A New Synology 8-Bay NAS Has Been Leaked Online
UPDATE 13-03-25 (watch this video or this article on NASCompares)
Following the initial leaks and speculation surrounding the Synology DS1825+, we now have confirmed specifications that provide a much clearer picture of this 8-bay NAS refresh. The biggest takeaway is that many of my original predictions were correct, particularly regarding networking improvements and the lack of a major CPU change. The DS1825+ is officially confirmed to feature the AMD Ryzen V1500B processor, meaning Synology has opted to retain the same CPU as its predecessor, the DS1821+, instead of moving to the V1780B found in the DS1823xs+. While some may have hoped for a more powerful processor, this choice aligns with Synology’s pattern of maintaining long-term support for embedded Ryzen CPUs. On the networking side, my prediction that Synology would finally embrace 2.5GbE has also been confirmed—the DS1825+ includes two 2.5GbE ports, marking a significant upgrade over the previous model’s four 1GbE ports. Additionally, the Out-of-Band (OOB) management port remains, a feature that will appeal to IT professionals handling remote NAS management.
Credit to nineeast on Chiphell forum
However, there were a few details I originally speculated incorrectly. Notably, while I suggested that Synology might include a 10GbE port to better differentiate the DS1825+ from its predecessor, this has not been the case—the DS1825+ lacks native 10GbE connectivity (but there IS a new DS1825xs+ refresh server revealed too). Instead, users will have to rely on its PCIe Gen 3 slot for optional 10GbE or even 25GbE NIC upgrades. Another notable shift is in storage expansion—as expected, eSATA has been completely removed in favor of USB-C expansion, confirming the new DX525 expansion unit as the preferred method for increasing storage capacity. While the change from eSATA to USB-C is a step forward, some ambiguity remains regarding the USB-C expansion bandwidth, as Synology lists it at 6Gbps—an unusual speed given USB 3.2 standards. Additionally, the default memory configuration has been increased to 8GB ECC DDR4, further reinforcing DSM’s growing resource demands. With these confirmations, the DS1825+ is shaping up to be a well-balanced upgrade over the DS1821+, particularly for users seeking better networking without jumping to the enterprise-tier DS1823xs+.
Original Article Below:
Synology has been incredibly enterprise-focused in recent months (the last 12 or so to be specific) and although we have seen a couple of home/enthusiast systems in the Beestation BSM and DS224+ DSM system, the bulk of their hardware/software reveals have been heavily skewed towards enterprise and hyperscale (eg GS series, the ActiveProtect platform, etc). However it FINALLY looks like we are going to start seeing something for the mid tier users, the small-medium businesses and possible even an advanced home user – as the Synology DS1825+ NAS appears to have been leaked online. Massive credit here to reddit user ‘ministory‘ who noticed that the Synology US website appeared to be testing product placement and the DS1825+ listing briefly appeared (see below too).
Now, if we wanted to be cautious and ‘benefit of the doubt’ here with Synology, we could argue that this is just a page test and they plucked the DS1825+ model ID out of the air. However, the current DS1821+ is comparatively long in the took (right now, halfway through 2024) for a product series that tended to refresh every 2-2.5 years (see DS1813+, DS1815+, DS1817+, DS1819+, DS1821+). Plus, this is not the first time me and Eddie at NASCompares have observed the DS1825+ model appear online, with the model ID appearing on several product lists in the past, alongside DS1625+, DS925+ and oddly the DS1525+ – but Synology does tend to float ‘test’ model IDs out there sometimes, perhaps to reserve them internally (for every 1 model ID we discover that ends up being real, we find 2 that never cross the line and/or get renamed to a new year naming convention). That said, model IDs that are being entered into the Synology internal systems have a tendency to pop up all over the place. Example, via the licensing pages and download pages – which tends to only be the case for ‘real’ products:
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So, the repeated emergence of the DS1825+ model ID in the last few months on our alerts, plus the appearance that was spotted by /ministory, PLUS the delay in the DS1821+ usual refresh cycle leads me to believe this is LEGIT. So, with that big old caveat out the way, let’s discuss what the DS1825+ is likely to feature in terms of hardware and why, given the existing Synology portfolio, this system has a very tough spot to fill.
What Would the Specifications of a Synology DS1825+ NAS Be?
Let’s get this out the way, we do not have 100% confirmed specifications here on the Synology DS1825+ NAS – so the following is based on the following factors:
- Leaks we have observed in Synoogy /download pages that mention specific things
- The existing Synology NAS portfolio an dhow the brand approaches refreshes
- The history of Synology and this product series, in relation to the products generally considered ‘above’ and ‘below’ it
So, straight away, here are the things we can largely guarantee:
- Usual 8-Bay Diskstation Enclosure
- 8x SATA 3.5″/2.5″ Storage Bays
- 2x m.2 NVMe SSD Bays
- ECC Memory
- Expandability via 2x 5 Bay Expansions (possibly the new DX525 Enclosure – ID floating around)
- USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A Ports
- PCIe Upgrade slot, support 10/25GbE NICs
- Network Connectivity on the Synology DS1825+ NAS
Let’s discuss the Synology DS1825+ NAS CPU Predictions…
Now, let’s discuss the CPU! As this is something of a issue to discuss. The DS1821+ arrived with the quad core AMD embedded Ryzzen V1500B. This CPU has been in use via Synology systems for the better part of 4-5 Years (first featured on the DS1621+) and more often than not, when Synology refresh a product series, they CPU is the bit they focus on – as that is the part that is most susceptible to change by the CPU manufacturer. So, initially I would have said that the DS1825+ would arrive with the V1780B Processor (as Synology have used this in x23/x24 generation upgrades already (eg the RS2423+ here). HOWEVER, Synology have already got an 8-Bay system with the V1780B processor, in the DS1823xs+ (a 10GbE equipped 8 Bay that is around $800-1000 more than the DS1821+). I really, EREALLY cannot see Synology rolling out the DS1825+ with the same CPU as the DS1823xs+ series – which is typically on a 5 year refresh cycle (as most XS enterprise devices are). So, that leads to the question- what else? Well, remember when Synology first introduced the AMD-embedded Ryzen series? They made ALOT of noise about how one of the reasons they opted for it (aside from the thread counts, power vs ability, etc) was that AMD will support this CPU for 10 years! Unlike a lot of Intel offerings in Celeron and Xeon which have a shorter time before ‘refreshes’ – which means the NAS brand is forced to refresh and/or swap out a CPU and swallow the cost changes), a CPU with a 10 year support cycle allows NAS brands to use it for much ,MUCH longer in their systems and their software services. Synology is not aversed to ‘sticking with a CPU for a long time’ *cough the Intel J4125*. So, unless Synology pull a brand new CPU SKU out of nowhere in the AMD embedded series (not impossible, but pretty unlikely, as from their POV they do not need to), I think it’s likely they will STICK with the V1500B. Which, if true, leads to the question – how is the DS1825+ NAS going to be a refresh/improvement on the DS1821+ NAS? My guess… network connectivity.
| Feature | AMD V1500B
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AMD V1780B
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| Architecture | Zen | Zen |
| Cores / Threads | 4 / 4 | 4 / 8 |
| Base Clock Speed | 2.2 GHz | 3.35 GHz |
| Max Boost Clock Speed | Not specified | 3.6 GHz |
| L3 Cache | 4 MB | 8 MB |
| TDP | 25W | 25W |
| Memory Support | DDR4-2666 | DDR4-3200 |
| PCIe Support | PCIe 3.0 | PCIe 3.0 |
| Manufacturing Process | 14nm | 14nm |
| Integrated Graphics | No | No |
| Virtualization | Yes | Yes |
| Max Temperature | 95°C | 95°C |
| Launch Date | Q3 2019 | Q2 2020 |
| 1GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
| 2.5GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
| 10GbE Support | Yes | Yes |
The Synology DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity and Memory Explored A Little…
Again, heavily ‘pinch of salt’ territory here, but I think the main difference we are going to see in the DS1825+ over the DS1821+ is not going to be the CPU, it will be the network connectivity. Earlier, I mentioned the RS2423+ and the new V1780B CPU it arrived with. Well, that wasn’t the only new change to form that it featured. It also featured 8GB memory (rather than the usual 4GB) and 10GbE out the gate, as opposed to 4x 1GbE as previously used. Now, that (at least in terms of SYnology) was a big step up. Adding double memory and adding 10 Gigabit, but keeping the same pricing as the previous generation was a solid/positive move. So, what about the DS1825+ NAS Network Connectivity? I think 8GB base level memory will happen – DSM has fast become so ‘background process’ heavy that 4GB for business use is already looking like the done thing (as also observed in the DS1522+ too). Plus, 4GB ECC and 8GB ECC, via a single module, will be a small price point for Synology in a new refresh. However, IF Synology keep the V1500B CPU in the 8-Bay Diskstation (again, I think likely), how do you differentiate it from the DS1821+ AND still keep it ‘below’ the DS1823xs+, without adding ‘too much’ (from a Synology brand perspective)? The easy answer is 10GbE. Adding 10GbE to the DS1825+ NAS seems like an easy way to make it a solid refresh over the DS1821+ – however, they probably CANNOT DO THAT, as that will IMMEDIATELY hit the DS1823xs+ USPs (aside from the memory and 5year warranty). Synology have been incredibly tactical over the years about their portfolio, spreading things out beating across tiers, product families and utilities. Realistically, they cannot add 10GbE to the DS1825+, without increasing the price OR reducing the price to maintain the overall Diskstation portfolio.
BUT… there is a 3rd option. 2.5GbE. Synology have been incredibly dismissive of 2.5GBASE-T in the last 5 years, whilst many other brands, ISP routers, consumer goods and more have begun to embrace it, as at the manufacture point, it is largely the same price to add a 2.5G NIC as a 1G NIC. Also, the V1500B (and V1780B for that matter) both support 2.5GbE protocols. I know this as 1) other V1500B/1780B systems in the market from competitors have featured native 2.5GbE, and 2) we highlighted this fact during our review of the DS1821+ back in 2021, stating “its a shame that Synology still restricts base level network connections at 4x 1GbE – here“, when the CPU supports 2.5GbE”. Given the increasing support of SMB multichannel on client systems (especially compared with the comparative messiness of LAG/Trunking in smaller setups), 2.5GbE is now a great deal more desirable. Also (this one is a little ‘inside baseball’), 2.5GBASE-T has appeared in a few official Synology places (inadvertently, I might add) and although this could easily be referring to an official USB-NIC, the brand has made strides to disable a lot of USB support in recent years (for reasons of security) and this would be counter to these efforts. I think it’s more likely than its ever been that Synology will finally begin embracing 2.5GbE and given the difficulty that a DS1825+ would have in it’s placement between the DS1821+ and the DS1825+, the only way that Synology could differential it would be 2.5GbE (short of a whole new CPU of course.. but that seems even less likely!).
When Do We Think We Will Hear More about the Synology DS1825+ NAS?
Right now, what we have here is an appearance of the DS1825+ model SKU on the official Synology product pages that was quickly removed, as well as mentioned of the product ID already in the past via download/resource pages (and of course, the delay of this system arriving as the predicted refresh of the DS1821+, released in Dec 2020). So, it’s all very murky! But, realistically, this product family is way, way to popular to be killed off and/or not refreshed, as the only alternative would be the more expensive DS1825+. Additionally, the DS18xx+ range has always arrived in the Autum of the year (going be the DS1821+. DS1819+, DS1817+, etc). So, I would predict the DS1825+ NAS arriving formally in late Q3/Q4 2024 (so Sept-Nov), and at a similar price to the DS1821+. Needless to say, as soon as I know more (as well as get a couple of other background bits confirmed), I will update this article, and share more. Don’t forget to subscribe to NASCompares below, or even just sign up for alerts to this article, to be the first in the know! Have a fantastic week!
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Xpenology, HERE WE COME!!!
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i would still consider this garbage Hardware when the price go down 30%.
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After 8 months: crickets.
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Downgrading a Synology NAS, such as the DS224+, from DSM 7.2.2 to DSM 7.2.1 is not officially supported by Synology, as their policy typically only allows forward updates. However, it is possible to perform an unofficial downgrade using a manual process. This involves resetting the system, manipulating the DSM version file, and installing the desired version. Below are the steps tailored for your DS224+ model, but please note the following:
– **Disclaimer**: This is an unofficial method, not supported by Synology. Proceed at your own risk, as it could lead to data loss, system instability, or bricking your NAS if done incorrectly. Always back up your data first.
– **Prerequisites**: You’ll need a computer with Synology Assistant installed, a terminal application (like PuTTY for Windows or Terminal for macOS), and the DSM 7.2.1 .pat file for the DS224+.
### Steps to Downgrade DSM 7.2.2 to 7.2.1 on DS224+
1. **Backup Your Data**
Before proceeding, back up all data on your DS224+ to an external drive or another device using Hyper Backup or another method. A downgrade can potentially wipe settings or data, so this step is critical.
2. **Download Required Files**
– Go to the Synology Download Center (synology.com/support/download), select “DS224+”, and locate the DSM 7.2.1 full installation file (e.g., `DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`). Avoid incremental update files.
– Also, create a “fake” .pat file: Open a text editor, type a few random characters (e.g., “test”), and save it as `fake_DS224+.pat`.
3. **Enable SSH and Telnet**
– Log in to DSM on your DS224+.
– Go to **Control Panel > Terminal & SNMP**, enable both SSH and Telnet services, and apply the changes.
4. **Reset the NAS to a Migratable State**
– Go to **Control Panel > Update & Restore > Reset**, and select “Reset system configuration” (this keeps your data but wipes settings).
– After the reset, the NAS will restart and enter a “migratable” state.
5. **Locate the NAS with Synology Assistant**
– Open Synology Assistant on your computer and scan for your DS224+. It should appear with a status of “Migratable” and a temporary DHCP IP address.
– Note the IP address displayed.
6. **Trigger an Error with the Fake .pat File**
– In Synology Assistant, right-click the DS224+ and select “Install” or “Update.”
– Choose the fake .pat file (`fake_DS224+.pat`) and start the installation. It will fail at around 4-5%, opening the Telnet port (23). This is intentional.
7. **Access the NAS via Telnet**
– Open a terminal application (e.g., PuTTY on Windows or Terminal on macOS).
– Select Telnet, enter the NAS IP address from Step 5, set the port to 23, and connect.
– Log in with username `root` and password `101-0101`.
8. **Edit the VERSION File**
– Once logged in, type the following command to edit the DSM version file:
“`
vi /etc/VERSION
“`
– Press `i` to enter insert mode, then overwrite the contents with the following (specific to DSM 7.2.1 for DS224+):
“`
majorversion=”7″
minorversion=”2″
productversion=”7.2.1″
buildphase=”GM”
buildnumber=”64570″
smallfixnumber=”0″
builddate=”2023/06/01″
buildtime=”00:00:00″
“`
– Press `Esc`, then type `:wq` and press Enter to save and exit.
9. **Install DSM 7.2.1**
– Return to Synology Assistant, locate the NAS again (it may still show as migratable), and select “Install” or “Update.”
– This time, choose the real DSM 7.2.1 .pat file (`DSM_DS224+_64570.pat`) you downloaded in Step 2.
– Proceed with the installation. The NAS will reboot once complete.
10. **Verify and Restore**
– After rebooting, log in to DSM via your browser using the NAS IP. It should now run DSM 7.2.1.
– Restore your data and settings from the backup if needed.
### Important Notes
– **Data Risk**: While this method aims to preserve data, there’s no guarantee. If the storage pool or volumes are incompatible due to changes between versions, you may need to recreate them, losing data.
– **Post-Downgrade Issues**: Some packages or settings from 7.2.2 may not work on 7.2.1 and might require reinstallation or repair via Package Center.
– **Official Alternative**: If this process fails or seems too risky, consider contacting Synology Support for guidance, though they may recommend a fresh install of 7.2.1, which wipes everything.
If you encounter errors (e.g., “file corrupt” or “cannot initialize disks”), double-check the .pat file integrity (use a checksum if available) and ensure you’re using the correct DS224+ version. Let me know if you need further assistance!
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Please don’t recommend Synology NAS anymore after they kill their customer by DSM 7.2.2.
They can steal what they deliver. And they will do the same thing in the future again and again. Don’t trust Synology.
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If they’d bothered to ask the consumers, they’d realize we want a 10GBE option and good hardware transcoding with 5 storage bays, USB-C 10BGPS expansion and a wider selection of compatible drives. But nooo let’s do the opposite.
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TBH I expect a NAS in 2025 to be capable of idling down to 1 or 2 watts of power consumption. Every 100w of draw = $166/yr. This rating is rarely talked about.
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I got 923+ like a month ago ????????????
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I am so angry right now!!! I waiting and waiting for new Synology NASes with newer hardware. But this is total bullshit from Synology!
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how are the new NAS’s with plex?
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What you came for 4:28.
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Very dissapointing. The only reason to buy a NAS from Synology is its software which is undoubtly the best software out there. Personally I’ve migrated to QNAP.
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Why would they change hardware if what u have its enough for everything? Maybe u get 2 more years for support if u buy this . But in 10 or 8 years later i am sure u buy another one meantime 🙂
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I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to upgrade my 920+. This isn’t it.
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Thanks to you but no thanks Synology.
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What watch are you wearing? it looks classic 80’s
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So the same Celeron processor where they disabled video transcoding and possibly hard drive restrictions. Bye Synology. Looks like I’m moving to Asustor.
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I gave up late last year and built my own truenas based box. Only thing i miss is synology active backup.
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Haven’t finished the video yet but hoping they have 10gbe ethernet like the ugreen nas systems
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I’m currently on a 920+. Was hoping to upgrade it this year but the fact there’s no integrated graphics will be a step back for me as I often stream Emby away from home and the transcoding is already slow enough, unless the CPU in these new boxes manages to be faster than the integrated graphics it’s a hard no from me. Maybe if they support more than 8GB of RAM I could be tempted but looks like I’m skipping another generation
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I’m currently on a 920+. Was hoping to upgrade it this year but the fact there’s no integrated graphics will be a step back for me as I often stream Emby away from home and the transcoding is already slow enough, unless the CPU in these new boxes manages to be faster than the integrated graphics it’s a hard no from me. Maybe if they support more than 8GB of RAM I could be tempted but looks like I’m skipping another generation
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If this is accurate (and I only say if because Synology haven’t officially announced it to us yet, but those photos seem legit), that’s embarrassing. I’ve recently come to the conclusion that I really need a NAS, and because of your videos I came to the conclusion that Synology is the best choice both in general and specifically for certain parts of my use case. I was fully prepared to pull the trigger on the DS1825+, but not with that hardware. At this point, I’ll just get some more powerful solution, and just deal with the wacky software.
I was expecting they’d refresh with one of the new CPUs that has an NPU (so they can advertise it as “AI”, but it’d at least be way faster than a 2016 AMD cpu, even moreso with facial recognition in the photos app), and I would’ve really loved to see thunderbolt support (for faster temporary connections to your laptop).
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I need for Plex server, what brands should I move to? This is just disappointing
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These are refreshes, not improvements. I currently rock a DS-918+ with 32GB of ram, two 500GB Cache drives, and four 8TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro drives. This setup with the Intel Celeron J3455 has video transcoding which is important for me. Synology has only upped the network, while trimming internal functionality, again.
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shena haba’a besinologya 2026?
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No surprise. Synology has moved to enterprise customers for some years now, not catering to individuals anymore. UGreen is coming on strong and more coming for us users.
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nothing coming out for Slim? Oh I saw… 6:00 the DS625slim
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Wow, new products made from trash, eco-friendly products from Synology
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I don’t buy this product. I’m embarrassed to say it’s new.
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What a waste of an opportunity for Synology! Who, in their right mind, would upgrade from a DS923+ to a DS925+. You lose the 10GBe and get the same level of performance. If they made a leap to current edge technology with 10GBe built in, I would upgrade. Also, they should be including Thunderbolt 5 support. USBC, really? Synology needs to be bought out, reworked, and made relevant as a new technology provider. This is just silly! Time to fire the R&D department.
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Thanks for letting us all know – keep it up!! 🙂 Just bought the DS1621+ & the T1 10Gbe card. Luckily, I do not regret this.
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So they took away the 10 gb option for a built in 2.5? No thank you, Id rather and did buy the 10 gb adapter card and am pretty much future proof there albeit with extra $$ up front
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Only 1 expansion unit on the 1525+? That’s a bit of a downgrade. Why didn’t synology just put in a 10gbps usb-c controller and 2 usb-c ports, that way not a downgrade to expandability and an upgrade to connection type.
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Could you make a video about a Synology NAS + Mac mini solution as a home server? Since the performance of these synology systems seems to never increase, I thought it would be a good combo, using the Mac for all processor intensive tasks and the synology mainly for storage. I am getting annoyed with plex on my DS720+ and thought an upgrade would help, but after seeing the specs of the new gen, it does not seem worth it. There are few articles about this kind of setup online.
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I had to check if it was Aprils fools day. It’s a shame what they did. Such a missed opportunity. This is a goodby for me Synology.
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Synology has let us down again! Here are two key reasons:
1. No 10Gb networking installed
2. No integrated graphics
Why continue using outdated technology? At the very least, give consumers the option to buy truly high-end features. What do you all think? Would you pay more for top shelf?
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It is completely beyond me how people still spend their hard earned money on Synology garbage NAS’s (1GB NICs, 2/4GB RAM, deficient CPUs, lack of PCIe expansion etc). Then to make matters worst they pour salt in the wound with restrictions on which RAM & HDDs you can install unless of course you spend extra money unnecessarily for the Synology branded options. They even restrict you from using NVME drives as storage drives unless they’re Synology branded smdh.
I guess the only purpose Synology serves is to somewhat keep QNAP on their toes.
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❤ I’ve been watching you for years and I love your commitment and trustworthy viewpoint of what you know based on experience. Thank you. Love, Greg ???? And love, Synology
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I wonder if anyone from Synology reads threads like this. I would think they would expect excitement over the release of several new products. But instead it is overwhelming disappointment. At the time of this writing, there are 260 comments and I have seen only a small handful of positive thoughts sprinkled in. And even those are really just in defense of using older CPUs; I don’t see ANY that are truly excited.
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I just bought a 224+ last week. Ugh. Figures for my first step into this world and I am upgrading my house to 2.5g
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My 1019+ with 16G RAM, 2.5G adapter and HW transcoding with a lifetime Plex pass gives me no reason to upgrade. I’ve sold my surveillance station licences and deleted the app. I will not be handcuffed to Synology only HDD’s and continually see apps and functionality being removed. This is my last Synology Box
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I’m on a 918+ wanting to upgrade and this is beyond disappointing. I’m very interested in the that mini pc Nas I saw a few videos on. At least I can say the 918+ has been sold for years but, synology seems to be stuck in the apple ???? mentality. Seems they think they can sell the same thing every year and everyone continues to buy. I guess it’s definitely time to move on!
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QNAP has got my money. For a turnkey nas they are just great. Gave up on syno 2 years ago, the writing was on the wall and you cant fix stupid.
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I have a ds414play and have been considering upgrading. Based on the underwhelming hardware described in this video, why shouldn’t I just buy a Mac Mini with Thunderbolt 5? It seems you have to really really like DSM software to stay with Synology.
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My DS1817+ died in November 2023 and, thinking that a replacement for the DS1821+ was due out anytime I’ve been waiting ever since. I’m just glad that the DS1825+ is coming out and that I’ll get the full software support for 10 years (?) rather than going for a DS1821+ with 6 (?) years of support? I’m fairly certain that my DS1817+ has a motherboard that has failed and I’m just hoping that the disks are okay!!!
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Will carry on running my ProLiant 4 bay Xpenology until the next release and hope for something better.I really want to buy a Synology but not there present junk
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I think Synology’s increasingly restrictive compatibility requirements on RAM, NVMEs and HDDs are becoming a deal breaker. In particular their requirement to use synology brand RAM and NVMEs make their use prohibitively expensive – difficult to justify in price performance terms. Forcing people to use Synology branded HDDs restricts upgrade and modernisation paths. These policies are short sighted.
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My rs2821+ will be my last Synology. Using unraid now. But thanks to synology it really helped me when i was still starting.
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Honest question from a NAS beginer that I’ve been waiting for a new Synology NAS: I read all the dissapointed on the comments, and people name Ungreen and others but what about THE SOFTWARE!!! the real value of the Synology is the software, my fear of go to Ungreen is being hacked due the software.
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I was vainly hoping for a decent intel based media server NAS somewhere in the Synology line-up that would supersede my 920+ but last month I gave up and built my own set-up and switched over to TrueNAS Scale – fair to say there was a steep learning curve but now I have a much much better system for my media. I keep a 224+ for work files and that’s adequate for basic storage. Overall the Synology refresh is just a bit “meh”.
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well… ether a year or two old use model from them or building/ugreen. i knew covid would have a many year knock on affects for parts.. but show how little overall og stock there was on parts.
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What an absolute joke! Synology is clueless. The only good thing about these 2025 models is that they will make the current models cheaper! I absolutely will NOT be buying any of these new models. Seriously, 98% of these specs are the same… and the lack of PCIe and or 10GbE standard on most of the :refresh” is an insult to 2025 buyers. Complete middle finger to consumers and it’s existing customer base! Seriously, just buy a two bay unit for the software and call it a day!
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If it is their response to the numerous successful NASes released recently, then they will loose a lot of customers.
I personally wanted to migrate my home NAS from 2-bay to 4-6 bays. I waited till their release because I love the software. But it does not make any sense. Old, slow and ineffective CPUs, memory limitations, Ethernet limitations, no integrated GPU on most models. These devices are obsolete even before release.
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Should’ve named the video “Synology announces their newest line of factory direct E-Waste for 2025”
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“We have plenty of stock of very cheap or discontinued products… That we can sell at golden price with an additional price of 25% (thank you to Trump).” – Syno
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Time to go DIY.
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Just moving to 2.5Gig , when the other vendors are moving to 10Gig. I currently have a DS920+ the 2, 1Gig ports trunked. I was hoping they would have advanced a little further by now. Disappointing, will move on.
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Too late, already got the QNAP h973ax with 10gbe and 32gb ram a few months ago….. Maybe when that device is EOL in 2029, Synology will have 10gb and 32gb ram as standard ? ????
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I’m actually liking my gen 3 asustor lockster as6804t over my ds1019+. Bye bye Synology, you just confirmed why i had to leave the brand.
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7:14 because they’re cheap. I’m sure they got some insane discount on old inventory from Intel or such.
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Welcome to 1984! Now definitely moving to the competitors.
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Pathetic. I’ve been waiting for this announcement see if I could finally upgrade my DS1513. Instead I’ll be building an Unraid server.
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Thank you for all you do. I hate hearing this as I’m really wanting to replace my ancient QNAP TS-419P II 4bay. Suggestions anyone?
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time to move away from synology….
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Oh goodie, 2.5 GbE whoop-de-do! No 10 GbE upgrade option?!?????
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Well, Synology is helping me to save money by not releasing products that are worth upgrading to. My good old DS1520+ will keep being the main unit and my DS723+ will keep being the backup unit. Nothing here to be exited about!
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Hopefully, we will see decent closeout prices on the existing versions.
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Saw this coming a mile away. I’ve completely ditched Synology hardware and am rocking the 10-core Intel 1235U in my Ugreen DXP8800 running Proxmox and Synology DSM in a VM and couldn’t be happier. Performance is leagues beyond my old DS1821.
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Counting the days it will take before Synology will put this in their News section on their website
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I would fire the product manager and his department. You are risking the future of the company with these poor decisions.
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Been waiting for a new 6 bay for years now. Needless to say that I’m highly disappointed that it’s not in the picture… And even if I decided to go to a different model, the “upgrades” are equally disappointing. I’ve always hesitated to move on from Synology, now I’m getting more and more convinced I should make the move (probably QNap)
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Will the DS1825+ be able to be upgradable to 10G with use of axpansion slot like one can with the DS1821+?
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In my eyes Syno is more and more losing ground in terms of hardware.
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Very disappointed, I have waited long for the DS1825+ to replace my DS1522+ with 10Gbe, but I’ve decided to replace the disks with bigger ones instead.
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2.5 gbps? Hell froze over!
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Looks Like I have to learn TrueNas.
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Synology is just not interesting anymore. The feature set is has been. They have nothing to compete with.
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Glad I went for a UGREEN NAS
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i feel like this was a blast from the past. are these new devices? lol
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Synology once again shows the middle finger to SOHO and Plex users. Looks like I’ll be going with a UGreen solution to update my aging DS916+…….if only UGreen sold NAS directly in the UK!
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Why are so many people crying, these manage spinning sata disks, they don’t need the latest CPU.
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It’s disappointing, but for me, it is all about the software i can not go away what ever. Synology Drive and Snology Photos are for me not easy to replace.
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My Aoostar R5 has 64GB of ram and amd 5820u running truenas. These sonology seem 10 years behind
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Nah, one step forward and another back… Synology aren’t leading with innovation here it’s barely catching up. No 10 Gig, not interested then… shame DSM wasn’t available as a standalone OS.
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Genuine upgrades or a knee jerk to ugreen and Ubiquiti offerings?
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These “refreshes” are pathetic.
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Do not spend your time:
Highlight- Synology decided to use 2.5g nic in 2025, that’s the whole upgrade. (Feel free to close).
Everything else is negligible and not even an upgrade if you had a model above average before.
PS: never heard of most disappointing upgrade in life
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All the Synology fans who kept telling us, okay, the hardware sucks, but their OS is worth the price. Do you still agree?
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The fact that they still have enough of that Celeron J4125 (a 2019 proccessor that is EoL) on-hand to build an entire new 2025 model (who knows when that will see EoL since it’s not like they upgrade annually) should tell you all you need to know about this companies foresight. 2.5GBe is their big leap forward in connectivity standards? Most have moved on to 5GBe or even 10GBe by now and ol’ Synology out here dipping a toe in the 2.5GBe waters in 2025. Wow. Rocking my DS920+ for the foreseeable future and then I’ll be doing anything but Synology for the next NAS.
To think that I used to complain when Synology had poor rack offerings. If only that were still the issue in 2025. For others reading, Ubiquiti released a NAS last year called the UNAS Pro that’s a 2u rack-mountable chassis, 10GBe networking, redundant powering options and 7-drive bays for a retail price of $499. And that’s from one of the more notorious names in over-charging for tech, mind you. If you want real business-class data storage there’s far better options now and for the foreseeable future from the looks of things.
In terms of pro-sumer and enthusiasts (who Synology seems to hate now even though they wouldn’t exist w/o them), it wouldn’t take much for Ubiquiti to add an integrated graphics CPU, expandable RAM and application/docker support to that UNAS Pro to release an upgraded UNAS called the MAX Pro XCG LMNOP (or whatever) for probably $699. RIP Synology. I would say it’s been a good run but I don’t feel like lying.
Thanks again for another great video and doing all of the legwork on this video though so the rest of us don’t have to endure the brain damage only to find out it’s another dud of a year. You helped me a lot with my NAS choice years ago and I’ll be watching closely over the coming months/years to see what other offerings become viable as their software matures.
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I won’t mind synology using those e-waste cpus “IF” they priced properly.
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Since I’m buying a Synology for its great software, the 925+ looks quite appealing to me. I don’t mind that they’re a bit conservative with hardware updates..
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No DS925+ with intel ?
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No GPU again – dogshit
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I’ll take an unpopular stance. Unless they restrict the new units to Synology only drives (which may be a showstopper as I won’t be able to just transfer my current disk array into the new unit) I’ll likely be upgrading my trusty DS1512+ to the DS1525+. For me Synology gives the rock solid reliability in hardware and software that I need. The 2.5Gb ports will be welcome, but I won’t need 10Gb anytime soon. The new processor will also be sufficient for my needs for quite a while. The additional memory will be great as will nvme caching.
Clearly I’m not a power user, but there are probably more people and businesses like me out there than there are power users who might need the latest and greatest. Not everybody needs or wants a Lamborghini when an ultra reliable Toyota will do them just fine.
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When are they available for sale?
I just bought an 224+ yesterday wich I could return for 30 days.
I was waiting for so long for 2,5gbe nics since I’m running ssd’s in the unit.
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Does Synology offer ZFS on any of their hardware? I know there are more hardware requirements for ZFS, but that is what I am really looking for from Synology.
I am currently using a DS923+. But I am reading about a lot of advantages to using ZFS.
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how many tons of J4125 do they still have?
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Synology never fails to disappoint, guess they want everyone to switch to xpenology or Truenas!
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While I agree with the sentiments expressed here over the lack of hardware updates from Synology, it’s important to remember that what makes a good NAS is it’s software. Hardware is easy, software is hard. The thing I like about my pair of Synology NAS’s is DSM. Things just work. No fuss, no tinkering, no intermittent failures or erratic behaviour.
Most home users really do not require 10GbE or faster CPU’s etc. They’re nice to have but for the majority of home users, I think the hardware, though dated, is sufficient for their use case.
My biggest concern about moving away from DSM is the quality of the OS being used. For example, I don’t know if UGreen, Terramaster or QNAP offer a Synology Drive equivalent, and if they do, if it’s as dependable and easy to configure.
For me, it’s the OS that is the prime factor for a NAS and the hardware a secondary consideration. You can have decent functionality with an excellent OS running on slower hardware, but poor software on the best hardware is next to useless.
Sure, I don’t like the way Synology has gone with regards hard drives etc, and I’m not saying I’d stay with Synology forever. I’m just concerned over the quality of the software of other solutions.
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Excellent news, Synology well done ????
You could have gone all the way, with state of the art new Ryzens, and Intel N series. Forcing your customers to upgrade… but your being eco friendly, using that warehouse of CPUs you over purchased in 2019!
You’ve just saved me about £3000..
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SYnology don’t have to do anything …. with Asustor pricing themselves out of the market and Qnap still less then stellar with Customer support it is really only the Chinese brands with their software issues that can offer any real competition however ….IF UNIFI actually did a proper NAS -Game over
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I would 1000% jump ship to another NAS platform with better hardware, if it wasn’t for the free Active Backup for Business license we get with Synology NAS. The other software solutions that I found are just too expensive for personal use. This could be a good video to cover if you were able to compare other bare bones backup software solutions (hopefully with de-duplication) in comparison to active backup for business.
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Once UGREEN figures out their OS, it’s basically game over for Synology. That’s saying a lot since it’ll take a long time for them to figure that out, but man does their hardware just smoke synology’s 2019 processor bullshit with a premium price tag.
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They have been pushing these 4125j for so many years. How much more can they have ?
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It seems like synology is all in on passive income ????????
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Just bankruot synology if that is what you are planning to do
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hahahahaha! we have lots of cpus going cheap lets charge people silly money for old tech. Jesus! just build your own for way cheaper and 100x faster
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What a JOKE.. If it weent for their ease of use id be out.
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Already gave up on synology and this just seals it, have 1522+ and planning a DIY rackmout with better spec than synology which im sure will cost me less than synology
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Lol I’m out
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A N D they are hobbling their apps like the photos app.
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Excellent vid. Crap lifecycle. Keeping my 916+ going
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Sounds like they just moved the bandwidth around and cut what they needed to balance the output. They must have way overbought those old cpu’s.
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the poor showing at Computex motivated me to stop waiting for new a DS9/DS15 product and just build a NAS from scratch, was scared for a minute that I had missed out here but am quite happy with my Q670 build, good to see they’re ditching 1GbE but my machine has 2 x 2.5GbE and I’ve got a PCIe5.0 x16 slot
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This brand is stupid. I’m moving forward with DIY TrueNas.
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Goodbye Synology – hello Ugreen ????. Synology should go back and read what happened to Blackberry – THAT is their future. I’m buying 2x Ugreen devices, can run native OS, Unraid or Truenas. Then there are options like GMKtek and Lincstation, so long story short, Synology have missed the boat and will be playing catch-up to get some of their market share back!
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With this new lineup my DS716+II still looks pretty shiny. Not a lot has changed in those years.
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I’m very happy with my UGreen 4800plus. . . .
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*Update* In order to better track each of the new Synology NAS revealed at this event, I have made update pages for each device below. Additionally, as mentioned in the video, I am canvassing user feedback on these new releases (ideally existing Synology NAS users and/or SIs – system integrators) for a follow up video soon. put your feedback in the comments below or in the Reddit thread here – https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/1ja7hmq/discussing_the_news_on_synology/
Synology DS525+, DS1525+, DS425+, DS1825+, DS1825xs+, DS225+ NAS Reveal https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds525-ds1525-ds425-ds1825-and-more-revealed/
Synology DS925+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds925-nas-news/
Synology DS1525+ NAS Leak https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1525-nas-revealed/
Synology DS425+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825-nas-news/
Synology DS425+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds425-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825xs+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds1825xs-nas-revealed/
Synology DS225+ NAS News https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds225-nas-revealed/
Synology DS1825+ NAS Leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvpgpeKEE0A
Synolgoy DS625slim 6-Bay NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synolgoy-ds625slim-6-bay-nas-revealed/
Synology DS725+ NAS Revealed https://nascompares.com/news/synology-ds725-nas-revealed/
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Very unimpressive. The same CPU as my 1621+, and no 10GbE?
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Should have drank the coffee before editing – you’ve got two outros back to back 😉
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Waiting to see a Nascompares review of the Aoostar WRT Max before I decide if I’m going for a turnkey or a diy.
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When is the release date ?
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Fingers crossed the new DS725+ finally gets a USB on the backside to plug in the UPS… plugging it in on the front is just ridiculous.
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It seems to me like Synology is trying to balance the effects of technological progress by applying some form of reverse Moore’s Law. In a few more years, their refreshed product line will match the performance of my 10 year old DS214. Tired of waiting for them, time to look elsewhere.
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Great video as always
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I just ordered my first NAS 1522+; should I cancel and get the 1525+?
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Are we ever going to see a synology with snapdragon processor?
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Nice of them. I’ve already moved on to another NAS. It’s too late for me.
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My guess is the quote of USB at 6 Gb is a mistake and somebody was thinking of SATA… to engineer 6 GB USB wouldn’t make any sense, especially given how little effort they’ve put into these upgrades
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Is it true that Synology now requires you use Synology branded drives? If I wanted to buy the DS1825+ and put in 8x 4TB SSDs, must I use Synology?
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Has Synology become the iPhone of NAS? Very little innovation over the years.
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Still not seeing any reason to move up from my Synology DS918+ which I bought just after launch. Sorry Synology, your software is amazing and I’ve had no issues with any of my previous purchases. I guess I’m just not your preferred customer anymore.
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If a new one with ‘same hardware’ just 2.5gbe costs much more than the usb to 2.5Gbe adapter, people should might consider buy 2.5Gbe adapter only and save money (if they already have one) and if they don’t, maybe by an old model, and if want, buy 2 adapters one as backup ???? and still saving money
The prices are ‘crazy’ and for example here in brazil, they’re totally crazy.
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I swear, Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists is one of the best books I’ve read. It’s life-changing.
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I recommend everyone to find the book titled Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists, It changed my life.
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Why isn’t everyone talking about Bevelorus The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists this book is next level
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it’s really crazy how nobody is talking about the book bevelorus the hidden codex of the financial alchemists
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This is why I’m working on putting my own home server together. I won’t be using any discontinued hardware.
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It’s crazy how this book isn’t blowing up yet. The Hidden Codex of the Financial Alchemists on Bevelorus is packed with real gems.
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Underpowered and overpriced.
With all those new NAS (ugreen and others) I don’t know why one should choose Synology at this time, apart from the software (but we have truenas, unraid…)
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very surprised about the missing 1621+ update..
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i feel so bad for selling my old nas, this is just shit, no 10GBE ON THE 1825???? JOKE COMPANY, its time to buy unifi unas pro with 2bay synology for phone backup only
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I looked at the Mona Lisa in summer of ’22. It was as underwhelming as these boxes.
Who wants to bet: all still on kernel 4.4.x.
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Fantasic news. Thanks for putting this out so quickly – it’s made my day (sad, I know!). I use a 920+ and skipped the 923+ because I could not believe the dumb and short sighted approach by Synology by not including 2.5GbE on it, a MASSIVE fail, IMO. But this 925+ looks like it’s going to be my next NAS, BUT, will I be able to remove my 4 drives out of my 920+ and just drop them in to my 925+ when it arrives???
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Intel J4125, comon Synology, with N100/305 out there? i understand not moving right away, because of their policy into having more stable setups, but by now the N100/305 are probably the best choices for small server.
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Sounds like a cash grab. Fuck’em.
Nice watch, btw.
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Very disappointing release. The competition is crushing Synology with innovation and performance. Seems like Blackberry all over again.
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For the expansion units, the USB-C port is probably connected directly to the processors of the DS and the expansion units, but the drives are all connected with SATA protocols and hardware, so they can’t promess any more speed than SATA 6Gbps even if the port is 10Gbps. Maybe the port is USB-C 10Gbps and can be used for other means tho?
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Moved to Terra master F4 424 last year, after being with Synology since my very first NAS donkeys years ago. Looking at this refresh it was still a good move. I can use it with TOS6 or anything else I choose, pick the drives I want, Synology these days is just over priced Cr@p. Love this channel and thanks for getting up so early.
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A good time to check where ugreen is at
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meh, if it aint broke dont fix it.. they probably have a huge stockpile of those old CPU’s they are trying to get rid of. For storage.. they are more than adequate.. for people that want more and more out of their appliance.. docker.. vms.. this isn’t the right choice.. but it never was..
lets hope they create a new series for power users like that.. other wise.. you gotta build something yourself.
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Excellent presentation. Thank you. A bit disappointed to be honest. Was hoping for 10GbE on the 1825+.
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Synology demonstrating why they need to go under…………get bent, Synology. you suck so much taint.
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I’m just waiting to see if we can use nvme as storage. If not, I’m moving on.
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Duck Synology. No more health check on non Synology drives. They lost my business years ago and I needed more 12 bays.
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Just set up my new DS923+ yesterday…… Would have liked the 2.5gbe but doesn’t really look like I’ve missed out on much. And still have the 10gbe option should I ever actually need it!
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Great roundup man! The 7/9/15 series not supporting 10GbE would be such a letdown!
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No Synology for me, plz.
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Two x 2.5 is much better than 4×1 in LAG. While 4×1 LAG gives you a combined 4Gbbps of bandwidth its only 1Gbbps PER STREAM. Dual 2.5’s in lag gives you 5Gbbps aggregate, which yeah is a 1G upgrade, but ALSO gives you 2.5Gbps per stream which is a huge improvement.
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Oh dear. Time to find another solution.
As usual, thanks for pulling this together!
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Well, saying I’m disappointed is a big understatement!
I feel even more disappointed than when they announced the RS1821+ without nVME slots! ????
I think it’s time to move on…
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Been running multiple Synology NAS units since the days of the DS207. With the other competitors listening to what their non enterprise users want, I can’t help but continue to look elsewhere for my daily driver NAS. Having a UGREEN and QNAP, those both continue to just look better (if their software can be as reliable).
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Curious if the dx525 has any improvement due to usb-c, says same 6gbps?
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I like fart too.
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Any DVA model changes expected?
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I own a Synology and am looking for a 2nd NAS. Will not be looking at Synology for that. I am interested to see how UGreen progresses in its app development. Would be nice to have an update on their progress.
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Hmmm, just bought Ugreen with Intel u1235, thanks synology for reminding me, why i migrate from my 1522+… Like putting new carpets to the car… and call it refreshed new version ???? Ugreen allow me use any ram i want (not overpriced synology one), allow me to create volume on nvme, allow me install other os and the EXOS drives are a bit quiter in ugreen (guess that metal chassis with a bit of space on synology doesnt help reduce noise).
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I know what they’re gonna be. Overpriced, under powered, vendor locked junk.
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Honestly, if I need a new device, I’ll look elsewhere. Yes, I use it to back up laptops and as a media hub for photos and videos. Shame as I have Synology mesh as well, this will also go to a different supplier in due course
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Nothing compelling. Seems my RS1619sx+ remains a “current” model. Wish it had WORM/immutable shares, but as far as I know, it still dos not. If I had to buy a desktop NAS right now, it would probably be UGREEN. Their OS is still evolving. It’s not bad in its current form and I am free to put something else on the box.
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What a disappointment. I’ve been waiting for years to give Synology my money. But they just don’t want it. Time to move on…..
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Kind of hard to entertain an upgrade when I’m using a DS712+ still (and also a DS420+; both are NAS ONLY and running nothing else)
It’s clear that my upgrade path will be a (rubbishy in some ways) custom-built NAS out of some 2U case. Trick there is to be able to fit several 3.5″ mechanical hard drives, decent cooling for the mainboard, and upgradability to faster than 1Gbps on MY terms. Not everyone can afford optical or even a copper Nexus switch to get 10Gbps; yes I realize I’m an infra snob and “thing that works like Cisco” is what I expect in infra (10Gbps is still stubbornly expensive at scale, at least at home)
I miss ZFS and I want my next NAS solution to support it.
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Why not just fit 10Gb from the offset? Shouldn’t be an upgrade.
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Well, looks like my ds223 will be replaced with a unifi UNAS pro…
Synology really screwed the pooch here..
UNAS has a A57, 7 bays, and 10g for $499…
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1825+ with dual 2.5Gbe would be more than enough for most users, so it’ll be ultimately about the price – if it doesn’t go any higher than 1821+ then it may remain competitive on the market, but if it costs any penny more, then it’s not worth over older model at all
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DS425+ uses the same Intel Celeton J4125 as the DS423+ so don’t even bother looking for an upgrade.
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Went over to Unraid and built my own micro box with potentially 6 bays. Never going back to the many rip off manufacturers like Synology. I am gobsmacked at their attitude and almost zero technology advances
But love this channel and always come here to keep up dated
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Synology pace is glacial. It’s hard to tell the difference after five years. You almost have to wait 10 years for real progress.
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I have been happy during 12 years with my Synology 1511+ and switched recently to Qnap 855x. No brainer
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I am excited about these new releases. Maybe the 22, 23 and 24 units will come down in price and I can buy one of those! In the mean time, where do I look for used units to purchase cheap? Some of us are on tight budgets. Our CFO has an iron fist of NO when it comes to new technology purchases. (CFO=Wife).
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I’m still so happy with my fully loads DS3612xs and DS2413+ from back then. Looking at these new releases I’m not missing out ????????
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That´s a fight to Ugreen xD – not really :/
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Synology Hardware ????
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F Synology
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Glad I went with the T6-423 from Terramaster. Been pretty good for what I need it. HDHomeRun Docker and Plex, iTunes Library location.
I encode the videos for iTunes and then Plex Library picks up the folder contents.
So streaming iTunes videos to AppleTV Plex Client or AppleTV client from Apple.
As such the NAS not doing any transcoding.
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I currently own a Synology DiskStation918. Over the years, I’ve noticed that Synology has been gradually locking down their hardware, which has been a significant deterrent for me. I’ve been keeping an eye on the DXP4800+ since its release last year, but it has unfortunately been unavailable in the UK. I reached out to UGREEN regarding a potential UK release of the DXP4800+. Within 10 minutes, I received a confirmation that the product should be available in a few weeks, subject to any unforeseen delays.
Bye,bye Synology. I’ve moved on, unlike your hardware.
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Have they finally upgraded the USB ports to 3.2 GEN2 or are they still living in the dark ages?
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Looks like they’re not likely to be getting any money from me this cycle then.
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E-waste.. what a disappointment ????
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I’ve got into Synology in 2020 with a DS220+ for home use, plex and photo archiving. I won’t consider Synology for future upgrades and I’ll keep an eye on other OS and hardware. The N100 and N150 looks awesome at least for me and I’m looking forward to HexOS. Looks like this is the aim of Synology, getting rid of home users, literally anything alse around is more convenient
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Quite a serious case of meh.
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RIP Synology
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synology ds925+ release date ?
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Well time to leave the synology ecosystem ???? what a load of ????
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are any of these killer for plex 4k?
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Kind of disappointed in the proliferation of AMD across the entire Synology lineup. One with an N150, or N355 would be much more interesting to me.
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it’s unreal that they haven’t released anything with n100 or n95. I bet they still have a lot of old stock motherboards to get rid of.
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Moved to ASUSTOR LOCKSTER 4 GEN 2 as I feel synology hardware is lot more older than its compitetors. atleast lockster gen 2 came with N5105 processor which is an older ver but not as old as synologies.
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Fuck me, I just bought a ds723+
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no waay, the finally dropped the gigiabit
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13:39 That’s a gigabyte, not a gigabit.
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LOL, what a joke. This just confirms I will never buy Synology ever again. They are living under a rock.
No reflection on your great videos…thanks for taking the time to share all the helpful info.
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“I like art…” ????
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I’ll stick to my super old 1812+. Very few has changed in the meantime, they are still using outrageously outdated hardware, unbelievable.
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Well this confirms I won’t be touching Synology for the forseeable future.
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I feel stupid now having waited for the synology refresh… Going with Ugreen, Asustor or DIY now.
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Time to quit synology
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They really don’t give a sh¡t about the home/enthusiast/small business market do they? “Let’s make the very least, minimal changes, and up the year number to make it look like it’s a newer and better thing”. They’re like my ex-wife was, always late, always a disappointment, and always trying to tell me they’re better and more value than they really are, and they think I’m a sucker and I’m going to come back because they do that one thing very, very well! Seriously though, if the DS15 doesn’t support 10GbE and the only change on the DS18 is to 2x 2.5GbE, I reckon I’d probably be better off getting discounted 22+ and 21+ units. At least you were up before the seagulls though!
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New stickers on aging hardware… wate of time
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Something tells me that they have not upgraded Marvell RAID chip in DS625slim. I would not be surprised if 6 SATA lanes/disks were still connected to the CPU via just two PCIe 2.0 lanes effectively creating a bottleneck of 1000MB/s. Sadly no DS419slim upgrade on the horizon.
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Man, no 10gbe ? If this is correct this is ludacris ! File sizes and file amounts are only getting larger not smaller. What is synology thinking??
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J4125. Wow, just wow
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Another drip, drip, drip…. Higher prices for the negligible performance improvements. The NAS market all but stopped 5 years ago. Same memory, same CPUs, same slow NICs on the lower end…
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Still no N100-based 2-4-5-bay solutions for home market? Bonkers. I guess this settles it – will go for a selfbuilt. Only question is if I’ll use my (finally) retiring desktop system based on i7-4790 or I’ll pick up one of those fancy N100-based boards.
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Dedication Rob, unwavering. Thanks ????????
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Looks like my 718+ will be replaced with a DIY solution with Proxmox/TrueNas this time, Synology is just trolling its customers at this point.
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Glad I moved on from Synology garbage hardware. This just confirms how much they’ve decided to abandon the userbase.
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Seems like Synology got a good bulk discount to buy up all of AMD’s & Intel’s discontinued e-waste.
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New devices shipping in 2025 with an Intel J4125… a discontinued 2019 CPU… wow.
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oh well…. cant say im not suprised. i guess thats goodbye to synology and my DS1813+. I waited as long as I possibly could. Hello 45Drives HL8.
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Urgh, i just bought a 923+ a month ago because i was tired of waiting and thought they’d skip 2025 new models. I wish they would make a cheap 2.5Gbe upgrade card for the 923+.
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Thanks for the vid, Rob. Yet again, it seems as though Synology has not listened to it’s customer base. My first Synology was a DS211J and bought 2 more since then. Time to turn my back on them and go with something else to upgrade my Plex server.
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Churning out videos like fresh bread rolls. Well done m8 ????
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The DS923+ and DS1522+ have both gone up in price by 20-30% down under lately. For Synology to take away 10Gbe seems absolutely bonkers. For photography and even office work file server 10Gbe is essential. 2.5 Gbe doesn’t even facilitate the full read/write speeds of a 4 or 5 bay NAS with spinning rust. With 4 synology HAT3100’s my DS1522+ runs around 600 MB/s via 10Gbe without any NvMe cache. Why bottle neck these devices by giving no way to get data off at the bandwidth that a bunch of spinning rust can facilitate?
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Well done Synology you’ve finally done something stupid again, and more reasons to move away.
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same old $21 cpu. Next years NEW systems will have racing stripes
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Jeez its a bit disappointing. My old NAS is so overdue for a upgrade but these are not much of a step up in fact in some ways they are worse. My old 4 bay st least still had integrated graphics that works a charm on Plex but is really struggling with modern codecs like AVI.
Really wish someone will make a NAS using a modern chip that has all the latest codecs supported especially AV1 10bit encode and decode
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The recent moves in software, discontinuing Video Station, etc make me nervous getting a Synology. I’m more likely to buy a UGreen (when they finally get released in the UK) at this point.
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Sounds like Synology have just stopped trying in the home / SMB segment. I won’t be investing in a system using dated parts (but which I would want to run for many years into the future) and run by a company that doesn’t seem to care about what (it appears to me) a lot of customers want. Even taking into account software and price, I was already leaning towards QNAP or Asustor etc., and I would still pick their current gen hardware over the new Synology offerings in a heartbeat. Can’t wait to see what these other vendors offer later this year.
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Well this is incredibly disappointing.
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A very disappointing refresh while other brands have move forward considerably
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Bought a fresh 920+ last year. Sems like not much has changed in 5 years ????
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Fuck Shitology
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Thanks for the update!
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Phews in 423+
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I really appreciate your dedication and commitment ????
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been 7 months any updates?
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6 months later, no sign of the product.
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If Synology is going to hold onto a processor for a DECADE, they need to start off with processors that aren’t horrendously under-powered compared to competitors. They already removed a huge selling point for their NAS products by choosing a processor that can’t do hardware transcoding.
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No announcement yet. Nothing for ces.
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Heard the same story last year (2023)… Got a “temporary” NAS because I needed more space… I can likely get by for another year… but hearing the same story this year – in addition to petty HDD model warnings is making me heavily reconsider.
Perhaps my needs and Synologys’ direction are diverging.
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MORE SEAGULLS
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Looked at this unit a while back from my DS920+ but people said 2 users on PLEX and it will struggle due to the CPU doing all the work. But with the latest DSM update they are pushing the processing to the external devices does that mean the CPU will be under less load with PLEX? Most of the PLEX use is on the home network but my mum watches some of the video content remotely and often at the same time as we watch content.
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I’m in a similar position my DS1817+ died last November (I’m fairly certain it was a motherboard issue and that the HDs are okay) and I’ve been making do as I was certain that the DS1821+ would be replaced as soon as I bought one. Any news of the DS1825+ would be very helpful (let’s hope we don’t have to wait for a DS1826+!!!).
Newegg shows the 1821+ on sale tomorrow, not sure if same $850 price bhphoto did last year, so it is tempting. I keep holding off on upgrading my 1812+ because I keep waiting for a replacement.
I am in the market for an 8-bay nas since I am upgrading the hard disks on my ds1621xs+. I was going to get the ds1821+ until I saw this video. 4 months later and still no news from Synology. ????
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Synology will dump 4 years old technologies and release them with horrendous price like apple as it always do.
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1780B and a derated CPU. What do you think? Synology may just bulk order a single CPU going forward. Wishful thinking. Most likely AMD and Synology have a long term contracts.
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You won’t ‘bin it’ within 24 months. Unless it’s a TerraMaster which claimed to have a 10GB port, when in fact it seems to have been nothing more than a hole in the case labeled as if it were a port ( yes I tried their support, however that proved fruitless).That’s what happened to me, and yes I binned it. I now have an Asustor and couldn’t be happier. It’s 2.5gb port works as it should.
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I found even if you dont have fast internet over 1gig getting a router that supports 2.5gbe and getting as many devices on to that on a busy network can help reduce traffic on the local network, large families and small business can benefit from a cheap upgrade to 2.5gbe as most existing Ethernet installs can be upgraded pretty easy buy buying new hardware.
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Update the chassis
A different color at a bare minimum
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Yet another underspecced and underpowered Synology 8-bay positioned to try to get people to step up to their even more overpriced rackmount units for a reasonable hardware level.
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I sent an inquiry to them 3 weeks ago and they said no announcements.
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where muh RS1224+ at?! reeeeeeee
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Hello, loving the Hoodie! Where can I get them? Do you have a shop? I was not able to find one looking on your website. Please help. Thanks.
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I will not upgrade unless: Hardware transcoding, 2,5g NIC, no stupid alarms for not using Synology’s overpriced harddrives.
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Finally a better sound quality on your videos.
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If they come out with the same CPU with all the competition hitting the market I’ll be out for good.
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Try as hard as I like, I can’t saturate my 2.5 gig network. I also have a 5GB fiber connection and, well… even with torrents and usenet running on NVMEs on separate router connections I’ve managed 3GB. For about 30 seconds.
I’ve got a lot of Linux ISOs now, though.
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At long last . . . some good news from Synology
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In other words, not much of an upgrade at all, most likely.
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Consumer Synology is like Disney Star Wars – you expect them to sink low, but they subvert your expectations, and not in a good way
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Can we just all acknowledge the commitment and work goes onto these videos dont know of any other channel that covers a topic so well and completely unbiased, making my nas buying much easier credit where its due ????5️⃣⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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My DS1621xs+ is still running strong and is much better compared to the later NAS offerings by Synology that limits you of what HDD or RAM you can use that would trigger alerts. I also have no regrets getting both the DXP6800 & DXP8800 NAS’es by UGreen which have much better specs! I’ve been putting both on some serious loads… Just transferred over 10TB of data and still going in just 5 days. ???? Streaming my 4K media to my OLED tv via kodi is also smooth af~????
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As long as they do not screw the pooch and insist on Synology drives.
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I’ve got a video idea for you that I think would fit perfectly on NASCompares & probably help a ton of people out, though I recognize you dudes are probably up to your neck with projects and such. I know you have a more comprehensive look at the Ugreen NAS coming out soon (so this idea could possibly live on that playlist or whatever). I’m a total noob when it comes to this stuff, so please forgive my impending ignorance. Video idea:
I’m pretty suret the _download_ app on the Ugreen NAS has a feature that enables the user to monitor specific folders on the drive. A huge reason I purchased the Ugreen NAS is because it has an SD Card slot on it. To me, it makes sense that you should be able to plug in an SD card and have the NAS automatically transfer the media that’s on the card into a predetermined folder on the NAS. I don’t know if using the download app and setting up a watch-folder is the best way to approach this, though I know manya photographer that would freak tf out if all they had to do was plug in the card and the media automatically backed itself up onto the drive. Your channel has helped me tremendously and I’m always grateful for the efforts the two of you (and the community) have provided for us. Cheers dude.
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I have 1821+ – only reason to change for 1825+ would be procesor WITH hardware transcoding AND at least one 2,5gbit port. Otherwise there is no reason. And one more thing – all my 8x Seagate Ironwolf Pro must work without stupid flase alarms
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Good analysis, agree with your assumptions, only way the DS1825+ would get better spec than you speculate is if they replaced the xs+ model at the same time.
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Looks like the same CPUs without good graphics and codecs so useless for Plex
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We need a 6 core 64gb ram 4x 2.5gbe 8x enterprise drive NAS with transcoding support. It will sell like pancakes. Im fine with synology proprietary hard drives and ram and higher pricing overall. Just give me the unit I want.
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I think the 1823xs+ was the refresh but they mucked it up with that hard drive drama. I finally own three of the 1821+ and I can’t see any value in any future refresh unless the processor is vastly upgraded and 10gb ports coming standard and no hard drive compatibility dramas.
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if they made it with the epyc 4004 cpus with DDR5 + 2.5 GBe everyone will jump on it
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Interesting in comparison 1823xs vs 1825…
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The timeline here in the 18xx series really highlights how Synology have little appetite or interest to play in the consumer space anymore at the larger scale.
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Ah Northern Hemispherist” — “Autumn” here is March – May.
How about using months for a global audience (esp. for those poor uneducated folks who talk about “Fall”).
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I’m sticking with my DS1821+ (2 x 1Gb bonded to a 1Gb switch) until there is a major change to justify buying a new chassis (and purchasing a 48 port, 10Gb switch).
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at 4:13 Love those “Copper Netowrk Ports”
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Let me guess – 1GbE?
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Do you think they will need to have a better CPU to compete with new products like the ugreen lineup?
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If your right ….. and Synology have not figured out it;s their model line itself which is the issue with all the new competition on the market this is going to be too little too late …. all arrogant tech companies eventually get their just rewards and SYnology are no different …. No new Cpu, No 10Gbe etc etc …. Synology are going to bring too little too late to the party with New Asustor/Ugreen offerings really killing them on hardware and lets face it if you want NAS not a bloody virtual machine host or a camera recorder or some other such nonsense already Synology is not showing much benefit with it’s only ace in the hole which is DSM …. I have a 1821+ ….It works fine as a storage device attached to my Network and that’s what I want it for. I have run out of space so I need another device and at this stage it’s going to be Asustor because I don’t want to be dictated too what Hard drives I use and I don’t want to pay for 10Gbe. Synology have lost me …
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I had just given up waiting for this and got a super micro with truenas going. I’m glad I did but if this thing comes out with a nice processor with gfx and 2x10gbe built in, I’ll be pretty smitten.
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If this thing is still coming with 1GB ports its as dead as fried chicken IMO.
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F synology.
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If there’s no new CPU, I won’t be upgrading. To be fair, if they don’t put a GPU in it, I probably won’t be upgrading anyway.
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Whatever “Ryzon” is, one thing is for sure: They will leave no stone unturned and comb the plant from the Mariana Trench to Mount Everest to make absolutely 101% sure they end up with the oldest, least efficient CPU without any gfx unit whatsoever that a vendor will offer them so they don’t have to rob museums at night. If there were enough Enigmas to go around from WWII, you can bet the farm they’d slap its mechanics in there. Heck, if they could get away with it, they’d just toss a teaspoon full of sand in there and call it a day. Enough silicon if you ask Synology.
Man, I really used to love their stuff, but their hardware choices went from borderline / questionable to full-on ridiculous. At this point, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Robbie, I don’t think anyone else could make such a nerdy video so entertaining. Yes there are probably not a lot of us that will be genuinely interested in this video but I really enjoyed it. I think you could be right about the two 2.5 Gb ports.
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I was hoping for them to switch to the intel N-* series of chips. I have a N-100 micro machine & its a beast at transcoding plex. I have the 1821+ & have already upgraded my to dual SPF+ 10GB. I don’t see much in this refresh unless thanks change.
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I just want a low power cpu that doesn’t use so much power and 2.5 GBe as well as an add in card for sfp+ for fiber or RJ45 for 10 GBe or maybe faster.
Guess that for just a file server, the 1500 is enough even for 25 GBe. But please just let us use any WD, Seagate or Toshiba drives ????
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Proprietary drives again?
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Thanks for sharing – I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my DS1019+ (deducted PLEX server) and have been looking for a replacement. Something highly expandable and has the same powerful processing with hardware transcoding.
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I hope Synology can add switch authentication, which is safer. It would be perfect if the switch other than Synology’s pop-up warning
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The 1825+ will likely require you to use Synology drives ONLY and not allow you use 3rd party, or it will but just show the silly error that the drive is not supported. Having a mult-LAN port on the back up to 10GbE would be nice but that would only drive the price up more for the unit.
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We need an Intel CPU with Quick Sync for hardware transcoding of 1080p and 4K content on Plex, etc.
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If it has new 4 cores, HW transcoding, 2.5Gbe+.. I’m in if they don’t fuck up NVMe storage and HDD limitations. But realistically the CPU will just be outdated without transcoding/gpu.
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Don’t break my heart like that, Robbie!! I hope it has a better CPU!
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We can all have a good laugh when it turns up with gigabit Ethernet, eSATA, and 4GB of RAM. Synology doesn’t care what its customers want, at all.
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Why upgrade to 2.5? The can F their customers at least a couple of years more
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I’d be happy with even 1x 2.5GbE port to at least get me going, Then later on I can buy the 10GbE add in card.
CPU with transcoding capability would be good, But that’s just a bonus, I usually run everything on local network and play media through a NUC under tv.
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Any corroboration that this was on the site for real and it’s not photoshopped? Seems to me there is no space yet to renew it without either rebadging or clashing with xs
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Synology is gonna be Synology, I’d say 4* 1GbE ports with 1 proprietary 10GbE upgrade.
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I can see you’ve already made space for it given the background
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I really don’t understand Synology in the home any longer. They’ve raised their prices so significantlyit makes no sense. For the price of the enclosure, you can build your own, including drives. Their prices are just ridiculous now, especially considering they want you to buy Synology drives and they don’t stand behind their hardware even when all the components are Synology officially supported components. Such a rip off.
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Good News Synology fan!!! Syngology is no longer using 12yr old CPUs, they are modernising….
….with 10yr old CPUs
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If this doesn’t come with a 10gb interface built-in, it’s just not that appealing to me. I’m not too fussed whether that be 10GbE or SFP+, but please don’t make me get a proprietary expansion card to make it happen.
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Syno User from Day One – this brand only stands out from Software side. The Hardware is soo boring. I wish they had the Hardware Mindset of QNAP.
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From what I’ve understood so far, you’re most probably not that far off on your predictions.
Love to see a follow-up when things are more revealed.
I do have to say, sorry for that, it is quite comical to see all the excitement about a, my words, relatively low upgrade of specs.
I guess no revolutions but rather an evolution. Or “refresh” using Synology’s terms, I guess.
Hope I’m wrong in that arena, but than enough breadcrumbs do make a loaf too…
I’m asked to have look into the aforementioned 1823XS+, I guess I should not hold in that arena, awaiting DS1825+’s arrival.
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Maybe the DS1821+ will final drop below its $1,000 USD disk less price tag. Have been watching them for over a year. Was hoping next week’s Amazon Prime days had a discount on them.
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My 1817 has 2x10GBit/s.
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If i cant put whatever harddrive i want in it without issues, synology will need to reconsider themselves in the consumer market.
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Don’t mean to change the subject. Why in the US have all the Synology cameras been out of stock for months? No one is talking about this issue.
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9:02 so they’ll stick Ryzen 1600 like on 923+/1522+ and proprietary 10Gbe mini slot like on 923+/1522+, simple as that 😀
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Thks,
Synology old/slow but reliable hardware is slowly losing-out on the low-end market to newer up to date hardware (ex: UGreen, etc).
Request Synology at-least compete on low-end hardware with the rest of the NAS industry.
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I grew up on military bases, so grew up moving constantly. Anytime we lived anywhere near the sea, there were seagulls.
If you live near a big city that is not near the sea, let me explain: seagulls are basically larger, louder, more obnoxious pigeons. Whatever you’re imagining, it’s worse.
What blows my mind is that we get seagulls in Chicago. I live in a suburb that is a good 40 minute drive from lake Michigan, and we have them around here.
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I thought the DS1823xs+ was weak with the throttling NVMe. I was hoping the DS1825+ would be better. What a potential letdown.
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this sounds terrible, UGREEN is gonna wipe the floor with them if they get their software right, hardware wise theyre the better option
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If you don’t disrupt your market yourself someone else will disrupt your market for you ????
I think that they should go for V3000 series which has dual 10Gb MACs ???? but who am I kidding? ????
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Does it support SHR?
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i gave up on synology a long time ago and switched over to Qnap. Qnap just lacks a little behind the OS but has way better hardware. if synology doesnt come out with a better hardware platform than qnap did 5years ago then they should just give up now.
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Can’t wait for an over priced under powered NAS that forces me to buy their irrelevant over priced hardware that runs an iteratively better what, v1600 AMD CPU that can’t even transcode?
NO THANKS! Goodbye synology
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Who else here is waiting for a DS925+ or DS425+, with a decent current CPU, a GPU and a >=32GB memory limit?
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At last, I will be able to replace my trusted 1812+. Hope Shr will be present.
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This video cam out JUST in time.
So I am in the process of purchasing the 1821+, populating it with…
5 × 18 tb ironwolf HHD
2 × 1 tb M.2 ssd for caching
2 × 32 gb Memory, (64 gb of Ram)
1 × 10 gb port
Or should I just wait for this 2025 release, this is a lot of money I’ll be sinking in all at once, so please I am extremely curious to what would be the best idea in your opinion.
Primary focus on the Nas, will be for media consumption (mp3 music, mp4 videos, all sorts various camera / phone pix).
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ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for what’s essentially some plastic, an embedded ryzen from 6 years ago and a couple gigs of ECC sodimms feels like *such* a ripoff.
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I just came for the Seagulls… By the way thank you – Still looking to upgrade my DS918+.
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In principle the Plus series and higher should probably come with 2.5GbE. However, I sort of wonder if in practice it’ll change much. The reason is that if throughput were important, we are talking about an 8-bay, and link aggregation (either way you do it) won’t increase throughput to a single device the switch to 2.5GbE doesn’t change a lot for that buyer as they’d go 10GbE instead. For instance, my RS1221+ has 2 x 10GbE (link aggregated) in it because I want to maximise the value of my 8 x 4TB SSDs. I’m also implemented on UniFi and to get 2.5GbE I would need to go with either Enterprise or Pro Max switches. Its simpler and cheaper to dish out for a Aggregation switch and a card for the NAS, which is what I’ve done, that go top end on the switch.
Generally speaking I feel 2.5GbE is much more meaningful to a different type/level of buyer. Idk, maybe I’m looking at it wrong.
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If they want a real winner 1 10Gbe, 1 2.5Gbe and 1-2 1 Gbe ports.
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Can we take a moment to say how good looking your background is?
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If they do not increase specs, then you may as well buy the UGreen DXP8800 Plus once UGreen actually get it listed on Amazon (was promised in June).
Can always run TrueNAS or even Xpenology on it.
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Would it be possible to stick 4 NVMe bays on the bottom of the 1625+/1825+?
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Btw, I absolutely agree with your informed guess of the CPU being the same. It just makes sense for them. It’d be hip and cool if they did change it ???? See what I did there? ???? Imagine 1GBe in 2024 when consumer MoBo’s offer dual 10GBe on stock.
P.S. Love your release times, as I’m always on my way to work and can fully engage in your videos here in California.
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new background for you?? its way better than clutter.
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8:14 and I’m driving in my car. Thought a cop was behind me, pulling me over. ???? Anyone else do a double take in their rear view mirror to what sounds like a faint siren? ???? ???? ????
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Ive got a 5 bay all populated with ext4, been waiting to get a bigger nas and new drives to move over to btrfs! Also next time going to keep all volumes under 20TB so they could all potentially backup to a single archive drive.
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New look ????
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Damn it, my DS1821+ just arrived!
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I am here for the seagulls
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Love the new studio look! Thank God Synology – about time the 1821 got a refresh.
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Wonderfull, thanks a lot man !!
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When I bought a laptop a few years ago, I saw that WiFi 6e was available. I bought a 6e Intel card, only to learn that my HP laptop BIOS only whitelisted certain cards.
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With 2.5Gbit clients on LAN, 10 Gbit to the NAS probably makes sense because of shared band with….
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when he called a ROUTER a rooter I spit out my drink. LMAO.
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Is there a nas motherboard with 3 or 4x 10GbE and 6 sata ports?
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1GbE will eventually go the way as single core processors. I have 10GbE in my NAS servers with 16TB of NVMe and I still can’t saturate what a 2.5GbE connection would give me.
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Is it worth buying DS1821+ in 2024?
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I am going for RJ45 10G straight.
Where are the 2,5gb models from synology??? People got to help themselfs with RJ45 to USB dongle workarounds…
Come on Synology….
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Honestly, if you have a NAS and are using it in any serious way, 2.5Gb should be a minimum at this point. In fact, I’ve found some reasonably priced gear that’s mostly 2.5GbE, with some 10Gb SFP+ ports as well, and will probably run fibre for 10Gb connections to major switches in my house, then the 2.5Gb connections to each individual device. Is fibre overkill? YES, but I WANTED Cat6A years ago and was told “Cat5 is plenty” only to now be unable to do 10Gb. So for that magical future proofing, fibre is going in, and that should basically do the job forever, since the fibre itself can do 400Gb+ it’s just the hardware at each end that would need upgrading. Do I think I’ll ever use 400Gb… no, but 40Gb would be nice, and maybe one day I might want 100Gb, this way we never have to re-run the cables (yes conduit is amazing, and even MORE future proof than fibre, but it’s not viable in an old, existing house like ours without basically moving out for a month).
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been eyeing a 300 dollar Atom device with everything on it which is nice but people hate Atom so am like ok lol
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Amother chap’s youtube NAS channel says that besides upgrading devices, for 10 gbe you’ll need to upgrade to CAT6 cabling as well – and THAT is a BIG consideration, unless it’s original construction!
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Interesting how much difference a year makes. I just looked on Amazon and you can get four 2.5G ports plus two SFP+ ports for US$55…
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I purchasted the Nimbuster NAS from you in 2020 to set up my home network and it’s super slow when connected to a Netgear gigabit switch and trying to save and get files from my Mac or PC. I’ve tried to aggregate the connection from the NAS to the switch but it’s still super slow. I guess the bottleneck is in the gigabit Netgear switch. Would I have to buy a 2-5gbe switch? If so how should it be connected and set up? Many thanks for any advice .
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My question is 2.5GB enough for a single editor an a NAS?
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Great reviews, keep our up. Just ordered a 1821+, knowing that the replacement model is coming soon, but got a good deal. Integration graphics was to of my list for a plex server, but will just run a separate plex server for the 4k files transcoding which ill only use remote viewing infrequently. Home direct play will be 99% need.. i nearly went for a home plex server nas build, but didn’t want the headache of it all..
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o/ from the US. I recently purchased a ASUS GT-11000 pro (on sale) which has 1 x 10g and 1×2.5g ports. My WAN port on my modem is a 2.5g. I connected my 10g port to my Dlink DMS-106xt. I have my dlink connected to a simple unmanaged cisco switch in my living room that connects to my xbox, ps5, TV, and apple TV, none of which support 2.5gb only 1gb. Then I have my dlink connected to a asus GT6 that supports a 2.5g port and 3x 1gb ports. I learned that I should have bought the Zen wifi pro since it supports two 2.5gb ports. Why this matters to me? My pc supports 2.5gb and 1gb on the mobo. Now I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but since I am designing a network that suits my needs I didn’t account for that error in my budget. After buying all these things I didn’t fully think my network setup thoroughly because now I have to buy another multigig 10G port switch that likely cost 300$ USD to fix my error. I just dont have enough 10g ports now. Problems for future me.
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I think 2.5GBE is underrated. Getting over 280Ms for file transfer speeds. Its pretty fast for what I do with editing videos
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Thank you for this video, when I renovated my place with Cat 6A cables I moved to a2 gigabit internet connection just this year, however only recently I have purchased USB 2.5 gb singles to upgrade my connections and it has been amazing, thank you for your video it was informative and helped me make the right decision to wait for a year and then move up
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10Gb is good for the network backbone, like the unifi aggregation switch is a no brainer
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We don’t need discuss 2.5 GbE, 1 GbE has effectively been the standard for LANs at the edge for over a decade. Thanks to Moore’s Law, computer power doubles, every 18 months (or less), so very quickly LAN speeds need to improve by an order of magnitude (x 10) to be significant.
What few (none?) of the network companies have realised is that computers now come equipped with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 ports and Thunderbolt Hubs. Over our PANs we are already doing 40 GbE. We need switches with TB4 ports, Fairly predictably, network equipment brands have fallen into the trap of treating 2.5 GbE as the new normal.
The new normal is 40 GbE.
We can do 7+ Gb over 5G mobile networks.
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2.5g isn’t futureproofing. 10g has been around for much longer than 2.5g or 5g… if you’re going to use cat5/6 cables, just go to 10g. the only reason I can think of that companies are feeding us 2.5 and 5g right now is in attempt to segregate a market that started and should be homogeneous. 10g is the way of things right now, today. but even that’s not futureproofing. if you want to futureproof, you should get 10g sfp+ switches and nics and use om3 fiber and/or dac cables to make your connections. the reason for this is that sfp+ is 10g, uses less power, and if you use fiber connections, that fiber will later be able to run 25g, 50g, and 100g (and probably more later on) via bonding multiple frequencies of laser communications together in a single strand of fiber. if you’re building a house today, put om3 in the walls and be happy. worst case scenario, you want to use one or more rj45 based network devices and you buy a 3-5 port sfp+ switch and use sfp+ to 10g ethernet modules for the devices you want to use. the biggest reasons to go with 10g: copying large files (such as videos you’ve got today with your nice video camera), photos from a dslr camera, high resolution audio recordings, backups to and from your NAS. virtual machine migrations for high availability or automatic resource re balancing for homelabbing and/or hosting of services from your home such as nextcloud, video game servers, plex server so you can store your dvd and blu-ray collection on your NAS and distribute that content to every computer, tv, phone, and tablet in your home and outside of your home when you travel, etc. and now that residential fiber is FINALLY gaining traction (I live in rural ct (I can literally walk to cows) and was just offered symmetrical 5 gigabit fiber (I took them up on the symmetrical 2g fiber because it was the same $110 I was spending on 600/25 from charter spectrum cable)), and in some other places, you can get up to symmetrical 10g now.
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Just bought one, sad that price didnt drop further, forced to switch from netgear readynas which has been dying the last 20yrs. Not too impressed yet with synology hardware or the silly windows type UI and vocabulary for enterprise storage…but reliability, low cost, docker + one drive support and 8 bay + ssd cache was requirements. Almost got the newest unit which is 6 core but i dont need 10gige, just 2.5/5 multigig plus btrfs and long term support. Not sure i would be happy going with 100% vendor drives long term. Hoping this unit will last 5-8yrs. Im maxing it with pcie card, 32gb ram, 8x 10tb 7200rpm drives, and 2x 800gb m2 ssd. Hopefully, the deduplication actually works..
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My ISP model is 2.5GbE, most recent motherboards are 2.5GbE, NAS more often come with the red 2.5GbE socket now. It’s a no-brainer to just get a 2.5g switch and be done with it. gigabit network is basically slowly dissapearing with the current hardware being sold.
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The 5gb adapter for qnap makes sense when all the clients for 2.5gb
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will you notice or need 2.5 times better throughput for local file transfers vs 1gig? if you don’t do much transfers, and you are not running a time critical business(or personal req) that requires it, then probably not.
but where it may matter is for the upcoming wifi 7 stuff will will benefit from multigig (without it, you will simply be bottlenecked. if you are going to get wifi7, get multi gig networking gear to go with it, e.g. switches, nics etc)
homelab networking enthusiasts may also appreciate more than the standard 1gig.
Also in 2023, a lot of motherboards nowadays have 2.5gbe. You would have to go out of your way to go for the cheapest possible motherboard to get a 1gbe port.
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That thumbnail haha. You’re a funny person.
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The issue with 2.5G is the switches… If you poke around, you can get 10GbE for the same or less than 2.5G, especially if you like old Enterprise gear as I do. I can set up 10gig for way less than I can for 2.5gig, as Enterprise skipped 2.5Gig thus it’s not around in the used market. If you need managed switches, like I do, then 2.5G actually costs more than 10gig. Since regular cat6 cables can handle 10gig speeds over shorter cable lengths, it’s less of an issue than you make it out to be.
2.5G may be on a lot of new devices, but if the supporting hardware is more expensive than 10gig, it’s pointless.
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Your talk about futureproofing really hit me. Its one of the reasons (having GbE FTTP WAN/Internet already) I was determined that when I finally paid a decent chunk for a new router, it MUST have at least 2.5GbE WAN and LAN, rather than the 2.5Gbe WAN OR LAN which seems common, and rather defeats the point IMO, as you’ve got an instant bottleneck.
I am looking to upgrade the backhaul around my house fairly soon, as it will mean even if my NAS is still only running 1GBps, I will have full capability to max out the internet AND NAS at the same time across the network, or. if its via a machine with 2.5GbE, maximise the internet AND NAS usage at the same time, all the whilst having overhead so other devices on the network can still communicate with each other. Also means I will not be instantly having to run to upgrade equipment if I 1.8/2/2.5Gb FTTP becomes available.
Im not expecting all of this to happen now. But it may well in the next few years, and will also give additional overhead room for shared bandwidth on the network if multiple machines are heavily active at a given time. Again, not designing around whats capable now,. but what may happen in the next few years.
The only thing delaying the upgrade is the cost of 2,5GbE switches at the moment, multiple machines around my house already have 2.5GbE NICs, but whereas I can get GbE NICs for pennies, a 2.5GbE Switch is still over £100.
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.900 Gigabit/s= 112.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust slow sata hard drive speed
1.1 Gigabit/s= 137.5 MegaBytes/s = a single spinning rust fast sata hard drive speed
2.3 Gigabit/s= 287.5 MegaBytes/s = generic 2.5Gbit/s Linux data rate
4.4 Gigabit/s= 550 MegaBytes/s = a good sata ssd
60 Gigabit/s= 7500 MegaBytes/s = some Gen 4 NVMe PCIe SSDs capable of 7500 MB/s
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10 GB network is expensive and only makes sense with fiber optic cable. 2.5GB Ethernet can use old CAT5e, CAT6 cables. It also uses less power than 10GB copper Ethernet. Unfortunately, 10GB SFP can not switch to 2.5 GB but then fall back to 1GB.
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iam on my way to buy the 1821+ but i dont like that this nas doesnt support any 3rd party nvmes? does anyone have 980pros or sn770 for caching in this nas? idlike read and write cache with dual 2tb sn770. idlike download from external ssd 400-500 gb every suturday-sunday night after weddings, so i dlike this to be as fast as possible, cause we need to go sleep too. in case of a failure does this affect warranty? the cache ssds will be on raid 1 and the 6hdds will be raid 6. i dont even think of loosing any data.
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I work in business and small datacenter networking, and anything between 1 and 10 Gbps does not exist. SFP, sure, they’re 1, 10, 25, 40, 100 Gbps.
Even in my home use, I’d rather get everything on 10 Gbps than pay the barely supported premium for 2.5 or 5 Gbps, especially on managed devices.
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its complete overkill. more people than not dont yet have access to fttp in the UK for even 1gb and thats going to take a good 5 years at least.
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Power consumption is massively missing from these reviews. Anything you are going to have running 27/7, energy usage is such a big thing.
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I think 1Gb/s will be sufficient for most house/small business users (except NAS storage, iSCSI) for next 5 or more years.
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Moved entire network to 2.5gbe. Pickup up a 453E and a bunch of 2.5 to USB3 and some new switches. Real nice speed boost! No fans, so it is quiet.
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When will this 8 bay get a refresh? Im about to buy one, but I feel like this could be refreshed end of 2022? Is that the general product timing? (2 years)
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That was extremely informative, thank you
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I think at this point it’s pretty safe to say that for most non enterprise applications 2.5Gbe is the horse that is firmly in the lead over 5 and 10
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I took your advice and went 2.5gbe and also bought a Asustor AS6702T Nas with NVME storage, I am having the easiest of times setting up the Nas it is so simple. Watching Blu-ray files from the Nas is super fast. Thanks for all your help. Looks like I’m planning for 10gbe in the near future.
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I only have 1Gbe router. If I buy a 2.5Gbe USB C Ethernet adapter, would the speed increase compared to a 1Gbe connection?
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Workstations have 10gbit on almost every port now USB etc. Except for the one you use the most, your network interface port. It is not overkill, it’s falling behind in my opinion. A lot of people rather have wifi for network connections nowadays cause it is surpassing their cabled network speeds and it is more convenient. If you still care to put a cable through the ceiling you better have something that makes it worth it! Large capacity NAS at the read and write speed of local SSDs.
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I have 2.5GBe right now. no switch either. just added an extra 2.5g nic in my server and desktop, and have them as an additional direct NIC. updated hosts file on my server and voila, my server can be accessed at 2.5g for $50.
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Hi m8, watched a good few videos regarding NAS, are you interested in a video tutorial setting up a semi cheap NAS setup with semi total noob build. I Have the parts etc, but cache disk, OS and RAID setup are still total nightmares for someone like myself still surfing channels to find a definitive answer to my questions?
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I belive wifi ratings include the overhead and payload of packets, where ethernet speeds are just the payload, something to keep in mind
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I have 2.5G fiber (upgraded from 1G a couple months ago) in my house. I’m still waiting for a router with multiple 2.5G ports. Most only have it on the WAN or the LAN, but not both. Really frustrating. Hopefully that changes with the upcoming Wifi 7 routers.
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Only the newest 10GbE equipment will negotiate down to 2.5 or 5 gigabit. Those speeds were not available until 2016, when 10 GbE had already been around for a decade.
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I picked up a QNAP TS453D not long back to replace an older Qnap with the dreaded bad firmware update. It’s got twin 2.5Gbe ports on it but the trouble I’ve found is there’s limited routers and network switches currently available to actually utilise this feature. I even decided to update to a wifi 6 router (as I’ve got a wifi 6 laptop). While the routers got link aggregation, they’re still only 1Gbe ports. The only router that did have 2.5Gbe (ASUS) was considerably more pricey and didn’t have link aggregation either – so barely worse off having twin 1Gbe ports.
Besides, the features only useful IF the laptop had 2.5Gbe capability too. But still OK if you’re running a few devices concurrently sending data (at least the transfer speeds aren’t bottle necked).
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Wish 2.5GbE would become standard, 1GbE is way to slow these days.
My pc has 2.5GbE, My Router has 2.5GbE, My Synology 5 bay NAS has 1GbE 🙁
Network is only as good as the weakest link.
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You touched on it, but to expand:
You are only going to get a maximum speed equal to the weakest link in the chain.
If your Internet and router is 2.5gbps, but your switch is 1gbps and your old laptop’s network card is 100mbps, then you will never get performance from that laptop faster than 100mbps.
I have 300mbps ethernet and 1 PC with 1gbps LAN, and 2 PC sticks with 100mbps LAN.
The PC sticks will only ever send/receive at a max of 100mbps to either the internet, the other PC stick, or the PC.
The PC will only get internet of 300mbps and the communication between the PC and the sticks will be 100mbps max.
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My APs have 2.5Gbe ports. I am researching POE switches with 2.5Gbe ports.
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I don’t really need 2.5g everywhere , but I would like it on my core connections. sadly I cannot find a cheap 4 or 8 port switch (unmanaged) with a 2.5g uplink port and the rest as 1GB ports . If anyone knows of one , comment below.
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Fun future-proofing story – built my house over 20 years ago. The town had no cable internet yet, but I still had every phone plate box run with 2 Cat 5 cables. First, wired for multiple phone lines, then DSL came. When real ISP came, 4 wires got me 100Mb speed. As we didn’t need the phone lines for dial up, over time I rewired each port to have full 8 wire 1Gb connectivity.
At 2.5Gb, it’s only one room that needs this. My home office with multiple computers and NAS. Exactly right that 2.5 is pretty cheap to add, and my spinning drives aren’t saturating that. Unless I change to a RAID configuration on the desktop, this setup will work for quite a while.
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95% of homes have cat5e, so there’s no question of 10GbE without ripping the walls, which isn’t a problem at 2.5GbE. 95% of WiFi6 APs have 1 GbE LAN, so how do you want to use the full WiFi6 bandwidth, between laptop and NAS, laptop and internet etc. If you want to take full advantage of WIFi 6, you have to buy the most expensive AP which has, guess what… 2.5GbE LAN.
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Yes but only if you buy basic nas’s, 10gbe is better , you can buy 10gbe 2nd hand switches and nics so cheaply now and often only need a switch with 2 x10 for your main pc and nas.
1100mps is what your nas can do in a raid or with m.2 on 10gbe.
280mps is good for budget nas’s where you have max 2 drives mech models or cheap Sata SSD’s its good to see entry level at 2.5gbe
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Synology Buys holding off for 2.5Gbe
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Intel Nuc low End I3 have 2.5Gbe now
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Synology is sadly missing the Boat. I have 1 2.5 Gb Network on almost all the workstations Server, 2.5GBe I will have Fiber connect soon. Qnap and many other have Nas have 2.5Gbe , I have talked to Synology Tech Support no word on any 2.5GBe sadly Nas box after 2.5GB Fiber, will be the slowest device in the Network , Does anyone have and info on 2.5GBe from Synology
Qnap has had it for years
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Nice! Would like to see a 2.5gb video showing a setup. Maybe with connectivty to NAS devices that don’t have a 2.5gb adapter (usb or card added) and a more modern one. What Cables do i need? Virutalization station concerns? Port binding? that sort of thing.
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Don’t forget to check your specs. Many early 10Gbe chipsets don’t support 2.5Gbe and 5Gbe. Buying cheaper switches may leave you stuck at 1Gbps if they don’t support the middle speeds.
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I went with 2.5Gbe on my 4 bay NAS. It’s an older Asustor unit. Several computers need to access it at the same time. My Plex Server saves all DVR files there and my Transcoding setup transfers files off and back on. It really helped with congestion when streaming from Plex. I’d go up to 10Gbe with my next NAS.
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I really love your videos! You explain things in such clarity just one thing, why are they so long?
I noticed that in one of your videos you repeated the same thing 4 times (different examples) before getting to the heart of the issue.
Can you please try to make your videos shorter?
Thanks!
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Want full 2.5/10Gb speed? Full DATA PATH upgrade is always required 🙂
2.5Gb should be an entry data speed standard. 1Gb is to just slow for current performance of internal devices. Also 2.5Gb might be last standard that can be thermally manageable in laptops or SFF/Thin clients. 5 and 10 are just too hot. Also 5 and 10Gb are fast but use of external USB/Thunderbolt devices is not what you would call stable…
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can i use a usb to 2.5gbe on my synology NAS
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2.5GbE is too slow, I recommend 10GbE ????
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Thank you for putting this out, practical thinking is hard to do when speed is the topic. Time to stay grounded and avoiding distractions is the way for me. Lol. Cheers.
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Ese atuendo me vuelve loco fukada-jpp.monster loco contigo y tienes ese cuerpo curvilíneo, hiciste un buen trabajo modelándolo también. También me gusta el último atuendo. Me encantac cómo los cinturones de liga se.
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I’m just starting to move everything to 2.5gb with my truenas running a 10gb. But I’m also seeing better performance from my 1gb devices.
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I’m running 10 Gb/s at home so the answer to this debate is kind of obvious to me.
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Firstly, I am impressed by your ability to count by 2.5. I have a new PC arriving today that has 2.5GbE built in. Luckily, it also has 10GbE built in. (It’s a Core i9 Intel NUC 12 Extreme.) I’ve been 10GbE in my home lab for nearly a decade, starting with a Netgear switch, progressing to as used Arista Networks switch and finally installing a Ubiquiti aggregation switch a few months ago. The Ubiquiti switch has four 25GbE ports as well, so I’ve gone an upgraded my two Dell PowerEdge servers to 25GbE with Mellanox fibre cards. I’ve upgraded my two big Synology NASes as well. The Synologys support the Mellanox cards out of the box. I consider the 2.5GbE standard a “feature” aimed at consumers to get them to buy hardware (again). 10GbE is and has been an enterprise solution for a very long time now. It’s too bad vendors have been so slow to get on the 10GbE bandwagon. A 10GbE NIC or switch shouldn’t have to cost more than a 1GbE or 2.5GbE NIC or switch.
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For a home/SOHO network, being able to transfer files at around 280MB/s is a big upgrade from just 105MB/s. That reason alone is enough to use 2.5GbE.
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Any plans to test if it allows better access or throughput to a nas when compared to using gigabit on the same device?
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2.5Gb is 10 years too late.. huge bottleneck with modern drives.
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for me convient. faster than 1 GB, cheap, works fine and none of my Hardware is bottlenecking it. Did i think about 10gig…yes, but this would have caused such an upgrade cascade….
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Hi… if this device does not have embedded graphics and the 1621 doesn’t have it either, which device is the best for me to get for video editing as well as using it as a Plex server? I want to EDIT 4K video, and also have PLEX playback 1080 and 4K video as well. Is an embedded GPU necessary? What’s the alternative?
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1GbE should not exist on 5 bay and over, They should keep that for under 5 bay NAS devices and everything over 5 bays gets at least 2.5GbE
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Thank you! Very informative video. I always watch your video’s before I purchase a NAS.
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Good overview. Personally, I would have put the metal chassis as a reason to buy
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