Synology PLUS NAS Hard Drives – The HAT3300 Series
For those who have been following the world of network Attached Storage (NAS) and more precisely, the developments of Synology, it might not come as a huge surprise that the brand is now in the process of rolling out a new series of HAT3300 Hard Drives for 2023. Now, you might well be thinking “hold on, they have had their own range of HDDs for a few years now!” and that is correct. However, the existing HAT5300 and HAT5310 series of drives are very much targeted at Pro and Enterprise users (5yr warranty, 5400rpm, 550TB workload, etc) and Synology users who were looking to keep things ‘single ecosystem’ in their more modest scale systems (e.g DS920+, DS1522+, etc) were not won over by these bigger, noisier and more expensive drives in their systems. Therefore, it was somewhat inevitable that the brand would eventually get around to launching a more home/SMB-friendly range Of storage media that is better suited to smaller NAS systems of around 5-8 Bays at most. Enter the Synology HAT3300 Plus hard drive series, eventually rolling out in 4 (possibly a 5th in 16TB) different capacities and built on Seagate Ironwolf HDDs (whereas the Synology HAT5300 and HAT5310s are built on Toshiba Enterprise MG drives). Given Synology already has their other HDDs in the market, 2 types of SSD media, numerous types of memory media, upgrade cards, routers and even their own Surveillance IP cameras now – this really is one of the final steps for them to complete their own 1-brand hardware ecosystem of networking equipment (though, when will they EVER release a switch… come on… the SG1000 was a prototype!). So, let’s discuss the new Synology HAT3300 range, the hardware specs, how it compares with the existing HAT5300 series and ultimately whether they deserve your data?
Hardware Specifications of the Synology HAT3300 PLUS Hard Drive Range
As mentioned, the Synology HAT3300 Plus HDDs are built on Seagate Ironwolf drives. This does mean that they will likely mirror a number of the hardware specifications of that popular range, but with some additional Synology firmware improvements (such as the ability to update firmware from within Synology DSM and the storage Manager). Synology has supported compatibility of the Seagate Ironwolf HDD series for many, many years (though there has been a few bumps in the road in 2021/2022 when Synology rolled out their HAT5300 series and compatibility on some of their systems featured some rather unpopular omissions!) so the HAT3300 drives being Synology adapted/badged Seagates makes sense. Plus the Seagate Ironwolf Health Management tool has featured in the DSM storage manager for a number of years. Early information indicates that the Synology HAT3300 will arrive in 4TB, 6TB, 8TB and 12TB capacities, which are pretty much the ‘go to’ capacities for most users in 2023. Here is how the specifications for each drive break down:
Spec | 12TB | 8TB | 6TB | 4TB |
Model ID | HAT3300-12T | HAT3300-8T | HAT3300-6T | HAT3300-4T |
Bay Support | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay |
Recording | CMR | CMR | CMR | CMR |
Drive Seal | Helium | Air | Air | Air |
Workload | 180TB | 180TB | 180TB | 180TB |
Spin Speed | 7200RPM | 5400RPM | 5400RPM | 5900RPM |
Cache | 256MB | 256MB | 256MB | 64MB |
Load Cycles | 600K | 600K | 600K | 600K |
MTBF | 1M Hours | 1M Hours | 1M Hours | 1M Hours |
Warranty | 3yrs* | 3yrs* | 3yrs* | 3yrs* |
*TBC – Will know more when they are launched officially
Why would you use Synology HAT3300 Hard Drives and not 3rd Party HDDs in your NAS?
It’s a very valid question! Much like the Synology HAT5300 drives being Toshiba MG drives with Synology treatment and firmware changes, why should a user opt for the HAT3300 drives if they are the same price or (likely) a pinch more expensive than the drives from Seagate on their own? Well, technically, users shouldn’t really have to ‘choose’. Unlike the Synology XS series and higher which seemingly had quite strict compatibility lists and support in DSM when 3rd party drives are used, the HAT3300 drives are designed for NAS devices much lower in the food chain (Plus and even Value series devices) which still had a wide range of HDD compatibility (including WD Red and Seagate Ironwolf). This means that the HAT3300 (at least, as far as the range of currently available NAS devices in the market now go) are not a hard/locked choice being foist on the end user. That said, there are several reasons why they might make a better choice over 3rd party drives for some users:
- Synology firmware – When NAS drives are released by popular brands like WD and Seagate, they are designed with firmware that adapts the drive’s internal mechanisms to perform in 24×7 server environments and multi-access RAID configurations. However, as these drives will likely be used in a variety of different NAS systems and brands, they need to be a little broader in their behaviours (different NAS brands run their systems and access patterns/algorithms differently). The Synology HAT3300 will (much like the HAT5300 drives) have firmware that is specifically tweaked towards Synology NAS and it’s own access behaviour. They zeros in on the behaviour ranges of the drives within this particular hardware client system in a way that is much broader in compatible HDDs for NAS will need to be. It’s only a small handful of differences really, but in a larger RAID array and over 24×7, these small things can add up
- Easier Firmware Updates – Surprisingly overlooked by many, but the ease and convenience of being able to update the drive firmware of an HDD from WITHIN the NAS software (in this case DSM) for one or more drives in an existing RAID is incredibly useful! HDD firmware updates for most drives in the market are not particularly frequent (often 1-2 a year at the very most) and these address any improvements that have been developed/observed by the manufacturer since launch or repair any issues/errors that have only been discovered through massive end-user unique use. However, the process of upgrading firmware on a NAS is NOT straightforward. With regular HDDs, you will need to power the NAS down, remove drives individually, connect them to a computer (sometimes directly via SATA, depending on the client system), then run a branded firmware update tool in the OS or in BIOS. Mounting this drive outside of a NAS environment can also open the door to possible formatting/reinitialization or altering existing partitions that will result in the reintroduction into the NAS being (at best) slow as a resync/rebuild is needed or (at worst) the RAID failing if multiple drives are being updated in batches. All this and we have not even discussed the downtime and handling time that will go into repeating this for EVERY DRIVE, as well as the dangers of harming a drive by dropping it or simple static electricity. So, therefore it is HUGELY BENEFICIAL that firmware updates for the Synology HDDs can be done from within DSM without removing the drives!
- Warranty and Support – This is something that will be more appealing to those who purchased a Synology NAS specifically for it being a single eco-system platform (for ease of use and brand support). In the same way that a turn-key/pre-built NAS simplifies a potential process for warranty handling vs a custom-built device that will have individual warranty/support lines for each component (CPU+MEMORY+MOBO+NETWORK CARD, etc), opting for HDDs that are the same brand as the NAS you purchased at the same time massively simplifies the warranty/support process and also allows any issues to be much speedier in their identification (outside of just a simple drive failure of course). Support can even be started from within the Synology NAS system in DSM and progressed from there. Again, this advantage in the HAT3300 drives is a much smaller one, but certainly going to be appealing to small/medium businesses and those who value their time personally, as well as the downtime of their system.
So, as you can see, there are a few reasons why some users might opt for Synology’s HAT3300 drives over that of 3rd party drives in their Diskstation or Rackstation systems. So, what about those much beefier and higher price HAT5300 Hard drives that have been around for a few years now? How do they compare with the newer and lower-tier HAT3300s?
How do the Synology HAT3300 Regular Class and HAT5300 Enterprise Class HDDs Compare?
In terms of the support, compatibility and accessibility to Synology NAS hardware, the HAT3300 and HAT5300 HDDs are pretty much identical (though how/if you can use the HAT3300 in XS/SA/UC/HD servers is still a little less clear) and it is only when you dig into the specification that you can see the main differences between the drives. Here is how they compare:
Hardware Specifications | HAT5300 / HAT5310 | HAS5300 / HAS5310 | HAT3300 / HAT3310 | |
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General | Capacity | 4, 8, 12, 16, 18TB | 8, 12, 16TB | 4, 6, 8, 12TB |
Form Factor | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | |
Interface | SATA 6 Gb/s | SAS 12 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s | |
Sector Size | 512e | 512e | 512e | |
Performance | Rotational Speed | 7200 rpm | 7200 rpm | 5400-7200 rpm (12TB is 7200) |
Interface Speed | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | |
Buffer Size | 256 MiB | 256 MiB | 64-256 MiB (TBC on 4TB) | |
Maximum Sustained Data Transfer Speed | 268 MiB/s | 262 MiB/s | 202-208 MiB/s | |
Reliability | Mean Time to Failure (MTTF) | 2 million hours | 2.5 million hours | 1 million hours |
Workload Rating | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 180 TB Transferred per Year | |
Warranty | 5 Years | 5 Years | 3 Years |
When will the Synology HAT3300 Plus HDD series be released and How much will they be?
As details on the Synology HAT3300 have only just emerged, details regarding pricing at each capacity and their availability are still being outlined by the brand. Expect each capacity of drive to sit somewhere between the comparative price per TB of Seagate Ironwolf regular and Pro series drives. Release of the HAT3300 series looks to be very soon (practically ‘now ish’ in fact) and although I anticipate the bulk of the capacities to be available, expect the actual quantities of each tier to be a little low at least till the 2nd half of 2023. Expect a full review and testing of these drives later this year, here on NASCompares.
Original News Article Below (Out dated):
Synology PLUS NAS Hard Drives – The HAT3300 Series
Get ready for some exciting news for all the Synology and Network Attached Storage (NAS) fans out there! Synology is rolling out a brand new series of HAT3300 hard drives in 2023, and this time it’s geared towards home and SMB users. While Synology already has its own range of HDDs, the HAT5300 and HAT5310 series were mainly designed for Pro and Enterprise users, and many users with smaller scale systems weren’t fully satisfied with their bigger, noisier and more expensive drives.
But now, Synology has finally addressed this issue with the launch of the HAT3300 Plus hard drive series, which will come in four different capacities (and possibly a fifth in 16TB) and will be built on Seagate Ironwolf HDDs. This marks one of the final steps for Synology to complete its one-brand hardware ecosystem of networking equipment, which already includes 2 types of SSD media, numerous types of memory media, upgrade cards, routers and even their own Surveillance IP cameras.
So, let’s talk about the specs of the new Synology HAT3300 range, how it compares to the existing HAT5300 series, and most importantly, whether these drives are worth your precious data. With Synology’s reputation for high-quality products and excellent customer service, we’re confident that these new hard drives will be a game-changer for home and SMB users alike. Don’t miss out on this exciting new release!
Hardware Specifications of the Synology HAT3300 PLUS Hard Drive Range
The Synology HAT3300 Plus hard drives are built on the Seagate Ironwolf platform, which means they will likely share similar hardware specifications. However, Synology has added some firmware improvements, such as the ability to update firmware from within Synology DSM and Storage Manager. Synology has been compatible with Seagate Ironwolf HDD series for a long time, although there were some issues in 2021/2022 when compatibility with some systems was not ideal with the HAT5300 series. The HAT3300 drives being Synology adapted/badged Seagates is a logical move, and the Seagate Ironwolf Health Management tool has been featured in the DSM storage manager for many years.
The HAT3300 drives will come in 4TB, 6TB, 8TB, and 12TB capacities, which are the most commonly used sizes for users in 2023. Here is a breakdown of the specifications for each drive.
Here are their Enterprise series HDDs
HAT5300-4T | HAT5310-8T | HAT5300-12T | HAT5300-16T | HAT5310-18T |
4 TB | 8 TB | 12 TB | 16 TB | 18 TB |
3.5″ | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | 3.5″ |
SATA 6 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s |
512e | 512e | 512e | 512e | 512e |
7,200 rpm | 7,200 rpm | 7,200 rpm | 7,200 rpm | 7,200 rpm |
6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s |
6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s
|
256 MiB | 256 MiB | 256 MiB | 512 MiB | 512 MiB |
243 MiB/s | 248 MiB/s | 242 MiB/s | 262 MiB/s | 268 MiB/s |
2 million hours | 2 million hours | 2.5 million hours | 2.5 million hours | 2.5 million hours |
550 TB Transferred per Year | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 550 TB Transferred per Year |
550 TB Transferred per Year
|
5 Years | 5 Years | 5 Years | 5 Years | 5 Years |
12 V (± 10%) / 5 V (+10/-7%) | 12 V (± 10%) / 5 V (+10/-7%) | 12 V (± 10%) / 5 V (+10/-7%) | 12 V (± 10%) / 5 V (+10/-7%) |
12 V (± 10%) / 5 V (+10/-7%)
|
4.07 W | 5.61 W | 4.25 W | 4.00 W | 4.16 W |
7.76 W | 9.29 W | 7.83 W | 7.63 W | 8.35 W |
Power consumption may differ according to configurations and platforms. |
Here are their Plus series HDDs
Spec | 12TB | 8TB | 6TB | 4TB |
Model ID | HAT3300-12T | HAT3300-8T | HAT3300-6T | HAT3300-4T |
Bay Support | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay | 1-8 Bay |
Recording | CMR | CMR | CMR | CMR |
Drive Seal | Helium | Air | Air | Air |
Workload | 180TB | 180TB | 180TB | 180TB |
Spin Speed | 7200RPM | 5400RPM | 5400RPM | 5900RPM |
Cache | 256MB | 256MB | 256MB | 64MB |
Load Cycles | 600K | 600K | 600K | 600K |
MTBF | 1M Hours | 1M Hours | 1M Hours | 1M Hours |
Warranty | 3yrs* | 3yrs* | 3yrs* | 3yrs* |
*TBC – Will know more when they are launched officially
What drives do Synology use?
It seems like those are Seagate drives. But we will be able to tell more when official pdf is released.
In meantime you can try an make a guess in the comments based on these similar performance drives.
MFR | model | serial | capacity | speed | load | noise | watts | warranty | RPM | Cycles | MTBF |
Seagate | Ironwolf | ST4000VN008 | 4TB | 180MB/s | 180 | 25 | 4.8 | 3 Years | 5900 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Red Plus | WD40EFPX | 4TB | 180 MB/s | 180 | 27 | 4.7 | 3 Years | 5400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Red Plus | WD40EFZX | 4TB | 175 MB/s | 180 | 27 | 4.8 | 3 Years | 5400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD42PURZ | 4TB | 175MB/s | 180 | 27 | 4.6 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD40PURZ | 4TB | 150 MB/s | 180 | 28 | 5.1 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
MFR | model | serial | capacity | speed | load | noise | watts | warranty | RPM | Cycles | MTBF |
Seagate | Ironwolf | ST6000VN006 | 6TB | 202MB/s | 180 | 26 | 5.3 | 3 Years | 5,400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
Seagate | Ironwolf | ST6000VN001 | 6TB | 190MB/s | 180 | 27 | 5.3 | 3 Years | 5,400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Red Plus | WD60EFPX | 6TB | 180 MB/s | 180 | 27 | 4.7 | 3 Years | 5400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD63PURZ | 6TB | 175MB/s | 180 | 27 | 4.6 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD62PURZ | 6TB | 185 MB/s | 180 | 30 | 6.2 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD60PURZ | 6TB | 175 MB/s | 180 | 28 | 5.3 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
MFR | model | serial | capacity | speed | load | noise | watts | warranty | RPM | Cycles | MTBF |
Seagate | Ironwolf | ST8000VN002 | 8TB | 202MB/s | 180 | 26 | 5.3 | 3 Years | 5400 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD81PURZ | 8TB | 213 MB/s | 180 | 29 | 9 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD80PURZ | 8TB | 178 MB/s | 180 | 29 | 6.4 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Purple | WD84PURZ | 8TB | 194 MB/s | 180 | 30 | 6.2 | 3 Years | 5400 | 300,000 | 1,000,000 |
MFR | model | serial | capacity | speed | load | noise | watts | warranty | RPM | Cycles | MTBF |
Seagate | Ironwolf | ST12000VN0008 | 12TB | 210MB/s | 180 | 30 | 7.3 | 3 Years | 7200 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
WD | Red Plus | WD120EFBX | 12TB | 196 MB/s | 180 | 29 | 6.3 | 3 Years | 7200 | 600,000 | 1,000,000 |
Toshiba | N300 | HDWG21CUZSVA | 12TB | 242 MiB/s | 180 | 20 | 4.28 | 3 Years | 7200 | 1,000,000 | |
MFR | model | serial | capacity | speed | load | noise | watts | warranty | RPM | Cycles | MTBF |
Toshiba | N300 | HDWG31GUZSVA | 16TB | 274 MiB/s | 180 | 20 | 4.28 | 3 Years | 7200 | 1,000,000 |
Toshiba 12 TB to 18 TB N300 NAS Hard Drives use a helium-sealed design,
Why would you use Synology HAT3300 Hard Drives and not 3rd Party HDDs in your NAS?
It’s a valid question to ask why users should choose the Synology HAT3300 drives over Seagate drives, which are similarly priced or slightly more expensive. However, users shouldn’t feel forced to choose since the HAT3300 drives are designed to be compatible with a wide range of HDDs for NAS, including WD Red and Seagate Ironwolf, unlike the XS series and higher models which have stricter compatibility lists. There are several reasons why the HAT3300 drives might be a better choice for some users, such as the Synology firmware, which is specifically optimized for Synology NAS and its access behavior, making it more suitable for 24×7 server environments and multi-access RAID configurations. Additionally, firmware updates for the HAT3300 drives can be done within DSM, the NAS software, without removing the drives, which is much more convenient than updating firmware for regular HDDs. Finally, choosing Synology HDDs simplifies the warranty and support process, especially for those who value their time and the downtime of their system. While the HAT5300 drives are higher-priced and more powerful, it’s worth comparing them to the newer HAT3300 drives.
How do the Synology HAT3300 Regular Class and HAT5300 Enterprise Class HDDs Compare?
In terms of the support, compatibility and accessibility to Synology NAS hardware, the HAT3300 and HAT5300 HDDs are pretty much identical (though how/if you can use the HAT3300 in XS/SA/UC/HD servers is still a little less clear) and it is only when you dig into the specification that you can see the main differences between the drives. Here is how they compare:
HARDWARE SPECIFICATIONS | HAT5300 / HAT5310 | HAS5300 / HAS5310 | HAT3300 / HAT3310 | |
---|---|---|---|---|
General | Capacity | 4, 8, 12, 16, 18TB | 8, 12, 16TB | 4, 6, 8, 12TB |
Form Factor | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | 3.5″ | |
Interface | SATA 6 Gb/s | SAS 12 Gb/s | SATA 6 Gb/s | |
Sector Size | 512e | 512e | 512e | |
Performance | Rotational Speed | 7200 rpm | 7200 rpm | 5400-7200 rpm |
Interface Speed | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | 6.0 Gb/s, 3.0 Gb/s, 1.5 Gb/s | |
Buffer Size | 256 MiB | 256 MiB | 64-256 MiB | |
Maximum Sustained Data Transfer Speed | 268 MiB/s | 262 MiB/s | 240 MiB/s | |
Reliability | Mean Time to Failure (MTTF) | 2 million hours | 2.5 million hours | 1 million hours |
Workload Rating | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 550 TB Transferred per Year | 180 TB Transferred per Year | |
Warranty | 5 Years | 5 Years | 5 Years |
Which NAS devices are compatible with the HAT3300 drives?
- 23 Series: DS923+, DS723+, DS423+, DS423, DS223, DS223j, DS123
- 22 Series: RS822+, RS822RP+, RS422+, DS2422+, DS1522+, DVA1622
- 21 Series: RS1221+, RS1221RP+, DS1821+, DS1621+, DVA3221
- 20 Series: RS820+, RS820RP+, DS720+, DS420+, DS220+, DS420j, DS120j, DS220j
- 19 Series: DS119j, DVA3219 18 Series: DS1618+, DS418, DS418j, DS218, DS218play, DS118
- Expansion Unit: RX418, DX1222 , DX517
Conclusion
The Synology HAT3300 is designed to work seamlessly with a variety of NAS devices, including the Plus and Value series devices. This means that users will have more options to choose from when it comes to upgrading their existing NAS devices. With Synology’s firmware specifically tweaked towards Synology NAS and its own access behavior, the HAT3300 will be able to provide improved performance, stability, and compatibility over third-party drives.
One of the key advantages of the Synology HAT3300 is its ability to receive firmware updates directly from within DSM (DiskStation Manager). This is a major advantage for users as firmware updates for most drives in the market are not particularly frequent, and the process of upgrading firmware on a NAS is not straightforward. With the HAT3300, users can update the firmware of one or more drives in an existing RAID without having to power down the NAS or remove the drives individually. This not only saves time but also reduces the risk of data loss or drive failure during the update process.
Furthermore, for those who purchased a Synology NAS specifically for its single ecosystem platform, the HAT3300 drives will simplify the warranty and support process. By opting for HDDs that are the same brand as the NAS, users can benefit from a streamlined warranty and support process, as well as faster identification of any issues that may arise.
In conclusion, the Synology HAT3300 is a highly anticipated release that promises to deliver improved performance, stability, and compatibility for NAS users. With its availability in the UAE market slated for May 2023, users can look forward to upgrading their existing NAS devices and enjoying the benefits of Synology’s latest offering.
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I had problem about my synology nas
And Steve Baker
Technical Support Engineer write me about my problem that
We are sorry to hear that your DS218 has to be reset. This is likely caused by an issue in the DSM operating-system.
We understand that you are worried about losing your data. Please rest assured, your data should not be affected by the reset as the OS and data are stored in separate partitions on the drives. When re-installing the OS, the system should normally not touch the data-partitions of your drives.
I beleived and i did what he said now all my data erased omg i shocked after sir Steve Baker dissepeared i am alone there is nothing in my hands
Synology is regret bad nas choose qnap there isnt good support for problemss !!!
There is no good service and support becarefullll!!!
Synology is big regret
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thanks for saving us headaches.
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Wonder how this works on HA? I have 2 DS220+ on SHA, 2 DS723+ on SHA, 2 DS1618+ on SHA, and 2 DS1821+ on SHA, all have Synology Plus and Enterprise HDDs, no 3rd party HDDs, I’m holding off because this means loosing money… hopefully you’ll address that in the future!
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Thanks for information
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Is it 100% reliable?
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First Toshiba and now SEAGATE… Synology really went with the “Spare EVERY expense” approach!
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I’ve been looking forward to Synology releasing a lower cost Synology drive since the 5300 series came out. My biggest concern is that it will work with XS series NAS since I mostly use them. For example, I’d love to upgrade to the DS3622xs+ but won’t because it requires 5300 series drives. I’d consider upgrading if they verified 3300 series.
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I’m checking out the Seagate X20 20TB’s. (Honestly the only thing that got me on Synology is just the ui, justified the price as if it included a “windows” license)
Wish they supported Lorex on surveillance station (beyond onvif)
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I really don’t get why I should update firmware of my HDD.
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all of that for this price… hmmm… keeping my EXOS 18TB (enterprise storage *and warranty* for the price of Synology’s lower performance 12TB
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I’m never buying Seagate drives for a NAS.
Putting another label on them doesn’t change that.
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If they are doing HDD’s so they can create software popups and other DSM annoyances if you dont buy their overpriced drives … then no, I will stick to my 918+ and Seagate drives. Is Synology the NAS version of the eponymous Corsair example of proprietariness? Not interested in Corsair and possibly new Synology in the future.
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Cool
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If you want a 4TB HDD, do not look further than a refurbished HGST Megascale under 40 USD. It is THE world most reliable drive confirmed by Backblaze. It is quiet and consistent. The only issue is overheating when used in a fan-less enclosure like WD My Cloud. Using for Synology/QNAP etc is completely fine.
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I’d love to actually know what “tweaks” Synology has made to the Ironwolf firmware. I can’t see they’ve done much. How can a drive that is already optimized for NAS operation benefit any more from a vendor specific version? Doesn’t really make sense to me and I suspect it’s Synology looking to profit by a simple re-badging.
Oh, Synology, I just received DSM 7.1 update 4 the other day and still no Ironwolf Health Management support recognized on my Seagate 4Tb Ironwolf drives, model ST4000VNZ06. Why isn’t the IHM option available to DSM regardless of what model Ironwolf drive is installed?
I only recently purchased my first Synology and DSM is indeed very impressive, but if they continue to slowly attempt to lock down their eco system, I shall opt for QNAP next time around.
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Have to wait for pricing and compatibility list updates.
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yup, next step will be looking all theirs NAS to only Synology HDDs, exactly like LaCie many years ago, well, that is why LaCie as NAS devices dosen’t exist anymore. So basically they continue the path of proprietary hardware so they can exploit more money from clients.
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I would have much preferred they partnered with Seagate in higher-end Toshiba are just too slow releasing larger capacity drives.
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The music (although soothing) in the background is distracting when I had to turn up the volume.
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Still waiting for a 20TB drive.
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20TB would be nice, as Seagate make them in 20TB, so long as Synology don’t lock us to this model I think its fine, If they had a bundle of NAS + Synology HDD that works out lower cost than using other brands it might be logical
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As long these (and other HATxxx) drives remains as options and not as requirements to properly setup an NAS are good news, but I’m sceptical about Synology management which seems intoxicated with greed.
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Sadly, with covid, paper sticker prices have skyrocketed to 300-600 usd each, so that’s why synology hard drives are so expensive. Plus, someone has to put the stickers on the hard drives. All in all, a bargain! /sarcasm
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I’m using Toshiba 18tb in my synology 920+ .. can I use synology firmware to update these hard drives
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So are saying for the home user to side step these drives?
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that the firmware is tailored to DSM also allows Synology to say we give them 5 years of warranty but you can’t migrate them because these drive are no longer supported by DSM. i hate that synology is locking down it’s eco system.
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These are pointless and stupid and do nothing more than giving the company reasons to eventually lock down their units to prevent using other drives. These do not need to exist and tolerating it is telling the company that it’s okay to continue gouging and restricting their devices.
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*Quick Note* – Had like 3 hours sleep after a late night. Apologies if I seem a bit ‘scatty’ on this one! Have a great week.
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Please advise if we can use NVM to sata expansion ports for RAID
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Can you set up (in a 4-bay nas) a raid5 with 3 disks +1 not allocated and check if you can upgrade the not allocated one without reboot?
If this is succesful, I can see this be a working use case.
Then repeat the test marking the extra drive as hot spare, and see if you can still upgrade without rebooting
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Great video, I keep repeating myself quite often. But I do not mind. Really!
But, I do have a few M A J O R concerns about this feature;
1. I would be extremely worried if a firmware is released (quite) often, as I have with the HD’s we do have, never ever (really!) seen a firmware-update.
I wonder what a HD manufacturer can improve (via a firmware-update) upon other then fixing bugs?
I could be wrong but only at the initial release of a new model HD I would expect a firmware-update or two. (so to speak)
2. I wonder what happens when the firmware-update fails? Will it recover or will it become a brick?
3. I do not expect this feature to be used that often so a bit mute?
It is nice to have feature and IMHO just a gimmick (sort of) that they can enforce you only buying their own branded HD’s.
BTW, another interesting different topic, QNAP has again a reported security-issue with a score of 9.8, yikes!
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I can think of two possible tests:
1. drive in a RAID array (which is not accessed, expected behavior: restart
2. drive not in a RAID array, expected behavior: update without restart
Not really interested though, as I’m not a Synology user (and I might buy Synology in the future, but not those “Synology” drives).
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Thks, Mr HDD
PS: OMG, Synology 16TB HAT5300 SATA III 3.5″ Internal Enterprise HDD is ~!$600! (to rich for my blood 😉
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Really useful test, as usual????
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The old wisdom says: never touch a running system.
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Use one drive for one test and the other drive for the other test.
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I can tell you for whom is beneficial Synology HDD, is very beneficial for Synology bank account. cheers.
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