5GbE connection would give me.
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Is it worth buying DS1821+ in 2024?
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I am going for RJ45 10G straight.
Where are the 2,5gb models from synology??? People got to help themselfs with RJ45 to USB dongle workarounds…
Come on Synology….
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Honestly, if you have a NAS and are using it in any serious way, 2.5Gb should be a minimum at this point. In fact, I’ve found some reasonably priced gear that’s mostly 2.5GbE, with some 10Gb SFP+ ports as well, and will probably run fibre for 10Gb connections to major switches in my house, then the 2.5Gb connections to each individual device. Is fibre overkill? YES, but I WANTED Cat6A years ago and was told “Cat5 is plenty” only to now be unable to do 10Gb. So for that magical future proofing, fibre is going in, and that should basically do the job forever, since the fibre itself can do 400Gb+ it’s just the hardware at each end that would need upgrading. Do I think I’ll ever use 400Gb… no, but 40Gb would be nice, and maybe one day I might want 100Gb, this way we never have to re-run the cables (yes conduit is amazing, and even MORE future proof than fibre, but it’s not viable in an old, existing house like ours without basically moving out for a month).
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been eyeing a 300 dollar Atom device with everything on it which is nice but people hate Atom so am like ok lol
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Amother chap’s youtube NAS channel says that besides upgrading devices, for 10 gbe you’ll need to upgrade to CAT6 cabling as well – and THAT is a BIG consideration, unless it’s original construction!
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Interesting how much difference a year makes. I just looked on Amazon and you can get four 2.5G ports plus two SFP+ ports for US$55âŠ
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I purchasted the Nimbuster NAS from you in 2020 to set up my home network and it’s super slow when connected to a Netgear gigabit switch and trying to save and get files from my Mac or PC. I’ve tried to aggregate the connection from the NAS to the switch but it’s still super slow. I guess the bottleneck is in the gigabit Netgear switch. Would I have to buy a 2-5gbe switch? If so how should it be connected and set up? Many thanks for any advice .
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My question is 2.5GB enough for a single editor an a NAS?
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Great reviews, keep our up. Just ordered a 1821+, knowing that the replacement model is coming soon, but got a good deal. Integration graphics was to of my list for a plex server, but will just run a separate plex server for the 4k files transcoding which ill only use remote viewing infrequently. Home direct play will be 99% need.. i nearly went for a home plex server nas build, but didn’t want the headache of it all..
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o/ from the US. I recently purchased a ASUS GT-11000 pro (on sale) which has 1 x 10g and 1×2.5g ports. My WAN port on my modem is a 2.5g. I connected my 10g port to my Dlink DMS-106xt. I have my dlink connected to a simple unmanaged cisco switch in my living room that connects to my xbox, ps5, TV, and apple TV, none of which support 2.5gb only 1gb. Then I have my dlink connected to a asus GT6 that supports a 2.5g port and 3x 1gb ports. I learned that I should have bought the Zen wifi pro since it supports two 2.5gb ports. Why this matters to me? My pc supports 2.5gb and 1gb on the mobo. Now I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but since I am designing a network that suits my needs I didn’t account for that error in my budget. After buying all these things I didn’t fully think my network setup thoroughly because now I have to buy another multigig 10G port switch that likely cost 300$ USD to fix my error. I just dont have enough 10g ports now. Problems for future me.
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I think 2.5GBE is underrated. Getting over 280Ms for file transfer speeds. Its pretty fast for what I do with editing videos
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Thank you for this video, when I renovated my place with Cat 6A cables I moved to a2 gigabit internet connection just this year, however only recently I have purchased USB 2.5 gb singles to upgrade my connections and it has been amazing, thank you for your video it was informative and helped me make the right decision to wait for a year and then move up
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10Gb is good for the network backbone, like the unifi aggregation switch is a no brainer
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We don’t need discuss 2.5 GbE, 1 GbE has effectively been the standard for LANs at the edge for over a decade. Thanks to Moore’s Law, computer power doubles, every 18 months (or less), so very quickly LAN speeds need to improve by an order of magnitude (x 10) to be significant.
What few (none?) of the network companies have realised is that computers now come equipped with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 ports and Thunderbolt Hubs. Over our PANs we are already doing 40 GbE. We need switches with TB4 ports, Fairly predictably, network equipment brands have fallen into the trap of treating 2.5 GbE as the new normal.
The new normal is 40 GbE.
We can do 7+ Gb over 5G mobile networks.
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2.5g isn’t futureproofing. 10g has been around for much longer than 2.5g or 5g… if you’re going to use cat5/6 cables, just go to 10g. the only reason I can think of that companies are feeding us 2.5 and 5g right now is in attempt to segregate a market that started and should be homogeneous. 10g is the way of things right now, today. but even that’s not futureproofing. if you want to futureproof, you should get 10g sfp+ switches and nics and use om3 fiber and/or dac cables to make your connections. the reason for this is that sfp+ is 10g, uses less power, and if you use fiber connections, that fiber will later be able to run 25g, 50g, and 100g (and probably more later on) via bonding multiple frequencies of laser communications together in a single strand of fiber. if you’re building a house today, put om3 in the walls and be happy. worst case scenario, you want to use one or more rj45 based network devices and you buy a 3-5 port sfp+ switch and use sfp+ to 10g ethernet modules for the devices you want to use. the biggest reasons to go with 10g: copying large files (such as videos you’ve got today with your nice video camera), photos from a dslr camera, high resolution audio recordings, backups to and from your NAS. virtual machine migrations for high availability or automatic resource re balancing for homelabbing and/or hosting of services from your home such as nextcloud, video game servers, plex server so you can store your dvd and blu-ray collection on your NAS and distribute that content to every computer, tv, phone, and tablet in your home and outside of your home when you travel, etc. and now that residential fiber is FINALLY gaining traction (I live in rural ct (I can literally walk to cows) and was just offered symmetrical 5 gigabit fiber (I took them up on the symmetrical 2g fiber because it was the same $110 I was spending on 600/25 from charter spectrum cable)), and in some other places, you can get up to symmetrical 10g now.
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Just bought one, sad that price didnt drop further, forced to switch from netgear readynas which has been dying the last 20yrs. Not too impressed yet with synology hardware or the silly windows type UI and vocabulary for enterprise storage…but reliability, low cost, docker + one drive support and 8 bay + ssd cache was requirements. Almost got the newest unit which is 6 core but i dont need 10gige, just 2.5/5 multigig plus btrfs and long term support. Not sure i would be happy going with 100% vendor drives long term. Hoping this unit will last 5-8yrs. Im maxing it with pcie card, 32gb ram, 8x 10tb 7200rpm drives, and 2x 800gb m2 ssd. Hopefully, the deduplication actually works..
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My ISP model is 2.5GbE, most recent motherboards are 2.5GbE, NAS more often come with the red 2.5GbE socket now. It’s a no-brainer to just get a 2.5g switch and be done with it. gigabit network is basically slowly dissapearing with the current hardware being sold.
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The 5gb adapter for qnap makes sense when all the clients for 2.5gb
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will you notice or need 2.5 times better throughput for local file transfers vs 1gig? if you don’t do much transfers, and you are not running a time critical business(or personal req) that requires it, then probably not.
but where it may matter is for the upcoming wifi 7 stuff will will benefit from multigig (without it, you will simply be bottlenecked. if you are going to get wifi7, get multi gig networking gear to go with it, e.g. switches, nics etc)
homelab networking enthusiasts may also appreciate more than the standard 1gig.
Also in 2023, a lot of motherboards nowadays have 2.5gbe. You would have to go out of your way to go for the cheapest possible motherboard to get a 1gbe port.
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That thumbnail haha. You’re a funny person.
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The issue with 2.5G is the switches… If you poke around, you can get 10GbE for the same or less than 2.5G, especially if you like old Enterprise gear as I do. I can set up 10gig for way less than I can for 2.5gig, as Enterprise skipped 2.5Gig thus it’s not around in the used market. If you need managed switches, like I do, then 2.5G actually costs more than 10gig. Since regular cat6 cables can handle 10gig speeds over shorter cable lengths, it’s less of an issue than you make it out to be.
2.5G may be on a lot of new devices, but if the supporting hardware is more expensive than 10gig, it’s pointless.
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Your talk about futureproofing really hit me. Its one of the reasons (having GbE FTTP WAN/Internet already) I was determined that when I finally paid a decent chunk for a new router, it MUST have at least 2.5GbE WAN and LAN, rather than the 2.5Gbe WAN OR LAN which seems common, and rather defeats the point IMO, as you’ve got an instant bottleneck.
I am looking to upgrade the backhaul around my house fairly soon, as it will mean even if my NAS is still only running 1GBps, I will have full capability to max out the internet AND NAS at the same time across the network, or. if its via a machine with 2.5GbE, maximise the internet AND NAS usage at the same time, all the whilst having overhead so other devices on the network can still communicate with each other. Also means I will not be instantly having to run to upgrade equipment if I 1.8/2/2.5Gb FTTP becomes available.
Im not expecting all of this to happen now. But it may well in the next few years, and will also give additional overhead room for shared bandwidth on the network if multiple machines are heavily active at a given time. Again, not designing around whats capable now,. but what may happen in the next few years.
The only thing delaying the upgrade is the cost of 2,5GbE switches at the moment, multiple machines around my house already have 2.5GbE NICs, but whereas I can get GbE NICs for pennies, a 2.5GbE Switch is still over ÂŁ100.
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.900 Gigabit/s= 112.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust slow sata hard drive speed
1.1 Gigabit/s= 137.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust fast sata hard drive speed
2.3 Gigabit/s= 287.5 MegaBytes/s = generic 2.5Gbit/s Linux data rate
4.4 Gigabit/s= 550 MegaBytes/s = a good sata ssd
60 Gigabit/s= 7500 MegaBytes/s = some Gen 4 NVMe PCIe SSDs capable of 7500 MB/s
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10 GB network is expensive and only makes sense with fiber optic cable. 2.5GB Ethernet can use old CAT5e, CAT6 cables. It also uses less power than 10GB copper Ethernet. Unfortunately, 10GB SFP can not switch to 2.5 GB but then fall back to 1GB.
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iam on my way to buy the 1821+ but i dont like that this nas doesnt support any 3rd party nvmes? does anyone have 980pros or sn770 for caching in this nas? idlike read and write cache with dual 2tb sn770. idlike download from external ssd 400-500 gb every suturday-sunday night after weddings, so i dlike this to be as fast as possible, cause we need to go sleep too. in case of a failure does this affect warranty? the cache ssds will be on raid 1 and the 6hdds will be raid 6. i dont even think of loosing any data.
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I work in business and small datacenter networking, and anything between 1 and 10 Gbps does not exist. SFP, sure, they’re 1, 10, 25, 40, 100 Gbps.
Even in my home use, I’d rather get everything on 10 Gbps than pay the barely supported premium for 2.5 or 5 Gbps, especially on managed devices.
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its complete overkill. more people than not dont yet have access to fttp in the UK for even 1gb and thats going to take a good 5 years at least.
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Power consumption is massively missing from these reviews. Anything you are going to have running 27/7, energy usage is such a big thing.
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I think 1Gb/s will be sufficient for most house/small business users (except NAS storage, iSCSI) for next 5 or more years.
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Moved entire network to 2.5gbe. Pickup up a 453E and a bunch of 2.5 to USB3 and some new switches. Real nice speed boost! No fans, so it is quiet.
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When will this 8 bay get a refresh? Im about to buy one, but I feel like this could be refreshed end of 2022? Is that the general product timing? (2 years)
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That was extremely informative, thank you
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I think at this point itâs pretty safe to say that for most non enterprise applications 2.5Gbe is the horse that is firmly in the lead over 5 and 10
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I took your advice and went 2.5gbe and also bought a Asustor AS6702T Nas with NVME storage, I am having the easiest of times setting up the Nas it is so simple. Watching Blu-ray files from the Nas is super fast. Thanks for all your help. Looks like Iâm planning for 10gbe in the near future.
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I only have 1Gbe router. If I buy a 2.5Gbe USB C Ethernet adapter, would the speed increase compared to a 1Gbe connection?
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Workstations have 10gbit on almost every port now USB etc. Except for the one you use the most, your network interface port. It is not overkill, it’s falling behind in my opinion. A lot of people rather have wifi for network connections nowadays cause it is surpassing their cabled network speeds and it is more convenient. If you still care to put a cable through the ceiling you better have something that makes it worth it! Large capacity NAS at the read and write speed of local SSDs.
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I have 2.5GBe right now. no switch either. just added an extra 2.5g nic in my server and desktop, and have them as an additional direct NIC. updated hosts file on my server and voila, my server can be accessed at 2.5g for $50.
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Hi m8, watched a good few videos regarding NAS, are you interested in a video tutorial setting up a semi cheap NAS setup with semi total noob build. I Have the parts etc, but cache disk, OS and RAID setup are still total nightmares for someone like myself still surfing channels to find a definitive answer to my questions?
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I belive wifi ratings include the overhead and payload of packets, where ethernet speeds are just the payload, something to keep in mind
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I have 2.5G fiber (upgraded from 1G a couple months ago) in my house. I’m still waiting for a router with multiple 2.5G ports. Most only have it on the WAN or the LAN, but not both. Really frustrating. Hopefully that changes with the upcoming Wifi 7 routers.
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Only the newest 10GbE equipment will negotiate down to 2.5 or 5 gigabit. Those speeds were not available until 2016, when 10 GbE had already been around for a decade.
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I picked up a QNAP TS453D not long back to replace an older Qnap with the dreaded bad firmware update. It’s got twin 2.5Gbe ports on it but the trouble I’ve found is there’s limited routers and network switches currently available to actually utilise this feature. I even decided to update to a wifi 6 router (as I’ve got a wifi 6 laptop). While the routers got link aggregation, they’re still only 1Gbe ports. The only router that did have 2.5Gbe (ASUS) was considerably more pricey and didn’t have link aggregation either – so barely worse off having twin 1Gbe ports.
Besides, the features only useful IF the laptop had 2.5Gbe capability too. But still OK if you’re running a few devices concurrently sending data (at least the transfer speeds aren’t bottle necked).
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Wish 2.5GbE would become standard, 1GbE is way to slow these days.
My pc has 2.5GbE, My Router has 2.5GbE, My Synology 5 bay NAS has 1GbE đ
Network is only as good as the weakest link.
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You touched on it, but to expand:
You are only going to get a maximum speed equal to the weakest link in the chain.
If your Internet and router is 2.5gbps, but your switch is 1gbps and your old laptop’s network card is 100mbps, then you will never get performance from that laptop faster than 100mbps.
I have 300mbps ethernet and 1 PC with 1gbps LAN, and 2 PC sticks with 100mbps LAN.
The PC sticks will only ever send/receive at a max of 100mbps to either the internet, the other PC stick, or the PC.
The PC will only get internet of 300mbps and the communication between the PC and the sticks will be 100mbps max.
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My APs have 2.5Gbe ports. I am researching POE switches with 2.5Gbe ports.
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I don’t really need 2.5g everywhere , but I would like it on my core connections. sadly I cannot find a cheap 4 or 8 port switch (unmanaged) with a 2.5g uplink port and the rest as 1GB ports . If anyone knows of one , comment below.
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Fun future-proofing story – built my house over 20 years ago. The town had no cable internet yet, but I still had every phone plate box run with 2 Cat 5 cables. First, wired for multiple phone lines, then DSL came. When real ISP came, 4 wires got me 100Mb speed. As we didn’t need the phone lines for dial up, over time I rewired each port to have full 8 wire 1Gb connectivity.
At 2.5Gb, it’s only one room that needs this. My home office with multiple computers and NAS. Exactly right that 2.5 is pretty cheap to add, and my spinning drives aren’t saturating that. Unless I change to a RAID configuration on the desktop, this setup will work for quite a while.
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95% of homes have cat5e, so there’s no question of 10GbE without ripping the walls, which isn’t a problem at 2.5GbE. 95% of WiFi6 APs have 1 GbE LAN, so how do you want to use the full WiFi6 bandwidth, between laptop and NAS, laptop and internet etc. If you want to take full advantage of WIFi 6, you have to buy the most expensive AP which has, guess what… 2.5GbE LAN.
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Yes but only if you buy basic nas’s, 10gbe is better , you can buy 10gbe 2nd hand switches and nics so cheaply now and often only need a switch with 2 x10 for your main pc and nas.
1100mps is what your nas can do in a raid or with m.2 on 10gbe.
280mps is good for budget nas’s where you have max 2 drives mech models or cheap Sata SSD’s its good to see entry level at 2.5gbe
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Synology Buys holding off for 2.5Gbe
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Intel Nuc low End I3 have 2.5Gbe now
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Synology is sadly missing the Boat. I have 1 2.5 Gb Network on almost all the workstations Server, 2.5GBe I will have Fiber connect soon. Qnap and many other have Nas have 2.5Gbe , I have talked to Synology Tech Support no word on any 2.5GBe sadly Nas box after 2.5GB Fiber, will be the slowest device in the Network , Does anyone have and info on 2.5GBe from Synology
Qnap has had it for years
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Nice! Would like to see a 2.5gb video showing a setup. Maybe with connectivty to NAS devices that don’t have a 2.5gb adapter (usb or card added) and a more modern one. What Cables do i need? Virutalization station concerns? Port binding? that sort of thing.
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Don’t forget to check your specs. Many early 10Gbe chipsets don’t support 2.5Gbe and 5Gbe. Buying cheaper switches may leave you stuck at 1Gbps if they don’t support the middle speeds.
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I went with 2.5Gbe on my 4 bay NAS. It’s an older Asustor unit. Several computers need to access it at the same time. My Plex Server saves all DVR files there and my Transcoding setup transfers files off and back on. It really helped with congestion when streaming from Plex. I’d go up to 10Gbe with my next NAS.
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I really love your videos! You explain things in such clarity just one thing, why are they so long?
I noticed that in one of your videos you repeated the same thing 4 times (different examples) before getting to the heart of the issue.
Can you please try to make your videos shorter?
Thanks!
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Want full 2.5/10Gb speed? Full DATA PATH upgrade is always required đ
2.5Gb should be an entry data speed standard. 1Gb is to just slow for current performance of internal devices. Also 2.5Gb might be last standard that can be thermally manageable in laptops or SFF/Thin clients. 5 and 10 are just too hot. Also 5 and 10Gb are fast but use of external USB/Thunderbolt devices is not what you would call stable…
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can i use a usb to 2.5gbe on my synology NAS
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2.5GbE is too slow, I recommend 10GbE ????
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Thank you for putting this out, practical thinking is hard to do when speed is the topic. Time to stay grounded and avoiding distractions is the way for me. Lol. Cheers.
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Iâm just starting to move everything to 2.5gb with my truenas running a 10gb. But Iâm also seeing better performance from my 1gb devices.
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I’m running 10 Gb/s at home so the answer to this debate is kind of obvious to me.
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Firstly, I am impressed by your ability to count by 2.5. I have a new PC arriving today that has 2.5GbE built in. Luckily, it also has 10GbE built in. (It’s a Core i9 Intel NUC 12 Extreme.) I’ve been 10GbE in my home lab for nearly a decade, starting with a Netgear switch, progressing to as used Arista Networks switch and finally installing a Ubiquiti aggregation switch a few months ago. The Ubiquiti switch has four 25GbE ports as well, so I’ve gone an upgraded my two Dell PowerEdge servers to 25GbE with Mellanox fibre cards. I’ve upgraded my two big Synology NASes as well. The Synologys support the Mellanox cards out of the box. I consider the 2.5GbE standard a “feature” aimed at consumers to get them to buy hardware (again). 10GbE is and has been an enterprise solution for a very long time now. It’s too bad vendors have been so slow to get on the 10GbE bandwagon. A 10GbE NIC or switch shouldn’t have to cost more than a 1GbE or 2.5GbE NIC or switch.
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For a home/SOHO network, being able to transfer files at around 280MB/s is a big upgrade from just 105MB/s. That reason alone is enough to use 2.5GbE.
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Any plans to test if it allows better access or throughput to a nas when compared to using gigabit on the same device?
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2.5Gb is 10 years too late.. huge bottleneck with modern drives.
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for me convient. faster than 1 GB, cheap, works fine and none of my Hardware is bottlenecking it. Did i think about 10gig…yes, but this would have caused such an upgrade cascade….
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Hi⊠if this device does not have embedded graphics and the 1621 doesnât have it either, which device is the best for me to get for video editing as well as using it as a Plex server? I want to EDIT 4K video, and also have PLEX playback 1080 and 4K video as well. Is an embedded GPU necessary? Whatâs the alternative?
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1GbE should not exist on 5 bay and over, They should keep that for under 5 bay NAS devices and everything over 5 bays gets at least 2.5GbE
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Thank you! Very informative video. I always watch your video’s before I purchase a NAS.
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Good overview. Personally, I would have put the metal chassis as a reason to buy
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