New Synology BeeStation BST170 Model with Intel x86 Architecture Leaked
For those that have been a pinch concerned fo late that Synology was starting to move out of the Intel-powered home NAS market, there has seemingly been something of a flicker of good news appearing inadvertently on the official Synology Download pages. Eagle-eyed Reddit User Gummibando managed to spot that a new DSM system firmware image appeared very briefly, before it’s removal shortly after it was shared online. Namely ‘BSM_BST170-8T_65371.pat ‘ – which reveals that Synology have a new Beestation model (denoted by the BSM_BST model ID) that, upon even further digging into the official pages, revealed that alongside this new model IS, that a newly specced out Beestation model in 8TB is coming at some point in the future. So, let’s discuss these findings, what else we have learned about the BST170, and what else we can surmise from the surrounding clues! Let’s go.
What Do We Know about the Synology BST170-8T NAS?
So, as mentioned, the first big clue was the appearance of the ‘BSM_BST170-8T_65371.pat’ firmware. Synology has very model specific firmware patches for it’s system OS downloads, and these are generally named by model.pat distinctions – and cannot be used on a different/other-named device, even if they are similar in architecture (eg DS224+ and DS423+ are very similar, but both have very distinct firmware downloads). HOWEVER, this is not actually the earliest example of this new BeeStation BST170-8T assets being spotted on the official Synology pages.
Something that early Synology BeeStation users already know about is that BSM (BeeStation Manager, the OS of the BeeStation system) is actually built on the same BTRFS bones and structure of DSM. One of the clearest examples of that is if you open up a Synology BST firmware with an editor, you spot that it includes BSM_modified versions of popular Synology Applications. Luckily, all of these individual beestation-specific versions of applications are on the download resource pages too (likely as a means for troubleshooting, repair or reinitialization if needed). Digging into the ‘Hyper Backup’, ‘Drive’ and ‘Synology Photos’ directories all reveal that there are additional versions of the applications for BSM Systems.
You heard me right, ‘versions’ – plural. Wheres previously there was only a BSM RTD1619b or ARMv8 version of each (the BST150-4T original Beestation uses a Realtek RTD1619b Quad Core Processor), now there is an additional x86 version available alongside it. Additionally, there is a few specific versions that list the RTD1619b version next to a version labels ‘GeminiLake’.
This is very important, as Gemini Lake is an Intel Product family of processors, and one that Synolgoy is very, VERY familiar with! This is because Synology has featured this processor on several prominent solutions in their portfolio over the years (including the DS920+, DS7420+, DS224+ and DS423+, to name but a few). Given Synology deep, deep investigation into this processor and how to get the very most out of it that they can – you can see why they would be opting for this processor again,
Additionally, although we have no clear indication on whether Synology will be improving the hardware architecture of the original Beestation 4T beyond the CPU choice mentioned, it is worth touching on that Synology has NEVER put a modern x86 architecture CPU in a 1 Bay solution. I cannot see why they would opt to put in a CPU that is considerably more powerful, capable and feature rich in a new 8TB Beestation solution, unless they plan for this system to be able to do more than the lower access requirements that the BST150-4T/Beestation currently can handle. I will cover this more in the ‘to be confirmed’ section in a moment, but I do think we have acknowledge that this system is almost certainly more than just ‘more of the same, but with 8TB’.
And which Intel Gemini Lake CPU will it be? Well, realistically, it will be the J4125, a quad core, PCIe Gen2, 2.0Ghz CPU that can be burst upto 2.7Ghz when needed. It also features Integrated GFX and has an impressively low TDP (which is ideal for a 24×7 server system). However, if it IS the J4125, it is inevitable that criticism will be made that this CPU is an Q1 2020 released processor, and given that we are almost at the end of 2024, that is quite far from Intl’s original production cycle. There is the other Gemini Lake processor in the Synology family, the J4025 – a dual core version with similar specs as the J4125 – but Synology haven’t used this CPU since spring 2020 and I am not even sure if this can even be obtained at production any more!
Of course, the intended audience for the Synology BeeStation device(s) is not the hardcore enthusiast, it is not the kind of person (puts hand up) that checks this deep into the CPU! This is designed for those that want an easy to deploy, easy to use and ‘setup and forget’ backup solution – which is PRECISELY what the BeeStation series is about! So, it could be argued that the CPU they choose to use is irrelevant, as long as IT WORKS!
Additionally, Synology spent way, way too much time on the BSM / Beestation manage software to lock it in on just the BST150-4T. It was inevitable that they were going to expand this series, and the hope is that this new BST170-8T is going to address/resolve 3 of the biggest criticisms of the previous Beestation system. Namely, System Performance, Redundancy and Additional Applications.
What Can We CONFIDENTLY ASSUME About the Synology BST170-8T NAS? (TBC!)
Important – From this point onwards, everything I am covering is based on informed guesses and 95% confirmations based on how the band tends to operate! So, treat with a suitable pinch of salt! I am pretty confident on it all (with some of it confirming statements made to me earlier this year, but as I cannot directly attribute them – I want to slap this disclaimer here!
First things’ first – that 8TB storage. We KNOW that this is going to be an 8TB storage device, and that Synology are definitely going to bundle this device with their own storage media drives (likely HAT3300/HAT3310 PLUS series media, but too early to be 100% sure). However, 3 questions still remain:
- Will this be a 1-Bay or 2-Bay NAS Device (AKA RAID Ready)?
- Does 8TB mean 1x 8TB, 2x 4TB (RAID0) or 2x 8TB (RAID1)?
- HDD or SSD?
Tackling that first point, this will almost certainly be a dual disk redundancy device. It was one of the most common criticisms of the original BST150-4T by its absense, as not only did it mean that you had no ‘drive failure safety net’, but also a single mechanical HDD is TERRIBLE to run a busy operating system from! Leading to system hanging in busy periods. Even with an Intel x86 CPU under the bonnet, the IO on a single mechanical HDD for a sitting operating system is poor – so dual disk architecture would resolve this! Additionally, it’s pretty clear that the BST170-8T is going to have Synolgoy HDD media inside, will be locked to those drive and almost certainly not going to support 3rd party drive use without invalidating the hardware/software support and warranty that Synology provide. This is BSM and not DSM – which supports a lot more 3rd party application use, storage media compatibility and flexibility. That said, the price has been very reasonable for the Synology HAT3300 in 2024 – the 2, 4, 6 and now 8TB are all competitively priced vs both the Seagate Ironwolf and WD Red NAS HDDs:
The point around storage is harder to nail down. On the face of it, I DO think Synology will be providing 8TB storage one way or the other, but it comes down to whether Synology would be happy to class a system as 8TB, if the reality is that most users with a storage system that has 2x4TB HDDs would immediately choose a mirror/RAID 1. Again, even if you only look at this from a novice or supreme entry-level users – 2 Bay systems in a mirror style redundancy is very, very common! So, although my gut tells me it will be 2x4TB, it wouldn’t surprise me if Synology want to make a bigger impact and opt for 2x 8TB. They DO have a HAT3300-8TB drive in their media portfolio – so never say never! Oh and regarding SSDs – surely not! Aside from the cost of including an 8TB SSD (even in SATA 2.5″, or 2x 4TB), that would be an odd mix with that rather pedestrian CPU. Perhaps as a flash-based model that has a smaller profile, but Synology have been very hands-off in the smaller consumer/enthusiast desktop flash NAS space in 2024, so it’s pretty slim chances – I WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG, PLEASE!
What About the Synology DS224+ and DS423+ NAS?
Its a good question (he said, arrogantly, after typing the previous sentence himself!). If Synolgoy WAS to roll out an Intel Powered 2 Bay in the Beestation series (when the original BeeStation was seemingly a replacement for the J, PLAY and SE series), where does that leave the DS224+? Until we know the CONFIRMED specifications of the BST170-8T, we cannot make assumptions. However I would say that if my informed guesses are correct about this being an Intel J4125 powered 2 Bay NAS solution – that is VERY similar to the last 2-3 DS2xx+ Diskstation models! So much so that it wouldn’t;t surprise me if this was ultimately being done to phase out the DS2xx+ series down, and then serve as the natural stepping point behind the DS7xx+ series. 0% Confirmation on this! But I can see the logic that might back that up – time will tell.
When will the Synology BST170-8T BeeStation NAS Be Released and the Price?
Given we have so, so little information to go in, it’s waaaaaaaay too early to make any kind of judgment on this. The original BST150-4T is still priced incredibly well at a $199 without your tax. So, in efforts to remain competitive, I can totally see them effectively doubling the 4TB model price for this 8TB model (i.e $399+). Depending on whether this is a 2x 4TB, or the CPU and ultimately how much BSM can do on it, I can see this being very appealing! But this is all conjecture! Regarding release, given the number of applications and services in the Download section that are ‘BSM’ ready that are being worked on, that would indicate that release is not looking too far away. Certainly before the end of 2024, but again, will have to wait and see!
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i got the synology ds224+ which was what i needed this spring and then they ruin it by removing transcoding, video station etc, does this mean they regret removing multimedia options and that i can keep it, or should i get rid of it (sell it second hand) and buy a new qnap instead? i spent time setting it up the synology just how i want it etc, i have disabled updates for now. Im never again going to buy synology after this and each time NAS comes up and someone asks for my advice, im telling them what a crappy company synology is and encourage them to get qnap or asustor. Qnap has way better hardware and their software are WAY better as it stand now regarding photos video etc anyway which is what home users buy NAS for, so synology has really ruined it for themselves. I might save up and get a TS-264 next year
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2:04 thanks for letting me scream in the comment section ????
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I have a 723+ and i noticed that the new update states that it will no longer support h.264 and 265 streams to prevent resource exhaustion. Would this mean the plex videos will now use client-side transcoding?
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I was thinking I already owned a bee station because they are very stingy with their hardware and lack of new A-class features.
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They should be careful. If they take away too much from the home users, someone else will absolutely step in and fill the gap.
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Hey! Studio upgrade looks good mate! Much easier on the eyes.
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Hello to you too Robbie????
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Closed system , even if Synology HDs are at comparable prices today, is an absolute no no.
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It would be a shame to replace the DS224+ given that there’s a big difference between DSM and BSM namely the ability to install a lot of apps.
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I would be happy if they had a Bee Station as the base CPU and a networked Core Station with an NVMe or SSD unit that connects the network and a 4 or more volume disk unit via a Thunderbolt connection. This can be expanded up to 16 disks. And of course it would be good if the Bee station has a 10 Gbit network connection.
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Thanks for the update.. let’s see what the next step will be! They have competition now with UGREEN
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Another great vid mate????it seems the way things are going it makes you want to build your own more and more just for the value of what budget cpu you can put in your self lol
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Slightly better than the Apollo Lake in a Zimaboard.
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Not worth it if there is same performance issue
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Synology makes me laugh. 1999 and 2019 called and their hardware back… The 920 opps, the 423 has some competition now. ????
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2.5Gbe ????
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They bought a million processors and have no idea what to do with them, so to sell them they made an economical version of PRO hardware. My life shows that taking the easy way is not a good idea for the future.
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I wish they start using the new Intel Lunarlake CPUs. Very fast and low power. I’d pay for it to upgrade my DS1817+
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Any news from the seagulls ?
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Does anyone know when Synology will announce there next updated NAS’s??
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This is potentially a gold mine product line for synology and just maybe a gateway for a few home users into more higher end synology stuff. The market for those seeking to avoid cloud based storage from the big boys is already large and potentially vast. Avoiding subscription fees and having more confidence your data is yours and yours alone temps many.
Both Synology and UniFi know the home user market is really big. Getting into that without dropping the ball on their existing strengths requires time and energy.
It’s market potentially hundreds of times bigger than the prosumer one and set to expand.
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Happy to see Synology expanding the BeeStation line for the basic home users to have more options available as simple alternatives to paying $120+ per year for cloud storage. I think it’s a huge market and they know it!
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Maybe I‘m one of the few who sees this as good news. With a system like this I can convince some people to get a Nas and they will be able to administrate it themselves. If backup works properly on BSM this would make my life (tech support for friends and family) so much easier.
I run a 224+ and I‘m happy with it but actually I had to work myself into it, I just wanted a good automatic backup solution for myself and some of the other stuff you can do with it. I was about to buy a WD MyBook but read some tests, so I ended up buying a Synology and working myself into the system. If the machine you talk about had been on the market a year ago, I might have bought it and probably be happy with it. I like the idea of being able to run docker apps on my 224+, but in reality I just don’t find the time to do it and actually I don’t really see a use case for me.
There is definitely a market for this. People who want something like an Apple time machine for their Windows PC + some things like photo backup of their mobiles and maybe an easy music and video player for home use. But the options on the market really weren’t that good before the Bee Station.
I don’t think this will kill devices like 224+ etc. maybe the j series if it still exists but the target audiences are just different. The DSM machines are either for professionals or for enthusiasts, the bee station series is for neither of them. It’s for home users looking for an easy backup of PC, laptop and their mobile devices that you can set up without reading the manual or watching channels like this.
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Me personally, I do like the idea of a 2bay that is reliable and set and forget
But it needs to be a system that you can swap drives
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Synology is not consumer friendly. Get out now and stop wasting your money.
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2:07 what he said
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Errr those celerons, aint they the ones that you know fail on reboot?? JSeries?
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Strange. I commented my last post, and it is not here. I am sorry about giving wrong information. Availability and price 245 euro included TAX is for similar device Synology BST150-4T
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I think you hit the nail on the head. They will expand to four bay and separate prosumer from business. To the point where a prosumer will be unable to buy a business type of product.
What is scary about this to me is the possibility of changing privacy policies and making plug and play products with few setting choices.
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I’m sorry, did you say that DiskStation Manager on Bee Station was called BDSM?
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Thanks. Name is derived from Dale’s elastic superhero alter ego in the German version of the Chip ‘n’ Dale animated TV series 😉
I even managed to download the .pat file, but deleted it later before realizing it would have been helpful to peek inside for more info.
My hunch is also a two-bay, but my Speculate-O-Meter™ leans more towards an Intel Celeron J4025 (DS220+), otherwise the differentiation to a DS224+ might be too marginal.
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Junk company falsely marking drives as unreliable just to upsell their own white labeled drives. No thanks.
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Gee, how many J4125 did they buy?
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The writing is on the wall for Synology. I don’t think they’ll manage to remain successful in the prosumer segment, insisting on selling aged hardware in new chasis. I’m torn between Ugreen 4800 plus and the F4-424 Max. I guess whichever makes it sooner to my country.
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Is there a trends that tech brand like to price hike and overcharge so it wont broke our bank ?
If we overcharge enough we can prevent breaking people’s bank because they stop buying it ????
Lets protect our customers
Beelink product line with basic features set might working fine for grabbing share from different market.
Synology maybe making more bays beelink products and call it a hive ?
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huh…/me puts away wallet
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I just checked local prices. 245euro
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Nas companies continue to perplex me. One would expect a DS with Intel, like a 4/6/8 bay. People who use this bee-cr*p generally don’t care what’s inside; who’s their primary target audience, like people in retirement homes who want to keep pics of their loved ones and nothing much more than that?
Then again these cr*p cpus fit these cr*p products perfectly.
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Syn should make a Terramaster F8 competitor.
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OT : Robbie, have you seen the release notes for the recent DSM update ? Any thoughts on the implications of this ? Pushining multimedia users to the BeeStation ? : ”
” Starting from this version, the processing of media files using HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs will be transitioned from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency. These codecs are widespread on end devices such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs. If the end device does not support the required codecs, the use of media files may be limited. Refer to this article for workarounds. In addition, please note the following exceptions:
Surveillance Station on DSM will continue to support server-side processing of AVC (H.264) streams, see the release notes.
Deep Video Analytics (DVA) series models and VisualStation clients will retain support for AVC (H.264) and HEVC (H.265) codecs.
To ensure package compatibility, Advanced Media Extensions (AME), File Station, Media Server, Surveillance Station, Synology Drive, Universal Search, Synology Photos and Snapshot Replication will automatically update to the latest version.
Video Station is not available on DSM 7.2.2. ”
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Thks a lot buts where’s Eddie?
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Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?
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The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We’ve had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!
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Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge
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This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.
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This was great! More please!
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I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox.
Large enterprises – will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.
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I’m pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don’t have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they’re falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products.
Secondly, I agree with Rob’s summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them.
Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.
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Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.
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Yes it is going that way.
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What you showed in your trip to cimputex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy YouTuber family man with a disk station.
When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step.
I love my disk station and Synology OS but…. Well…. The writing is on the wall.
Seeing all my favorite YouTubers on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.
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I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems ….
Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching?
Primary use, media / Plex
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Synology have already abandoned SOHO/SMB users …..The DS+ series is ancient, they are trying to force their stupid overpriced HDD’s on people and they are relying way too much on DSM to keep their customers but are not getting new customers at the same rate. And as to their foolish enterprise foray they are only a small company that has no hope competing with Dell in the enterprise storage market because they have essentially zero existing relationships with enterprise customers. This video looked to me like 4 guys fence sitting and avoiding saying the obvious because they don’t want to offend Synology …Synology is going downhill chasing a enterprise fantasy that will never happen and is already failing to keep its DSM user base updated with devices that are on a par with competitors. I suspect the winners here are going to be Qnap and Asustor ….
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Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.
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I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I’d like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It’s nice to have, but it ends there.
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They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near “enterprise”.
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That bird tho…
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Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you’ll do a regular gang conversation.
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I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved.
I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs.
I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.
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Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD for which Synology even doesn’t have any comparable product in their line.
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What do you guys think: are the 224+, 423+, 723+, 923+, 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ the last home/small business Synology NAS’es permanently?
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Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher.
If they don’t land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.
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I’m no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast’s roam, the number of “competitors” in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits.
Let’s not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology’s hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors.
DSM is great when you’re not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined.
It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won’t be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast.
If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.
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Come on, was synology ever true enterprise?
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Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don’t overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don’t have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it’s much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example… instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.
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God tier crossover✨
Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast’s Syno’s if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over…would we be screwed?
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All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE.
Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!
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All of my favourite guys in one place.
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Looks like a win-win product for both less tech-savvy users and their “don’t you work with computers?” relatives that otherwise would be called regularly with tech support issues.
Why Synology in 2024 still releases non-universal macOS software is beyond me. Especially since all of their desktop software offerings are not OS-“native” applications, but instead use software frameworks like Electron (BeeStation desktop app, at least the App Extension and the helper apps are ARM-native) or Qt (HyperBackup Explorer).
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Why didn’t you ever do a performance review of the OWC 8 SLOT M.2 PCIE RAID CARD?
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back in the day i tried setting up hyper backup from one synology to another but it was super broken due to both the source and destination shares being encrypted, have they sorted that out? have you tried backing up form one synology to another when both are encrypted? and i am referring to share folder encryption not volume
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SuperNASCompare’s Fortress of Solitude
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BSM + DSM = BDSM
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I hope they take some of the changes to the UI in BSM and put it in DSM 8. DSM looks a bit old by today’s standards of macOS and Windows 11 UIs. Be nice if they had a version of Video Station for BSM, people creating their own clouds with streaming services getting expensive is a growing market, but I guess you would just get a DSM system for that.
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I’m pretty sure that BSM is : Basic Storage Manager 🙂
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And let’s not forget BDSM.
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Second! Love your content!!!! Haha. Thanks this is very interesting! I am still exploring what advantages having a ds423+ is
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First! Love your content!!!
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