If Not Synology? Which Other NAS Brand Should You Choose?
It’s an odd question, but with Synology arguably making some rather higher business and enterprise decisions in recent years, there have been increasing queries about who would fill the void if they moved onwards and upwards. As Synology holds such a powerful position in the NAS market, their absence would certainly lead to quite the battle of strength from other players. The obvious answer would be QNAP, a brand that has a similar history to Synology (over two decades in the business, Taiwan-based, in-house OS, numerous 1st-party tools, home and business solutions, etc.), but in 2024, the reality is nowhere near as clear-cut. Younger established brands that have jockeyed for 3rd position, such as Asustor and Terramaster, have been challenged by several startups (ZimaCube, Latticeworks, to name just two) entering the fray, as well as established brands like UGREEN, which are expanding their business into the NAS sector. If Synology, for whatever reason, ceased to occupy this important user class of private turnkey server ownership, who would be best placed to occupy it?
How, Where and Why Has Synology Changed?
Synology’s rapid change in business stance to be more enterprise/hyperscale-focused comes at the same time as their frequency of more entry-level, small business, prosumer, and enthusiast solutions has dropped. The regularity of smaller 2-Bay and 4-Bay solutions has noticeably decreased, and the hardware they feature has changed to accommodate more business-type use. This by no means suggests that the brand is making moves to exit these user groups (indeed, support of DSM and the latest revision DSM 7.2.2 extends to all existing users up to many systems released in the late 2010s). However, there has been plenty of user outcry from existing users and potential customers on the architecture of both DSM and the recent releases that exacerbate users to move away from the brand and spend their allocated budgets elsewhere. Synology still comfortably sits ahead of its competitors in terms of software, features, and the UX of their platform, but many changes in policy and support mentioned below have started this trend:
- Changes in 3rd-party HDD compatibility on systems above the 8-Bay scale, prioritizing their own 1st-party labeled HDDs and SSDs, as well as reducing the presentation and compatibility listings on their site significantly.
- Changes in the choice of internal hardware featured in their systems to be more focused on business file processes and less on multimedia use.
- Comparatively smaller increases in base hardware between refreshes of individual series (e.g., J4125 and V1500B CPUs in 2024 launch devices, despite first appearing in 2019/2020).
- Considerable increased focus on software enhancements over hardware (not a bad thing, but an undeniable fact).
- Increased proprietary hardware support over 3rd-party (e.g., Synology-only Memory modules, custom 10GbE adapters like the E10G22-T1, Synology-only M.2 SSDs for Pool Use).
- An increasing number of cloud subscription services getting newer features, while local services remain secure and stable but static.
- New product focus shifting towards newer larger-scale solutions like the evolving GridStation series, Active Protect subscription system, and C2 innovations.
- The predicted elimination of the J entry-level series in favor of the pre-populated and software-streamlined BeeStation.
All of the above are small factors in themselves, but add them all up, and you see small but important stepping stones toward a gear shift in Synology’s target demographic. So, if Synology were to intentionally or inadvertently begin to move outside of these user groups of home, small business, and enthusiast, who stands to fill this space and grow?
QNAP vs Synology?
As mentioned earlier, QNAP stands to be the most likely contender to fill this space. With over 20 years of history, a larger range of hardware solutions than Synology, and software that does pretty much everything Synology’s does, they have been consistent competitors. However, inconsistencies in user experience, conflicting UIs, and a tendency to try to do “too much” have resulted in their losing ground to Synology in terms of software. Add to this the negative brand impact of security incidents in 2020-2022, which tarnished their reputation around security and safety, requiring serious improvement. To the brand’s credit, they have made considerable internal culture changes on this subject, adding bounty programs, tightening system defaults, increasing pen testing, introducing several system security scanning tools, disabling things like SSH and admin super user accounts as standard, and more.
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In terms of hardware, they have mostly stuck to what works, refreshing existing product families at the same rate of 2.5-3 years for desktop small-medium scale, and 3-5 years for larger scale. They have also introduced significantly more recent CPUs from both Intel and AMD, as well as 2.5GbE as standard on their solutions at the same price point as 1GbE. If it weren’t for the damaging brand harm caused by the Deadbolt/QSnatch/Qlocker ransomware attacks, I think Synology would have been significantly challenged by QNAP in the last 2-3 years across all fronts. However, the setback to QNAP’s reputation reduced this growth potential significantly, and in the last two years, we have seen an increasing number of new names pop up in NAS that have also harmed QNAP’s appeal to users in terms of hardware value, the thing they could always be relied upon to beat Synology on. QNAP would still stand to become the ‘top dog’ in the event of a Synology exit (Synexit?) from the low-to-medium tiers of NAS storage, but many new players have entered the field, such as…
UGREEN vs QNAP?
Largely known for their power adapters and PC accessories, a year ago UGREEN had practically no real presence in the world of NAS. They had a smaller scale and more entry-level range of solutions that were limited to the East, but aside from that, they were complete outsiders. Fast forward to now, and following a successful and well-marketed Kickstarter campaign that raised millions of dollars, they are now a provider of genuinely impressive turnkey NAS solutions—the NASync series. The key word there is “turnkey”, as in they are providing both the hardware and the software. They could have just rolled out their hardware and made it OS-free (i.e., “Here’s a ready-built server, now go install UnRAID or TrueNAS”), but instead, they opted to produce and include an impressively responsive NAS OS in UGOS. Genuinely challenging the feature set of the likes of Asustor and Terramaster, as well as the design of Synology and the hardware level of QNAP, UGREEN has made a rapidly growing name for itself in the small-to-medium NAS sector.
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They definitely lack the range of solutions that those other brands offer, with only 6 solutions currently available (the DXP2800, DXP4800/PLUS, DXP6680, DXP8800, and DXP480T), and no rackmount solutions yet, but it’s a solid start. Equally, their software, although fluid and responsive in nailing down the NAS fundamentals, lacks many of the more impressive AAA+ solutions that are offered by the bigger brands. Lastly, although they raised a considerable sum during the crowdfunding, they do not have the global support, offices, or availability of their long-running NAS competitors—with solutions only being available in two regions, the US and Germany. All of these factors add up to a brand that is poised to make even bigger splashes in the years to come but is perhaps not quite ready to replace the big dog, Synology, just yet!
ASUSTOR vs Synology?
Always the bridesmaid, but never the bride, Asustor is a brand that has been around in the world of NAS in one shape or form for quite a few years. They are one of the mainstream Taiwanese brands in NAS that has always ‘been there’, but it is only in the last 4-5 years that they have been making sizable moves to take on both Synology and QNAP. One of the main ways in which they pursued this is by developing numerous features in both hardware and software that are available from their competitors individually. So features such as M.2 NVMe-focused storage systems, BTRFS support, WORM locking, 2.5GbE/5GbE support, HDMI output via a dedicated GUI, and more are features available on Synology and QNAP to some extent, but only Asustor rolls them under one brand umbrella. So, how poised are they to fill a void if Synology moved out of this space?
Well, from a hardware standpoint, Asustor is in a very good position. Them being Taiwan-based will certainly soothe concerns that have grown around Chinese companies and data storage solutions. Equally, their hardware has evolved rapidly in their last two generations to feature some genuinely unique solutions that are either specific to the platform or priced at a level that makes them genuinely competitive against DIY and BYO solutions. Systems such as the Flashstor series, Lockerstor series, and even value offerings like the Drivestor are surprisingly well equipped. They are not quite on the same level of hardware as QNAP (who have a significantly more diverse hardware portfolio), but they are fleshing it out very well.
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However, it is the software of Asustor (ADM) that is unfortunately where the brand is a little more timid. They have a NAS OS, numerous client tools for Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android—and they nail down the bulk of the application fundamentals for storage management, multi-site backup handling, multimedia playback, containers, and more. But the platform lacks a few of the more AAA/desirable services, such as AI-powered photo recognition, a 1st-party VM tool, ZFS support, and ultimately is a little more reliant on 3rd-party applications to fill the gaps. They have recently countered this by officially detailing that they support users who buy Asustor hardware to go ahead and install 3rd-party NAS software like TrueNAS or UnRAID without it harming your warranty—so they know they are not leading the pack in terms of their own ADM NAS software but do make noticeable user concessions. With new hardware on the horizon in the Lockerstor Gen3 and Flashstor Gen2 (both of which see a significant bump in hardware profiles), we might see some impressive moves from Asustor in 2025. I just think they still have some ways to go before they can fill any potential void that Synology might leave.
TERRAMASTER vs Synology?
Terramaster has been jockeying for the NAS 3rd place spot with Asustor for well over a decade at this point, and much like their opponent, they have been good at integrating individual features from both QNAP and Synology into their own NAS hardware and TOS platform, but to a larger degree than Asustor. For example, their OS provides largely everything that Asustor ADM does (including TrueNAS/UnRAID support without voiding your warranty) but adds to this with an AI photo recognition platform, their own VM tool, and an impressive Isolation Mode that can sever the system at the click of a button from remote access, 3rd-party PHP, and any external requests (necessitating a restart to disable). However, as this brand is a Chinese brand, there will always be question marks raised by users about how this system compares with Taiwanese-based systems. This is a little unfair, given that Terramaster, Asustor, and QNAP were all successfully hit by the same ransomware attack (Deadbolt) a few years back, so there was plenty of ‘vulnerability’ to spread around!
In terms of hardware, Terramaster has been making some impressive and aggressive strides in this area—with the recent launch of their 3-part F4-424 Intel NAS series (Standard, Pro, and MAX), the release of two 8-bay M.2 NVMe 10GbE equipped systems (the F8 PLUS and F8 SSD PLUS), and new desktop and rackmounts hot on their heels. They have also scaled up the design to better improve cooling, efficiency, and just general visual appeal.
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However, much like Asustor, their software is just not able to challenge the standard that Synology has set. For buyers looking for smooth and easy utilization like Synology, Terramaster’s TOS has the danger of feeling a little clunky. Their latest release, TOS6, brings new features, software standards, and design to the mix, but it lacks the range of mobile applications, desktop client tools, and consistent UX/presentation that Synology seems to do so well. Terramaster is a fantastic value-for-money choice, and I would argue they have significantly scaled up the level of hardware and software utility they provide year on year. But they still have a way to go before they can hit the same notes as Synology DSM yet.
WD / Netgear vs Synology?
This is a pretty short one! The answer is no! Both WD and Netgear have regularly reduced their hardware ranges and the frequency of software updates these last few years, and although there are a decent range of business file server systems still being released, the general home/enthusiast/prosumer level of hardware is pretty poor and uninteresting compared to everyone else on this list so far. I cannot help but get the feeling that, aside from some basic backup NAS systems that are still listed at the majority of retailers, the bulk of their range has been in circulation for 5-6 years now without any refresh in sight. For basic target file/folder storage, these systems still provide some limited modern NAS utility, but overall, they are a fairly weak alternative to Synology’s offerings in 2024.
A UniFi NAS?
With increased mentions and leaks online towards a potential NAS in the works from UniFi, this could be a very credible alternative to Synology in terms of software UX and presentation. UniFi, and its incredibly user-friendly UX featured on their Switch, Router, NVR, and Dream Machine combination systems, is where UniFi shines. No doubt any UniFi NAS solution would need to similarly blend into their ecosystem to the same degree. That said, if they were to launch a system, all their experience in the fields of network management, router security, and surveillance systems might not necessarily translate into a similar pedigree in network-attached storage. It’s hard to discuss how or if UniFi could fill any market space that a potential Synology absence would create, as they do not have any systems out in the market to make an informed decision. This is for the “To Be Continued…” pile!
Drobo vs Synology?
No…just…no. See Video Below:
IceWhale / ZimaCube
This is a very interesting one. 2023 and 2024 saw several companies arrive in the turnkey NAS space via the crowdfunding route (we already discussed UGREEN as the biggest example), wanting to break into the market. However, IceWhale benefits from having already launched two previous successfully fulfilled campaigns and is just completing their third one with the ZimaCube NAS system. Arriving with the lightweight containerized platform Zima OS (a modified version of their existing Casa OS), this new series is pretty impressive for its scale and price point at launch. Add to that the significantly unique design, impressive use of 10GbE and Thunderbolt over IP, and a 6x HDD / 4x NVMe system in a compact case, and you can see why they have made a fairly significant splash for a brand that is comparatively unheard of compared to Synology, QNAP, etc.
However, as robust as their range of solutions is (ZimaBoard, ZimaBlade, and ZimaCube), the software is still very rudimentary compared to the bulk of other browser GUI and more “operating system”-stylized UX. There are virtually no client applications, except for their own system search and connection client tools. An eventual successor to Synology, if they moved upwards toward bigger and more business-oriented solutions, would need to hit the software functionality and user experience exceedingly early and exceedingly well.
Mini PC Brands – Lincplus, Aoostar, etc.
This is an odd one. There have been a large number of solutions appearing on sites such as AliExpress that arrive as “OS-Free” services, allowing a user to get a pre-built NAS hardware solution (i.e., no need to build one yourself, which takes longer and requires a degree of technical understanding). The end user can then choose to install popular and well-established solutions like TrueNAS, UnRAID, OpenMediaVault, and more.
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This serves as an impressively economical solution and has significantly grown in popularity in 2023/2024, but these 3rd-party software platforms lack a lot of the ease of use and quality of life client tools for modern devices that Synology features. Indeed, despite efforts like UnRAID 7 making its day-to-day use much easier, and TrueNAS working with HexOS for a more user-friendly output, these still pale in comparison to DSM and will also require a greater degree of technical user input in the long term to maintain stability, versus Synology’s rather more “it takes care of itself” design.
Synology vs EVERYONE ELSE – Conclusion and Verdict
If Synology were to leave the home/enthusiast/prosumer/small business tier very soon, I do think QNAP would stand to reoccupy this ground. However, give it 2-3 years, and I do think players like Terramaster, Asustor, and yes—even UGREEN—are poised to give QNAP some serious consumer competition. No doubt Synology is still keeping an eye on their competition (big and small) and would not willingly or easily give up this sector without a fight. However, there is no denying that the turnkey NAS industry is no longer the 2-3 horse race it was just five years ago!
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Used to manage a fleet of Readynas units. Had some issues with btrfs but overall reliable units
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I’m looking for a system to run an online cloud server for 4-8k video clips. Security, speed, and long term investment are important to me. What would you recommend?
P.S I’m looking for at least 6 bays and would like to run raid 6 for dual redundancy. Thanks for any tips.
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I will stick with Synology since my data is important to me.
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Currently I use an old DS213j ,…! I’ve tried some TerraMaster 4 bays but find the browser based apps are to clunky.
Need a 456 bay Nas With features I’m used to. I’m thinking Synology Q-Nap around £600
Enjoy the information
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I have started to disgust synology snobness and trying to place itself to apple position in nas world. Overpriced, pripretorery disk, ram, closed circuit portless nases. Fuck DSM.
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Will this SSD fitt inn the U2 slot of the Minisforum MS-01 aand function withoutt any issues? It’s a Western Digittall Ultrastar DC SN650, U.3, 15MM, 15,360GB, 2.5-inch, PCIe.
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What does the power consumption with the HDD drive’s in standby? (not running)?
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Went over to Unraid because of Synology’s dismal hardware and overpricing. I mainly use Plex and they fail to meet my demands for a seamless Plex environment.
Unraid is superb, more flexible and more powerful. DSM is just not enough reason to stay anymore
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I would go Qnap tomorrow if only they would allow hybrid raid. I wished for this for over 15 years.
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Hola buenas tardes desde palmira valle pais colombia
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synology does not deserve the money for its hardware. It is like apple.
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I considered Synology a few years ago, but I went with Asustor, and I’m glad I did, and I’ve moved up into a better NAS, again with Asustor.
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Asustor
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I just want one single thing from a Synology competitor: A rock solid alternative to SHR.
The prosumer cannot afford buying a set of uniform disks and having an ability to mix and match is what keeps me with Synology.
Plugging any storage in and having DSM add it to the pool and intelligently adjust its configuration is THE killer feature for me.
I host every service elsewhere, on a dedicated piece of hardware. I just want the easiest way to mix disks into maximum storage.
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I wish the uGreens were available in Canada (only US & Germany so far according to the company).
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Thanks for this great advice, thinking of leaving synology. My DS220+ will soon leave the building. Mostly because of the current course and stopping video station made me make this decision.
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From the future: This was all pretty much spot on ????
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*It FINALLY Happened* – @UbiquitiInc finally launched the #Unifi UNAS Pro – and here is my massive review https://youtu.be/rbq2so5S-zI
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As a Unifi + QNAP user, I have come to realize that I would strongly prefer a dedicated NAS-only device. I would rather run VM and containerized services such as PiHole and JellyFin and OPNsense on a dedicated mini-PC or NUC. The opensource products are so polished these days that I have no interest in the half-assed commercial versions provided by the consumer NAS manufacturers. With the affordability of 10GbE and Thunderbolt networking, there is little advantage to combining storage and services into a single vulnerable machine. Keeping each service and storage as separate and discrete as possible adds a lot of resilience to the overall network.
For those that just want a single box, and are concerned about Synology’s current commitment to the lay user market, I’d have to say that I am impressed with the improvements made by QNAP over the past few years.
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Love the magic roundabout montage!
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I love a 1U rack mount Unifi NAS.
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Wonder if you have any view on the pricing of the new Asustor Lockerstor Gen 3. Was so looking forward to this as a really futureproof, software-neutral option with ECC etc, which no one else seems to have. I knew it would be expensive but can’t see myself (or many others in the enthusiast / non-enterprise category) going for it unless it is deeply discounted.
I could custom build something so much better, or pay half price for a less capable machine but better software e.g. from QNAP (only thing missing would be ECC).
The price will eventually settle around $1000 when is widely available.
Its very annoying the fact that Synology seems to be abandoning the Prosumer market. I´ve been waiting for a year now for them to release an updated version of the DS1522+ because I negate to buy a NAS with such old specs. I still have a DS1513+ running, but does not receive updates anymore and its slow, really slow. I am really considering a Supermicro SuperWorkstation 531A-IL to build my own NAS as it supports ECC RAM, a powerful Gen 12th processor (safe from 13th and 14th buggy ones), and comes in an attractive package with a modern motherboard, PCIe 5 and a lot of goodies. The only thing I dont want to deal with is the software and the maintenance of it. I have been quite happy with Synology for the last 10 years. I would like to have certain amount of certainty that if I go through the Supermicro path, it will be fine with something like Proxmox + UnRaid for instance. I am 44 years old and I am a little bit tired of having to babysit a server. I wish Synology would make it more straight forward, but unfortunatelly they dont seem to launch anything, their news website is just filled up with monthly or bi monthly news updates mostly segmented for the business market. Asustor anounced the Gen3, but their software seems to be very buggy, unstable or inmature. The hardware seems to be good, but the leaked pricing places it at the same level of a Supermicro server, in which case I would prefer it (I think). Its so difficult to try to make a decision and be happy with it. Sometimes I think I should have just purchased the DS1522+ and focus on mini PC´s for more powerful activities with a Proxmox.
I can’t wait to see Hex Os hit the scene, I have high hopes… hopefully we’re all not disappointed.
As the consumer market continues to grow synology are going to continue to move away. Who wants to participate in the race to the bottom.
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Why nobody ever talks about user telemetry in these devices? AFAIK QNAP is the only one with options to disable it; haven’t tested it myself. The other players don’t offer opt-out capabilities. Yes, they have privacy policies and claim they only retrieve anonymized information with personal data removed. Sure. But if the company’s headquarters are outside Europe can I trust them on this? (Synology, backdooring much?)
At the moment I’m on the DIY way, but I have some side projects that would speed up a lot if I didn’t have to worry so much about software setup.
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Enterprise Network Video Pro due 18 Oct and could be a direct reuse for a NAS potentilly… we live in hope!
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Any NAS with less than 2.5GbE is a non starter in 2024 (or more like eveb 2-3 years ago, looking at you Synology).
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I’m sticking on my DS920+ for several more years.
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Used supermicro systems on eBay are out of this world and just crush Synology. It’s real Enterprise technology at amazing price.
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I am a relatively new NAS consumer and decided to go with Synology. Buy now I am happy with it because of DSM and because I do not have the need for ultra fast hardware and access the NAS from outside my local network. Let’s see what future will bring. Maybe Synology will be not the No.1 for consumer anymore.
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I still have a Drobo 5D3 at the end of 2024. The only regret to buying this unit is that it overheats (accumulation of dust that is really hard to clean while the system is live), and that it doesn’t work with Linux. Might have to find a mac mini with a 10gig interface and share the storage out that way.
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I think you are selling TrueNas a bit short. Yes they have a very big and well supported community base, but there are vendors like IXL Systems that sell TrueNas Scale NAS systems as turnkey solutions. How small they get I am not sure, but they are available
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Never came across Synology in large business and enterprise environment in more than 30 years in professional IT experience. I unterstand their strategical idea to gets rid of the prosumer market and move to the Eldorado of scaling high volume enterprise business. But this will lead them to the middle of nowhere and in the end they may disappear from the market within a few years. Lets hope I am wrong.
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Mine just caught fire, doing backup and smoke started coming out the back! Danger if you still have one.
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sooooo where can we buy it ? 🙂
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The 453E and 253E just became live for QUTS HERO. Gonna migrate now.
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I’ve never had anything but success running Synology for my clients but a Ugreen 6 bay + TrueNAS Scale has been a winning hardware and software combination for my home lab this year. I wouldn’t change it for Synology at home.
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Anyone knows why obsolete WDMyCloud devices are so overpriced?!. Particularly PR2100 & PR4100
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I’m really disappointed and have concern on the direction of Synology.
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The video didn’t really answer the question in it’s title, it just gave the same options any watcher of this channel would know are available. The insinuation, whether intentional or not, was that Synology are the best which kind of defeats the point.
For me the exciting one would be Ubiquiti, I already run the network hardware and love it.
I’ve had Terramaster, they aren’t there yet (running TOS 5). QNAP have suffered too many security issues, UGreen are too new and lack availability. So I considered Asustor and self-build as the only viable options. My choice for now is the 6 bay Lockerstore gen 2 but I’m still looking at setting up a test self-build to see if I like it.
Synology are done for prosumers in my opinion, the weak hardware has overtaken their software advantage… and they appear keen to chip away at that software advantage in recent releases.
I echo roocrew86: I dont understand how Synology has fucked this up
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Where can we buy ugreen in uk ?
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I would have completely understood if you had not included DIY solutions. But I was sure glad to see the inclusion of DIY/BYO ! Thank you!
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I’ve been a Synology customer since 2009 but recently they’ve been really disappointing. I was hesitating to try QNAP and I’m getting more and more tempted. If they really are now focusing on businesses, I will most likely look somewhere else…
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By by Synology from home market????
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I think a good video would be to show apps competition.
I mean, ACB in another brands, how it would work ?
Hyperbackup, snapshot replication, usb-copy.
And how much these other solutions are reliable..
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The longer I have my Synology NAS, with all the questions that I’ve had and the elusive answers, I think I’m just going to forego remote access and go back to a portable usb drive. I just can’t be bothered with trying to understand the complex world of NAS and all the drawbacks. In my case, the learning curve and knowledge required to run a NAS are overkill. In fact I’m relieved to realise that I’ll exit the NAS and the headaches.
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I’m same looking at alternatives so this vid was helpful thanks. Iam waiting for asustor flashstore gen 2!
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I’m a home user. Sadly, my next NAS (5 years away) is unlikely to be Synology.
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Terra Master will take over Synology in coming years.
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I wish one of these brands would go to the market and actually ask them what we want in a device.
Then we would finally see 10GbE and devices with ECC RAM.
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I have looked at many different options but come back to Synology for one software that nobody else matches.
Active Backup for Business
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Hi,
Is QNAP TS-253D 8gb ram (used) for 140 usd a good deal???
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What about a DIY hardware and Xpenology?
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I love my Synology 1821+. This is a great, easy to use machine. If you’re a prosumer, you should just be building your own NAS with Unraid or TrueNAS anyways. I have one DIY NAS with Unraid and my 1821+. Love them both. I would have no issue buying another Synology to supplement if needed.
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Just a reminder for anyone considering brands from Mainland China, it is written in China’s law that all passwords belong to the government. So, good luck.
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it desapears the only synology advantage
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I dont understand how Synology can fuck this up. It is pretty simple, stop selling a calculator with a whistle at the same price as real hardware. All they have to do is refresh their line up with proper NIC and cpu
done
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I feel dirty and sad in equal measure saying it, but if Unifi came out with a NAS with an OS even close to par with DSM on it, I’d buy it in a heartbeat!
In the meantime, whilst all the others tempt me as little projects pieces, as for trusting any of them with my data, work etc, well they might be a bit less exciting, and certainly less empowered, but I’ll be sticking with Synology! Served me well for the last 12 years, I just hope they don’t really start ignoring me!
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Unless Synology releases a mini form factor NAS with two (or more) M.2 drives, I won’t even consider getting another Synology. I haven’t used HDDs for many years.
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With the backing of ASUS after the Intel NUC takeover …I think ASUSTOR is best placed to take over the SMB/PROSUME space….much bigger company then ALL of these combined !
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Well, Synology started dropping codecs for video so I tried UniFi Protect.
Guess what, I liked UniFi Protect more so I’ve switched.
If they keep dropping other important things, I may have to move on.
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If I could get DSM on a nonsynology system I would be very interested in doing so 🙂
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Thank you very much for your informative video.
You describe exactly what I went through with my IT company.
We liked to use the Synology platform because it provided good support for our SOHO environment.
But Synology doesn’t offer an affordable path for our growing needs.
Our minimum requirement is an 8 core 16 thread processor. 32G memory as a minimum.
Only then can we get started with virtualization. That doesn’t have to cost capital either.
In the end, I found the solution in DIY Proxmox systems. AMD Ryzen 5 5600G is already a breath of fresh air compared to what Synology can offer you.
Costs are not too bad at all. The migration for a professional is also not too dramatic.
A Kerio Connect or Mailenable runs smoothly on this as an Exchange alternative. You can even run two MS SQL servers on it. Albeit under light load.
My conclusion is that Synology no longer serves the prosumer/soho market.
For the lightweight users, there are plenty of alternatives.
For the more demanding users, Proxmox offers, at least that’s how I feel, so much better experience that I wonder why didn’t I switch sooner?
But everyone has their own choice that we must understand and respect.
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TrueNAS, QNAP, 45 drives, DIY, etc there are a lot of options.
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One of the thing SME can do is go for low end servers from the likes of DELL Supermicro etc, where they get all the enterprise hardware & warranty and can bring UnRAID/TrueNAS onto the box. Of course you can go and get 2nd user enterprise stuff as well – then you can get not only 10Gb but 100 Gb
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Since 2020 the writing has been on the wall that Synology have shifted towards enterprise stuff. Pre-COVID their hardware for home users was excellent and their software was very much the best. Peaked around the DSX20+ models.
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I think DSM > QTS/QuTS Hero, but ZFS > BTRFS.
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If I want Thunderbolt and 10 GbE, Synology doesn’t deliver, only QNAP does that.
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Nobody should ever buy Ubiquiti equipment, despite them having probably the best user interface in the market. They don’t take security seriously, and their support is nonexistent. I wouldn’t use their products if they were free.
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I’ve been using the Buffalo Terrastion for years. Ran their LinkStation for years also. Security isn’t a huge deal, they have the features I need, and they are simple to set up. Not so fast though. I’ve recently set up a bigger TrueNAS 5Gbs system to replace my old NAS’s but there is a definite learning curve. Cost matters.
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Checklist for myself.
Urgreen: ❌ ODECC but no ECC
Asustor: ❌ no ECC
Terramaster: ❌ no ECC
Unifi: ❌Not for me, I’ll let others beta test for a few years. No interest in letting random Unifi users browse my NAS, And have you ever seen their privacy policy?
DIY: ❌ Could build one with ECC, enough PCI lanes, and SSD slots with an enterprise-grade HBA, but power consumption would be insane, price would be double a Synology, and no DSM.
Synology: ✅ Has ECC, low power consumption, a no-nonsense OS, and it’s reliable.
2024 Conclusion for myself: Still sticking with Synology. What do I really want from a NAS, anyway? My separate Proxmox server handles everything else. I’ll let the NAS do what it’s meant for.
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I still use my first Synology NAS from 10 years ago. It’s been good for a starter NAS. Inexpensive and just works. But the old hardware can’t handle more than the most basic NAS functions. Soon as I do anything, the CPU spikes to max usage and won’t come down.
I’m ready for an upgrade and I want a NAS that’s more powerful than what Synology offers.
I really like the Synology software, but I don’t like the old, weak hardware in their NAS offerings.
I have a QNAP spec’d out, but security concerns is definitely an issue. I need to research this before spending $3500 on a new NAS.
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Consultants have left Synology as they dont provide value anymore. The software is good, but QNAP caught up and past in things that matter. The pricing makes zero sense if you use all branded stuff as your being forced to. Once the solution is deployed you rarely log in to even enjoy the fast ui, QNAP just makes so much more sense for smb and prosumer now.
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Why are there no US or European start-ups trying enter the NAS space…
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You bring up good points, but I disagree fully in that QNAP isn’t ready to take over the spot. They have, literally most consultants I talked to switched to QNAP from Synology. 4 years is a longtime to bring up security, why not talk about the bots hitting synology now. We all can have an opinion, but in the tech world for smb in the US, QNAP has gained. It is very charitable to say Synology hardware is boring. The 464 is boring, the 423 is a joke…
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45Drives
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Have you tried the recent update of Terramaster Tos6? If so working good ? Looking to get a terramaster and if i should just use tos6 🙂 only planning to use plex and backup photos for mobiles
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TrueNas
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But where are the seagulls, something happened to them?
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Great summary. I agree with all of it!
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I expect to replace my old Synology 218+ with a Terramaster F4-424 , possibly the pro model, if there are some good deals come black friday
if i don’t like TOS 6 i’ll install Truenas/Unraid/OMV on it instead
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I’m trying to move away from my old WD My Book to a NAS, was going to go with Synology but I’m not happy with the direction the company is going in – Currently it’s between UGreen and whatever Ubiquity come out with – UGreen I can’t buy yet because I’m in the UK and Ubiquity hasn’t released theirs yet either, so I’m a bit in limbo at the moment.
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Terramaster with unraid, got my F4-423 with 64gb of ram, 2 x NVMe and 4 x 10tb drives, its great ????
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I don’t have any UniFi equipment yet, but have been following the brand and its development for some time. I am currently okay with my 6-bay Synology NAS running hybrid RAID with 4 TB drives, one of which is a hot spare. At this point, however, I only use the NAS for storage, no media server and no surveillance, although I plan to add the later at some point. A UniFi NAS solution might be the thing that finally pushed me into their total ecosystem, as I don’t really make use of most of what DSM has to offer.
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Synology killing usb support is a shit show
FYI if you use a usb hub it delete partitions on all but one drive
same on a multi Drive enclosure
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If UNIFI goes for the NAS space I hope they just implement a SAMBA server with user/quotas management on a 1U or 2U platform. A UNIFI NAS would be beautiful… as any other UNIFI equipment.
All I want and need from a NAS is storage space.
Server functionality I get from my own systems with Linux (virtual machines, Nextcloud, etc.). These systems can also be used as a NAS if needed. Hence, SYNOLOGY devices are useless to me.
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Is saw the new Terramaster hardware (f4-424) and its awesome!
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I Purchased Synology because it reminded me of my apple products with ease of use , but with my Plex 4K HD library growing the CPU has being found wanting(especially when watching at work ) .I have even paid down on zettlab crowd fund NAS item . I have essentially tried to avoid building my own ,but Youtube as inspired me to go for it . Got my Trunas start up USB sorted and slowly going to build one . Erying (embedded CPU)motherboard ordered (after watching you video )and gonna go for it . Its the only way I’m going to be truly satisfied.
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I’m on my 3rd Synology in 15 years…
I know it is far behind on hardware, but I need an easy non-techy solution that is just safe, always works and is easy to manage and upgrade.
If I move to something else; I have to move 24TB so buy or loan new Disk space?
If I move to something else, I have to learn/find how to setup dockers, vpn, firewall, sub-domains with certificates, media-server, pc-backup, cloud-sync, mobile apps, etc. etc.
For me not worth to switch; months of headaches
I’m just a user, not a tech nerd brewing my own solutions…
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The TLDR … even thougth I watched every second:
– No one else has the turnkey package Synology has,
– Although it would be fun, I dont want the headache and potential maintenance of a DUI,
– I have a DS-918 in our home server, no business, no prosumer or enterprise needs, its just about safe storage of our families digital life,
– sure its not bleeding edge, not fastest around, but its also not got the recent problems of drive and other hardware compatibility etc
… so Im not doing a darn thing until this one actually implodes and fails to start … I’ll worry about it … and likely watch me some more Robbie … when that time comes.
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Perhaps a merger between Unify and either QNAP or Asustor?
Unify could help close the security issues.
My impression (without hands on experience) is that Docker is more uptodate on Asustor.
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I have recently moved from Synology after having one for years, over to Terramaster and really happy with it.
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For home and prosumuer anya alternative must have hybrid Raid. Money and old HDD reuse is one point that can kill alternatives….
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I *think* I’m still happy that I learnt the TrueNAS solution, built a SuperMicro based system that does what I need, though Synology has a lot of features that I like the look of, like the photo and security camera one. The one thing that appealed to me was that I could build or buy almost any machine to run TrueNAS if the 24/7 server went bang, I wouldn’t be dependant on buying another Synology. Mind you, they seem very reliable from what I’ve heard.
Electric Eel version of TrueNAS Scale is amazingly good compared to almost any other release, though I’ve not put it into production as yet, but have tinkered.
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Synology needs to up their game before folks bail out on the brand due to the wimpy hardware. DSM won’t keep them above water forever if the hardware doesn’t keep up. As far as Synology focusing on enterprise.. I’ve worked the enterprise storage world for over 25 years.. (think EMC, Dell, Data Domain, Isilon, etc..) Synology is nowhere near that class and will not survive.
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a simple way I explain Synology and Qnap is that Synology is Nas market Apple, just works with good features and software, but are locked and expensive. Qnap you get a lot of hardware for the money compared, you can tweak it like an android phone and it is much more compatible with more brands of hardware.
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As far as I’m concerned, WD makes NAS’s… network attached storage devices. I have a perfectly functional EX4100 that does it’s job beautifully, which is to store data and nothing else ????.
SYNOLOGY makes all round servers that also have NAS functionality as an added bonus…
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My current Synology systems will be my last. I was a happy customer for many years with several servers but not any longer.
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If any of the brand wants to be in top they need two things 1 best hardware 2 adequate prices
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Synology is so far behind on the hardware side for consumers it’s sad.
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I think Synology is moving their consumer products to their Bee Station series. I’m still keeping an ear out with Eufy jumping on the consumer level Nas that will tie into their home security ecosystem.
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I like an idea of buying a used Mac mini m1 and use that as NAS. But I’m not sure how good is this idea
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This is the video I was waiting for. Would you also consider making a video on the process of transferring data from one brand to another? Also, excellent movie choices! C’mon! Network? The Room? That’s cinema gold. ????
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Not a turnkey solution like
Synology/DSM but Terramster’s hardware with Unraid OS makes for a compelling solution for some people.
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QNAP if you need Video surveillance and DIY NAS if you just need a place to storage data.
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With ZFS comming to some QNAP units, plus already onboarding Intel platform and no Intel with new Synology NAS’es, it is right time to say GOOD BYE SYNOLOGY ????
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Unifi Nas would be amazing.
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8:47 I came here to listen to you say Celeron. I am disappointed.
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This is like asking about alternatives to mosquitoes.
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I’m wondering if they are not simply adding a new application to the NVR Pro. That would make a lot of sense. The processor listed is identical to the NVR Pro, and the pic of the box is identical as well.
With Onvif coming to Protect, I’d be interested in this if I could use the NAS to backup an NVR Pro to it. I would not need a powerful processor. Not looking to replace my Synology NAS’s, and all the applications I run on them. I am looking to move my security to dedicated hardware. I was looking at the NVR/Pro, and found it does not seem to have the ability to natively send backups to a NAS in its current form. I saw a workaround sending RTSP feeds to another security system to record, but that’s not really a proper solution for back up.
I also wonder if it could run both at the same time on the same box. I have run storage and backups on the same box before, but it is a bad idea. Rather, a better solution would be to have two boxes, one running Protect, and the other NAS. In that case if the Protect box went down, you could convert the NAS to take it’s place while you get a replacement. Temporarily running them on the same box would allow time to build the system out instead of going all in at once.
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Will this be available for MS-A1
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White George Moore Mark Lewis Charles
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All of this is happening because Synology has completely fumbled the ball. Old hardware, high prices and worse software updates. Synology might not be scared on UGREEN but they better be scared of Ubiquiti…
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@NASCompares.
I had contact with Minisforum about the NAS card and they don’t know when or if they going to market it.
Could you maybe advise them to market it as I have interest in it?
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Hmm, Drobo died from complacency? Sure sounds similar to a certain Taiwanese NAS manufacturer starting with the letter “S” that is resting on its laurels while ignoring the home consumer market with underpowered and overpriced hardware while trying to chase the enterprise market as we speak.
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@NASCompares I need your help please.. I have a Netgear ReadyNAS Ultra 4, I havent accessed it in a few years. I recently had to reset the OS to be able to reset the password, but I cant seem to access the drive. Any idea how to access it? Im sure it doesnt have OS6, its probably much older. Anyways, I see the NAS on the network, when I click on it I get some odd error, and when I enter the IP I get a window that pops up and says no shares.. I KNOW the device has LOTS of files on it, but for the life of me I cant access them.. Any help would be greatly appreciated..
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anyone happen to know the DC jack size? for MS-01?
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Shiiittt. I need it????????????
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Maybe they’ll get into SANs
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Seems like an imperfect temporary solution when a redesigned and/or MS-02 variant might be better long-term.
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I expect them to make it a separate module with a addon case that screws onto the main body if they release it
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Why would you call a NAS model “Pro” and then not support ECC? RAID is so 1990’s, I have far to many ZFS volume to risk corrupting them. Devices like this don’t encourage me to move on from my old Enterprise gear.
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Seems to me anyone buying this system is not going to be satisfied with the installed OS. They shouldn’t have wasted any time, effort or money on the software.
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Interesting write performance issues on the NVMe over Thunderbolt. Could that be due to doing sync writes to the NVMe? Seems really consistent and would track with my experience. I do wonder if you used NVMe drives with PLP would the OS recognize that and enabe async writes? Also seems it’s something that could be fixed in software.
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Just an observation… your right cheek area seems swollen. Maybe an abscess tooth. May be worth having a doctor take a look.
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2:10 What’s that ESP32-C3 Supermini doing there on the M.2 board?
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Perfect example of what happens when hipsters try to get involved in a growing niche segment. Crappy crowdfunded products, crappy companies trying to sell you a glorified front end for an exist product, and on it goes. The enshitification has begun.
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Supported this for the Pro to use as either a virtualisation host or storage for multiple virtualisation hosts; I expected the latter due to the platform I use for it, but so far it’s seemed like I could do the virtualisation on there as well. Unfortunately I’ve only got the stock 16GB of RAM in there at the moment, but when I can get 64GB plan on getting it set up for full virtualisation to run various servers for LAN parties. Glad to hear the biggest limiting factors seem to be the OS, as even from the start I planned on scrapping that; the only downside I’ve hit so far is that the 10G chip isn’t supported in my hypervisor natively yet, so I’m having to work through that (or, I could just run it with that passed directly through to the VM I care about network speed on…either way)
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Why external psu? Why?!
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Went back to a Synology 5 bay…
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The UGreen NAS has better specs, design, and price. My DXP6800 & DXP8800 are still running great! ????
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Thanks for the video. Any updates on the UGREEN NAS that was supposed to launch to the public the 1st of July?
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Thanks for the video, waiting for ZIMA with unraid on it 🙂
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ZimaOS (and CASAOS) is INCREDIBLY limiting. This isn’t rocket science by any means in both cases it has been laid out for them by other companies in the space what should be included. The simple fact that at this point neither supports basic NAS functionality such as creating iSCSI volumes to then be mounted as a target by other machines is just inexcusable. One look at the OS of a Synology machine, a QNAP machine, TrueNAS, or OpenMedia Vault could have informed them of what is expected on a NAS. Since my device was delivered I have reworked it a bit switching to TrueNAS, replacing the CPU cooler. The stock cooler wasn’t even installed correctly someone forgot to peel the cold plate protector, and the Thermal paste wasn’t spread at all, just a blob which tells me the cooler wasn’t torqued down correctly. This lead to crazy high temps. I still need to address the fan intakes and exhaust, it needs more of both, and probably some fan exhaust holes drilled in the top and sides.
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Is it any surprise? What does an alcoholic soda company know about NAS units? (Is Zima even still a thing?)
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Love my pro. Yes I’ve tweaked the cooling and installed unraid.
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Can you add a graphic card to the PRO model? If so what GPU will work?
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I have tried everything and i keep going back to my custom built pc you just have way more choice than with anything else and way easier upgrades.
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I kinda wish yall made your own NAS… you’d be better than UGREEN
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Any decent mATX NAS cases coming out (4 – 8 bays)?
I’m doing my utmost to avoid giving Jonsbo hard earned cash for the N4, but see no better alternatives.
The new ‘Treasure Box PRO’ looked possibly good (8 bay all hot swap, SFX psu) but hard to find and very pricey at $200+ on Taobao
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1x10gbe and that noisy? Next
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Thank you for the video. One question, what is the file you are showing at time stamp 4:55? Is it something you can find on the system to read after unit is booted up? Where is it and what is the name?
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Been waiting a long time for this review
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Getting burned by Storaxa really cooled me off with crowdfunding – I could’ve jumped straight at the Zima campaign. So, glad I didn’t.
It’s easy to say the cooling can probably be fixed with a little tinkering, but this is a £1200 NAS!!!
Bullet dodged. One out of two ain’t bad.
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So far, the only consistent thing I’ve seen with the Zima Cube is that it’s inconsistent. (My Pro model arrived yesterday… and it’s failing to load all of my drives on boot, while also mounting a different assortment of drives each time.)
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I backed the pro version. That is actually how I found your channel since I wanted to know a little more about the product. I was looking at other Thunderbot NAS and this just fit my budget and aesthetics more than others. I like the hardware but I’m pretty bummed with the lack of software features. I though it would be a more simplified NAS UI since other options can seems daunting but it’s even more simple then I thought. I have been looking at changing OS to get me to where I wanted to be even if it’s a steep learning curve for me. I have one main question about owning this NAS now and wanting to switch the OS. How do I get the TB ports to play nice with other NAS OS? Are there any OS that work well with TB and can you talk about this (working or not working) if you do future videos with this NAS? Thank you.
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I recently got this zm pro
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Hey, you should take a look at the new 4 bay NAS from Aoostar, it seems awesome for the price if it doesn’t have weird flaws!
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Some units shipped with plastic still on the cpu cooler and atrocious paste application. (Like mine) your cpu temps make me think you might have one.
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Could you please tell me which command you used at 6:14 to output the PCIe lane linkspeed?:)
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Very interesting, though even this is outside of my needs/budget. The *constipation* in certain transfers is intreaging since that’s a often encountered limitation of the N100 machines. Even with those it’s not clear if it’s the raw PCIe lanes, some switching/multiplexing chip(s), the cpu itself or thermal throttling somewhere. IIRC even your review of the X86-P5 plus 4M2 noticed some weird slow downs on M2->M2 copies. Like it would have been faster to copy to another machine and back again.
However it is good they got a functioning product out the door, given even I can recall 2 crowd funded devices that evaporated (and I’m not super into NAS).
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Can’t wait to see you throw TrueNAS on it
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L1Techs has some great commentary on using Point to Point Thunderbolt connections, their blessings and their shortcomings. Much of the issues you observed are probably outside of Icewhale’s control, although they definitely can do some tuning. I’ve been playing around with two Proxmox nodes using P2P Thunderbolt as a cluster network, and it took quite a bit of tuning on the interface config to get it performant and stable, and even then, performance is a far cry from the advertised link speeds. In the end, I was able to get around 8-9 Gbit/sec reliably after kernel driver config tweaks and setting some massive jumbo frames with an MTU of 65520. Running at a bog standard 1500 MTU, I saw performance much closer to what you were getting. Also worth noting that none of these tests included a Windows client, both clients were running PVE’s Debian-based distro.
All that said, the Linux Thunderbolt networking drivers from Intel aren’t getting a lot of love, so even though there are some tuning options on both client and host that can be done, some of this is going to require some uplift from Intel and the OSS community. Until we see that, I doubt we’re gonna see much more stable connections for Linux storage appliances over TB4.
I do have some curiosity if your writes are also not bottlenecked by some SMB multichannel shenanigans. Hard to know how that’s all configured on ZimaOS without mucking about in the file system, certainly easier to tune on a different NAS OS platform, and it’s wholly possible that the Windows clients are not appropriately seeing SMB multichannel support over the TB4 interface, or that they’re self-selecting to not use it. Would be worth validating whether you see similar write performance issues with a simple file share between your two test machines over TB4.
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The System needs definitly a change in cooling. I updated the fans at the back to a pair of thicker noctuas and the cpu-cooler with a thermalright fan (something that can thread through the backplane…) and it became silent.
And I changed the OS to TrueNAS.
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after the sketchy mislabelled cpus of their cyberpunk style boards & how they handled that issue, i felt i no longer could support this company. glad i did not back this one, which was their next campaign. jonsbo it is.
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Still waiting on the creator version, i expected a dumpster fire of a product when I saw your title but it’s a little clickbaity. Would love to see apples to apples tests. Really hope the purchase is worth my while.
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Thanks for your review, i did backed it to a pro version – and yes there are some “overstatements” from icewhale on this product especially in area of cooling for sure, amount of noise… as well. im currently playing with original OS… but i unfortunately expect that once ill have some time and move to “normal” nas … this product will fly…
there are number of bugs that are coming out and ‘are to be fixed’ like ssds not always showing in the interface … deal breaker… no… anoyance… yes.
did they delver all of their promises i think … no… but is it a great product… firm YES from me 🙂
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So, keeping it positive, it is still work-in-progress.
Too bad these things weren’t caught or addressed prior to release.
If I were a backer, and not that technical inclined to tear it apart and do some mods myself (there are plenty floating around on the internet with various levels of success) I would be genuinely upset.
With crowdfunding, I believe, it is never a good idea to overpromise.
But then I’m not a firm believer in any crowdfunding, sorry.
I rather do a DYI and have more control over the various (technical) aspects.
I do wholeheartedly hope they do get all matters sorted soonest!
Looking forward to part 2 of this developing (pun intended) story …..
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The rear fans look like slim ones will that make it loud.
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Pro-Backer here. There are a number of adjustments that can be made to the case/cooling components that turn this into a great unit. Swapping the fan to a thermalright axp90-47 and doing a full thermal compound swap brings the temps within stable ranges.
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This would be nice as a case only but the N5 is going to eat it’s lunch.
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Any updates on the N5 from Jonsbo?
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My 4 month old unit crashed on an update and I lost everything. Luckily I had other backups. I’m glad they went bang their help desk was next to useless.
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21:00 The power supply went out on my 5D recently and I managed to jerry rig one myself. The brick isn’t anything specially, it’s just a 120 watt 12 volt unit but the the connector is the problem. Instead of using the standard size 5.5mm connector that you commonly see on 12 volt bricks, the plug they used is a larger size. Electrically, it’s no different, so I chopped the wire off the dead Drobo power supply and wired that into a new 120 watt 12 volt power supply and got my 5D up and running.
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I use my Drobos on a PC so fortunately haven’t had any problem with the Drobo management software (yet), Microsoft hasn’t gone nuclear like Apple has.
Since they announced going out of business, I’ve been buying up working 5D anytime I see them for cheap on the resell market just to have around in case I need them. I had to retire my 5D3 because it would be almost impossible to get another unit if it failed, I don’t see them that often and when I do, they’re never cheap or reasonably priced. There are much more 5D units out there than there are 5D3’s. I kept my 5D units running because I have spares and they still worked fine under Windows.
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Interesting that a company like StorCentric forms out of nowhere in 2018, then gobbles up a bunch of storage brands and goes bankrupt a few years later. They either chewed off more than they could in that short of a time or could be planned demolition.
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I am not convinced because of m.2 speed reduction. Spliting / converting existing one M.2 x4 gen 4 into two m.2 x4 gen 3 with raid function seems to me more resonable. Another interesting option would be a m.2 card with raid function for two NVMe disk gen4 placed into PCIe gen 4 x16 wired x8 of the computer… And additional external graphic card dock like in MS-A1 makes it a great workstation.
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SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
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this seems to be great idea, minisforum good job. hope it will release the retail version soon❤
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I have to have this.
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Interesting unit but heat is going to be a massive issue. Nice modular idea though with the addition card!
If I install unraid on my pc, is it a partition or does it replace windows? I really like the look of it 🙂
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I’d rather have 2x PCIe/4 or 4x PCIe4/2 M.2 devices in the PCI slot. An extra 2x pair of PCIe4/4 devices would be excellent. That would provide 1x PCIe3/2, 1x PCIe3/4 and 3x PCIe4/4 all up. I think there are some cards available, but it would be excellent if Minisforum sold or at least sanctioned a particular brand(s).
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I want one. Excellent post as always.
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Oh. please Minisforum, do a MS-02 computer with 6 M2 PCI express 4.0 slots ????????
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Oh yeah
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idk they can try the next gen by adding 10-30mm thicker to add that with cooling
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would be interesting if they could make it “standard” with proper cooling and keeping the noise down… and ditch the U.2 thing which isn’t useful for most
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I could see an alternate side case panel with thermal pads as a cooling solution for the 6 drive prototype.
Maybe some sort of larger passive heat sync panel.
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Amazon has some laptop copper plates for laptop nvme drives that come with very thin thermal pads. I have used them with good results in my sff/laptop upgrade.
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Is the Intel 13900H CPU (used in this device) subject to the same oxidation, stability, and degradation problems of the 13th and 14th Gen desktop counterparts?
So many people are having problems with those CPUs, and I really can’t afford to risk having an unstable or degrading system (not to mention all the hassle of struggling to get an RMA).
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Your voice sounds like David Williams of little Britain…imagine David reviewing tech ey.
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No not intel Fail 7 & fail 9 ???????????????????????????? Intel Ring Bus Flaw ???????????? ….. do in an AMD Version ill buy it
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Swap the single drive to the PCIe 3.0×4 and the 4 drives over to the 4.0×4
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Wouldn’t it make more sense to release a separate version that’s designed for the additional M.2 slots and larger case to fit adequate cooling? They already have all the main components working, so it’s just a matter of putting it all in a slightly larger case.
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Thank you…..
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I don’t think it would hurt if they sold it with an alternative cover that’s raised a bit and can accomodate the active cooler and the heatsinks for the drives themselves. It would still remain pretty small.
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Now they should make a rackmount version of thus, would be amazing
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So cool
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Im very keen if they can get a finished product out. This has a lot of potential in a few markets including business IT.
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This needs to make it to retail as I’ll be in
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LoL that “intel statement doesn’t age well” made me laugh!
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YES please small form factor NAS is what we all want
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I love that Minisforum is experimenting in the consumer space like this.
If the cooling is critical, I wouldn’t mind his as like an add-on hump to the case, or a small extension to the case.
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Does it use cpu-based bifurcation? Do you need special bios for that to work?
If it is on a stock bios – I’m sure even if they’ll not sell it I’ll be able to trace something similar
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What i’d love to see someone do is make a reasonable priced PCIE card that has a PLX chip to take 8 PCIE 4.0 lanes, and turns them into 16×3.0 lanes, then have 8 slots, 4 on the front, 4 on the back with an old school blower GPU like fan and heatsinks that cools both sides, automatically bifurcate between 8 SSDS getting 2x, and 4 SSDs getting 4x
To be clear, i dont want it to be a hardware raid card, but rather more like a USB-hub for PCIe
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Currently designing my own NAS, and here’s what I would love. Icy Dock has 12 x m.2 SATA, and pairing it with a low profile Raid Expander card, gives me 24 drives. I’d love to see a similar product, that is 12 x m.2 sata with a 12 port pcie switch. Then you could put 12 drives, no drivers, and a m.2 slot gives you 12 drives. There is also dual mode expanders that could support it.
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I love the idea, but the lane layout is a killer for me. Sure, for a NAS with 2x10GbE this is ok, but I also use a faster nic, as you do. The original configuration with 3.0×2 for OS, 3.0×4 for M.2 and the big slot for heavy duty seems to be the sweet spot for this machine. Splitting the 3.0×4 in half for same speed redundant os drives would have been nice though.
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I am in for one for my MS-01 if they also offer a better cooling to go along.. Or even a way to increase the height of the basis with a standup. I don’t mind few extra cm of height
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amazing. pls release it
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if they release that in a polished version (ie with cooling) they will officially do more than assus for their customers.
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This would be fucking incredible. I just got my first and second MS-01 a few days ago. I am planning on buying more, and turning one of them into a NAS is very appealing.
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Yes!!!!!
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Maybe they should make a MS-02 specifically designed for this use case. Although I see potential in this approach, it will always be sub optimal, I think.
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I think it shows an awesome company who listen. Even if it comes to nothing, they get credit for trying.
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Firstly…. what is that table mat with all the writing on… and where did you get it.
Second….. interesting idea, but i wonder if they would be better off designing a card for the PCIe slot that had more than 4 m.2 connectors.
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Just print a fan bracket on it and put a large fan on it and connect it with USB? We should just get more PCIe lanes without needing to resort to large expensive servers.
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Nice one MinisForum! Nice to know that there are companies out there that are paying attention to their customers and willing to try and innovate. Now this as pointed out may never become a purchasable product, but I’ll bet dollars to donuts that MinisForum will probably use what’s learn here for some future product that fits the bill.
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The card is good, but you know what would be better?
That’s right, a design of mini PC that is dedicated for micro NAS or micro hyperconverged machine.
It could be a bit bigger than the MS-01 in height, but with the following improvement:
proper ventilation for stuff inside as the ms-01 can overheat
More m.2 ports (let’s say 6+)
space for sata drives 2.5″ (or u2)
good ventilation for drives too.
2x10GB sfp + just like on current ms-01
usb 4 + thunderbolt.
at least 13900HX or 7945HX
4 sodimm ports (yeah we could finally have 192GB of RAM).
SAS 8088 or newer for external expandability.
That should be barely more expensive than the ms-01 to build but give a lot more options and can be an all in one mini server for a lot of people.
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Could you also test Networking over Thunderbolt please? The MS-01 has two TB Ports that can be used for Thunderbolt networking (each with abbout 25Gbit/s performance).
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You will not get 40Gbit/s over an external thunderbolt pcie box.
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600th thumbs up
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Would be nice if Minisforum would make the MS-01 to use a low-profile graphics card like ARC A380 so something different
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Found this by YT randomly suggesting it to me, and I’m kinda surprised they went with the splitting of the M.2 slots the way they did.
I was expecting something like going from 3.0 x4 + 3.0 x4 + 4.0 x4 to 3.0 x2/x2 + 3.0 x2/x2 + 4.0 x2/x2, instead of 3.0 x4 + 3.0 x1/x1/x1/x1 + 4.0 x4. But I guess they might be a bit limited in how they can handle the multiplexing of lanes so went with using a multiplexer for just the one mobo slot’s lanes instead of trying to multiplex all 3 slots.
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Will it work with the MS A1 I’m really getting rid of all Intel items and do not want or trust any of them after all the issues I’ve had with my 13900K 4090 Gaming rig ????
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I would pay for a chassis extension/exoansion to make it larger overall, slot the unit into but allows you to add more to the additional area. Unsure if that would make it taller, or wider.
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Hope Minisforum keeps up with this to compete with the Asustor unit. Maybe, model MS-02N, balance the PCIe lane distribution and make it 6x PCIe4x2. I’ll be waiting in that line.
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Thank you. I’m only an enthusiastic amateur, who plays round with stuff like this for mental exercise. Your videos really help me, both with awareness of the hardware out there, and with ideas.. All the disclaimers with this board are noted … but it’s so interesting!
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IntelGate..
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Love it… Hope it turns into a retail item
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How many more drives can fit in that pcie slot?
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This is so funny. I literally mailed them July 25th that was looking forward if they developed a NAS bare one system and I have a MS-01 13900h barebone and ordered a MS-A1 barebone.
I really hope they will produce and sell it.
The MS-01 would be my NAS then and the MS-A1 will be my new Home lab mini PC.
Don’t know if you have the Lexar NM790 4TB SSD in house.
If so is it possible to benchmark and test real life data transfer on it.
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I picture proxmox with ceph running on this and being really useful.
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I still say they should have made the chassis taller (and maybe even longer), cooling would have been so much easier if was 2U sized and they maybe could have stuck a fan on the expansion card (and 2210 drives could have been an option). Still really neat to see they are working on something like this, guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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MS-02? 10mm thicker?
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I fuckin cant wait for this……… and then if and when HexOS comes out.. and we put that in there….. thats starting to look tasty
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Funny realization. Manufacturers moving to the right direction. My way is am5 mobo with bifurcation card (+4 full speed nvme up to pcie5). And there is not very expensive card – Sabrent PC-P3X4 based on ASMedia ASM2812X – with cards like that you only need 1 pcie x4 slot for 4 drives, not very fast, but simple way to expand nvme storage
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0:57 who is “MSI forum” and why they were watching that video?
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The perfect system:
1.A small form factor system …maybe a bit bigger(for cooling) and the amazing bit of Tech inside????????????????????????????????????????
2.An upgradable processor….highly unlikely-but one can wish(AMD…as Intel CPU’s are “going up in flames”????????????)….or something that will have enough PCIe lanes for:
3. 1 -2 * 100GbE QSFP ports…for fiber or DAC.
4. Out-of-band management port &
5. a 10GbE Ethernet port….because not everyone will be using a MikroTic CRS504-4XQ-IN(4*100GbE) or CRS520-4XS-16XQ-RM(16*100GbE) switches.
6. 8 to 16 * M.2 NVMe cards 2280….(Microchip Switchtec PCIe Gen5/Gen4 switch)….please don’t use Broadcom????????????????…..(an optional model…will make the device even larger/longer: have it where the front of the machine has removable trays, if a drive is failing, you don’t have to open the unit).
7. And the ability to add 1-2 Intel Flex 170 Subscription Free GPU Accelerated VDI (1*Flex 170 And 1* Nvidia RTX 4000 SFF ADA)????????????….because…Why Not.????????????
8. Dual power supplies(this will increase the physical foot-print)….so 1 * 800-1,800 Watt power supply(CPU, Dual 100GbE QSFP ports, 1GbE management port, 10GbE Ethernet port, 16*M.2 2280 NVMe ports, Dual 200watt Max GPUs)
9. The hardware option of having an M.2*2230 to have ISOs(so the Out of band management can have access and load whatever it needs), I know someone will say “why not add a MicroSD card as well”.
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The first (and much deserved) Rob pcb add-on. Wheres the seagull logo? That monster of a cpu will take anything you throw at it. MinisForum can go crazy in that box.
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Tbh I hope this makes it to market. I could see a lot of niche uses for a system like this.
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I wish they’d give it ECC memory (or at the very least, inband ECC), and more space for taller U.2 drives. Bonus points if they’d allow *two* U.2 drives.
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Fully saturation of the network would be 2*sfp25 mikrotek has the perfect switch for it so ceph ssd osd would benperfect ????
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I’ll want one too
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I do hope this ends up getting released as this finally pushed me to buy an MS-01! Have been looking for a small home server that can do 10gbe, 5+ NVME SSDs, and was more flexible than the Flashstor.
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Bonkers. Great video. Thanks!
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You tried testing the 40Gb interfaces on Linux by any chance?
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Cool! nice of them to share.
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I’m glad they are working on things like this. This is what customers want. As long as the lane can saturate 10Gb, I’m all for it although PCIE4 x1 would have been nice. Please make this with large slim fan on top. And please don’t get rid of 12600 option as that is more than enough for NAS storage machine and runs a lot cooler than that 13900.
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Nice, on my want list.
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I would love to see a version of this with the pci-e 4 m.2 slot split out instead, or even better split both the pci-e 3 (split to 2 X -> pci-e 3 by 2) and pci-e 4 (split to 4 pci-e 4×1) m.2 slots, that would give a nice even 2G per nvme on the card and give you a bonus pci-3 3×1 m.2
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maybe if the expansion card is finalised they’ll sell it with a new outer case to make space for the cooling fan?
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Yes please, I want one ????
Edit: actually that layout seems to work; use the one leveraging the u.2 as the os drive, and the other for a raidz1 array. Thinking truenas scale with containers.
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I know some will complain about the PCI arrangement but it makes a lot of sense for Truenas or Unraid. You can buy a superfast NVME and put it in the PCIE4x4 slot and make it a cache drive
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Even this doesn’t pan out : they can still use that knowledge to make one works for the next model.
Any brand that try to innovate for their customer is good.
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you could 3d print a one inch gasket/spacer to allow for the fan and cover. I hope it makes it to market, since it will give asustore some competition.
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and why would we want to ruin our $1600 CAD computer???? the reason i say ruin is because to turn it onto a nas you need to change the os and still buy 6 drives…….and the lil board you are reviewing…….so that makes it into $3k at least by the time its finished………you can buy a nas from one the popular nas makers for way less and you get more functionality
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I’m interested on this for the same purpose, but, instead of this convoluted way, just adding a nvme adapter on the pcie slot.
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Very cool card! 🙂 Nothing for me personally but still very cool! The by faaaar most disliked part of the MS-01 is the I226-LM and the bugs with DHCP/vPro and how it blocks one for using that port for DHCP server like in a software firewall.. :'( But if i understood it correctly it’s not Minisforum’s fault.
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Please measure fan noise on the next video.
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Personally, id just invest in a large enterprise u.2 drive over this card with a bunch of NVMe drives, but it’s a really cool solution nonetheless.
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My guess is that this really is a prototype and we’ll most likely see an actual product like this in the next version of the MS-01 (perhaps an MS-02 that doesn’t use a Raptor Lake processor?). Who knows what processor that will use, maybe the Core Ultra 9 285K? Ummm… if Arrow Lake doesn’t turn out to have the same degradation problems as Raptor Lake. The MS-01 is an I/O monster, it’s too bad that the MS-A1 isn’t.
There’s a bunch of reasons for this, not the least of them being that once they start adding this many M.2 NVME slots, they really need either more PCIE lanes or faster gen5 lanes or both (the Ultra 9 285 has 20x PCIE5 lanes). Plus, by designing an MS-02 with this sort of daughter card in mind from the beginning, they can also upgrade the 2x SFP+ ports to a single QSFP port (100Gbps!), the NICs to 10GiB, and they can take more creative license in squeezing cooling into the case. A slightly taller case that accommodates the extra cooling, might also allow us to fit a double width PCIE card inside a well, so added bonus?
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of an expansion option for SSD storage, it’s really encouraging to see a company build a thing like this at all! Minisforum likes to push the envelope and that’s great for us.
There’s also the small issue of seeing how well their NVME-to-Oculink adapter holds up to real world usage, we won’t be privy to failure rates on that, but it will surely color whether we see similar daughter card designs in the future. I hope we do see a multi-SSD daughter card soon, but I wouldn’t pin too much hope on seeing many upgrade products made for systems that use 13/14th gen processors.
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Maybe they’d be better off making a product from the ground up designed to have multiple drives. Kinda like the ssd nas from ugreen/asus/qnap but without the OS.
That would work much better than kludging this card to an existing device.
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Hey, that would be great. I love my little MS-01. Mine is a Blue Iris Server, and with my limited cameras, Reolink 8k Its doing ok without a GPU.
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MSI Forum 🙂
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this card is dumb
It reduces bandwidth to the SSD’s, can’t use it with the cover on, no cooling for the SSD’s
You’re better off just getting a PCIE card with a PCIE switch and two M.2 slots on it and just using the existing M.2 slots from the factory
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If they had released this machine 4 or more slots initially I wouldn’t have bought the UGreen version.
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can this work on the AMD version?
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The coolest thing is that Minisforum shows interest in the desires of its customers, this is very commendable. Previously, I don’t remember such responsiveness from large brands.
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That’s awesome, I hope that it does make it down to retail, or if they don’t, just be real bros to the tinkering community and release the schematics and BIOS changes for it. I do think the cooling is a problem that’ll be hard to overcome in this gen, but hope, at the very least, the next generation of the design is comfortable with this kind of expansion and giving just a little bit larger dimensions for compatibility and cooling.
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Air jet mini would be cool to replace the fan
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YES, more of this. Even if this prototype does not pan out (and I have my doubts about cooling), making a mini PC with a ton of m.2 slots (with proper cooling) is 1000% something we want
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I see they are coming for the QNAP nvme system. If the Ms-01 does thunderbolt to thunderbolt then this is a GAME CHANGER for a lower price.
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They should make a motherboard version out of the ms01 configuration
This in a jonsbo n5 would allow a full lenght gpu on top of hdd with a m.2 to sata adapter would be great
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Just keep the speed of the card to pcie 3.0 they need way less cooling and is fast enough for any LAN connection.Even SATA M.2 are fast enough.
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When Dr. Frankenstein’s creature was bolted together, things did not turn out especially well. Maybe Minisforum should rethink this addition to/conversion of the MS-01 and start building the MS-02. The same size box — more or less — in width and depth, but a bit thicker, to take a wider PCIe card in its internal slot, and with an OCuLink interface, like their AMD-based macine has.
Since the MS-01 is already thicker that one rack unit, a 2U sized machine wouldn’t be a major mounting hindrance. Indeed, I think Minisforum should offer a side-by-side 2U 2-unit rack mount kit for the machine.
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Please release it Minisforum!!
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Is that Intel issue affecting the mobile chip in this too? I’ve heard conflicting reports.
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Mate see how many of us appericated your review!!
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great idea, it just might push me to buy ms01
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I’ve seen it before on another YT channel.
Kudos for Minisforum for designing something quite creatively.
Eventhough it might have some limitations and perhaps issues that still need to be overcome.
Minisforum is really trying to move mountains (in a positive way!).
If they can get the cooling solved in a solid way (thicker cooling pads stacked on top of all the M.2’s?) it could be a desirable solution for some.
As for the BDOD, you’re sure you have removed the CrowdStruck drivers? (joke!)
Looking forward to part 2!
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I don’t think anybody needs 40Gb, I”m having enough trouble trying to 2.5Gb running, as well as a bit of 10Gb. I have several mini pcs running Windows Server, but most USB adapters for 2.5Gb use Realtek chips, and don’t work fantastic with Windows 10/11, let alone server OS. 40Gb is a different connector, different switch, pretty expensive cables, and complete overkill for home use. SFP fibre or DAC, and cards (770 intel) are just affordable and readily available. No laptop and no desktop come with 10Gb, ,let alone 40Gb.
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Was literally a few days away from pulling the trigger on i5 13500 for one of those cwwk bords, then the hole intel meltdown got eposed. So not touching intel woth a red hot firepoker even if the transcoding is better on intel then on amd. So not interested in ANY intel cpu products
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Looks good but I would love to see a more balanced speed across all the connectors
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since they’ll need extra cooling anyway they should make this as a whole module that extends the case vertically. maybe with some extra ports or other functionality if that fits alongside a nice big fan and the nvme expansion.
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and oculink please
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yes, yes, yes, do it
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They have the Network Video Recorder and Network Video Recorder Pro that are already pretty much RAID NAS. They just need a software update.
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Had a 5 drive one I think. One drive failed and while Drobo was busy adjusting to this it went poopy in it’s trousers. An amazing coincidence that 2 drives failed within hours of each other – I think not!
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Some pics of the UNAS-Pro.
From Taiwan NCC certification
https://nccmember.ncc.gov.tw/Application/FUN/FUN016_JPG.aspx?fileid=BmaxyzI95d8%3d
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Thks a lot buts where’s Eddie?
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I am actually more annoyed that they are doing a nas system. They need to stay on their lane and develop their switch and wifi range better instead of going on side quests like cameras and NAS devices.
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Is there some software or OS you can install on a server to turn it into a nas?
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https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=Y&application_id=qkDUs%2Fe7pIac7WyObDTZAg%3D%3D&fcc_id=SWX-UNASP
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Look at this in Google: FCC ID SWX-UNASP
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The infrastructure for them to pull the lever for charging has been in place for a long time. We’ve had to activate ABB since its inception. Great video, fellas!
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Red is not a backup, but they expect these things to keep their data safe and a lot of case people put their only copy of their data it, which is their own fault if the unit fails I dislike single Bay units for people who have basic computer knowledge
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This is why ugreen makes sense to enter the nas market. Synology moves to enterprise leaving a massive hole.
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This was great! More please!
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I think the relatively recent purchase and increases in cost of VMware by Broadcom might have some lessons in this space as well as I understand that the smaller to medium companies are looking for cheaper and open source alternatives like Proxmox.
Large enterprises – will just swallow the cost. However it will be a mammoth task for Synology to break into this space of established players with a solid track record. Not to forget to mention it will take many years if not a decade to crack into the enterprise space. Synology will also have to offer some kind of differentiation for people to take a risk. Remember the old saying that no one gets fired for buying Microsoft- despite the huge licensing costs.
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I’m pleased to see that others also see AI in everything as a marketing hype phenomenon. If companies don’t have something new and are able to slap AI into the product name, they’re falling behind. And so, they have to scramble to have the current buzz word, AI, injected into new products.
Secondly, I agree with Rob’s summation about the home space portfolio. If nothing new is forthcoming soon, it could auger a definite shift away from the home sector. If Synology go that route they will alienate their massive home/SMB user base and eventually lose them.
Nvidia and AMD have done similar pivots toward the Enterprise space due to the lure of massive profits. I hope Synology remembers its roots and what made them great.
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Synology has abandond their consumer and prosumer market IMO.
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Yes it is going that way.
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What you showed in your trip to cimputex was peta byte servers and surveillance technology that very large businesses and governments would use, not home guy YouTuber family man with a disk station.
When you showed that couple weeks ago I gave up waiting for new DS model and started studying zfs and truenas scale so I can build my own next step.
I love my disk station and Synology OS but…. Well…. The writing is on the wall.
Seeing all my favorite YouTubers on this topic in one video is awesome. Love you all.
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I am curious to know, as a new user to the Nas systems ….
Would it be a good idea for me to invest in purchasing an 1821+ and populating it with 8 × 22 tb ironwolf hard drives, 64 gb Ram Memory, upgrading to the 10 gig port, and using both the m.2 slots for caching?
Primary use, media / Plex
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Synology have already abandoned SOHO/SMB users …..The DS+ series is ancient, they are trying to force their stupid overpriced HDD’s on people and they are relying way too much on DSM to keep their customers but are not getting new customers at the same rate. And as to their foolish enterprise foray they are only a small company that has no hope competing with Dell in the enterprise storage market because they have essentially zero existing relationships with enterprise customers. This video looked to me like 4 guys fence sitting and avoiding saying the obvious because they don’t want to offend Synology …Synology is going downhill chasing a enterprise fantasy that will never happen and is already failing to keep its DSM user base updated with devices that are on a par with competitors. I suspect the winners here are going to be Qnap and Asustor ….
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Blimey, the great and good of NAS systems all together. You guy are fantastic, thank you for your perspective and professionalism. You’re all teaching me loads. Thank you.
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I feel like this video was more oriented towards business/enterprise features/needs than I’d like and focusing too much to not offend anyone. I thought guys would explore more on what prosumer/home users expect and where is the demand not being met. Remember the last good NAS was DS920+ and even then it was really outdated minor iteration. DS923+ is a miss without transcoding and DS423+ is yet another minor iteration of outdated HW. We want that sweet UGreen HW with Synology SW and no limitations on HDDs/SSDs and finally some solid networking. Synoforum guy even admitted the outcries on the forums, but we were given explanation that Enterprise probably needs focus and time. This is not just one cycle where we are waiting, this is multiple cycles of minor iterations. People will just buy UGreen with TrueNAS Scale or figure easy to run Xpenology. Honestly who cares about Active Backup for Business? It’s nice to have, but it ends there.
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They dont even know how to safely package a dozen harddisks. They are nowhere near “enterprise”.
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That bird tho…
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Great episode. I found all of you years ago when I was looking for a NAS. I hope you’ll do a regular gang conversation.
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I love these videos. Like others have said it’s the normal people I watch for my NAS content. That being said, all Synology has to do is release a 4,6,8 bay NAS with a solid CPU bump (graphics enabled)2.5 Gb nic update problem solved.
I am one of those admins to at brought Synology into my company dies to the fact I have years of working with it at home and now I am looking at replacing my unit with Ugreen or something else. Synology at my home is going a direction that is different from my home needs.
I will say if it wasn’t for the fact I had Synology at home my company would have went a totally different direction when it came to our storage needs.
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Quite a surprise to hear that Synology is selling to enthusiasts. It is totally the opposite. Their audience is those who just do not want to learn at all. It is no brainer to see that there is no other reason to sell units with outdated CPUs without integrated GPU and promote their own drives and SSDs, stripping the units from USB external devices support THAN making fools of the clients to earn the big buck. It took me one month from understanding this fact to building a DIY TrueNAS unit for 700USD for which Synology even doesn’t have any comparable product in their line.
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What do you guys think: are the 224+, 423+, 723+, 923+, 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ the last home/small business Synology NAS’es permanently?
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Yes they are. Unfortunately the margins are greater, though expectations are far higher.
If they don’t land enterprise which is so bloody hard with players so much more experienced then Synology, then will find there the home market have moved on.
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I’m no Synology guy but from the looks of it, Synology is less focused onto the enthusiast’s roam, the number of “competitors” in the arena, all but one could argue how comparable these currently truly are, is growing by the day. Clearly Synology wants to aim for the enterprise, as there is the recurring revenue, customer-buy-in exists. Next to subscriptions (read: you do not own anything anymore) and possible usage-credits.
Let’s not forget, the only thing speaking for Synology is their DSM, thus software. Something that another competitor can gradually improve upon too. Synology’s hardware is not that impressive. Especially when comparing to the several other vendors.
DSM is great when you’re not technical, but very limiting when you are more technical inclined.
It should be clear by now that Synology is changing direction, hopefully that won’t be forgetting the SoHO or the enthusiast.
If Synology is not anouncing anything hardware or software in those areas within the next few months, the message should be clear.
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Come on, was synology ever true enterprise?
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Synology is still too old-fashioned. Even the BeeStation is just a failed attempt to bring a breath of fresh air into the matter: Fan too loud, hard disk much too loud, status LED cannot be switched off or dimmed and flashes annoyingly when the device is in standby. Why are such devices always significantly louder and slower than gaming laptops, for example? It would be so simple: a decent Intel chip with a laptop fan, combined with slow but reliable SSDs that don’t overheat so quickly. Sufficient space for large heat sinks is also important. Then add a laptop battery and a reliable power supply unit so that you don’t have to connect an extra UPS. I mean, every cheap laptop has more technology in it than that. And a lot of people would buy something like that because it’s much better to have your data encrypted and uploaded to the cloud from an extra device, for example… instead of having to wait forever for OneDrive, iCloud or Google Drive to do all this more or less unencrypted.
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God tier crossover✨
Concerning subject matter that has brought this together though! What would happen to enthusiast’s Syno’s if they did pull out of this market? Most of us buy these units to last a decade and over…would we be screwed?
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All we want is a new 8 bay DS model with decent cpu for transcoding and ditch the 1GbE ports for at least 2.5GbE.
Easy money for them, I would throw money at the screen right now!
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All of my favourite guys in one place.
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Would be great if Ubiquiti would allow me to use the HDD bays on the Dream Machine Pro as a simple NAS.
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Just as an addition for those interested, its FCC ID is “SWX-UNASP”.
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That NAS pro marketing material is old and in fact predates the UNVR pro. It’s essentially what became the UNVR pro. I even commented to this on the thread on Reddit.
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A NAS with 1GBE????
My main gripe is all their stuff comes with 1GBE including their dream walls, and other appliances! its 2024 seriously… I find it massively overpriced to get subpar speeds
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<3 unifi :) deffo want this!
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The amount of salt in this video made my blood pressure go up. ????
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show !!!!
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My first reaction when I got into the ecosystem was “how do they not have a NAS?!” So, awesome if true ????
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I would love to see a nas that can integrate in the eco system to easily off load protect footage vs using these cloud storage owned my someone else.
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I would love to see a unifi nas for all my data, docker and VMs ♡
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They best make existing drive-capable devices compatible with the nas app
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fix you website, disable ctrl+c and rightclick to force clicking on affiliate links?!
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The rack mount NAS looks like a repurposed UNVR
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heres hoping for unraid
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its just another product unifi will drop after a year of use.
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If it is anything like the UNVR I can only imagine how much of a half assed job they will do.
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needs to be super fast drives though
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Mate. The seaguil is lovely I never felt bother by them. In contrast, It is constant reminder to the audience that u an authentic loyal to ur background and what you said is always (I mean always) valuable to a large IT community.
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I thought there already was a UNAS (A NAS product from another company or a humanoid creature in SG-1) depending who you ask.
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I can’t say I am very excited about it. I don’t like their NVR system. It does not integrate with other vendors. I REQUIRE all of my infrastructure to use common protocols and not have their own special sauce. I do like their Switches and Access points though. In terms of NAS my go to has for many years been Synology but these days I am leaning more and more towards TrueNAS. Software matters more than a pretty enclosure.
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I’m curious if this would require a console that can run it. Like how you need to be able to run Protect, Talk, etc, I wonder if this will have that requirement. I’m interested in the desktop NAS from Ubiquiti, but if my UCGU has to be able to run whatever software is needed for it and that device can’t do it, I’d probably opt for Synology before I’d upgrade my Unifi gear.
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If true then it looks cool but based on a NVR-Pro. Honestly though, I wish Ubiquiti would slow their R&D for new products and just get the current products fully integrated to the extent they’ve spoken about. For example, they’ve officially said that in a future update that the Intercom Viewer will integrate with the G4 POE doorbell with POE chime – has this happened yet? Nope.
Personally I love their products however they need to just finish the things they’ve made public and then create new things. For a NAS solution, Synology is the go-to for rapid deployment in most SMB cases (QNAP if the HDD thing Synology did is an issue), I say this as there’s a hell of a lot of work to create a comparable NAS unless Ubiquiti were to either licence an OS from Synology or QNAP or unless they got permission to deploy TrueNAS (or a fork of it).
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If it is real – this is going to be storage only. It’s not going to run VMs and plex etc ????
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What do you do with all the NAS sat behind you on the shelves?
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How dumb, synology already has a big portion of the market as well as others
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Ubiquiti announced they made a new NVR with expandability. What are the chances that is what this rumor was about?
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I might be wrong here but wasnt there a SMB enable script for Dream devices posted on Github? Wonder if that trick still works.
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Will Synology come with new models this year?
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I’m very interested in this. I really enjoy playing with my home network, but I’m no IT or engineer so I just save files on a windows PC that’s pretty much always on and wired to the network. I hope these devices can also host the unifi controller so I don’t have to have the said PC running it anymore
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If they do a NAS I am suspecting that people will expect it to be an easy to use system that has the feature set of Truenas. That means they will need 25 gig switching.
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Can you please do a video on Use a Synology or QNAP NAS with UniFi. That is to use as storage for protect and back up?
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10G is no good for an SSD based NAS. That’s less than two SSD’s-worth of speed. It will be worse than local storage.
My target spec is 8 PCIE Gen4 x4 NVME slots, 4+ SATA, PCIE Gen 4 x16 slot for networking.
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As a unifi user at home, with almost all my networking gear on unifi… I dont really care for a unifi nas. I believe these products are so different that i dont know why it would be an advantage to have it… Unified.
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Yet they can’t release a udm pro that supports unifi aps with wifi 7. (2.5 gbe) nor sufficient processing to do 5gig IDP and vlan routing
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Looks like it’s an upgraded Alien Router, hopefully it’s going to offer 10Gbe and more overall.
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I appreciate all that you do and have done. Keep fighting.
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As a user who just changed their network over to Unfi to run ethernet throughout the house and who has NAS in the plan, I’m quite excited to see this video poop up in my feed. I hope it’s true and is a decent product. I’d definitely buy it if so.
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I wish Amazon would simply EOL that CPU/SoC, it is 12 years old now and should not be used in newly released products anymore. Ubiquiti needs to move onto something 2-3 generations newer finally.
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New products while the standard product range is barely in stock.. always a fine move
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I would rather see them bring in asked gor features to existing products than focusing on new products.
A 10Gb switch with 25Gb uplink would be great and optional upgrades for udm pro, se, promax for 25Gb uplink to switches would make more sense or optional upgrade to 25Gb WAN and bring unifi to med – large business.
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Probably going to be over priced for what you get like most of there products
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If the rack mount only has 6 bays.. that’s a bit… low? Especially since the rack mount version will probably cost a fair bit. If they could make it 3U (or 4U) and be able to fit the HDDs vertically instead, they should be able to fit at least 10
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Shhh, but normal Unifi “Coming Soon” applies, but as I have said many times they would do better just adding an App for the UNVR’s and Dream Devices
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How would authentication happen? I would assume SMB /FTP, but would it support their client that is used for network access/vpn functionality?
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The issue is what type of NAS user are they designing for?
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Where can I find that sweatshirt? Love it!
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Dang it! Now I need to put a hold on my Synology plans until this turns out to be real or not…
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Dang, my christmas list keeps getting longer……
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Im curious to know in what form and what features will have
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Interesting but I’m impatiently awaiting my UGreen 4800P+ – recently received an email from them to expect a query for shipping information! Getting closer… Now what RAM should I buy to expand it to 16TB and HDD 12TB? Already bought a 5 port 10Gbe router and cables plus a 10 Gbe PCIE card for my PC… Suggestions?
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I’m going to wait for the UNAS Pro Max Enterprise Fortress Ultra with Etherlight
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I can see unifi selling a nas solution as part of a way to “host” multi site networks. As well as being a secondary backup to the nvrs and the controllers.
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Why would they launch NAS? Because they want to sell it to you ofcourse!
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As someone who’s looking to run a UniFi network and so far has been looking at Synology for a NAS to go with it, this is very interesting. However, DSM is so far along, could Ubiquity really get all those ducks in a row, Photo App, Video Station, Plex support, Docker, etc, etc. I’m not sure they will go down the “open” road, and it’ll be more for basic file storage and a place to put UniFi camera footage.
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I personally like the Synology DSM solution. Very complete. However, you’re totally right: a NAS solution from Unifi would be different than others: simple to setup and will just work. Kinda like Protect. That would be sweet. Simple deployment. Central management. Synology DSM does have some business solutions built-in, like M365 and Backup for Business are great to have for a full business solution. I’m guessing UniFi won’t have that. At least not on their first version.
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from your leaked picture of the rackmount nas it looks the same as the UNVR-Pro (CCTV)
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I’d rather put TrueNas on it.
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As a Unifi user at work I honestly never asked for a Unifi NAS, they are a network and security system provider to me, if I want a server I go to Dell.
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I like unifi, but recommend steering clear from new product lines. Unifi unfortunately have a reputation of releasing buggy/incomplete products (from a software point of view) and I recommend leaving it to early adopters to iron out the issues.
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It really not. Well the Desktop is an Alien Router in white. Faceplam. That image is just an example of a NAS. for the diagrams… That shape can’t hold a HHD let alone 2 or 4… possibly SSDs.
There may be a Rack… Sysnology has 40+ designs and purchase levels.
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do you think you have enough nas servers? LOL and how hi is that tower on the left. arent you afraid it might fall over on you head?
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0:55 thanks for playing that music, I was trying to find a certain cartoon that played it for quite a while now
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If it can run UnRaid then I’m a buyer.
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I don’t trust them.
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Software?
guess: TrueNAS Scale with a simplified menu for beginners?
Or a homebrew OS based on Ubiquiti?
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Everything else I have right now is (mostly) Unifi, so… I’m waitin’ and watchin’.
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I can’t trust UNIFI. they under deliver or just plain change what they are doing at the drop of a hat post deployment. worse yet they have other that they promise and never deliver on. i’d trust a crowd funded no name at this point before i trust unif for NAS.
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Ubiquiti Networks UNVR-PRO UniFi Protect NVR Pro was one of the pics you showed. I would love them to create a nas but im not holding my breath. It would be nice though.
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Hmm, feels a wee bit a Me-too product to me but I’m not that into Ubiquiti eco-system, so I could be wrong.
My concern is that the specialist-knowledge required for NAS is more & more watered down by just everybody (pun intended) bringing out a NAS. (too)
If I was Ubiquiti, I would seek partnership instead with a industry-leading NAS company.
Feels like reinventing the round wheel and sliced-bread again, to me.
I know one thing for sure, it will be Ubiquiti pricing, so quire expensive…
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Anyone know where I can score that awesome sweatshirt?
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Great idea, however, my biggest concern would be about scalability and if you had to buy another unit, how they connect together to increase storage, iSCSI or fiber link etc and also the cost of both units.
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I’m two months into owning a Sonology and you bring this up ????
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I don’t understand why anyone with any interest or skill in technology would buy any of these overpriced and underpowered ready-made NAS’. I can understand if someone knows nothing about storage or technology just wants an easy plug and play storage device, but other than that it makes no sense.
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I’d buy the desktop version 10Gbe, Intel Cpu for Plex transcoding, VM’s maybe would be nice. The touch screen would be cool match my Amplifi Alien I’m still using which they also need to upgrade to Wifi 7.
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This has been one of the worst kept secrets. And it probably will include the same form factor and tech from the NVR Pro. That will make it cheaper to manufacture since they are already making this. Since the CPU and memory are fairly pedestrian ARM embedded chips that Unifi uses everywhere, I’m thinking the device will be limited to file service and related functions but don’t expect to be doing VMs or anything sophisticated. Whether they open APIs to run third party apps is anyone’s guess.
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I can’t trust Unifi with my Data. Nope! I rather trust Google it! ????
To many times has there been updates to unifi and it breaks everything. I’ll wait a few years like 10 years before trusting them
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Ubiquiti…finally 1gbps connectivity in a NAS!
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Would love to see more 10Gbps switches.
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Ubiquity just discontinued NAS after beta testing
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Dream Wall 2.5gbps w/built-in NAS.
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Interesting. I hope it’s more then a rumor. If it is in development one can also hope it steers clear of bloody Kickstarter and has wide availability. Having said that, ARM isn’t my preference. Sure Apple has done an outstanding job with their silicon and Windows on ARM via Snapdragon Cortex SoC is seemingly coming along nicely. However, server / NAS on ARM gives me the dry heaves.
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Just ordered the green 6 bay. Darn it.
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would be nice , but thing is i dont want rackmount ,
1. rackmounts are not easy to place in a small 2 room house
2. they are less mobile
3. i perfer a network setup with small devices like “Gateway Max”
i dont need that many ports, just a few, and thing is they only care for larger scale, while we are getting 8gb fiber internet soon, unify don’t make consumer products that are 2.5g or more
its a downside of unify
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FOR FECK SAKE !!!! 0:58 ALIGN THE DANG HDD CAGES EVENLY!!! this twisted shiz is horrible…
oh and if they make a NAS? yeah count me in if they price is decent and pref NO DISKS plz thx don’t wanna pay overprice for drives
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so if UniFi always breaks after updates, how are you going to trust their NAS?
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I didn’t see this one coming, but makes sense.
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Has anyone written a client to migrate from drobo to another platform???
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I can’t log into drobo on my mac right now, is there any way or software to do this?
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This is great, thanks.
I still have 2 Drobo units. A 5C and an B810n, both with lots of large drives. The 5C works very well. The B810n has started mis-behaving. Re-booting often and not mountable intermittently. Would be good to discuss ways of moving forward with you at some point?
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I had 3 Drobos, all the same. 5 bay Thunderbolt units on my Mac. They all lasted about 3.5 years before a sudden hardware fault.
The reason I kept buying new ones because they worked well when they worked and the encryption means the drives would only work in a Drobo and only if you put them in the correct order.
So it was less than ideal when my last one failed and I went to buy my 4th. Luckily I had other backups on alternative RAID boxes because I didn’t trust the Drobo.
Shame that no one has created a de-encryption program so I can use the data on these drives. I hope that they fix their issues and reappear with more reliable units that work with the new MacOS. I have kept the recently dead Drobo with the drives, just in case.
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Oh boy. My Drobo has served me well for 14 years. Hard to trust something different now.
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For superfast I/O, we need Thunderbolt 3/4 DAS devices. NAS is too slow, even 10Gig Copper.
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drobo had 16TB volume limit, whiich started to suck, now synology has 108 TB limit and they gonna repeat the same mistake if they dont do something about it
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what can we do now with the old hardware ? at least save the HD but they look not compatible with Synology NAS. Advices would be appreciated: thanks
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ANy drobo software links?
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6:20
What about using Zerotier? No need to do port-forwarding and you can add your ReadyNAS to a private network (it’s pretty much a VPN alternative) along with your computer/phone/tablet? 25 devices can be added for the Basic/Free account.
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I have DROBO a Drobo 5DT which is failing… or is it? My 2015 MBP sees it intermittently. It powers up and will randomly operate correctly. Usually it will power up and show up on Drobo Dashboard. Top right LED is red saying that it has no drives in it. I know the drives are still good. I have seen that there is a PC beyond raid program for PC that will recover your data if you remove the disks and connect them all up individually to the PC. Anyone tried this and did it actually work? I have about 10 TB of data I would eventually like to recover.
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I’ve probably posted this before, but has anyone ever tested a Drobo to see what happens when it fills up? I tested one of the 8 bay Drobos copying 2GB files into folders and then duplicating the folders until the Drobo would reach capacity back in 2009. The drives would fail in a way that all the data was lost. I did this multiple times. Each time it failed, even with a replacement Drobo.
Also, in the early Drobos, at least on the 4 bay devices, the write speed ended up being the average of the write speed of all 4 drives divided by the the number of drives! Essentially 1/4 the speed of the drives you put in to it. Now, hot swapping was NICE. It saved me a few times. But I was never able to put much more over 1/2 the total drive space onto the Drobo – nor did I have the inclination to do so, bearing in mind that I’d need another device with all of my data on it *when* the Drobo failed AND the time (1/4 total write speed of the AVERAGE of all of the drives) it would take to not only write the data but to copy it back once the Drobo failed. If I recall properly, once I had a 72 hour Drobo copy.
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Have a drobo 5Bay , with Single USB Connection . Have had it for over 7 Years . Currently 8 Tb , Was used with Mac , then become my main Linux Storage . Now Used with My Pi As a SMB NAS . So far all still good. I Use the Old Drobo Software whith Intel Mac , when formatting is needed or troubleshooting. But Over the years / PSU / Drive and Redundency has been Fine, For Cold Storage.
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No point in keeping a service active when the low user base doesn’t outweigh the costs and time to keep it up.
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WOW I AM IN AWE OF ALL THE EFFORT YOU WENT THROUGH TO SHARE THE DROBO HISTORY! I still have mine, still works, albeit no support. Sad about what went wrong, but amazed at how much did go right. This sure gets me nostalgic in a positive way. Thank you for sharing.
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Curtains ????
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Curtains ????
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Great help! I have been using a RN104 for over 10 years with 10tb raid setup, fortunately I was mid transfer to alternate devices. Third or fourth time I have been stung by Netgear now. I’m done with non-physical storage and like others, I am absolutely done with Netgear!!
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I have an Netgear RN31400, i cant log in at all to ready cloud anymore, found this video and can see why. We moved house and have a new internet connection etc and now have a different (LAN) how can i connect directly to pc or access my archived business files now? HELP 😉 I literally have a brick on my work desk now I have no idea how to access.
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What alternative is there for a DAS that has a similar “beyond Raid” tech? Anyone got a suggestion. I know there are lots of DAS systems but none that I can see that have hot swappable flexible raid that allows different sized hard drives…
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Alternative to Drobo D8????
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Has anyone figured out how to flash the firmware and giving it a new OS or something?
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I am not an industry professional by any means, but from what I’ve just been told, what went wrong was that hundreds of millions of people all simultaneously failed to point out that Apple was bricking everyone’s machines on purpose, and let them do whatever they wanted because their name brand is so trendy.
And everyone less overpaid than Apple suffered for it. Drobo users especially.
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I’ve had several Drobos since the Gen 2 and still have a couple. I had an Areca 8bay Thunderbolt 2 RAID and it corrupted twice. The only thing that saved the data was the Drobo that i had running Time Machine on it. Drobo had been great for me over the years, but didn’t provide the speed I needed for a NAS solution. I built a TrueNAS system, now just trying to figure out how i can afford the drives that I need to purchase all at once in order to replace the Drobo that i piecemealed over years.
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They lost my business!
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Today I’ve just brought a Drobo 800i off ebay for £80. I already have a Drobo 800i and a Drobo Pro. I have my Drobos Backed up to single 16TB drives just to be on the safe side. I’d love a standard networked NAS but the price puts me off. I will keep using my Drobo and hope somebody takes the company over and improves on them.
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“If you are on a Drobo, you’ve got to move on” (21:45) – These words mean more to me than you can ever imagine. I’ve had a Drobo 5N for the last 10+ years and it has served me very well. Recently I decided it’d be a good idea to build a new NAS (Terramaster F4-423 w/ 4x12GB drives) and move all the content from the Drobo to it. My plan was to repurpose the Drobo as an onsite backup to the new NAS, but less than a week after copying everything to the new NAS a Drobo alert popped up on my desktop indicating a Drive failed. Three minutes later I had another alert telling me the Drobo is in a critical state and no drives are present. I’ve researched the crap out of this but can’t get the Drobo back up and running. It just won’t detect the drives, or any other drives I put into it. I do not believe in coincidences, but I am so effing glad I got my new NAS up and running with ALL data copied over just days before the Drobo died.
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I’ve had a DROBO 5N for 5yrs with no issue until last month. I have 12TB if data that seems to be lost now. The Drobo has failed and shows a Red on fist bay only. Reset after removing drives and same issue. Bought two 5N Dr is off eBay and neither recognize my disc’s or even new disks and they are not found on the network. Does anyone know of any service that can help recover Drobo backups?
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“Covid put them in the ground”, yeah no covid boosted sales of any homespace reslated supplies, ESPECIALLY low-spec tech such as NAS’s used which were barely impacted by supply shortages at all.
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I have a 1st gen USB 2.0 only Drobo that I bought right after they came out in 2007-ish that I retired back around 2016 when I got the 5N2 which I still use today. For a prosumer or datahoarder or homelab user like me, I have loved both of them for just sitting there and doing their thing. The lights on the front is the absolute best feature because I can just look at it and tell if it is healthy or not. No other product in the price range has ever been the same. I never really used any of the DroboApps, I just used it as a simple NAS, and it did that excellently. Now I’m getting ready to migrate away from it to a different solution since I don’t know how long it’s going to keep working. My old one did suffer a power supply failure back around 2013 that I had to buy a new one for direct from Drobo. The Drobo Dashboard software was last officially supported on the Mac side on macOS Monterey, but apparently does work on Ventura for NAS devices only but not DAS devices. It also supports AFP even though that is now deprecated by Apple, it tends to work better when backing up older macOS versions using Time Machine. SMB sometimes is finnicky with Time Machine. This is one of the only computing hardware company stories in my life that actually brings a tear to my eye, especially since I have used and loved the product for so long. That little black box has been the center of my data-hoarding hobby for well over a decade now. It’s so sad that it’s going to have to be retired. In the spirit of the little black box I’ll probably replace it with a DIY NAS build using a Jonsbo N2 black case and TrueNAS. Perched on the shelf where the Drobo sits now. Hats off, Drobo. You’ll be missed.
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Well Thank for the video. Was completely blindsided with this news 🙁
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Hello, I have a question for several days I could not log in to my NETGEAR READYNAS 424 now I know that it could be due to the information you included in the video. But there is something even worse in a hurry I reset nasa by holding the reset button on the back and now I can’t run it boot stops on 98 % and what’s worse I’m afraid that I deleted all data. My question is, have I lost my drive forever and can it be restarted?
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this is sooo disturbing as I only just found out and i have found out the hard way. My drobo is refusong to power up, the power bank has a green light and there are no lights anywhere on this machine… I experience them as irrisponsible as they have people emails that are registered and could have sent themn emails warning them of their pending closuer and no support what so ever. I have several drives full of ,my photographic archive that I now need to figure out haw to salvage from their propertary software machine! ASny info would be truly helpful. thanks in advance if anyone knows what I can do or how to contact their support. There is no info on there page! This is total BS
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Have purchased many Netgear products over the years. For personal and a number of charities I support from an IT point of view. Often working remotely and running my own small print and design business… ReadyCloud was a solution I needed. I am very disappointed and quite annoyed by this. The lack of product post life support is frustrating to say the least. Without going off on a rant – the bottom line is that I will never support Netgear again with a purchase – personally or for any other organisations I support.
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OMG, I work remotely for weeks at a time, I could log in a few days ago but not today. I logged in via an icon on my desktop and never saw a warning. I am dead in the water until I return to my home base next week. Most of what you talked about as workarounds is way above my pay grade ????
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Isn’t there a possibilty to install different software on my ReadyNAS? There are plenty of freeware NAS OSes available. If i can install one of those on my ReadyNAS, at least my hardware can still be used?
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People were buying that hardware with their software for having their own storage and remote access with sharing. That’s fraud. They fooled me too :/
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lol, was just about to make an account
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A sad day for my Readynas526 the cloud service has now been disconnected…..
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What’s the recommendation for replacing a Drobo 5N?
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I am amazed that Apple didn’t buy them out of bankruptcy. Drobo has always been a very good product.
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Another good video. I have a 5D3 and looking to replace but having a hard time to end the right replacement. I have been waiting for the QNAP TS-464T4 but it does not seem to come out.
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what is the conversion rate for one “nikka”
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I know this was posted ages ago, but yeah… Going to have to look at a different storage solution. I LOVED every reason given. Pull drives, plug in bigger ones, it sorts itself out. Didn’t have to think of it. With the desktop app, I’m informed of when a drive starts throwing problem codes. Easy to manage. So, guess I’m saving up for another NAS that’s just as easy, plenty of bays, easy to swap drives, etc. Going to have to go through your videos and get some research done, because like Drobo, I became complacent with what I have.
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I got into Drobo almost from the start (Gen 2) and still have two, plus a more recent 8-bay NAS. All still have disks in but haven’t powered up the DAS in years, so I’d be surprised if they still worked. The 8-bay is my main backup but 90% of it is now backed up elsewhere. Bought its replacement a year ago but never got around to deciding between TrueNAS or UnRAID for it. Must decide soon!
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I had a Drobo usb for 10 years. But 2 years ago I realized that they stopped making and selling products so that’s when I moved over to Synology. My old unit still works….. lol
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I have a basic “3rd Generation??” Drobo with 4 slots. Only using 3 of the slots. 1TB hardrives. The unit was working fine, but I couldn’t get it to send data to my iMAC. I tried tech support over a year ago AGAIN…but no luck and had to move on to other work…leaving that data stuck on those drives. I feel like I’m probably screwed, but can anyone recommend how I can recover that data. I really need that data. Thanks folks.
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I lost my backup data so many times with 2 ear;y models. Got tired of it and dropped using them. I agree with Scott Kelly’s famous rant on Drobo. For a person like him, who depends upon company support and advertising, to rant like that is super rare. Shows how many issues the Drobo mega Hines had. I was s shocked when I got a Synology and it just worked and didn’t corrupt my data.
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The biggest issue I had with Drobo was I wanted one of their six drive units here in Toronto. Couldnt find it. could get it online. It was virtually impossible to get unless I wanted to ship it from Europe a couple of times the cost of the unit. We ended up going with QNAP instead.
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Is something similar happening with Lacie? Devices like the 12big and 6big are no longer for sale in New Zealand – only 2big
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I had a Drobo years ago. The unit failed and I lost 4 TB of data. Wedding footage, my trip to Italy, pictures of my kittens, etc. Drobo said there was nothing they could do for me. This was before Backblaze was even a thing. I didn’t have any backup or anything because I thought the Drobo was going to be good. Hard lesson to learn. First and LAST Drobo unit I ever owned. I wouldn’t buy a Drobo again, EVER! I have been a Backblaze customer since the beginning and have had to use their recovery data service a couple times. Currently I’m running Asustor Lockerstore 4 bay and I’m getting ready to buy a Qnap Tvs 8 bay. I will always use Backblaze for my off premise backup.
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Drobo 5N still going strong here on M1 Mac. But yes may have to look into something else in the future. Time will tell.
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Mac specialist dealer here. On paper they were great at the start as BeyondRAID promised a great deal, although even after quoting customers for them I (surprisingly or luckily) never managed to sell one.
Then I saw and read of the problems that users were having with poorly written software, and noticing that whenever I spotted one at a new clients it had a red light on the front. After that I kept my own council.
Later I had to advise clients that they probably should not attach new Macs to them as Drobo had not updated their software and loss of data was a coin-toss. Shades of WD and macOS 10.9 Mavericks all over again but it got me a lot of work upgrading Mac Pro’s and iMacs that could still run older versions of macOS.
As for Retrospect, a classic example of a pretty good bit of software ruined by towers of unnecessary added complexity and instability.
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As soon as I heard Drobo was filing for bankrupty I sold my Drobo 5n2 and went straight to an old server with Unraid and Truenas. Loving what these has to offer versus Drobo which wasn’t powerful enough to even stream 4k direct on plex.
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Please test owc Softraid ,tnx.
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My drobo overwrote my data and corrupted a bunch of data. Maybe recovered ten percent of things. Synology so much better
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Thanks for all the info! Great stuff! I just had to dump two of my Drobo’s. I hope someone can pick up the technology again in the future.
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My Drobo 5N died after a few years, but I still have a Drobo FS running as a backup server at it’s max 16TB. I’m using home-built TrueNAS servers now.
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I had a Drobo FS-5 over 10 years ago. After couple of years the whole system corrupted and I lost all my data (didn’t have any other backups at the time, learned my lesson). Drobo said there was nothing they could do. In the end they refunded me the cost of the unit and offered trying to recover data, but would’ve had to send the unit to US, which on itself would’ve been a massive cost. Since then I’ve had a few QNAPs and multiple backups, locally and remotely.
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I still use a pair of 5N2 for my PCs, but I started migrating last year to a Synology DS1522+. BeyondRAID was groundbreaking.
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Thank you for your video.
So sad… I have 2 Drobos and I now need an alternative to transfer m’y data.
What is the best DAS alternative?
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I had 4 5 bay Drobo DAS units .. I also had two of the 8 bay NAS . I have subsequently divested myself of them for many of the reasons described in this video. I now have 2 Synology 18xx units. I liked the Drobo units but eventually had failures (power switches especially) and incompatibility with newer Mac releases. Tragic as I liked the mix and match capabilities of various disk types.
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still backing up to drobo elite from a synology… the array is so unstable that i use it only for backup purpose. the device is heck slow and reboot itself sometime.
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I agree with everything you said, except YOU MISSED THE BIG ONE! Encryption killed any chance of getting your data back. Soooo many people begged for the encryption back door key only to find there wasn’t one! Your data was gone! I rescued several Drobo disk arrays using Disk Warrior with the data unloading taking over a month using USB 1.1. Yikes!!! If you are still using this platform (I have an old working array) get your data off yesterday!!! They sold defective disk arrays for years and there never was any good tech support because they were so limited in what they could do to recover data. One time I demanded and got my $50 deposit for tech support back because there was no tech support. If Drobo ever comes back AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!
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Yep gotta finally swap off all my data from one to a single das storage that backups to my nas
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Honestly, if you have a Drobo right now you should immediately plan to move your data off of it ASAP to avoid risks of losing access to it… Save the drives, but guessing you’ll be able to sell it as a spare for a decent amount for those who have dead units and need a good one to move their drives to in order to access their data if/when that happens.
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What would you recommend for the lowest price 4k video nas? that will allow mix and match drives?
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oh noooooo i love my drobos. I have several of the 5d version.
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Venture capital money was likely the biggest destroyer of the company, like most other companies. The single drive for bottom line only (Synology are you reading this???) disrupts the entire chain. They screw everybody to hit targets and take away innovation and good will. The first company to acquire gets most of the gravy since there is lots to cut, by the time you get to the seventh in line there is nothing left but disgruntled employees and supply chain and a total BS financial statement that doesn’t show the company about to fail. Happens in industry all the time.
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Happy Victoria Day weekend!
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I had one of the iSCSI models at my office. It was TERRIBLE! So slow…
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Thanks for making the video, and responding so quickly to my email, I appreciate it! Y’all are awesome, and I appreciate all the advice and insight. I have decided that I am just going to ditch my Neatgear R9000 Router and NAS426, and start from scratch (now I need a video on how to properly dispose of them, lol). I’m not sure which router I will be going with, but I do think, based on your videos, that the Asustor Lockerstor 4 gen2 AS6704T will be my choice of NAS (I just wish it had the Synology interface, lol). Thanks again for responding to my email, I truly do appreciate it…
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Another sad blow for using Cloud in conjunction with NAS. Makes it harder to trust storage that isn’t physical you own.
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Whilst I hadn’t used it actively for quite some time, I did have it set-up for a family-member who passed away.
I did get a timely message that the service would stop, don’t recall the end-date exactly but also noticed the inaccuracies of that.
But then NG was not really that high on my radar, found them quite rough on some of their edges (pun intended)
I mainly use their switches as even though they might be old (and sometimes no longer maintained), they are okay for home-usage.
(as long as you keep in mind the security about that too!)
I predict in 5 to 10 years time, we will see more & more similar vendors making these kind of moves.
(indeed, WD will be next I predict)
Too bad as I believe the clouds are for blowing smoke (pun intended), and we should own our personal data on our own premisses with optional offsite backups. Your dependencies should only rely on what you own yourself and not rely on services from various vendors, you are in control.
My recommendation(s): do not go for the all-in-one solutions, consider vendors who are the true specialists with the focus (Synology, QNAP, Asustore etc) and backup, backup, B A C K U P!
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I left my readyNAS rn202 (after owning since 2016) in february of this year for a Synology DS220+. Sounds like I made that move just in time. I need to access my files remotely and the ReadyNAS cloud app for mobile and in the browswer was not a proper solution for me anymore. My Synology has been a mountain of an upgrade over ReadyNAS and I have not looked back since.
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Shocking
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Twingate
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