30TB Seagate EXOS HDD Review
The arrival of 30TB capacity hard drives from Seagate — in the form of the IronWolf Pro ST30000NT011 and the Exos M ST30000NM004K — marks another incremental step in high-capacity storage for NAS and enterprise environments. Both models utilize helium-sealed conventional magnetic recording (CMR) technology and pack ten platters at 3TB each into the familiar 3.5-inch form factor. This represents the highest available capacity in a single drive to date, offering an alternative to more complex arrays of smaller disks while preserving compatibility with standard SATA 6Gb/s interfaces. These drives maintain a 7200 RPM spindle speed, 512MB cache, and sustained transfer rates approaching 275MB/s, making them suitable for environments that demand both scale and consistent throughput. The IronWolf Pro is targeted at commercial NAS and multi-user SMB deployments, where ease of integration, features like IronWolf Health Management (IHM), and bundled data recovery services are priorities. The Exos M, by contrast, is designed for data centers and hyperscale cloud storage, where maximum density, superior energy efficiency per terabyte, and sustainability play a more critical role. This review examines not only how these two 30TB drives are constructed and perform in practice, but also explores their compatibility with existing NAS hardware and server infrastructures, as well as the trade-offs involved when moving to such large single-drive capacities.
Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro and EXOS Hard Drive – Quick Conclusion
The Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB and Exos M 30TB represent the cutting edge of mechanical storage, delivering unprecedented density in a standard 3.5-inch, SATA-compatible form factor. Both drives achieve their capacity through a helium-sealed, ten-platter CMR design, offering sustained transfer rates of up to 275 MB/s, 24/7 operability, and an MTBF of 2.5 million hours, making them viable for demanding NAS and enterprise environments. The IronWolf Pro is positioned for SMBs and creative professionals, bundling IronWolf Health Management for drive monitoring and three years of Rescue Data Recovery Services for additional peace of mind, while the Exos M caters to hyperscale and data center deployments by emphasizing power efficiency, sustainability, and seamless integration at scale. These drives are not for casual or budget-conscious users, as their high power consumption, increased heat output, and louder acoustics require properly specified NAS or server hardware to operate reliably. Additionally, their massive single-drive capacity raises practical considerations around redundancy, RAID rebuild times, and backup planning, which can offset some of the benefits of ultra-high density. Nonetheless, for users and organizations that can justify the investment and design their infrastructure to accommodate the specific demands of these drives, both models offer compelling solutions to growing storage needs. The IronWolf Pro excels in environments that value monitoring, support, and ease of deployment, while the Exos M is a better fit where operational efficiency and cost-per-terabyte are paramount, ensuring each serves its intended audience effectively.
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Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro and EXOS Hard Drive – Design and Build
So, first up, below is a side-by-side comparison of the key specifications of the Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB and Seagate Exos M 30TB drives. Both drives use CMR recording, a helium-sealed 10-platter design, and are built around similar mechanical and electrical platforms, but each is targeted at different use cases: SMB/creative NAS environments versus hyperscale cloud and enterprise data centers. This table highlights their similarities and subtle differences.
| Feature | Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB (ST30000NT011) | Seagate Exos M 30TB (ST30000NM004K) |
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| Interface | SATA 6Gb/s | SATA 6Gb/s |
| Recording Technology | CMR | CMR |
| Helium Sealed | Yes | Yes |
| Platter Count | 10 | 10 |
| Spindle Speed (RPM) | 7200 | 7200 |
| Cache (MB) | 512 | 512 |
| Max Sustained Transfer Rate (MB/s) | 275 | 275 |
| Workload Rate Limit (TB/year) | 550 | 550 |
| MTBF (hours) | 2.5 million | 2.5 million |
| Annualized Failure Rate (AFR) | Not Specified | 0.35% |
| Power Idle (W) | 6.8 | 6.9 |
| Power Operating (W) | ~8.3 | up to 9.5 |
| Idle Acoustics (dBA) | 28 | Not Specified |
| Seek Acoustics (dBA) | 32 | Not Specified |
| Shock (Operating/Non-operating) | 30G / 200G | 30G / 200G |
| Temperature (Operating) | 10–60°C | 10–60°C |
| Vibration (Non-operating Grms) | 2.27 | 2.27 |
| RV Sensors | Yes | Not explicitly specified |
| Data Security | Instant Secure Erase (ISE) | Instant Secure Erase (ISE), RSA 3072 |
| Data Recovery Service | 3-year Rescue included | Not included |
| Warranty | 5 years | 5 years |
| Best-fit Applications | NAS, SMB, creative RAID | Hyperscale, big data, cloud |
Both the Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB and Exos M 30TB maintain the standard 3.5-inch hard drive form factor, measuring 26.1mm in height, 101.85mm in width, and 147mm in depth, with a typical weight of 695 grams. This adherence to established dimensions ensures seamless integration into existing NAS bays, server racks, and JBOD enclosures, making them drop-in replacements for lower-capacity drives. Internally, both drives are helium-sealed, a technology critical at this density for maintaining stable platter rotation and reducing turbulence caused by the high number of thin platters spinning at 7200 RPM.
Helium also lowers drag and internal air resistance compared to traditional air-filled drives, which helps moderate temperatures and contributes to better reliability over time. The drives incorporate ten platters, each at 3TB, demonstrating how Seagate has pushed areal density to enable 30TB within the same footprint that previously maxed out at 24TB in nine-platter designs.
The IronWolf Pro places significant emphasis on durability and reliability within multi-bay NAS systems, making it well-suited to SMB and creative workflows. It achieves a mean time between failures (MTBF) of 2.5 million hours and carries a 5-year limited warranty, consistent with Seagate’s premium NAS offerings. The workload rate limit (WRL) of 550TB per year matches that of previous IronWolf Pro models but at higher capacity, allowing for heavier data activity in RAID configurations without voiding warranty terms.
To mitigate vibration issues common in dense multi-drive arrays, the IronWolf Pro integrates rotational vibration (RV) sensors that detect and compensate for external vibrations, stabilizing head positioning to maintain consistent throughput. Acoustically, the drive has been measured at approximately 28 dBA at idle and 32 dBA under seek activity, levels low enough to remain acceptable in small server rooms or under-desk NAS units, though still noticeable in very quiet environments.
By contrast, the Exos M 30TB, though physically and mechanically similar, is tuned for the needs of enterprise-scale and hyperscale cloud deployments. Its construction prioritizes energy efficiency per terabyte and long-term durability at scale, with features like PowerChoice™ for adaptive idle modes and PowerBalance™ for optimized performance-to-watt ratios. These firmware-driven features help reduce total operational costs when thousands of drives are deployed. The Exos M also includes RSA 3072 firmware verification for enhanced data security and is assembled with higher use of recycled materials and renewable energy inputs than earlier generations. These factors align it with the sustainability initiatives many data center operators are now targeting, while maintaining interoperability by preserving the same form factor, interface, and airflow characteristics as previous generations.
Both drives feature hardware-level secure data management, supporting Seagate’s Instant Secure Erase (ISE) to allow administrators to cryptographically erase all user data before redeploying or decommissioning a drive. This functionality is especially relevant for enterprise customers concerned with compliance and data security in multi-tenant environments. For SMB customers, the IronWolf Pro adds another layer of protection with Seagate’s Rescue Data Recovery Services bundled for three years, providing access to Seagate’s in-house data recovery team. This service has an advertised 95% success rate and is included at no additional cost, addressing accidental deletions, corruption, and even some mechanical failures — something that the Exos M does not include by default, as enterprises generally rely on their own backup and recovery procedures.
Finally, it is important to note the environmental operating specifications and resilience engineered into these drives. Both models operate safely in ambient temperatures between 10°C and 60°C and can tolerate non-operating storage temperatures down to –40°C and up to 70°C. They are rated to withstand 30Gs of shock during operation and up to 200Gs when non-operational, which is critical during shipping and installation in dense arrays. Vibration tolerances are also robust, with rotational vibration resistance specified up to 12.5 rad/s² between 10Hz and 1500Hz. Both require both +12V and +5V power rails and draw a typical 6.8–6.9W at idle, which increases during read/write activity as noted in Seagate’s specifications. Taken together, these figures indicate that while the drives are robust enough for demanding environments, users should still ensure their NAS or server chassis provides sufficient cooling, airflow, and power delivery to stay within these tolerances.
Comparing the 30TB IronWolf Pro to the 24TB IronWolf Pro and 4TB IronWolf (Non‑Pro) for Perspective
The 30TB IronWolf Pro represents Seagate’s largest capacity in the NAS‑optimized lineup, continuing the incremental increase in platter count, areal density, and helium‑sealed design. The 4TB non‑Pro IronWolf uses a more modest five‑platter, air‑filled design spinning at 5400 RPM, while the 24TB IronWolf Pro was the previous capacity peak, utilizing nine helium‑sealed platters and a 7200 RPM spindle. Despite sharing the same CMR recording and SATA interface, there is a clear progression in performance, power requirements, noise, and workload tolerances across these models. This comparison highlights how structural changes and internal technologies evolve with capacity—and where trade‑offs emerge at the top end of the spectrum.
| Feature | IronWolf Pro 30TB (ST30000NT011) | IronWolf Pro 24TB (ST24000NT002) | IronWolf 4TB (ST4000VN006, Non‑Pro) |
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| Interface | SATA 6Gb/s | SATA 6Gb/s | SATA 6Gb/s |
| Recording Technology | CMR | CMR | CMR |
| Helium Sealed | Yes | Yes | No |
| Platter Count | 10 | 9 | 5 |
| Spindle Speed (RPM) | 7200 | 7200 | 5400 |
| Cache (MB) | 512 | 512 | 256 |
| Max Sustained Transfer Rate (MB/s) | 275 | 285 | ~202 |
| Workload Rate Limit (TB/year) | 550 | 550 | 180 |
| MTBF (hours) | 2.5 million | 2.5 million | 1 million |
| Power Idle (W) | ~6.8 | ~5.3 | ~4.3 |
| Power Operating (W) | ~8.3 | ~7.1 | ~6.8 |
| Idle Acoustics (dBA) | 28 | ~25 | ~20 |
| Seek Acoustics (dBA) | 32 | ~28 | ~24 |
| Shock (Operating/Non‑operating) | 30G / 200G | 30G / 200G | 80G / 300G |
| Temperature (Operating) | 10–60 °C | 5–60 °C | 0–65 °C |
| Vibration (Non‑operating Grms) | 2.27 | 2.27 | 2.27 |
| RV Sensors | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Data Recovery Service | 3‑year Rescue included | 3‑year Rescue included | 3‑year Rescue included |
| Warranty | 5 years | 5 years | 3 years |
| Target Use‑Case | Commercial NAS, heavy RAID | Commercial NAS, heavy RAID | SOHO, home/SOHO NAS |
This side‑by‑side comparison makes it clear that the 30TB model pushes beyond earlier limits, with higher power draw, increased acoustic output, and tighter operating conditions. Once you start thinking about larger Petabyte deployments of course, this all becomes small margins towards the big storage goals. But Simultaneously, the non‑Pro 4TB drives offer much gentler power, acoustic, and workload characteristics—making them more suitable for everyday, personal, or small‑office use. I am just glad to see that Seagate are not in any rush to eliminate the smaller tiers now that they are on the road to 50/100TB drives by the end of the decade and reducing the smaller caps in the way we save ‘sub 1TB’ drive dry up as soon as we hit above 4TB a decade ago!
Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro and EXOS Hard Drive – Performance, Noise and NAS Compatibility (WiP)
Performance testing of the Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB and Exos M 30TB confirms that both drives deliver sustained sequential transfer rates close to their advertised 275 MB/s. In NAS systems tested—including QNAP, Synology, and Asustor platforms—both drives initialized without compatibility errors and achieved typical sequential read speeds of 268–270 MB/s and write speeds of 252–262 MB/s, depending on the platform and RAID configuration. These results align with expectations for a modern 7200 RPM CMR drive with a 512 MB cache and demonstrate that even at 30TB, throughput remains consistent with prior Pro‑series drives. Random IOPS, while limited compared to SSDs, remain within acceptable ranges for NAS workloads, with the Exos M specified at up to 170 IOPS read and 350 IOPS write at 4K QD16. Latency is nominal at approximately 4.16 ms, which is typical for this class of mechanical drive. Importantly, no firmware or block‑size compatibility issues were noted, and both drives default to 512e sector formatting, ensuring out‑of‑the‑box operability with most modern operating systems and file systems.
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Acoustic performance, however, is noticeably impacted by the increase in platter count and capacity. During idle, the IronWolf Pro registers approximately 28 dBA in a quiet environment, with seek noise rising to around 32 dBA. These figures are slightly higher than those of the 24TB Pro and significantly more pronounced than the older 4TB IronWolf non‑Pro, which produces closer to 20–24 dBA. Subjectively, this noise was clearly audible in a quiet office when installed in a plastic‑chassis NAS and became more noticeable under heavy write operations. In larger arrays, particularly in 8‑bay or 12‑bay enclosures fully populated with these drives, cumulative vibration and resonance may amplify the perceived noise level. By comparison, the Exos M does not publish specific acoustic figures, reflecting its assumption of deployment in already noisy data center environments where ambient noise levels mask individual drive activity.
On the topic of environmental and electrical specifications, both drives are built to operate reliably in demanding conditions. The IronWolf Pro and Exos M are rated for continuous operation at ambient temperatures from 10 °C to 60 °C and can withstand storage temperatures from −40 °C to 70 °C when powered off. Shock ratings remain robust at 30 G operating and 200 G non‑operating, ensuring safe transport and handling before installation. Rotational vibration tolerance of up to 12.5 rad/s² helps maintain head‑positioning accuracy even in vibration‑prone multi‑drive arrays. Power draw, as specified by Seagate, averages around 6.8–6.9 W when idle and rises to between 8.3–9.5 W during typical operating workloads, depending on the model. Although these figures are in line with expectations for drives of this capacity, they are higher than those of lower‑capacity models, and users should ensure their NAS or server power delivery and airflow are sufficient.
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In terms of platform compatibility, early testing shows that both drives are recognized and functional in all major NAS operating systems tested, including Synology DSM, QNAP QTS, TrueNAS SCALE, and Unraid. Both drives initialized cleanly, allowed full‑capacity volume creation, and performed as expected in single‑disk, RAID‑1, and RAID‑5 configurations. Some NAS brands, such as Synology’s newer units, do issue warnings when non‑Synology‑branded drives are installed, but no functional limitations were encountered. The Exos M, while designed primarily for enterprise and cloud storage arrays, showed no incompatibilities when deployed in smaller NAS appliances. As always, users are advised to consult their NAS vendor’s compatibility list to ensure formal support for these models.
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Important point here – As this drive is something of a ‘bigger boy’ – the INITIAL power draw of the drive is quite high, so we are starting to see some examples of particularly high initial power draw drives having issues with NAS backboard/SATA PCB boards that do not have the consistent power delivery needed for larger drive arrays to be stable for a large number of big drives like this one. It’s a small % chance of being an issue, but it does mean that although support and compatibility of the Seagate Ironwolf Pro and EXOS 30TB Hard Drive might be fine on a lot of devices, more power efficient systems or lose built to a lower production cost that reduce a lot of the power deliver (PD) might have long term running and stability issues with drives of this scale down the road.
Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro and EXOS Hard Drive – Conclusion and Verdict
The Seagate IronWolf Pro 30TB and Exos M 30TB drives both exemplify the steady evolution of high‑capacity mechanical storage, bringing unprecedented density to the familiar 3.5‑inch form factor without sacrificing the reliability and compatibility that enterprise and NAS users expect. At 30TB each, they are currently the largest CMR SATA hard drives available, delivering predictable sustained transfer rates close to 275 MB/s and designed to operate 24/7 with an MTBF of 2.5 million hours. Both feature helium‑sealed, 10‑platter designs and include hardware‑level protections such as Instant Secure Erase and rotational vibration mitigation, which are critical in multi‑bay arrays. Where they differ is in market focus: the IronWolf Pro is clearly tailored for SMBs, creative professionals, and enterprise NAS environments that benefit from health monitoring via IronWolf Health Management and the inclusion of three years of Rescue Data Recovery Service, making it easier for smaller teams to recover from accidental loss. The Exos M, by contrast, is optimized for hyperscale data centers, where sustainability, operational cost per terabyte, and compatibility with existing rack infrastructure take precedence, and where administrators already have recovery processes in place.
That said, deploying drives of this capacity is not without its operational and economic considerations. At 30TB per drive, both models demand careful attention to power and cooling: idle and active power consumption are notably higher than lower‑capacity drives, and the additional heat and acoustic output can challenge under‑spec’d NAS enclosures. In smaller or plastic‑chassis NAS units, the noise profile of several of these drives spinning simultaneously can become disruptive in quiet offices or residential settings. Additionally, the sheer size of each drive raises planning concerns around data redundancy and recovery times—should a 30TB drive fail, rebuilding a RAID array or restoring from backup can take significantly longer than with smaller disks. For some users, a lower‑capacity, higher‑spindle‑count configuration may still provide better performance in parallelized workloads and potentially faster rebuild times, while keeping per‑drive costs more manageable.
Ultimately, both the IronWolf Pro 30TB and Exos M 30TB succeed at what they set out to do: deliver maximum capacity in a familiar, standards‑compliant format for users and organizations that can benefit from ultra‑dense storage. For NAS and SMB environments prioritizing ease of use, monitoring, and support, the IronWolf Pro remains the obvious choice. For data centers and hyperscale operations where scale, efficiency, and sustainability dominate requirements, the Exos M makes more sense. Either way, these drives are best viewed as specialist tools, suited to those prepared to manage the trade‑offs inherent in such high‑capacity storage. Provided that the environment, workload, and backup strategy are properly aligned, they offer a compelling, if premium, solution for meeting the growing demands of modern data storage.
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So I think I’ll stick with my two 40TB Unraid servers using older 5TB drives. I have a complete backup, and each server has parity protection so that if a drive dies, the data is easily recovered. If two die in the same server, the most I lose is 10TB, and I still have a backup. To do this with even 20TB drives, I’d need to buy six of them, and that’s before considering the power and noise implications (I only spin up one 5TB drive at a time when streaming from the server). 30TB is definitely too many eggs in one basket for my use case.
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Seagate doesn’t have a great reputation, and that was confirmed to me again last year.
A 5TB hard drive that suddenly stopped working. Would you trust your data to a 20TB Seagate hard drive? ????
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7:25 Is the write performance to the cache rather than to the disk? Or is writing somehow faster than reading?
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We should bring back the 5 1/4″ form factor and just make drives with eve bigger plates for moar storage.
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As for “too many eggs in one basket” at 2:15.. Right now my home lab has about 15TB of storage used with about 20TB available. The problem is that it is made up of four distinctly different drives that all have different capacities — two of which are external “WD Book” style external drives. It.. isn’t ideal. The case I had available when I made the server only had room for two drives, and at the time I made it 4TB drives were pretty much the max. I imagine I could take two of those 30TB drives and put them in a RAID1 configuration and in that one move reduce the complexity and improve the reliability of my home file server. I’d have all my eggs in one basket and at the same time, an identical basket with identical eggs just in case something happened to the first. Which would be twice as much backup as I currently have.
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I really need to get around to upgrading my home lab.
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I have a 1MB 5.25 drive somewhere, gonna assuming that wasn’t cheap when it was new, it also makes no sense why it exists because a floppy disk had more capacity and was faster, although I think it might have been a prototype because I can find no mentions anywhere of such a drive existing.
I need to get a new drive at some point, keep hoping the price per GB would go down.
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Our first home computer was Osbourne XT 8MHz (turbo, or non-turbo 4.77MHz), 640KB RAM, 20 MB Hard drive, 360KB 5¼” floppy, 9pin dotmatrix printer, Borland Sprint word processor, PrintMaster [something] desktop publishing, CGA.
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How good is Seagate’s warranty service? All 3 brands have 5y warranty for their biggest drives… In theory at least.
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I grew up in a time where 1TB was unfathomable. Actually, I recall watching an episode of The Screen Savers where they paired up several 120Gb drives and RAIDed them to a 1TB volume, and proved that Windows XP could handle it.
When 1TB disks were being announced several years later, I said “if I ever get that disk I’m going to store my whole life on it!”
As a grown up now, with access to several hundred TBs of disks, I still have yet to get everything I have into the same volume.
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4k videos tend to disagree with your assessment of the capacity of hard drives.
Also data hoarding…
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Best case sequential read entire disk is >30 hrs (>1hr/TB), I assume writes+verify is much slower. If a drive fails in a large array, you better pray another drive doesn’t fail during the likely 2-4days waiting for background rebuild (after hot swap).????
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Seagate is not hard drive.
Seagate is failure you can buy.
I rather wait for WD or Toshiba..
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To me it’s sad that SSD’s are not in the capacity yet. I feel drive companies a holding back in purpose.
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Need more space. I’m downloading the internet.
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A single 30TB drive can be a backup for my entire NAS. I wouldn’t use them for my main daily drive yet. But it’s a relatively cheap alternative to having a second NAS populated with the same capability as my main NAS. I don’t have my backups running 24/7, I run a backup every couple of weeks as it’s mainly used for entertainment media, which is in itself just a practically accessible backup of my blurays , dvds and cds.
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All that effort, research and development for greater capacity disks, just so we can store more and more films with beautiful shameless ladies.
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Western digital ultra star has 32 terabytes out now it’s just hard to find them but they’re out you can look it up their website
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Nice peek into the near future. These will get less expensive and hence an easier choice. Thanks for the foreshadowing.
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In 1986, one company made hard drives for the C64; 5 megabytes for $599 and 10MB for $899.
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My game collection was crush these disks fast
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data density is king. I have limited physical space and my Plex library continues to grow.
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your sound seems to be a little out of sync… your mouth movements are not matching the sound. OMG, I remember buying my first hard drive upgrade for $900 in 1993 for a 500MB HD (I had never upgraded a hard drive before that.
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It seems the concern is whatever your setup is limited in. If you’re limited on the total number of drives you can have (like you don’t have enough SATA ports or physical bays to install in), these are great, more capacity! If you’re limited financially, not so much, you want as many TB per dollar as you can get. And of course, if access speed is your concern (either because of resilvering times or just because you need fast drives), you want more and smaller drives (or SSDs). So for some people these will be fantastic, and for some people they will be “meh” at best.
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A bit dramatic about the sound…. Yes they sound like hard drives. I wouldn’t want it on my nightstand all night that said I have an rs820+ with expansion unit and 8x exos 16….. it’s no louder than my wife’s bedroom fan.
And for the record, I DO use all the storage on that NAS…. For customer backups.
With the drive compatibility crap of Synology I’m looking at other brands ????
It’s a shame, since I went all in on my customers selling each of them Synology and EXOS/Ironwolf
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Too much? Jesus the way I’m consuming 4k movies… I can hardly ever have enough. And I want to retain all the movies I watch.
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When I was in middle school, the server in our computer lab had dual 20MB hdds. Good times.
My first PC had a yuge 400MB hdd. Not too long after that I upgraded it to a 1GB hdd and I thought to myself, how will I ever need this much storage.
In 2025 I have two 2TB NVME & one 1TB NVME in my main machine and almost 40TB of storage in my NAS. Guess what, I need more storage. How times change.
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They totally are not too big. You ever loaded an astronomy data set? You ever done correlation studies on genomes cross-referencing metabolic markers looking for gene combinations that correlate with medical conditions? You ever dealt with archiving and handling neural network training data? Thirty Terabytes is just the entry point for jobs like that. You’d could build full-cabinet RAID arrays of thirty-terabyte drives and it would pay off for those particular jobs.
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20MB if for data hoarders, no normal human needs 20MB.
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Spinning disk at 30TB? What even is the RAID resilvering time on that?
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I need a 10+ external drive enclosure with gigabit+ speed
And a reserve of at least 20+ of these 30tb drives.
No SMR drives please
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Amazing how cheap the storage has become for sure. I got a 64GB micro sd card for $6 Canadian the other day.
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Amazing how cheap the storage has become for sure. I got a 64GB micro sd card for $6 Canadian the other day.
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12:22 yes and no – for redundancy you’d usually want two. But there’s a smarter way ????
Use Unraid: turn that single 30TB drive into a parity disk for your setup. Then add all your random drives—SSDs, HDDs, NVMEs, whatever—and build your storage pool. ???? Unraid doesn’t care about mismatched sizes. Your 30TB becomes the safety net backing them all up!
⚠️ Speeds: the 30TB is a spinning disk, so it’s slower than SSDs/NVMEs, but Unraid reads from the fast drives directly—so day-to-day performance stays snappy. Writes can be slower, but throw in a cache drive (like an NVMe), and you get the best of all worlds. Fast writes hit the cache first, then Unraid moves them to the array in the background. Just hope nothing goes wrong while it’s sitting on that one cache disk! ????
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12:22 yes and no – for redundancy you’d usually want two. But there’s a smarter way ????
Use Unraid: turn that single 30TB drive into a parity disk for your setup. Then add all your random drives—SSDs, HDDs, NVMEs, whatever—and build your storage pool. ???? Unraid doesn’t care about mismatched sizes. Your 30TB becomes the safety net backing them all up!
⚠️ Speeds: the 30TB is a spinning disk, so it’s slower than SSDs/NVMEs, but Unraid reads from the fast drives directly—so day-to-day performance stays snappy. Writes can be slower, but throw in a cache drive (like an NVMe), and you get the best of all worlds. Fast writes hit the cache first, then Unraid moves them to the array in the background. Just hope nothing goes wrong while it’s sitting on that one cache disk! ????
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5:47 RAID 0 is NOT RAID – ???? the clue is in the name ????
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5:47 RAID 0 is NOT RAID – ???? the clue is in the name ????
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I picked up a 24tb Seagate HDD from NewEgg for $250 shipped! I use it as a back up and it took me 2 days to write 16 TB to it.
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I picked up a 24tb Seagate HDD from NewEgg for $250 shipped! I use it as a back up and it took me 2 days to write 16 TB to it.
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Dual redundancy got to be a must with these (reddit don’t like recommending RAID6/SHR2/z2/t2)
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Dual redundancy got to be a must with these (reddit don’t like recommending RAID6/SHR2/z2/t2)
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I wish you luck rebuilding a raid with 30tb drives. You’ll grow third hand until it completes. And you’ll go to hell if you have to rebuild parity ….
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I wish you luck rebuilding a raid with 30tb drives. You’ll grow third hand until it completes. And you’ll go to hell if you have to rebuild parity ….
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Ever since SSDs were introduced in 1991, mechanical HD manufactures have had only one real advantage over them, and that is storage space per cable/slot. As we now have 8TB M.2 drives, the mechanical HDs are hard pressed to at least double that storage space, albiet at much slower access and xfer speeds. With 16 TB SSDs in the pipeline and 32 TB a couple years behind those, I don’t think we have long until mechanical drives become novelties of history, like my old 5 mb double height HD.
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Ha – I had an ST4096!
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HGST only
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I remember hearing an area college administrator once brag that they had “A one terabyte campus”. Not internet speed.. they had one terabyte of total storage on campus and were proud.
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I’ve been doing a bunch of work in the Enterprise NAS space recently. I can tell you that my clients are looking forward to 30TB drives being available in qty – storage density is the name of the game when you have cabinets full of disk chassis! I do think, though, that this tech is maybe “iffy” for home/non-datacenter usage. I see a lot more heat generation from 20TB, 22TB, and 24TB drives we’re currently using, and the drives are MUCH more sensitive to shock damage, so the home-user device that gets moved around, bumped, etc… could be risky. Most home NAS systems have pretty poor cooling capabilities. I have a NAS device @home with 16x16TB drives, and it runs (a whole lot!) hotter than my lab proxmox server that has 16x10KRPM drives and 8xSAS SSD. Fortunately, my basement workspace is always cold….
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My friend and I accidentally ruined a 3MB hard drive way back when. We didn’t know you had to PARK the heads before shutting down 🙁
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Too big? Too small actually!!
The content sizes have gone way up and big drives are very expensive.
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Given how it is becoming increasingly difficult to fit more and more TB in a 3.5″ hard drive, I’d be open to a new form factor similar to how we moved from 2.5″ drives to M.2 for SSDs. It’d obviously take a while to catch on, but if manufacturer’s can make drives with more TB and ideally less noise, I’d be up for a new form factor
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I am not sure why HDDs prices never really came down for the past 5 years. In Best Buy in the U.S, prior to the pandemic in late 2019 WD Red Plus 4TB was $69.99 and I didn’t buy it thinking prices are coming down. Since then the price is stuck at $100 and occasionally drops to 90 or 85 if we are lucky. But for most of the past 5 years price is locked at $99.99 ???? Same story for Seagate Ironwolf ????????♂️ I would have been happier if 4TB drives were obsolete and were replaced with 8TB for the same price of 100. Next time I need drived, I will go with recertified or refurbished server SATA drives.
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silence must be heard
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There are two main issues i have with these drives:
a) they are huge and will take enormously long to rebuild. Its about time that we do get 16-32TB SSDs at about 400€ per unit and not the overpriced shitshow that we do get right now.
b) the price is way too high. I have 8x18TB in RAID6 right now = 98,2TB net storage. Those disks here would raise it to 163,7 TB but at the cost of 4700€ in total. If i just add four more 18TB disks i have the same amount of space, but for 1150€. Those disks are WAY too expensive to actually be an upgrade path if you still have slots left. I decided that even buying a new case + new hardware + new controller + 18TB disks is less than half the price compared to upgrading the current DIY case with disks like these. An absolutely rubbish value proposition. ????
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Take it apaaaaaart
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I know some people put their games on super fast SSD’s and I do for certain things.. But for my normal steam library, it’s going on something like a 20tb to free up my fast drives for more important stuff..
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No, they’re not. They’re TOO SLOW.
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I’ll never buy Exos again, they’re just too loud compared to the Seagate IronWolf Pro drives.
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30TB is big enough that a drive failure would be catastrophic, it would be holding EVERYTHING. I think I’d want it doubled up in Raid 1 or smaller capacity drives with better MBTF rates.
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I love how you started off this conversation. Perspective is definitely something people need to consider.
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If you have a high tolerance for outages, and you’re on a budget, you might forego the RAID and just have your production system and a backup – off-site of course.
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Take into consideration the size of the average WordPerfect document then vs the average Word file now.
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The first hard drive I had was a 5 Megabyte drive, and it cost a fortune. Oh, how times have changed…
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the thing ive found in the real world with any of these large drives is you MUST keep them cool.. if you are using these (16TB+) drives in RAID systens where they get hamemred pretty hard.. you have to cool the adequetely or they arent going t ogive you the lifespan you are expecting.. USB cases are death sentenaces for these.. they get quite warm..if you are using USB cases for backups then probably OK as the drive only is runing for a couple hours max to take a backup then is put up.. but if you are setting up USB drives permanently running and taking lots of writes daily.. they will get HOT.. and they will start showing bad sectors pretty quickly on SMART data queiries.. I dont worry about Noise as all my drives are in Server racks either in a data center or in a room away from where im staying most of the time.. in a NAS I would want to make sure I have active air blowing across each drive.. the larger the drive it seems the more sensitive to heat they are..
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Mine is 56TB. However, I have it spread across multiple drives in RAIIDZ.
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It’s always so strange to hear people complain about power usage and noise especially when it comes to hard drives.
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I’m pleased that these exist, but would never, every buy the newest and largest. Over the years the sweet point for disc storage in terms of B/$ has generally been what was new about five years ago. If I were buying now I’d be considering the 12–16TB. If things continue as they have over the last couple of decades — not always guaranteed, of course — then maybe these 30TB thing would be in the running in 2030. How apt. ????
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my top of the line XT was 30mb @5:00 only if its a common file system
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So I need these for the sound effects AND storage space, got it.
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Tell that to a retro gamer!
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I like that technology is developing and we are getting larger capacities. I would like to see the standard change as well. Data centers could have cylinder-shaped disks with up to 50 spinning disks each with two read/write heads on opposite sides and a built-in water cooling system. Data transfer would be comparable to M.2 disks but with a much larger capacity of 150 TB or even 1PT. With two electric motors above and below so that in case of a failure on one, the other one continues to work, the same with the read heads. And you can limit axle vibrations with two fixed axle points.
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My NAS has 3 20TB drives
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My UNAS PRO LOVES my seagate 28tb drives…
I did get refurbished ones for $299. They haven’t been on for market long enough to worry about old refurbished models
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Relax… it is still standard size 3,5inch which will still fit any enclosure. The 4tb shown is slim yes, but still holds 3,5inch platter. I personally have 3x12bay 2U disk enclosures filled with 24tb Skyhawk AI drives for 2years now, and so far, no problems.
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I started with an XT and 5Mb HDU, the really fat one… ????
Early 90s I upgraded to SCSI on an 386DX with 320Mb (from an IBM VAX, i reformatted from 520b sectors to 512 sectors) I was the KING with such specs.
In 2014 I bought an 8bay Synology with 4x4Tb. Upgraded to 8x4Tb in 2017, and I had 28Tb net from this RAID volume. Which slowly filled. Mostly with H264 video. End of 2017 it was full.
I used ffmpeg to recode all of them and freed 20Tb of data. Never upgraded since. Still 15Tb empty. Just killed all the fat movies with lean ones, and always converting with x265 what I download… ????
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My first hard drive was 10 megabytes. I thought to myself at the time, “I’ll never fill this drive” which makes me laugh to think about now. Today, there is no such thing as a drive that is too big, and I can never have enough drives.
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If Linus from LTT can wear braces, so can you. I recommend invisiline or something that you can wear onlybwhen u sleep.
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Imagine if sky plus had one of these at launch???????????? 8k films would benefit.
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2 and a bit power consumption increase to 7 and a bit of storage increase okay no issues there.
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u r accent is awful pal.
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First hard drive I bought was a 3.5″ Western Digital IDE drive for under £1 per megabyte – astonishing value.
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While my Seagate IronWolf Pro 16TB may seem small compared to those massive 30TB drives, it’s impressively quiet—almost whisper silent. In fact, it’s so quiet that my old 1TB 2.5″ laptop hard drive makes more noise than this 16TB beast. For a drive of its size and performance class, the lack of noise is genuinely impressive.
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funny noise, then 30tb of porn and torrents gone just like that.
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30TB per drive sounds nice but the real limit is the I/O. Its like you try to fill or empty your big pool with a gardening hose. Imagine build RAID configurations. Probably taking many days if you try to rebuild a RAID5.
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I’d love to know if you filled an 8 bay with 20Tb drives and a 6 Bay with 30 TB drives (or some similar combination that is as close as possible to same RAW TB) how does it all compute out in terms of cost per TB Useable, watts per TB useable and dB (per TB?)
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thirty terabytes is massive !! but i reckon seagate have got a 32 or 40 tb hard disc on the way onto the market soon ??? thanks………..
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oh my gosh !!!!! 30 tb !! this is huge !!!!! imagine what u could store on it !!
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Works for me.
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For videophiles or businesses, sure, good idea. But for holey moley is that a lot of data to lose when one of those drives doesn’t like a little wiggle!
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30 TB is great because all you’ll need is 4 drives plus 3 for redundance, for 100+ TB of storage. Then all you’ll need is a duplicate system for backups, and a rack mounted dual tape-drive system. You would go with dual tape heads do both a one site & offsite backup at the same time.
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Remember when flash drives came in 8mb , 16mb and 32mb sizes?
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Back in the days of 250 MB HDs, you could do a full format in a couple of minutes!
R/W speeds are so far behind capacity now that a calendar is needed to time a RAID mirror or pairty rebuild!
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A lot of your reviews have errors but this one was good IMHO. Thanks!
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The noise was tiny
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The problem every time I have moved to a bigger drive, you have to buy at least 2 so that you are able to backup the new size.
I now have a series of 8tb drives that hold everything I have collected since the 90’s ,I would still need 2, 30tb for best case storage.????
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36TB EXOS just dropped this week, already the video is behind the curve!
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is possible to save data in each drive without the NAS?
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These would go great in the next Synology RackStation we buy at work. Oh wait, we are not buying anymore Synology units because they are assholes like Broadcom.
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I still think these days, any magnetic recording or storage is old/aging technology, they’re large, slow and power consuming (compared to other formats). Yes I know the price per TB is way lower, but I hope cheaper solid state storage will emerge in the next few years, I way prefer backing is to SSD’s. The main thing people, is to backup your data somewhere !!!
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Now I just need 1TB internet speeds.
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I want 40 TB. For now I buy 20 TB Drives.
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No such thing as too large. Yes, as a stand along drive it’s too big. But any sized drive is too big for that. For a 30TB array I’d want at least a fault tolerance of 4 and EXPECIALLY with Seagate. I’d also want to keep a minimum of two on hand at all times.
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pfffft 30TB …I give you…… 36TB Seagate Exos SATA hard drive goes on preorder for $800 –
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30TB “too big” ?!?!?! *NO F WAY!!!*
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30TB “too big” ?!?!?! *NO F WAY!!!*
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30TB “too big” ?!?!?! *NO F WAY!!!*
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30TB “too big” ?!?!?! *NO F WAY!!!*
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30TB “too big” ?!?!?! *NO F WAY!!!*
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I think i will never buy bigger drives than 24tb on a 6G Sata connector. Nowadays i stacking up my main and backup NAS with 12tb drives and think this is the best effective option for me. Just caculate how long you neet to read and write with an optimum of 280 mb/s these 30tb drives, thats insane!
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30TB is too small. We should have drive x100 times this size for 25% the prices. Seagate always breakdown too fast. I have lost too much data with this brand. So no thanks .
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It all depends on budget and needs. For someone on a tight budget, they are at the wrong place. For someone working 8K files, with huge data libraries: hell ya!
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When planning my farm deployment and calculating space needed for all the cameras with 90 days of storage I still have to compromise on how I run the cameras. As for planning the purchase, the cameras are going to outstrip the drive cost. It’ll take years to get it all. I haven’t even bought the land yet, and have been collecting components as I can and testing them out around the house. I’m planning for a RAID 5 will lots of drives. The thing I want to know is what is the rebuild like if one of those craters?
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I grew up in the times of big 100Gb drives.
The ones I had before that one were actually noisy.
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They should offer a 3.5 form factor drive that is internally 4Tb raid 10.
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I cant use up my 6 tb harddrive yet…. not anytime soon
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A rough back of the envelope calculation shows that the cost per capacity of the various drive sizes is almost linear these days. 1x32TB stores the same as 8x4TB drives for just about the same cost per TB. The only difference you get is a smaller physical footprint and lower energy use.
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I have four large capacity Exos drives in a very old, and heavy, steel case. The drives are barely audible when hard at work. I’m glad I didn’t purchase new plastic garbage for my NAS.
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30TB drive. One business week resilver time ????
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i had to put my drive banks in another room because i have 14+ of them so when its reading/writing it will keep you up at night. you could even go as far as to frame a sound proofing cage with filtration and airflow just to dampen it down. also the vibration is transmitted via surface contact so what i did is on the rack i put foam rafting at contact points and it really knocks the sound down.
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I have 24 WD Reds running raid 6 had them running 24/7 for 12 years the still claiming they are good for over 100 days.
I could replace them with newer drives but am a firm believer in if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
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Getcho Teef fiksd
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120tb ssd’s and 500tb hdd’s will be the norm in 2-3 years
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My question is how long those rebuild times are on a system like this. How long does the UnRaid rebuild take? TrueNas resilver on an 80% full RZ1? Proprietary nas ones?
I love the larger sizes but I can’t imagine them being usable in real world applications for home users
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Would be cheaper to buy two 24GB drives for 48GB though. Nice drives though.
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Excellent
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24 of these in a NVR would make a nice storage node for a 60 camera system.
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Tandy 5MB drive, over $12000 in todays dollars. For that $12000 you can now get 1000TB.
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When you want to migrate from one NAS hardware provider (for example Synology ????) to a different provider you of course need to make a data backup. Sensible advice would be that you should have a backup anyway, but when you have a 4 bay with 10tb drives in them that’s a lot of data. Perhaps a home user use case for these large drives is to support transitioning hardware and providing NAS RAID backups.
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I just bought 8 of the EXOS 26 TB drives to do my first media server build. Wish me luck.
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All disks should have a time indicator for how long to write 1 full disk and read 1 full disk.
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The real barrier for me is that write speeds aren’t keeping up with capacity, and I said the same when those goofy 30+TB SATA SSDs launched a few years back. Resilvers are already obscene, so I can’t see myself going beyond my current 16TB drives. I’d rather scale out than up, for my own sanity. For those of us with big Plex/Jellyfin servers, I’d sooner grab large enterprise SSDs and slap them in a mini-PC than trust the rust.
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Do they make an external flavor of these yet? I buy movies/tv series and shrink them and store them on external drives for instant playback and to save the original discs from use.
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An interesting metric for these big drives is “time to fill” or “time to sync”. My back of the envelope maths gives a fill/sync time of 1.2 days minimum. That’s a long time to hope you don’t have another drive fail. Or conversely a long time to make a backup of the disk.
Not impossible of course and there’s for sure still uses. I was just hoping that by the time we got to drives this size the transfer speed would have kept up with the capacity growth.
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What size does the noise start? My internal firecuda 8 TB drives cannot be heard by me and my 14 TB external seagate is pretty quiet although it does not get worked hard.
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They are working at getting out 240 TB drives I believe. Never too much storage unless data is not easily accessible.
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I’m sticking with about 14tb, because I can’t stomach more than a 1 day parity rebuild. 30TB is over 2 days.
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Those single disk failure rebuild times are going to be insane 🙁
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Brilliant video. When you say “big boy” drive bay during the power discussion, can you give an example? Are you talking something other than QNAP, for example?
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If I combine all the hard drives, I use on my PC I have about 36tb…. All in use, I have maybe 6tb left! But the problem is that you need another hard drive to back it all up to …. And then another to back up that back up because the huge hard drives often have the higher fail rates! So I’m glad to see these massive hard drives are on the scene, but really it would take weeks to back all of that up on sata no matter what the manufacturer might claim. The amount of work you would lose in that time is insane so you’d need a second pc / whatever in that time! Or to make it viable timewise, you would need a few custom M2.nvme setups… I think my point here is that when we look at those old adverts which have insane prices for 10 MB it’s actually quite comparable to the amount of money / time and space we have now it’s just that the files we have now are so big. Although obviously it’s better now for most users! ???? rant over sorry haha
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Too much space? No such thing. Such capacities make it plausible to implement replication of data in a confined space and with lower power draw requirements. Sure it takes longer to fill, etc. but it’s not a race to fill a disk – it’s a race to cater for a certain capacity of data. The full disk DST I perform on a new install is one of the only times I ever address the entire disk in practice.
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i’d say sweet spot for smb is about 20tb – say dual 20tb nas is good setup
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0:21 Oh my god that price ????????????????????
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Even 8 TB drives are a pain in the a…. If you have to backup them.
I prefer Arrays of 8 TB disks
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I’d rather have an SSD NAS when the cost of 8tb nvme ssds hit the same prices as those 4tb Lexar drives on prime day I’ll be buying a bunch of them
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Around the time 20TB came about, people were suggesting not to get them. Unless your data protection strategy doesn’t depend on any form of RAID. Rebuild times were much too long, multiple days, to make causing failure of other drives a low enough risk in the process. Large drive counts also do better with less overall platter and other mechanical component weight, individual drives last longer and use less energy.
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The issue with normal drives vs SSD is the idle power consumption.
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I remember being over the moon when given a second hand 10 MB drive for a PC. Thought I’d never run out of space! Having had occasional drive failures over the years I’d argue that there needs to be a balance between number and size of drives that takes into account the cost of a singe failure and the effort / time required to get things back to normal. I wonder what the power consumption / noise level would be like with a 30 TB raid composed entirely of those old 10 MB drives. ????
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I remember me and my dad opening a BBC micro and installing the (£100) DFS kit so you could use a floppy disk drive with the machine. I’ve forgotten how much you could store on a 5¼” floppy disk.
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I was thinking about getting those same acoustic tiles. How is the performance in terms of slap echo?
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i would love to go from 17 drives including 2 parity drives to having only 6 including parity. if only i could afford it.
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What seems to be the issue is that the speed of Sata and SAS haven’t changed for more than 10 years while nvme drives went up leaps and bounds
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16 is my limit. I run Jellyfin on Windows. Shut up dorks, I don’t care about your ‘windows sucks’ opinions. I use that machine as my server as well as an emulation machine and I’m not interested in learning a new OS that may or may not accomplish the variety I demand. Anyway, listening to these things fire up and resync constantly is annoying as hell. The noise itself doesn’t aggravate me much, but knowing that wear and tear is happening crawls right under my skin. It is constant. If there’s a power outage, that’s three days of grrrrskskskskskkskkhmmmmmmmmm. Now I am considering moving emulation to a minipc and then convert the Jellyfin machine to TrueNAS and shove it into a closet, but thats dependent on ebay. The biggest reason for the Truenas switch is the lack of decent raid options within windows. Spaces’ parity scares the piss outta me so Im runnin dual 16tb raid1’s which of course is awful space util.
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I started off with a 20MB RLL drive in my 286 … (not counting the floppies in my Apple //c) … that didn’t last ling, then 40MB (surely enough) … 120MB … 500MB … wow a 1GB drive! Bugger my 40GB is full … nice 250GB … need that new 500GB … hey, 1TB, noone can fill that. Bugger my 18TB is getting full … never enough, never, ever
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the problem is in the fact they’re seagates lol
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Regarding noise: keep in mind these drives are primarily geared towards datacenter use. Datacenters don’t care about noise. At all.
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From my experience as a service tech for storage system I would be very concerned about rebuild time having seen some stretch into nearly a week .????
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It is very good to place in safety deposit at the bank
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I am a Millionaire if I buy this HDD? 30 Million Megabyte?
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30 Million Megabyte. A CD is 700 Megabyte.
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Failure of disk will spell doom for the data it holds, given its enormous size.
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I have several Exos 14TB drives and it takes hours to copy my Steam library from one to the other. That’s at external USB speeds though. I can’t imagine moving 30TB of crap. It would probably take a couple days just to populate the drive for the first time.
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Disappointing to see the read/write speed so stagnant. I have some 14tb exos drives and they bench around 270-280Mb/s for read and write. I guess they have packed the tracks closer together but not improved the linear track density.
The exos drives are server orientated so noise is not a consideration; they could make quieter large drives at lower rpm (e.g. 5400rpm instead of 7200rpm) with less aggressive seeking.
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I wish they would only advertise the usable space, Hate this current system we use.
30TB is about what 27TB of usable space, So you lose 3TB each drive.
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Put this in a new Synology ????????
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My first PC was a home-built 8080A system running CP/M. After a while i got a 15MB hard-drive for it. I partitioned it with 2 1MB partitions for system and work area and a 8 MB for general storage leaving 5MB unpartitioned. I never needed to take that 5MB in use.
Now-days i am mostly buying used disks as you can get them very cheap so most of my disks are in the 4 to 8 TB range. I have one 18TB for off-site storage but that about it with the larger ones.
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The problem of all these high capacity drives is that they are Helium filled which inevitably will leak over time making them unreliable for off site backup.
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I remember my dad ordered me a massive 40mb MFM drive for my AMD 80286 27Mhz! And when the package was delivered it was a 177MB SCSI drive! So the question was, send it back or buy an Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller. I ended up having more storage than most DCs at the time ????
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A 24 tb drive 1200AUD 3x8tb 850AUD 8tb HDD are the best value $/Tb
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rip synology 108tb volume limit
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Nas are alway noisy. I located mine in ad hoc room, very far from my working station
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Resilvering will be a nightmare, how many days to complete?
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i tried to add a Seagate Exos X20 ST20000NM007D to my Synology DS1621+ It could not detect the disk, so i ended up using it in my workstation. also when exceeding these sizes other issues comes up. Microsoft store does not support that large drives. so you need to add smaller partitions. and the same goes for bitlocker, that has its limitation of partition size. that are the root cause why microsoft store does not work, as the license is protected by bitlocker technology
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Moving to EXOS drives a few years ago was the best thing I’ve done with HDD. I’ve never placed my server or NAS in a bedroom or living area so noise is not an issue and runnings costs are negligble, something like AU$20 extra per annum compared to “NAS drives” which cost more to buy in the first place. Thanks for sharing
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There is nothing in PC hardware I enjoy less than buying hard drives. Because it’s simply the worst component you can ever try to research. I have to open hundreds of tabs tracing down, searching and trying to make some genius reintegration of failure rates prediction to figure out if the exact specific disk serial number I am getting is potentially going to be a bad batch in the future. This is very easy to mess up and be totally clueless about. And every time I go to buy disks again (4 years later or whatever), all the knowledge is invalid and the research must be done carefully from scratch. I would rather not buy any disks, I do not enjoy this *at all*
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Tell me about it, I recently securely wiped a HDD and it took days.
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Very interesting. I didn’t really think about the power consumption.
I have been around PCs for a long time. I remember my first PC. I had to pay $200 for 2 megabytes of RAM to get Windows 3.1 running.
I just bought 2 12TB drives for my UGREEN NAS and set them up as one large drive for my TV/Movie collection. I have everything (6.5TB so far) backed up to removable drives so I didn’t use RAID.
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the bigger and cheaper storage becomes the less priority is given to efficiency of coding eg the increase in capacity required by windows os from win 3 to win 11.also i am loath to use the full capacity of usb sticks as the danger of losing all that data worries me too much.
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I don’t believe in Australians.
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I mean as a backup drive used in a rotating setup (rotating the whole disk not the platter ;))… I mean hell yeah.
But with actual permanent connection to a system? No thanks. If you’re optimistic, rebuild times for one of these babies is in the neighborhood of two full days. So you need raid6 or raidz2 otherwise you’re jeopardizing your sleep.
So at a minimum 4 disks which would not just probably cost an arm and a leg but what the hell does one do with 60TB spinning rust space? There isn’t that much mediocre entertainment content out there, much less good one.
My homelab sips under 200W including the switch. I have two raidz1 vdevs with 6 2TB spindles each. Granted, it takes not hoarding every bit of media I can get my grabbies on but frankly, emby gets cluttered, too, with too much stuff in there. It gets hard deciding what to watch as it is. So I have like 14TB usable space all things said and done and frankly, it’s nearly half empty.
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Chat-GPT says 500 pounds on average per disk
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I’ll have 4 of them please.
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One is a Seagate EXOS Enterprise drive.
One is a Seagate Ironwolf Pro drive.
Both are CMR based drives.
Both have similar read and write performance.
Both have similar noise levels.
Both have similar power consumption.
So what’s the difference between them? How should someone choose?
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As soon as you started the section on “will these drives work in turnkey NAS solutions”, I was sat here patiently waiting for Synology 2025 to be mentioned. Haha
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Why would you need to buy two or lose half the capacity? Obviously you have backups, so there is no need for RAID. One drive like this plus Backblaze is perfect combination.
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Why would you need to buy two or lose half the capacity? Obviously you have backups, so there is no need for RAID. One drive like this plus Backblaze is perfect combination.
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Why would you need to buy two or lose half the capacity? Obviously you have backups, so there is no need for RAID. One drive like this plus Backblaze is perfect combination.
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I remember thinking I’d hit the big-time of IT way back in the mid-eighties when I was set to work on a system with an enormous 20Mb hard drive! Oh, how things have changed 🙂
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I remember thinking I’d hit the big-time of IT way back in the mid-eighties when I was set to work on a system with an enormous 20Mb hard drive! Oh, how things have changed 🙂
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I remember thinking I’d hit the big-time of IT way back in the mid-eighties when I was set to work on a system with an enormous 20Mb hard drive! Oh, how things have changed 🙂
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I have 20 of the EXOS 26TB drives and I think that will do for my library. It is half full at the moment.
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I have 20 of the EXOS 26TB drives and I think that will do for my library. It is half full at the moment.
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I have 20 of the EXOS 26TB drives and I think that will do for my library. It is half full at the moment.
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Have you tried DymaxIO? It keeps headers movement to a minimum, drives live longer and are a lot quieter.
Not paid btw, I just think it is neat.
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Have you tried DymaxIO? It keeps headers movement to a minimum, drives live longer and are a lot quieter.
Not paid btw, I just think it is neat.
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Have you tried DymaxIO? It keeps headers movement to a minimum, drives live longer and are a lot quieter.
Not paid btw, I just think it is neat.
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Just saying: seeing hands moving around the standup expensive hdd, do worry that of accident by hands. Would it be a beautiful moment that thse hdd can be securely standing up with simple fixture like phone holders. Cheers ????
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Just saying: seeing hands moving around the standup expensive hdd, do worry that of accident by hands. Would it be a beautiful moment that thse hdd can be securely standing up with simple fixture like phone holders. Cheers ????
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Just saying: seeing hands moving around the standup expensive hdd, do worry that of accident by hands. Would it be a beautiful moment that thse hdd can be securely standing up with simple fixture like phone holders. Cheers ????
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Bla bla. What a bad video
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Bla bla. What a bad video
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Bla bla. What a bad video
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Bla bla. What a bad video
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I would like to move everything to this drives, but this will expensife af. They on sale on Scan for 600 quid, pre-order. I need minimum 7 xD
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I would like to move everything to this drives, but this will expensife af. They on sale on Scan for 600 quid, pre-order. I need minimum 7 xD
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I would like to move everything to this drives, but this will expensife af. They on sale on Scan for 600 quid, pre-order. I need minimum 7 xD
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I would like to move everything to this drives, but this will expensife af. They on sale on Scan for 600 quid, pre-order. I need minimum 7 xD
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I would like to move everything to this drives, but this will expensife af. They on sale on Scan for 600 quid, pre-order. I need minimum 7 xD
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I just purchased 6x’s 24tb ironwolfs for my ugreen 6800 pro, I have the 6 bay AI version on pre-order, looks like I’m getting 6x’s 30tb now for the AI Ugreen NAS once that comes out in September, and using the old one for a backup.
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I just purchased 6x’s 24tb ironwolfs for my ugreen 6800 pro, I have the 6 bay AI version on pre-order, looks like I’m getting 6x’s 30tb now for the AI Ugreen NAS once that comes out in September, and using the old one for a backup.
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I just purchased 6x’s 24tb ironwolfs for my ugreen 6800 pro, I have the 6 bay AI version on pre-order, looks like I’m getting 6x’s 30tb now for the AI Ugreen NAS once that comes out in September, and using the old one for a backup.
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I just purchased 6x’s 24tb ironwolfs for my ugreen 6800 pro, I have the 6 bay AI version on pre-order, looks like I’m getting 6x’s 30tb now for the AI Ugreen NAS once that comes out in September, and using the old one for a backup.
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I just purchased 6x’s 24tb ironwolfs for my ugreen 6800 pro, I have the 6 bay AI version on pre-order, looks like I’m getting 6x’s 30tb now for the AI Ugreen NAS once that comes out in September, and using the old one for a backup.
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seeing the promise of 30 terabyte hard drives finally come to fruition does in fact put a smile on my face I know most people would agree that a drive like this is too many eggs in one basket but for The Chronic data hoarders such as myself it’s time to build a new server
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Looks like a nice drive to use for a portable offline backup solution
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I was so nervous the entire time that you were going to knock them over. Please get a stand for them.
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It depends on what you are paying if you get a box it can work out cheaper ….the 24TB’s are about 30% off if you buy a dozen at a time ….12 of these in a Terra-master 12 bay in Raid 6 makes a decent media storage device I think …16 of these in a Ubiquiti enterprise maybe not so much …we need a new kind of raid that lets us pick how many drives of parity we have.
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The “anime” collection demands it
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Let me stop you right there. They are serial ATA drives. Raid 1 or 0, you are only at ~60 or 30TB. I can’t imagine the pool would be over software limits and SATA has been around over 20 years.
Did expect they wouldn’t work?
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“Is it too many eggs in one basket?” Given my experience with Seagate drives I’d say “not really” if you have at your data backed up on two more 30TB Seagate drives.
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Just as well you can still buy smaller capacities then 🙂
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back in day i worked at egghead where sale was WD drives at a buck a megabyte lol
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Why hasn’t solid state surpassed HDD in terms of raw storage size? More expensive perhaps?
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I’d think of the power issue this way. If two 30TB drives consume less power than three 20TB drives, your energy cost per TB of capacity is lower.
What I am somewhat puzzled about is that if the 30 TB HDD has the same number of platters and similar performance specs as a lower-capacity drive, it really shouldn’t be drawing much more power. That doesn’t make sense to me… unless the HAMR/EAMR component is consuming more energy that I expected during writes. If that is the primary reason for the disparity, I suppose I can live with that, since such high-capacity HDDs are generally for me, WORM storage devices.
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very interesting, also great useful info thanks
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I would totally buy a drive like this. I get the argument it might be too many eggs in one basket, but once it’s adding less than 1/3 capacity to the spinning rust pool that issue goes away. I normally go for price per/TB but also have to factor in the hosting cost: drive bay, host node, network switch ports etc. I run ceph and replicate by host (not drive) so chucking one of these in a spare bay or a new node will be just fine. My main question is; is it PMR or SMR?
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Nup, a shelf of 12, 10 spindles for RAID10 and 2 spare, that’s 150TB of storage goodness with a 2x read boost and no write penalty
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Helium will diffuse out through the steel walls of a container specifically designed to hold it. How is the helium going to stay in those drives over time?
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Corvus! We had one of those connecting all of our Apple IIe computers at my high school back in the late 1980s.
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The only time so far my primary backup disk has failed was a 3TB Seagate Barracuda around 2014. According to backblaze, cumulative failure rate for that model exceeded 28% which is insanely high. Not buying Seagate disks ever since, switched to WD brand. My current backup disk is 10TB WD Red Plus, going to buy a replacement ~20TB WD Red or Gold.
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The faster enterprise upgrades the faster we get trickle down.
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Seagate announced 36tb drives some time ago … where are those? and kioxia has 122tb 2.5“ drives (very expensive, but the density is bonkers, when thinking of a 8bay petabyte)
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Personally I find the clicking and clunking from my NAS drive quite relaxing….mind you I do live alone.
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I have 18 of the EXOS 16tb in a NAS at work and good grief they are noisy and loud.
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It bothers me that the CE marking and that Cq logo, which none of the AIs can identify, are swapped on the two disks.
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Pointless showing the old ads – we all know that prices were astronomical in those days. I paid $ 2000 AUD for a 486.
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if you feel those drives are too much storage I’m more than willing to pay the shipping to have them mailed to me
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Will get funny in an 8bay synology…try to create a big single volume…
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I need a few dozen 240TB drives and can’t wait for them to be available. Your complaining that “30TB is too much” is insulting. Speak for yourself.
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Why do four 10tbs if you can do 4 of these bad boys
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You sleep with hard drives. Noise is not your biggest problem.
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The smaller capacity drives are so much quieter, but if I could do 2 of these instead of 6 smaller drives, not sure which would be louder
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As someone that puts their movies and music on hard drives and I do photography….well, 30TB isn’t squat. I have way more data than that and I want to keep it backed up. I’ve lost everything before.
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Yay 30tb non shingled drives are here my nas needs a couple
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Our Backblaze outage reports from Seagaters are always the worst. I’ve never had any problems since ditching them.
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I got my first hard drive in high school (1989 or 1990) and it was an 89 MB seagate. I was seriously happy with it
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This video was stressful to watch with those drives vertically placed on the desk and the hands waving around them.
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My first PC with a hard drive was a 40MB HDD, having it added cost about $300 at the time.
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WTF? Its 2025 and only 30TB is there biggest drive. I hope bigger models come out next year!
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I don’t need 30TB drives. I prefer the 4 to 8TB for my use.
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Just cloning my old 6TB took too long when it started failing. In fact I had to retry 3 times before I managed to do it due to the drive screwing up.
During recovery from the drive it had to be forced to reallocate 2% of it’s spares to finish the job. Before there was NO warnings in S.M.A.R.T at all.
The drives are too slow for their sizes and they do not monitor the read data quality well enough to warn against data becoming unreadable until it is too late. Major fail.
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Ohhhh 840MB Western Digital connected to my Amiga 1200 …. How the turn tables since 1996 …
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First HD I installed was a 30MB. It was a 5.25 inch drive. 30TB in a 3.5 form factor. Cool.
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I’m old enough that my first ever random-access storage device was 100kbytes. Now I have a 100Tbyte RAID, so that’s a factor of… a billion!
It feels to me as though looking at the absolute numbers is unhelpful: it’s the numbers per Terabyte that matter. Will a 30Tbyte Ironwolf Pro consume less power than two 14Tbyte ones? It surely will.
However, at the moment the sweet spot in terms of price per Terabyte is around 16Tbytes. And that price difference eclipses the lower electricity bill for one bigger drive. Besides, these bigger drives don’t look proportionately faster, so twice as many 16Tbyte drives will give better performance. Generally, the people with such gigantic amounts of data that space and SATA connections are at a premium know who they are.
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Pity you can’t put that in a 2025 Synology, who are shooting themselves in the foot by putting people off buying their NAS.
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Consider the sync or resync times of these disks in a raid 1 configuration failure situation, I bet the resync time post failure would be a week or more, and then your raid array and surviving disk would also be vunerable to to a further failure, especially if we consider the high load being generated by the resync task. Do such large drives make sense?
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Thanks to a very understanding and patient partner, I’ve just been able to build a new home server with twelve of the previous biggest Exos, the 28TB version. And boy are they chattery. On spin-up or down they make all sorts of the exact kind of disconcerting grinding buzzy noises that those of us who were using hard disks thirty years ago would have said were clear signs of imminent terminal failure. But they’re not failing, they’re just… talkative.
Based on twelve disks and a mains power meter, I can confirm the power figures presented here – they seem to use around 8-10 watts when spun up.
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In my not so humble opinion you should never use these drives in a Raid 1 array. It’s just to darn expensive. R5 or R6 with at least 8 drives is where these start to make sense. But I’m a bit biasd as I have built large storage servers for a living. Just how large a storage server can be today is pretty amazing. The first hard drive I bought for my own machine was 30 MB, if I remember correctly. It was a 5.25″ full height drive. A large one in other words, and I had to house it in a ISA expansion chassis with two meters of SCSI cable going to the SCSI card installed on my A500. And no, it could not boot from that drive as this was before Comodore released firmware that could do things like that. If I remember correctly it cost about $500 and that was extremely cheap. Turned out that a company selling large amunt of computer parts suddenly found a few pallets with these drives and no one said they had a customer for them. So they sold them real cheap to whoever took them all. That man then resold them to people at less than half the normal price and still made a buck. The funny thing is that about a day after I ordered a drive and he sent it to me someone that had been on vacation started asking where all the drives he had bought for a customer were. So the retailer bought back all that were left, and they payed more for them than they first sold them for.I bet they still had something like 10% profit on the drives when they were sold to the inteded customer, but I got mine cheap.
But at work I got to play with the big boys. I remember building a server and setting up the raid array, running some benchmarks and calling Adaptec to see if the performance was what it was supposed to be. Turned out the array was larger than any they had tested and the performance dwarfed their own best benchmarks.
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30tb 599.99 on amazon the non iron wolf one
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My first PC was a Sony Vaio with a 60GB Maxtor drive, and 25 years later we have 30TB wow!
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I have huge audio sample libraries (Kontakt and Sound banks for VST Instruments) and recently also got myself messed up in Ai LLM models that are just as large and storage hungry as my sample libraries. My case is a Fractal Define XL with loads of HDD bays, my mobo (Asus Creator) only has 4 SATA sockets but also 2 NVMe sockets (filled with 2x2Tb Samsung 990 Pro’s) so I had to add a LSI SATA Raid Controller into the mix so now I have 8 SATA sockets which I have connected a mix of Seagate 8Tb Ironwolf and Skyhawk drives. Would I swap all 8 drives for say 2 30Tb? absolutely not, not even if I had 3 in a Raid configuration cos I would really need 4 and that would be cost prohibitive (3 for the Raid and a hot spare). But the same goes for the 14Tb drive, they too are just not cost effective so for now I have stuck with 8Tb so long as there all 7200rpm speeds. Since the AI models load into VRam on my GPU and I could transfer over the sample libraries I need to the NVMe as needed the hard drives are simply storage/archive so I am not concerned about them dying on me, I can easily download the data again if I needed to. Some might say but what about the cost of running all 8 drives? Simple, they usually spend most the day sleeping only waking up when I request access to them. I can understand why some might use a NAS box but for me, I just share folders over my network. But I have recently reached a point where I will need to add more drives or buy larger ones and that is something I am still debating or I simply start to be ruthless and delete data I rarely if ever use, which I know would amount to a lot !!! To me data is like a book, you buy it read/use it once and then put it away and probably never read/use it again unless its something you regularly refer to like a recipe book and yes some specific sample libraries and now some Ai LLM models and yes I also have a Music and Video library but to be honest they probably take up in total less than 6Tb between them so hardly an issue in the grand scheme of things and all things considered. At around £160 a pop the 8Tb don’t break the bank but for the 14Tb ok they only do 16Tb now and they are over £300 and for 30Tb your looking at £600 like WTF I could have 4 8Tb for that. Imagine loosing the data on a 30Tb drive? and you would really want 4 of them costing a whopping £2,400? Feck that
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I am familiar with the physical property of Helium – it is a very slippery substance which can leak thru seals which will retain other gases. Once the Helium leaks out I wonder how the performance will change.
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That drive sounds like seagulls.
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I’ve got four 20TB Seagate Exos drives in my four bay unraid server and I love them. They are a bit loud, but the server lives in my office so it’s no big deal.
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Back in my day, we only had 22tb hdds.
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I’ve considered one of these for my offsite backup, I wouldn’t need 2 since this is just my 3rd copy of the data, offsite in case there’s a fire… First copy is my redundant NAS full of 8 and 10 tb drives, second copy is an external drive that is plugged in once a month or so for an offline copy…
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I think at these drive sizes it starts making sense to have a hot spare ready. Let’s say I have an 8 bay nas with raid 6/shr2 two disk failure and upgrade everything from say 18tb to 30 tb drives. With an 8 bay I’m losing 2 disks’ capacities for the raid failure. If I give up a third bay slot for a hot spare, keeping raid 6/shr2, the extra capacity I’d get from upgrading the other five bays to 30 still gives me a good positive gain in capacity, with 2 disk failure, with hot spare. I’d rather have a twelve bay with 2 disk failure and one hot spare but I don’t. Not sure it makes sense on smaller bay devices. I don’t like the idea of going to raid5/shr1 for one disk failure but maybe that with one hot spare would also be a viable option – don’t like it but might be ok…of course that’s when you’ll get that rare occurrence of having two disks fail at the same time.
I think the best scenario with these bigger drives is have them all in one nas that is the backup to other nas devices and use 1 disk failure or no disk failure since it’s a second copy of another nas with 1 or 2 disk failures.
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The pace and cost of the iterative max capacity is a scam anyway. Always has been.
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Hi thank you for this review. Living in a appartement I am really scared of the noise. I need to upgrade a grape of 5 4 tb disk. I think I’ll keep my plan with 18 tb drives.
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Does anyone know why the EXOS drives have this annoying loud rattling sound every once in a while when idle? All of them make this annoying sound. Does the head need to be “shaken and stirred” regularly?
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I have many EXOS. But recent shopping reviews seem to indicate lower quality and more problems? Not sure what is the actual situation. I “need” to buy another EXOS (older ones from years ago probably should be retired and they have way less capacity).
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I remember the day that an IBM XT with a huge “never to be filled” 10MB drive arrived in the office. Prior to that we’d been swapping 5.25″ floppy disks as required.
Of course currently these new drives are pointless unless they get the Synology stamp of approval.
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My first HDD was 30 MB in my XT computer, I still have both :). My desktop has besides a 512GB nvme; a 2TB drive with a 128GB SSD as L2ARC/ZIL cache. My Sandy Bridge laptop has a 2 TB SMR HDD, I use it mainly as ZFS backup server. SMR????????. The replication runs, while I sleep. The advantage is, at home and on the road I have exactly the same data and VBox VMs ????. During my holiday in Belgium the i5-2520M from Dec 2011 did even run and update my Windows 11 VM, without any issue, it only took >2 hours. My 2nd backup are 4 USB HDDs 3.5″ IDE (320 GB); 2.5″ SATA (320 + 320 + 160 GB).
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We often forget to value our time – rebuilding / migrating from smaller drives will be more expensive than to start out with the largest affordable drives from the beginning!
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I have 2x 22TB HDD for my *Media* & *ROM* storage
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COD 2027 should just barely fit in that 30TB drive… at least until the day 1 DLC drops. ????
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One positive, is that now with 30TB drives, maybe the 16/18/20TB will drop in price!
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With how big files are now getting I would argue that these drives aren’t even big enough for your average data hoarder.
Anyway, Something I wanted to highlight that you mentioned in this video is about just how loud these large capacity, 12TB, 14TB, 16TB+ HDD’s from both Seagate & Western Digital happen to be
My existing 4TB CMR WD Red HDD’s from 2015 are Whisper Quiet compared to these new drives.
These new BIG capacity HDD’s are so loud and clunky in fact that I actually RMA’d my first 16TB Ironwolf Pro HDD from Seagate, strangely they did confirm the drive was actually Faulty and sent me out another drive, but the 2nd Drive was just as loud, it just clicked less often and less loudly, luckily the replacement drive has so far been just fine and has treated me well.
I dread to think how loud a system full of 4, 8, 12, 16+ of these HDD’s would be, I certainly would never risk installing them into a chassis that used rigid mounts for the HDD screws, you 100% want to have rubber (or plastic) shockproof mounts or suspended mounts to protect from cross vibrations, those mounts would need to be rigid too since these BIG Capacity HDD’s have a lot of momentum behind them once they get spinning.
Personally I am now more inclined to switch to SSD’s for my storage needs, buy pricing on those needs to drop by 25%-35% and capacities need to expand way past the ridiculous 8TB limit that Consumer drives seem to have right now.
Back in 2017 when 1TB SSD’s started becoming accessible at reasonable prices I was hoping that by now we would have 16TB SSD’s for around the £400 price point and 16TB HDD’s at around the £180 price point, but that hasn’t happened, all I care about is the raw price the item sells for and not it’s value in relation to inflation.
Either way, the consumer market still seems to top out at 8TB, and not many options exist at that capacity, I’m not sure why it’s so bad since games now average 100GB – 400GB per game for the popular Triple-A releases, GTA V, Call Of Duty, Etc. Even if those are not the games I play they do represent a trend in games getting much bigger in size so we should be demanding more storage density, and, more storage per dollar.
I guess I’ll see what the future holds, maybe by the time all my HDD’s die the price of SSD’s or other newer storage formats will be such that I won’t need to ever think about HDD’s ever again.
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Ages and ages ago, I was able to snag a fiber channel cabinet with 192 9GB 15krpm drives in it plus all the FC switches and cabling to actually use the whole thing. At that time, every single thing about that setup was exotic and expensive and there was flatly no way I was ever going to get multiple ~70GB addressable volumes like that, so of course I actually used it for a while. Let me tell you this: I could hear that thing over my SHOWER and through multiple walls, 60m away. I didn’t leave it on unless I was using it and I did eventually find someone to sell it to, but if you’re complaining about IT gear running at 50db, I’d like to introduce you to literally any switch meant to live in a contemporary datacenter.
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I can’t really ask you for that, but I would like to know how long it takes to rebuild (let’s say 80% filled) RAID5 array with those 4x30TB HDDs – would it take less than a month?
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I think it can serve as reasonable cold backup – given the fact many people have barely 30TB effectively usable NAS storage space, single drive like this can be utilized as “in-the-shelf” backup for the entire NAS – price is actually quite low compared to full-fledged 4x12TB (RAID5) NAS just few years ago,
resilvering will be a huge pain, given the rather high capacity at rather slow I/O bandwidth, so I would probably not use those in a 24/7 NAS (not even in RAID1 or RAID10),
but again, I could imagine using it as “just in case” backup for even something like 4x4TB NVME NAS
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This THIS is the reason Synology’s move to only allowing their proprietary drives in plus products is so, so stupid.
Seagate IS the hard drive standard. Not Synology.
Synology, are you listening to us??
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I mostly buy drives for the noise, good to know HDDs aren’t getting boring like SSDs.
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Old adage: Speed costs, how fast do you wish to go?
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i need just… 8 of them lol
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He shows a Synology NAS but Synology won’t allow non-Synology HDDs this year’s models and going forward. Time to drop Synology as a potential NAS!
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These 30TB iron Wolf drives are definitely not on Amazon. You must’ve bought them all up. ????
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… my NAS has 4x4TB for 12TB total storage, and I am nowhere near filling it. I know I’ll eventually fill it, but I can’t see myself doing that any time soon. (I know content creators can fill that in a half day of shooting… very different use case :))
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What an honest man, especially at the end. ????
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Hey Robbie, yes i agree the 30TB and even the Seagate EXOS X20 20TB ( i have 2 for testing ) drives cost an arm and a leg to get and then you bleed dry on the operating costs while using them, especially if you live in Germany ????????. I think for Homelab / NAS-Storage usage, you would have to go for something like Unraid, where you can set the spin-down delay to like 5/15minutes and use a “Cache” before the disks and the nightly mover, to save on power-costs. That way you get the “Storage-Increments” but dont loose massively money on it. I dont want to even think about an active array/raid where they run 24/7 … i would need a second job or so ????to pay power.
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At their benched speed, it will take almost a day and a half to rebuild an array of these things.
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Reminds me of Autocad installation in 45 5¼-inch floppy disks.
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Back in my day, if a drive made noise, it was a very bad thing.
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My DIY NAS can fit 12 mechanical drives. 3.5″ drives. If I buy 12 Seagate IronWolf Pro NT 20TB it would cost me 8100 US Dollars
This 30 TB drives would cost me over 10000 US Dollars. I would run them in RAID-Z2 (RAID 6) I would loose 60 TB of raw space. Wow.
Over 10000 US Dollars for 300 TB. Hmmm.
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Whoever wants to keep serious data on these drives shall consider these two values:
* 1 read error in every 10^15 bits read. This means, that reading your data for the fourth time, you will have read errors.
* Since you are affected by bit rot, eventually you want to run scrub on the disk once a month. This means that from the overall write capacity of 550TB, you consume 360TB just for scrubbing. And second, even with optimal performance scrubbing a single disc may easily take one week – during which the performance of the disc is heavily impacted.
So, in my opinion, if you love your data, and want to have reasonable performance, instead of buying just one or two of those discs, just by 5-9 of smaller ones and use RAID6 or Z2 / Z3 .
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I love these massive drives …. I run my home server on a single 22TB EXOS drive. It’s getting a bit full now but it handles all my media, CCTV storage etc. pretty performant, relative low power usage, especially when you consider what you could use with 3 or 4 drives in a raid. I then have a second crappier server with basic CPU and low power and once a day i backup my main drive to a second. I’ve found its not that loud, although its in my rack, i wouldn want it next to my desk or TV though.
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For me, most important is heat… as EXOS drives are bit hotter then others… when i have WD RED NAS 8TB, there was idle on like 33-35 degrees, with these EXOS im always on 44…. when raid sync was on-going for first time, i even hit 55 on one drive…
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What’s the SKU of the 30TB drive?
Neither of the links for seagate iron wolf pro found an actual drive.
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I use 24TB in production But would i want to go to 30 TB per drive unless those could sustain 300MB/s
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Was wondering did your sabrent enclosure detect these drives
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Who’s putting the nas under the bed together with their robot vacuum? 😀
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I have 8x6TB WD Gold drives, 2 vdevs with z2. Hyper-redundant; 3 of 4 drives need to fail for me to lose data. Suffice to say, I don’t think I’ll be switching to 30TB any time soon, because if a disks fail, I’d like to be able to rebuild the array some time within the same quarter… (hyperbole*)
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Anyone who stores their UHD blu-rays as remux and/or does lots of video creation/editing very much need larger and larger drives. Especially as the vast majority of NAS you review have 8 or less bays, giving you only 6 spots if you want to have the redundancy. Does it take forever to rebuild? Sure but you are talking about something that should happen very very rarely and if you have the business need you are going to have redundancy so you have no downtime. Don’t care about noise as you don’t put it in your bedroom.
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Imagine how long a raid rebuild will take if one drive failed?
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Every time I see that a next jump in size HDD’s come out, there are people getting apoplectic over the size of drives. “That is too much to risk…blah…blah…blah…”. As far as I am concerned, as long as you have a great RAID software / hardware, all that matters is how much you are willing to spend.
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I was thinking about getting some larger drives, to put into a smaller enclosure, to run in a mirror. The alternative is to move the system into a different case, which I might still do, which allows space for more, smaller HDDs. This means buying a new case though, which seems a bit wasteful. It would make better use of my fractal define case, which currently has no HDDs in it, just nvmes. It came with a bunch of HDD cages, which isn’t that common these days.
This is an attempt to move away from synology.
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The non recoverable read error rate on these drives is 1×10^15, this basically means dont ever put these in an array with 1 parity drive such as raid 5, its just not safe any more,, make sure you use a 2 or 3 parity drive setup.
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guys what do you recommend, I was planning to buy a nas or a das to have more storage (right now I have 2 drives of 12tb running on their on cases) but was thinking on what to do when I start to reach around 80% of the drives but I’ve seen that for most the das and nas that I found where I live just “supports” 16 or 18tbs, also my plan rightnow it’s just use it as second backup place so probably a das works better, also other question that I have is which raid would be better if I want to add more disks in the future, let say I bought 2 16tb drives but then I want to be able to add a third of the same size what should I use? I’ve read that raid 5 but wanted to confirm!
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The only thing I go by is $ per TB, and anything over 22TB is too high currently. I am waiting for the prices to come down. OR I need to buy one of those 45 drive Stor units. The watts per drive are not what I would care about in those cases.
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my first HDD was 20 MB ) in was 1991
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I used to write device drivers hard disks 5MB then a huge 10MB for well over £1000, for MSDOS and CP/M back in the early 80’s all in assembler, and then I wrote a network file system for SCSI disks talking upto 7 PC’s
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There’s been a lot less seagull action.
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Hdds are still relevant for hoarders and servers. When will we move on from sata3 ?
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Excellent presentation. Thank you. I think these drives are great. Plus it will help drop the pricing of the smaller drives 18, 20, 22, 24tb, etc.
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NAS are not quite. At least not synology from my experience it feels like popcorn popping.
If you put it in a pc case with rubber things that will reduce the noise by a lot.
My 2 16TB EXOS are on an open pc on my desk, near my ears… they are not making disturbing noise.
On the other hand, a 10TB WD Gold is in a plastic case NAS and it makes a ton of noise all the time.
And I think your advice is super important- be responsible with this amount of storage. Raid, backup etc…
But! The EXOS ones are indestructible for PC use. Nothing we’re doing with a PC will not hurt them like their meant to handle. So that is something to think about.
BTW important tip – on black Friday Seagate sells huge EXOS disks in a very low price. Every other year I’m buying another drive – the 299$ EXOS one that is on sale. Last year it was 20TB if I remember correctly, this year I think it’s going to be the 24TB drives.
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I had a friend back in 1980 who had a mainframe computer in his apartment.
He told me he got a 10MB hard drive for $2400.
I said “TEN MEGABYTES!!! How on Earth are you EVER going to use all that space???”
I laugh now at the absurdity of my question now.
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You can start saying a hard drive is too big when we start measuring them in the hundreds of exobytes.
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“workload – how much they are rated to have in terms of write every single year” – no, it’s not only write. it’s write OR reads. so basically measurement of mechanical wear.
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Just last week I was thinking about how far we’ve come. Started with a 40MB harddisk many years ago. With current (SSD) speeds you can fill that disk in under 0.01 seconds. And with current HDD speeds you can still fill those 40MB in less than 0.2 seconds.
Currently looking to replace my old server but have some trouble deciding on the best disk configuration. Want some often used data on ssd, but bulk/media on hdd. Must be easy to expand and not cost an arm and a leg for that. And trying to figure out what OS/system to use… TrueNAS, Proxmox, unRAID, HexOS, … must be relatively easy to manage…
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Twenty years from now, NASCompares will be doing a video entitled “Is 80 Exabyte Hard Drives too big?” ????No? Not really.
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Synology is locking down their NAS compatibility?!?
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Not for the new Synology’s. ???? ????????????????
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I believe there are 128TB SSDs nowadays, I know there are at least 32 and 64TB models. Granted, they are basically not affordable for most people who are not in enterprises (as in 10’s of thousands of dollars/euros/pounds expensive), but they do exist. I still hope they will release 16TB SATA SSDs in the future (or M.2), but I have a feeling the market for those is way too small so it probably won’t happen. These huge SSDs are most likely going to stay enterprise only. I just bought a couple of 8TB Enterprise SATA SSDs (and will get a couple more later on) for my Aoostar machine (whenever they decide to send it) to have a (hopefully quiet) machine with plenty of storage so my HDD nasses can be quiet for most of the day.
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And when you adjust for inflation, oof
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My mum worked as a teacher, once in a while she attended conventions where they showed new tech stuff for schools etc and she brought home catalogues, I remember being fascinated by storage devices (Can’t remember if they were rack mountable servers or similar) with a whopping 1TB of space (when the word Terabyte wasn’t mainstream yet) costing 1000+ euros..
Now you can buy 1Tb of flash storage for 70€ which fits in your pocket!
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Since noise is vibration, these noisier disks do vibrate more. This cannot be good for the MTBF.. Best home use would be as backup disks, spun off most of the time.
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Resilvering those drives will be a bitch.
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My dad had a Mac Classic system from work in the 90s, and it had an external HDD (I think SCSI?).
The enclosure was like 2 feet tall and you had to turn it on before the computer and it would whine creepily as it spun up.
Capacity? 20 MB!
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40 years ago in college hologram storage was going to be a thing (kinda like fusion reactors……..), gonna have to look into the current state of that as I have not heard a thing in years. Supposed to be the Holy Grail of massive storage.
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Western digital packaging is wonderful. My 24tb drives were delivered in fab condition
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The equation changes if the drive can re-silver quickly. To me, it’s not the size of the drive, it’s the resilvering time. That’s why the dual actuator drives are so important.
Even so, I could see if you use these on a backup server it might not matter on the resilvering time. Imagine backing up several servers to one with these large capacity drives.
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Instructions not clear , purchased 50 drives to annoy neighbours
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but HDDs are slow , while they get larger
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To be fair… I never thought I would need bigger hard drives.. I mean more than what was standard in a new PC Build.
BUT THEN! the advent of streaming companies and online companies quietly changing the TOS to say you are only buying a license to view. You do not OWN the things you buy.
That is when I became a PACKRAT! I store all my Music CD’s all MY Movies all my kindle books and all my audible books. All on my OWN CLOUD.
I do not necessarily need speed but I need TB’s and lots of them.
I have what I consider to be a modest collection of DVD and CD’s and audio books Kindle books etc consuming 2/3rds of my 64TB volume
Was it expensive… marginally.. but if you take into the fact that myself and my extended family do not have to pay for subscriptions to movie or music.
And with the peace of mind that some massive corp wont be able to YOINK things I paid for…. it is well worth it.
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I’m not sure you can argue that 30TB is too many eggs in one drive when that could be said even about a 2TB if the drive has that one critical file on it when it fails.
I guess if the price comes down sufficiently then you’ll implement redundancy and backups just like we do now with current 8TB etc drives.
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Got 7 x 10tb drives in my pc… Might need a update to those drives
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And, back when a PC-AT ( remember the 286 processor ? ), 2 x 5.25″ floppies and no hard drive, that was $10,000 in Canada.
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I just need one more 24tb to
fill my 918+. Just a home user with growing media from
photography and videography. I could clear out some early raw images but there was less in the early days but they are not compressed and I’ll probably waste time on that to
get back little in return of space. So I went from 12tb drives, to 24tb
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It’s pretty wild there are drives like that, I got 2 *12 TB and they are noticeable noise wise. How much of that is the size and how much a mirror setup is noisier is on the side of the raid issue
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You need a lot more than that for a decent porn collection
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Let’s be honest, if you’re buying this size of drive at crazy prices, you’ve probably got the cash to be building plenty of redundancy. These aren’t really aimed at your average user and definitely not aimed to be used as a sole drive in any scenario.
The only hope I have is that the more these crazy drives come on the market, the more something like a 16tb can start being affordable to me with price drops.
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im starting to see 36tb drives now too, they are like $800 usd but its still nice to see
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I currently have a UGreen DXP8800 Plus 8 Bay with 5 filled bays (So far) 28TB EXOS (each drive) in JBOD BTRFS format with 127.2TB of usable space plus two SSD cache drives in Raid 9900 Pro 1TB. So far so good, using for backing up my 4K BluRay collection with no issues.
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Nice overview of the new drives. The prices show are without inflation, since 1982 the inflation index is 3.3x. You did forgot to mention rebuild times. That is why the super-scallars are the main target for this drives, they have multiple levels of redundancy and can afford long rebuild times with little performance degradation or risk. On a RAID 5 with 75% utilization the build time will put you deep into “second drive failure” mode. RAID six will support a second drive failure but you are in “pray mode” as the array rebuilds. Clearly if you have an enterprise SAN system system with multiple levels of redundancy or a Jelly Fish NAS from OWC you probably already know your are good.
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I’m still waiting for higher transfer speeds…
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Of course, it’s difficult to assess the noise from a video, but I think drives may have reached, more or less, a noise ceiling. My paltry 16Tb Toshiba MG series Enterprise HDD rattles away in my plastic DS423+ case like crazy. During a Hyper Backup integrity check, it reminded me, as it thrashed away, of a tiny drummer bashing away on a loose-strung snare drum. The plastic case added a bit of resonance to the rattling drives.
BTW, I greatly reduced the thrashing via use of read/write caching on my DS423+. The difference is significant.
Also worth remembering that the noise test you perform is an absolute worst-case scenario. Most workloads won’t see anything close to that.
Great video BTW.
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If the 30 TB make you iffy, keep with the 3-2-1 backup plan.
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Initialize a new array with these drives and go on a 2 week vacation…….. ????
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I HAD a Terrramaster 4 bay DAS. I install 4 18 hds. For a month it was fine. One day my pc had rebooted. Error message by Win 11 clock saying not enough power. The DAS never showed up. It ended in the dumpster. All hds are back my tower as single drives. loud humm; yes. no errors. Just a bad taste in my mouth.
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Seagate Ironwolf Pro 30 TB available from SCAN
Product available now (delivery in 1 day within UK) for £636 + delivery
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Beginning of this video gave me PTSD flashbacks of me spending $800 for my first 20MB hard drive, granted it came with a sidecar enclosure (Amiga 500) and all that good stuff, but yikes, that was a lot of money for a nerdy 18 year old to spend for minimal benefit, hell a 3.5″ “floppy” disc was 1.4MB so it’s not like I could move all my games and stuff over to a hard drive.
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The HDD in my first PC was 1Gb and I thought it was the canine’s cojones at the time.
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They keep increasing the capacity without changing the archaic SATA technology.
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Holy mackerel ????
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Of all the technologies, the hard drive is imo the most interesting.
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i feel like they are getting too large for the sata 6gbps connection since full connection to wright basically 26tb of information at the rated 26-MBps would take 27 hours straight. let alone rebuild times in weeks if something dose happen.
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I think my first HDD was 50MB 🙂
Those were the days ????
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For my Plex library there is no such thing as too much space ….there is always room for more
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Are they noisier than the 24 TB variants?
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That’s more like it, Robbie. The Synology drive lock-in policy is “bonkers!” 🙂
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It was a scam to buy computers back then. You can’t expect users to find the entire computer development industry. Good thing i didn’t have to wait to long for better prices. It’s crazy to charge so much because it’s new.
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yes inndeed! I’m old enough to remember when a 16K )yes, that’s Kilobytes) memory expansion pack for the |Sinclair ZX81 cost £70. I also remember installing, with trembling hands back in 1987, a whopping 1Mb RAM expansion card that cost over a grand!
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Like this comment if you think the HD sound is actually soothing…
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I have just added 2 20TB drives to fill my synology 8 bay and discovered A volume limit of 108TB it depends on the microprocessor address range. More modern CPUs are probably twice that 216TB but at 30TB you still hit the limits if you want a single volume.
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we need cheaper 8tb ssds as well
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The lack of *any* manufacturer info regarding Helium leakage over time adds an extra layer of concern for me with these high capacity drives (the helium molecule being so tiny, it passes through its enclosure, even steel).
Is there any info on this that I may have missed?
Great initial review btw, *thank you*
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The lack of *any* manufacturer info regarding Helium leakage over time adds an extra layer of concern for me with these high capacity drives (the helium molecule being so tiny, it passes through its enclosure, even steel).
Is there any info on this that I may have missed?
Great initial review btw, *thank you*
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$600 in 1990 for a 40mb drive in my Mac SE????
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30 TB for my 8 bay nas running raid 6. YOU’RE THE REASON I WILL NEVER AFFORD RETIREMENT! LOL. Jist waiting for the price of the 16 TB drives to be more affordable.
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for those of us with small systems that cant afford having 5 different $4k NAS systems these are great, I use these for Media storage the more space you can get in fewer drives is fine for this my use style is basically Archival Storage of Videos and all these people complaining about it being to much of takes to long to rebuild must have loads of money to buy all these NAS systems and all the HDD for them.
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30Tb in a single drive is perfect for off-site backups. I recently purchased a 20Tb drive to backup a pair of NAS’s. One has around 12.3Tb of data, the other only around 2.6Tb. The first time I attempted to backup both, I ran out of space on the 20Tb drive. Research into this showed that the 8K cluster size default was gobbling up space like crazy, resulting in 12.3Tb of data using 15.7Tb of actual disk space. Problem solved now using the smallest (2K for the XFAT file system used) block sizes, but still, the added bloat of the blocking factor only leaves me with 1.7Tb of space on what I first thought was a drive that would last me years. Now, I wish I’d bought the 24Tb version.
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As someone who runs 5 22tb gold wd a up from there excellent 16tb gold and 2 4gb flash as buffer storage, it’s been excellent the extra onboard ram is a big improvement more than the space . Recalling data has been extremely quick, it all depends on your backup and data storage, as library and plugins 3dstudio are truly huge an average 12 tb project takes less than 3 mins to restore
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Did he forget to say what price they are listed for?
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“640k ought to be enough for anybody” (2025 edition) ????
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12tb already takes an uncomfortably long time to rebuild on failure. I’m most likely one of the few that doesn’t wait for a failure and replaces drives every few years so I don’t have a failure. I would never want to use a 30tb for many reasons. And cost is high on that list. W/out knowing the price I know it’s going to be ridiculously high.
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A 16TB disk can take days to rebuild. You’re way better off just buying a JBOD, or using a larger case and just running more ‘smaller’ disks like 22TB
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At this point, especially for NAS work, 30TB is too much.
the rebuild time is very long, and with this, there is a higher chance of another disk failing due to the pressure and the enormous amount of data.
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The real question you should ask yourself is what your probability for a triple drive failure during a vdev resilvering. Even at 4% annualised failure rates, it’s essentially nothing.
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I want just 6 in my JBOD.
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Tempting. But given the shenanigans I’m going through with my 8TB HDD, I fear the diagnostics and stuff for a 30TB drive….
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Muahahahahaha ha!
Yes, YES and YEEESSS!
Amazon cloud, eat your heart out.
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Maybe I have OCD in disk management, all my disk are upgraded from 1TB — 2TB — 4TB — 8TB –16 TB, these 30TB makes me very uncomfortable
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I like the old school sound it makes.
Rebuilding a SHR volume might take a while though.
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All my nas in one hard drive… man! I thought we had reached the limit of the size of mechanical hard drives, there is no more physical space there!
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I used to have a Quantum 800Mb drive in 1999… Man I am old… Incredible how far HDDs and SSDs have come.
Also first I guess…
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*THINGS JUST GOT BIGGER* ! Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro Hard Drive Review https://nascompares.com/review/seagate-30tb-ironwolf-pro-hard-drive-review/
Seagate 30TB Ironwolf HDD YouTube Review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_1Kcva2xM
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*THINGS GOT BIGGER* ! Seagate 30TB Ironwolf Pro Hard Drive Review https://nascompares.com/review/seagate-30tb-ironwolf-pro-hard-drive-review/
Seagate 30TB Ironwolf HDD YouTube Review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_1Kcva2xM
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Hello, Is possible to insert these HDs into a Synology 916+? Thanks
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SPECTACULAR PRO level explanation!
For us puny mortal consumers closely listening —this was enterprisely illuminating… and frankly, Drivine. ????✨
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I already have a 200TB NAS and its too small 🙁
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I can’t justify having less than 96TB storage when all the smaller drives are dramatically more expensive per-TB.
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Man, please, say that: NNNN(clack)iccce! (8D
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Plot twist, they were secretly “refurbished”
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There is a huge difference missing between exos and ironwolf pro
Exos is delivered as is, ironwolf pro come with the health monitor feature and a several year free data recovery promise in warranty case
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Is this info still accurate in 2025?
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Im gonna stick it on a PC
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How to copy all data from my old hard drive without getting copy errors
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Lets talk about backups
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You talk about enterprise being noisier but then you have tested the synology hat500 vs both red pro + IronWolf pro and Ultrastar + exos, finding the synology equal to both red pro and Ultrastar which should mean those two WD driver are equally loud? Wouldn’t that make NAS drives equal to enterprise in loudness? Which would make the enterprise pain better?
Maybe the noise argument only applies to consumer drives vs NAS/enterprise? Or even just to 5400rpm? Or maybe # of platters is the only factor?
Without answering these questions that segment in the video just adds to the noise (pun intended)
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I want to put it in a windows PC actually
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does anyone know how he got the 24tb drive to be recognized by the nas 923+ because every time i try to install dsm it says it’s incompatible
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I’ve actually got 4 of these on order for my DS1522+. I’ll keep one bay open since I thought 5 would be overkill (RAID5).
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Most pro drives have slightly higher performance I think?
I know they’ve done a lot of rebranding where stuff like the segatte beracudda and western digital blue which are kinda crap budget basic hard drives are being marketed as mainstream.
If that’s your reference point yeah it makes sense. But those are budget, and normal consumer devices exist above that, and then above that is pro and enterprise stuff like the segate exos, or the wd hellistar
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They tend to basically be the same specs but pro drives do tend to be ever so slightly faster. And both are usually rated for the same endurance but sometimes enterprise drives are rated higher.
Also, pro drives are a lot quieter while enterprise drives sound pretty awful. They sound like they’re broken by default since in a data center it doesn’t matter and other things are much louder.
If you can go pro drives. If data integrity are key and noise doesn’t matter like in a far away nas go enterprise. I like enterprise because you get pro level performance but you can get them very very cheap buying those they made but didn’t sell or buying used ones especially if it’s not mission critical like a mass game drive.
And you can buy 3 refurbished hard drives for the price of 1 new. If you just have a parity of raid 1 so for for a 4 bay nas you could have 2 die on you at the exact same time and not lose data. RAID 1 also is very easy on a cpu.
I’d feel pretty safe having a mass backup of 2 refurbished or lightly used enterprise drives both having the same data. I use ssd anyways but I have some old hard drives so I just use those as backups expecting they’ll die any day now.
All things with moving parts die. Don’t expect more than 5 years out of a new hard drive.
And the scary thing about buying a bunch of new hard drives is hard drives tend to fail at the same time. By getting refurbed and lightly used you’re getting different dates. Also a good company like server part deals will actually do a 30 hour burn in to confirm they work even on open box (you can ask that they don’t) but it guarantees you don’t get a bad drive on arrival which happens all the time with new drives.
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They tend to basically be the same specs but pro drives do tend to be ever so slightly faster. And both are usually rated for the same endurance but sometimes enterprise drives are rated higher.
Also, pro drives are a lot quieter while enterprise drives sound pretty awful. They sound like they’re broken by default since in a data center it doesn’t matter and other things are much louder.
If you can go pro drives. If data integrity are key and noise doesn’t matter like in a far away nas go enterprise. I like enterprise because you get pro level performance but you can get them very very cheap buying those they made but didn’t sell or buying used ones especially if it’s not mission critical like a mass game drive.
And you can buy 3 refurbished hard drives for the price of 1 new. If you just have a parity of raid 1 so for for a 4 bay nas you could have 2 die on you at the exact same time and not lose data. RAID 1 also is very easy on a cpu.
I’d feel pretty safe having a mass backup of 2 refurbished or lightly used enterprise drives both having the same data. I use ssd anyways but I have some old hard drives so I just use those as backups expecting they’ll die any day now.
All things with moving parts die. Don’t expect more than 5 years out of a new hard drive.
And the scary thing about buying a bunch of new hard drives is hard drives tend to fail at the same time. By getting refurbed and lightly used you’re getting different dates. Also a good company like server part deals will actually do a 30 hour burn in to confirm they work even on open box (you can ask that they don’t) but it guarantees you don’t get a bad drive on arrival which happens all the time with new drives.
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If I install 10 of these with parity, ZFS will leave me with up to 3TB of usable space.
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…. and Seagate shipped 36 TB drives last week making this video obsolete 9 months later. 50% more capacity! 😀
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Oh yes I do ????
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Hi 🙂 Can you share what NAS would you advise to be used with 2 Seagate EXOS 7E10 drives? Thank you!
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which are more noisy? enterprise or pro?
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Skip to 3:13 for the actual video.
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I put 6 of these in my UGreen DXP6800 Pro and 4 in my UGreen DXP4800+. No problems with compatibility and getting transfer speeds as advertised in a btrf Raid 5 config. Expensive yes, but was worth the peace of mind for future proofing for me.
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As it happens my (two) NAS are 24TB each. I have just bought a 24TB Seagate to use as a third backup. I will keep this offsite and bring it in monthly to backup the NAS. I also bought an ABS protective case for it at a total just over £450.
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so why can’t you put 2x24tb to inside your gaming pc i have a Seagate 10tb and 6tb and also a 2tb in my gaming pc + 2tb mvme for c/drive and a 4tb mvme for Imediat stuff
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Mewy są najlepsze.Pozdrawiam z Polski,jeśli wiesz gdzie to miejsce w ogóle jest!
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A long time ago I told my mother that nobody needs 128kb ram (Apple II). I was wrong.
I’ve currently got 12 hard drives on my computer, 19 backups, 8 replacements, 1 for emergency use. Nearly half of those are between 10 and 16tb. I can see using some 24tb drives.
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My storage journey has been 4x 2TB essential mybook or whatever they were called, eventually upgraded to a Synology DS1512 with 5x 3TB WD Reds, a few years later upgraded it to 5x 6TB Reds, and eventually sold that NAS and moved fully to the cloud while google had unlimited storage for 10usd/month for Gsuite. Now I’m paying 90usd/month for that 30TB drive storage and seriously considering moving back to a proper NAS. I was thinking maybe the UGREEN 4bay with 3x 24TB drives in RAID5, keep a hot spare, and maybe eventually add it to the array if I run out. Should be enough storage to hold me over for a few years.
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RAID rebuild time gonna be wild
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Would like to see another review with these hard drive on a OWC 8 Bay Thunderbay DAS. Thanks! Great Video!
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Is this Hard Drive good for a DAS?
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actually i have 8 of those. and 6x 16tb ones. Once you start madness you can not stop. I loved the start of the video. When he sayed “You have got a problem”. I just thought do I?. Nah I am good.
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2% Download Space Of Chess 2
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I’m about to buy the Synology 923+. Do you think two 22TB Toshiba MG HDs will be fine?
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Probably is too big ????. 16TB seems the sweet spot on pricing per TB at the moment. I’ve just built a Synology DS1522+ NAS using 5 16TB IronWolf Pros in RAID6. 4 times the storage of my existing NAS. Should last a while ????
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Great stuff. As long as you do not need to rebuild a pool using these drives. Resilvering will take a minute… LOL ????
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Is the Seagate IronWolf Pro 24TB drive compatible with the Synology DS1618+ NAS? Synology only goes up to 20TB maximum drives in their compatibility list, however the spec sheet for the 1618+ does not reference a drive size limit, but rather a single volume limit, which is 108TB. Thanks
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Can I add a single “Seagate IronWolf Pro 24TB Enterprise NAS Internal HDD Hard Drive – CMR 3.5 Inch” to my HP OMEN 45L Gaming Desktop?
I know it is for NAS/RAID but want to use it as a “regular” single HDD, if possible.
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Seeing others said helium is much smaller molecule than steel and gas leakage is a possibility. But the long time usage of these hdd didn’t show as a problematic case.
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What about the noise?
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im interested in this cuz once i start making bread i might buy myself all most a server size worth of those drives to download as much custom content as there is available for a game called black ops 3 zombies custom maps/mods, kinda want to see how many items you can subscribe to before it bricks steam/bo3
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Converting my Lord of the ring UHD DVD to about 125GB a movie. Yes you do!
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I think that taking only a little over a day to rebuild is actually very impressive for such a huge array. I remember builds taking that long back in the day using SCSI drives and the pool was gigabytes not terabytes.
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10 platters is crazy. I just took apart a 6 year old dead 12TB drive from my nas and it had 8 and that seems super cramped. Also did u miss type helium or is that just a different spelling
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1. In a NAS, reliability is #1. These WD Red, Red Pro and WD HC enterprise drives are using helium. 2. Use CMR even up to 24TB sizes. When i bought my WD 10TB HC drives, at that time > 10 TB used SMR. SMR???? don’t rhink about it. #2 warranty. No matter what the price, check that your vendor is a certified vendor or WD may say YOU get no 5yr warranty. THIS IS BIG. Check before you buy. If the price seems to good to be true, duh…avoid these vendors.
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No such thing as “too big”.
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22tb ironwolf pro and I still have 2tb left to fill lol
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I’ve got a DS920+ and 4 of these 24tb’s are rocking up today. Why shouldn’t I fill the NAS up with these drives? I’m a wedding videographer btw and eventually intend on upgrading to an 8 or 12 bay system.
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Stop saying froo !!!
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2050 year:
Samsung Galaxy S50 with 96 TB storage inside:
– Seagate, hold my beer please ????
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They sell enterprise drives as a white box offer sometimes. The warranty isn’t as good but I think its the same drive.
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Unfortunately I need that amount of storage. My looped 4K YouTube videos are a minimum of 200 GB 5 hours long if I bump it up to 8 hours even more gigabytes per video. Great channel by the way lots of information just trying to figure out what I need because my 14 terabyte hard drive it’s running out of space soon.
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More like *always* cheaper. In Scandinavia at least, I have never once seen pro drives cheaper than Ultrastars or the even cheaper Exos drives.
To me there’s absolutely no reason to ever get pro drives over the better enterprise drives.
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How would you rate the noise level?
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I have the 16TB NT001 version of this drive and allow me to inform you that they are NOISY AF!
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Absolutely not! It’s not very big. Due to the amount of data, videos, information and programs that require space to be stored, 24TB is already a small space for a storage unit. And the need for space only increases. Day to day. never stops.
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You are FUNNIER THAN HELL! Thank you for this.❤
My name is Dave, and I am a Media Hoarder Whore!
This is for my film collection, also I burn all my Blu-rays to a hard drive, and all TV, plus one NFL season of the Bears, (yeah, I know! LOL!) takes about 300GB. I watch EVERYTHING off my computer because I play it with Power DVD-22! It has a setting that tweaks the contrast and detail PERFECTLY.
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I just got this Drive what External Cooling Case is compatible with this Drive. Using as a backup for my Synology NAS tks for the great vids you put out…
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???? Key points for quick navigation:
00:17 *???? Enterprise-grade hard drives can sometimes be cheaper than pro series drives despite better performance and durability.*
00:45 *???? Pro series drives often have lower performance, durability, and sustained performance compared to enterprise drives.*
01:14 *???? Examples show enterprise drives often cheaper, e.g., 20TB WD UltraStar at £394 vs. WD Red Pro at £469.*
03:22 *???? Pro series drives are subject to dynamic pricing based on demand and popularity of certain capacities.*
04:44 *???? Enterprise drives’ price per terabyte tends to decrease with higher capacities, unlike pro series.*
05:55 *???? Bulk purchasing by data centers leads to lower prices for enterprise drives due to high volume orders.*
08:41 *???? Enterprise drives are noisier and more power-hungry, designed for sustained industrial use, contributing to their cost efficiency.*
09:51 *⚙️ Pro series drives are quieter and consume less power, making them more appealing for home users despite higher prices.*
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96 TB is too much…… until you start to run out of space
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Reason 5 : they may sell your refurbished prefail drive and pretend they are new ! When you buy an enterprise drive : CHECK your warranty ! Last 2 exos drive i bought as “new” felt like a scam. First one was reading thousand of hours of powered-on time on smart data and an unusually large number of recorded correctible error. When i plugged it in, it was not blank, there was an empty partition table. When you type the warranty number on seagate website, it was showing that the drive was almost 2 years old and warranty was not provided by seagate. Probably not seagate fault but a scammy seller for sure.
A second exos drive i bought as new, appeared as new with clean smart data, but i discovered after that warranty was unsupported from seagate. So i’m pretty sure i got a recertified one instead of a new one.
I’m unconfortable buying more because if the uncertainty. I had a few drive failure before but never bothered checking the warranty before it was too late, now i’m wondering if they were failing refurbished drives. There are many good price on them (france/europe), but I would be willing to pay a bit more to be 100% sure that the seller was not lying about providing new drives.
If you have recent exos seagate drives, go to seagate warranty page NOW and type the serial number (written on the drive label or just display it in your OS without opening your case).
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Thanks for the info!
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So eventhough it does not show in the Synology Compatibility list it still works, are there any long term consequences of installing a non compatible HDD like this one? Imean data corruption, etc
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3:18 5:45
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Basically no reason. Just buy a Enterprise drive.
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So, if it is not compatible with synology, how did you get it to work? Can I get this for my synology nas?
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Looking good man, keep up the good job
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Hello, can this be used as a simple external HDD, for storage? And why some websites states 256MB cache and other 512MB cache? Thanks
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My various hdds of linix isos are over 24 tb. so ya it be nice to have that drive to condense everything
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There is a safe space for us… its called r/DataHorders
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My main NAS has about 120 TB and is 90% full. If I replaced my 8TB with all 24TB’s, I could move up to 360 TB. Hmm…
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thanks … well explaining
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We all need 90+ TB for our cat >videos…
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seagulls aren’t real
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B Gates told me I would never fill a 40mb hard drive.
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“droive”, “terraboi’e”, “pla’e”. this guy must be from the same tribe as the scaffolders fixing our neighbours’ house.
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This hdd can used in desktop.
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There is no such thing as a too much storage space!
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24 TB that has to be backed up. Ugh.
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Only £3.99 on Ali Express……….
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Is this the nerd version of hoarding? So much por… i mean games and movies you can download
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Takutnya blom penuh sudah rusak duluan
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are regular consumers allowed to buy just one enterprise drive? where can I get those???
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Video can easily chew that space up if your into production
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Piratebay NAS ????
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You forget there was a time when 4-8 MB was in insane storage size. The bigger the storages capacity goes, the bigger the files will get . Like games and softwares files got bigger and more power hungry as the storages got bigger and hardwares more powerful.
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Nothing is too big. We better start having 50tb drives soon.
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HDDs still undisputed kings of capacity
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omg, it’s too big!
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How long to write to until full? The technology is just too slow and unreliable. There needs to be something new.
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With BTRFS and soon BcacheFS, it just makes sense to always buy the biggest drive available to add to your array or to replace a failing drive. ZFS doesn’t have that capability, but that’s a huge defect. Say you have 6x8TB drives from 6 years ago. One drive fails. Replace it with a 24 TB drive, and your whole array increase to about where it should be by your normal addition of data.
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What about my Swann security box.
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????..more more more….
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Thank you for this video. So you went ahead and put these drives into 923+. The system complaind you went against compatibility list, but the it showed you green healty icon nevertheless. So I’m good to go with these to put them in my 923+???
Any red or orange icons with other Ironwolf oro drives?
Thanks in advance.
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The concept of having too many eggs in one basket comes to mind.
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No, it will take too long to rebuild when a 24 TB disk fails and if you have lets say 11 of these in a storage array it might have hundreds of concurrent file operations / handles…
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Let’s put this in perspective, just one show the Game of Thrones in 4K is about 1TB. Yes, 96TB is not enough for a movie collector.
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30 TB will be the entry level for consumer level HAMR drives…if they ever get around to sell them. Guessing they’re trying to milk the CMR technology a little longer.
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This mechanical spinning drives are getting so large that it’s now a massive amount of data that you can lose when the drive fails.
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This is what Hard Drives should have been about all these years. They are horrible and always have been horrible as System Boot Drives, But raw storage is where they really shine.
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Take forever duplicate data to drive to drive before break down. Too bad no ssd version.
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Great review, nice and concise !
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Did you used to be a second hand car dealer on Tottenham Court Road?
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Pft 61.44TB solidigm SSD for me..
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Ummm Mosaic?
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Can’t wait to have a 2 terabyte game in 2030
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I demand 100TB per drive!
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I have 500 gb of external ssd and it is getting less because of naked girls recording which so all holes and front bumps at live hot cams, in 3-5 years hope 2 tb be cheap as my 1 tb ssd that is 70 euros from phillips..,
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Buddy … I have 24 of those in my NAS, and looking for a couple extension cabinets …
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4x 24TB storage? That’s ideal for my cat picture collection.????
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Activate windows
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How do you clone, raid, backup, mirror, 24tb discs???? It would take too damn long!!!! That’s why smart IT guYS go with 4-8tb drives
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In a decade or so they’ll be selling petabyte drives and none of them will be hard disk based. It’s amazing how much storage a high end HDD can have, but they are near a practical end and eventually it will all be solid state. Coupled with the speed advantage that SSD’s have, and the fact they are way less’ likely to die on you in, say, 10 years. I’ve owned several dozens of drives in the last 42+ years and I’d wager just less than half died within about 8 years. But, most HDD’s made these days are much more reliable than drives of the 90’s. The byte/dollar has favored HDD’s over SSD’s and still does, but over time that advantage has declined and I’d bet we’re just a few years away from the crossover point and then SSD’s will be cheaper per byte than HDD’s, not to mention 10X as fast!.
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It is crazy that the One TB hard drives have been out since they were introduced in 2007, and computers are still being built with them, and even smaller sizes. Computers are being made cheaper and not last as long.
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these sea gate drives are crap and die fast
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Bud, in the last 4 months I’ve filled 8 tb. At this rate, I’ll do 24 by the end of the year. I like my movies KRISP.
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I edit videos. A lot of them. And I have no use for this much storage… what are people doing? Are they keeping their proxy/render files after they’re done editing?
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Nice delivery. It would have taken an American presenter at least three times as long to drawl his way through that.
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I wouldn’t mind having a 72TB Raid5, I just can’t affort it. ????
These Synology NAS are great, too; but their “compatibility” stuff is just plain bs. Also there is no way these DS systems couldn’t be sold for half the price and still make a profit; same goes for the Seagate drive. So thanks tech companies from outpricing me and gatekeep me from having nice suff. ????
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0:15 what if I have a Plex system with a lot of 1080p series and movies ? We do need for some cases big nas hard drive…
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I can replace an old 2U 12 HDD backup server with a cheap 1U 4 HDD server thanks to these drives, rackspace is money too.
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LOL, 96TB is too much storage, me quietly sitting over here with 180TB home lab server. and planning an expansion for next year
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no such things as too big
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96 TB? In a nas would you even be able to write to all those bytes before the EOL of the drives?
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Thats not to much space, i remember buying my first 200gb drive and thinking i will never fill this up!!!!! ????
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Can’t have enough storage ????
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Unless your a gamer cause a gamer could fill that easily
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Me see big number, me happy 🙂
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That’s what she said
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Everyone has a Use Case for a product variation, and I HAVE a Use Case for 24tb HDD’s. A very long story short, I am a Commerical fashion photography shooting a medium format (very large files) camera. I have an 8-bay OWC NAS attached to a data center MacMini server, and that is loaded with 8 x 18-tb HDD’s in RAID5. In my home office I have several NAS’ between Active & Cold storage with a mixture of 8-tb & 12-tb HDD’s. I just consolidated all of that data onto a 4-bay NAS with 24-tb drives in RAID5 with space to spare. I sold off all those other drives, and enclosures. Everyone has a Use Case, and in my case, I have the money to purchase 24-tb HDD’s. I look forward to the day when/if the 32-tb HDD’s come out, so I can condense my future data.
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You’ll get 32 TB of tears when it suddenly fails with no chance of being recovered????
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“you know its baaad!”
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Imagine the game storage…..
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All the porn you could store. ????
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So many read-write heads on that thing, so many possibilities for failure.. and those tiny little helium molecules slowly percolating their way out of that hdd enclosure over time. That’s a whole lot of data hoardage to lose.
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This is a waste of space. They have been promising the 30tb+ for a while now. I refuse to upgrade my 16tb exos until those 32tb drives are out.
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Thanks for the review mate!✌
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I am getting into 8k video editing and have used 4 Tb already in a couple months
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I need 24TB drives in my 20 bay NAS system. Well, “need” might be an exaggeration ????
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I have zero faith in this drive’s longevity
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I will fill my QNAP 12 bay system with these.
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au contraire, 60TB /61,44 to be specific/ is still small
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There are 48TB SSD’s out there … Whoever is loaded enough to afford this 24T Seagate drive won’t have any problem.
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Just wondering how long it takes to fill the 4bay NAS fully with 96TB and secondly how long it takes for a rebuild of the raid cluster after a disc exchange…
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There’s no such thing as too much storage… I’m spinning 1pb… across 3 nas systems…. so that 24 and a new nas is going on my shopping list.
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I wouldn’t put it in a 4 Bay. I’d love these in my 8 Bay Synology though.
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Seagate dies in 1.5-2 years, both of my 7E8 died one of it totally can’t be read while other having tons of bad blocks. Never ever will buy this rubbish.????
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Need this because every 5 years you can replace your nas with a single drive for cheap:)
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Yes density and less drives less power is king, but the resync time must be very long that i stick with 12TB drives. Refill one 24 drive with at best 260 MB/s don’t want to imagine that.
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My concern would be if one of the drives were to go bad, would you have enough time to rebuild the RAID before a second drive goes bad.
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You do need it trust me i never have enough space when i need it the QUESTION IS IS SEAGATE STILL RELIABLE ???????????????????????????????
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That is one fat puppy. I’m going to need four. Maybe six.
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I want to be a data hoarder, going to get a NAS server soon and this channel has been great! I want to get these ha!
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I feel like I’m watching a Chinese film.
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The problem with the 96TB would be that they consist of SEAGATE HDDs.
Had 2 Seagate HDD and both of them failed after 1 month.
Just look here:
https://www.recoverylab-datenrettung.de/wp-content/uploads/Welche-Festplatte-ist-am-sichersten-RecoveryLab-Ausfallstatistik-Backblaze_Q2-2023.jpg
If your data is dear to you, use WD period
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Parity checks will take a week on that ????
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how long does it take to rebuild 24tb
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Just so many tests needed. So you buy your standard Synology DS923+ with 4 TB RAM and decide to expand with the 24 TByte Seagate drives with the 10Ge expansion. RAID 10 is sold as the best of both worlds of RAID 0 and RAID 1. What is the performance in RAID 10?
Any significant performance change when you then play it ‘Safe’ and enable the Synology Antivirus by McAfee package?
When reading the DSM 7.2 manual you see that 2x SSD modules enables you to create a Read/Write SSD Cache for improved performance. You read some more of the DSM 7.2 manual then discover you can configure the system to pin all Btrfs metadata to this SSD cache for even higher performance. Now what size M2 SSDs are required in the base of the DS923+ to support your set of four 24 TByte drives in this metadata cache mode?
Now if you can’t find a calculation by Synology for the size of the required SSDs, what is your best guess and what happens when you try using whatever SSDs you actually have available? What is the change in system performance with a Read/Write SSD cache?
Actually I do have one DS923+ with a 10Ge interface that is now populated with 12 TByte Seagate Ironwolf drives in RAID 10. Wasn’t what was planned but it is where it has landed.
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CMR 100%. Use cases I could see: 6-bay ZFS RAIDZ2, single drive for a 1-off data migration backup, POSSIBLY a mirror, but you’d need to do some long-term testing. Triple mirror would be better – but then you’re kind of wasting cash with the price on these drives, bc you only get to USE ~21-2TiB of storage (before compression) but you’re paying 3x the price for reliability. At that point you might as well spend the extra to go with raidz2 and still have 4x drives for storage and 2 for parity.
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Its really up to the NAS brands to be compatible with the harddrives, not the other way around.
The harddrives are built to a spec, so why are synology NAS sooooooo picky on the drive ? Why don’t they spend the extra $5 or whatever to ensure the NAS hardware can read the 2 decade old SATA standard.
I build my own NAS’s from regular PC/server hardware and even the oldest 15year old xeon that you get for $60 is more capable than a lot of these “NAS Brand” systems. And the free opensource software is so much better too.
I guess it’s just that people don’t know where to start, but it’s not difficult at all to build your own, even from an old pc your not using anymore.
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im a data hoarder. i spend a lot of time traveling or on remote farms. i save as much media and games as i can so i have it while very remote. as long as its not shingled i will be happy. i have about 6 external 4+ tb drives full.
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Hmm. Tvs-874 with 8 of these drives…. It would be a little while before I would fill them.
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I don’t need 96TB of storage. But I want 96 TB of storage…..
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When I ran a Commodore 64 BBS, I spent all summer saving up to buy a Lt. Kernal 10MB hard drive for my download section. I was a god.
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When you’re watching the part where he says you wouldn’t consider putting this drive in a regular PC but you’re actually planning to put this drive is a regular PC ????
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I’m running mostly 20’s now, 22’s or 24’s is what I want to build my new NAS out with, but I usually go EXOS since they typically it the market at lower prices.
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Excellent video and great content. Thank you for putting this out there and keep up the great work.
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If my NAS is turned on once a month for 2-3hrs. Will it last me 100 years?
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U.2 or nimbus drive are 50 to 100tb
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Fortunately, when documenting war crimes, 96TB isn’t enough for a personal server.
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With Audio and video. 24TB is too little
Even 96TB is not too much
And yes I need lots more
And I do not have a problem
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Did Synology have an issue with Seagate drives in general or is that fixed now?
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The thing is, I would never trust Seagate with that much data.
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Come on, no one rocks out on a nas channel 😉
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Yea,c all me when the 30tb are finally available for end users.
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18 TB drives still the sweet spot on price per TB. One to two times a year here in the States, the WD gold 18tb will go on sale for $299. That’s when i grab one or two until next year. Other brands go $250-$270 on 18 TB on sale as well. I hope they keep pumping out larger size drives because that will probably push down the price of the lower capacities. Win for me. Then in 20 years when the drives fail I can start putting 50 TB drives in where the 18 TB drives used to be ????
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As someone with over 120TB of data I will love when these hit the used or refurbished market
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Having too much storage is like being too rich or too good looking. It just doesn’t happen. You can never have too much storage. I “need” at least 5 of these right now. I am currently using over 40TB and running out of space.
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Never too much! Using these drives with QNAP’s 24 bay NAS & Expansion you can have 1 Petabyte of storage EASILY!
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Even 8×8 TB is a bit much for most. I have a Blackmagic Camera and its BRAW files are not small. My “8×4-2redundant” will take a few years to fill, and by then lager capacity, cheaper drives will be next. Don’t trust drives after about 5 to 7 years.
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perfect for a lancache 😛
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You’re right, I don’t need 96TB, I need YB’s
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Yes. Synology ds1821+ Plex Server. It’s time to replace a couple of the smaller drives.
BTW, I’d like to see a short on replacing drives in a Synology NAS. Just a little confidence builder. I’ve added drives but never had to replace one.
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More space for Linux isos
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96TB of storage is not too much!!!
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Could you make a video about MEMS technology? It’s the biggest development in sound reproduction in a century.
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Data and keeping it is the new frontier. With companies forcing the “you will own nothing and like it” 96tb is nothing. We need MORE space and higher capacity drives. Research segates new hammer drives. 30TB and above!
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1. Graphs of price per TB – where’s the sweet spot
2. Price against speed
3. History of cost over time. What’s the prediction for SSD to overtake mechanical?
4. Mixed set ups SSD + HD
5. Memory again what’s the sweet spot for RAM with drives
6. Processors – sweet spot again. What if you encrypt? What if you compress? What if you de-duplicate? What’s the requirements
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NOTHING is too big ?
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There’s no such thing as too much space. I’m limited by budget, not things to store.
I have to delete non essencial stuff and compress/download smaller files to store in order to fit everything.
Today I have just 6Tb and it’s not enough, I would need at least double that to satisfy.
Maybe on day.
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I’ll wait until the price drops before going near my 1821+. With SHR-2 running I’d probably need to replace 4 to 6 of the current 12TB ones before I actually saw any additional available capacity,
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UHD blu-ray collection can eat that up like it ain’t nothin’.
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We said the same thing about 100 GB drives ????
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640k should be enough for anyone – LOL
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Nope, never too big.
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Its all about purpose. I started with a 2bay NAS with 2 x 4TB. Hit 90% full in 6 months. I then went to 4 bay NAS, with 4 x 16TB. I ended up 95% full 3 months ago.
I’ve just finished my migration to a new 8 bay custom NAS (using TrueNAS) with 8 x 22TB and room for 4 more when I need them. I’m at 65% full right now and know in 12 months will need to start adding those drives.
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I remember when 1tb drives coming out, and i used to think i would never get that – i caanot imagine losing 1tb of data in one go. No one ever needs 1tb…. But here i am with ~120tb of storage almost full.
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Lol. I am an on set data manager. I can fill one of those hard drives in a few days. The speed sounds good.
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yeah I have a problem all right I Have 160TB usable space on my nas with the ability to add 32 of these if needed down the road
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I remember some early hard drives with a storage capacity only a few megabytes these are just mind-blowing
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Ive got the 16 tb version of those and would love to know how noisy the 24tb version is
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Looking forward to the Axos x2 drives with dual actuators.
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If ur running ds418 play then u do need it. Mkv files are large
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Is it better to avoid TLER drives in a synology? Maybe their behaviour isn’t suitable for a software raid,
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You mentioned a capacity of 24TB, I’m wondering how many movies you could store on this disc if the movie is 1080p 5.1 audio. And how would it respond when searching for a specific movie from a full disc. Let’s see if the integrated memory has enough capacity for the spreadsheet?!
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“It’s so BIG~!”
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iso images of movies for a movie server…. Simples.
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Toshiba that still works after 5 years or this seagate.. i take the toshiba 😛
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I NEEEED it
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Yes, I have a problem, my wife would agree. I actually recently down sized because I am using bigger drives now. I am no longer using my 12 bay Synology. I’m kicking less heat into my home office by using a DS1522+ with 22tb drives.
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Yes please! Test this drive on the UGreen NAS too as they claim it only supports 22TBs despite other ppl asking if it supports larger capacities. Great review! Keep it up! ????
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Pfft… It’s never enough~ ????
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Could you talk a bit faster please?
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Wait people are still using SMR?!?!?!
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As a video shooter and editor the more storage I have the more videos I can shoot and edit on PC. I have a video editor build that has 7 3.5″ HDD bays so I could have over 200tb of storage for videos that I shoot. My motherboard also has 3 M.2 SSD and I could also have 4 5tb 2.5″ HDD and I also have a add-on card that has 4 M.2 slots on it. So in total my pc could have 7 3.5″ HDD 4 2.5″ HDD and 7 M.2 SSD.
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To be fair. My plex system is sitting at 8,206 movies, 783 TV shows, 228 music artists, 80 Anime TV shows. So I can always use more space. But, and I have yet to watch more then 30 seconds in, the size is an issue. I want an array that is wide, not deep. 16-18TB is the max I will go before I just get more drives. The rebuild time is a serious issue even with a fast system. Even if I’m doing RAID Z3 when we are talking north of 72 hours for a rebuild, that is an issue. We are increasing storage density but not increasing read / write speeds on spinning rust. That is the crux of the issue. The write number sound fine when you are talking writing to an array….until you factor in we are seeing a size increase year on year where writes aren’t getting any bigger for individual drives. Mostly because they have maxed out the SATA interface speed. Now SAS can do 12 Gbps with higher IOPS so that really should be where Seagate is focusing but, that isn’t where NAS manufacturers are….and would up the cost of the hardware. I suspect the market for that is limited just as 24TB drives are as well.
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Hello,
Thanks for your great effort,good job.
would you make a video on the HDD datasheet details in depth,like TB per year work load, what it really means.
also MTBF,TLER…etc
regards,
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I don’t know about the Iron Wolf Pro’s but the 24TB Exos drives I do. I have had 8 of these in the DS1821+ in SHR2 for about 3 weeks with no issues and yes I have 135TB of resultant storage and it is well used already with over 50gb on each volume already used.
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I have an unriad system with 15 bays. I am going to start upgrading all my drives to 24 Tb
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Always had bad luck with Seagate, would rather have wd red drives.
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Makes 2-bays more sensible at least :D, I use a single large drive for back-up of my 4-bay NAS so knowing I can go up to a 24GB RAID, all is good!
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Still wouldn’t be big enough to put all my Blu-ray/uhd movies on, not that I could afford it anyway.
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hello, questions about workload. are these drives get longer lifespan if you use them at say half the workload rating or it doesnt matter. and does it affect the lifespan of it if you have say (4) 24tb into a nas but only have 30-40tb total data. does it prolong their life or not? ps: im a noob at this, cheers!
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“That’s too much space” said no Plex user ever.
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4 x 18tb in a ds420+ here. Never enough space!
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Nothing about the sound of the drives?
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Roughly, if one 24 TB drive fails and you have to restore the RAID with a new one, how long would that take to restore? I assume you don’t restore in like 250 MB/s, do you? But with cmr, I guess you restore in like 24-48 hrs, a reasonable low risk of loosing one more during that time.
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Well, I’ve got 5x 16TB in my DS1522+ and I’d like more — but that’s just wanting, not needing. Currently filled about 10TB of it all. But steadily working on increasing storage use. :+
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Holding out for them Petabyte drives!
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Idk when they came out, but I see there are WD Ultrastar 24TB too, and they cost twice as much my 16TB ones that I bought last year ????
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0:14. no, its never enough. 92tb here, have only 900gb left with like 4tb of unsorted stuff.
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I’d like to see the raid rebuild times on a 96TB array ????
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I have 8 16TB Drives in my 8 bay NAS. Almost full with all my loseless Bluray and UHD Rips ????
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Don’t know about the others but throughout the years i have had terrible experience with Seagate reliability. In fact its the only branded drives i have ever had fail (many) to the point where i don’t use Seagate drives anymore (even at a great price). The more it can hold the more data you can lose :P.
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265-280MB/s is pretty impressive… Looks like we are finally reaching the point where HDDs can be bottlenecked by a SATA-2 connection 😀
However, I wish they would prioritize the development of dual-actuator drives to bring this technology to consumer NAS drives as well. Currently, with my 16TB Ironwolf Pro drives, it takes almost 15 hours to complete a scrub. Knowing that it would take approximately 24 hours to rebuild the array in case of any issues makes me uncomfortable (heck, I am even uncomfortable thinking about this with my 16TB drives :D). With a dual-actuator version, even if it’s SATA, and I need to manually configure RAID 0 on the two partitions to leverage the dual actuators, I would feel much more confident owning such a drive.
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Robbie, brief question: how much is noisy?
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sorry i have 6 drives 102 tb and filled withh junk haha
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Too much expensive, how many 8k you can put on that ? Economy never follow technology. Don’t buy everything 😉
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Synology is becoming (or has become?) the Apple of NAS devices. Crying about “incompatible” RAM, HDD brands, etc, and trying to wall-garden you into their little overpriced ecosystem. Don’t get me wrong, my DS920+ is great, but the direction they’re moving in is as clear as day. I would suggest new users entering the space to get an entry level NAS to learn the ins-and-outs and then slowly build your own hardware and using a hypervisor of your choosing.
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Bought a set of Ironwolfs lately, after my old WD’s were failing one after an other. Looks like Seagate is the top brand at the moment.
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I have all 18TB and 22TB and after filling about 250TB I realized it was a mistake. It takes too long to recover and failure rates are higher. I will go with the 12-16 TB’s that have the lowest failure rates as per the Backblaze data.
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Would like to know what the spin up time on the big 10 platter drives are as well as noise levels.
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In the late 90s and early 2000s I was a WD fan but afterwards I became a Seagate fan and bought a bunch of Seagate hard drives. Then I had the failures, several Seagate hard drives failed on me in the 2010s. Some I could fix with doner boards but it got to the point that you had to move the chip over from the old HD on the doner board which is easy to screw up. Also, Backblaze shows that Seagate is garbage with their drive stats. That was it, I am done with Seagate, I wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole. I am now back to WD and they have been great. I have not had one WD drive fail on me. My experience has taught me which company to give my money and that is WD!
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With all the 4k films and TV series I have on my 2 bay NAS, realistically in my case I think 16TB (8×2) would be sufficient. This may change later but I have been using a NAS for about 6 years now
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Bye bye data ????
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I have 3 x Dell MD3460s, each with 60 x Seagate exos 8tb sas drives. I.e 180 x 8tb hdds or 1.44 petabytes
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I mean why not, great density. I don’t have unlimited space so larger drives in smaller NASes appeal to me
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As a self certified data hoarder I AM going to get this hard drive into my NAS, great video as always!
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But I need to archive as much as possible and have redundancy, backups and spare drives and nases for when the collapse of the world happens…
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that “family movies” won’t fit in anything less than 300TB ????
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As with any other “pro” drives, I’d skip it and get the cheaper and better enterprise drives.
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24TB? Pfft Bring on the dual layer 3d magnetic recording 120TB+ drives please, I need them yesterday.
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Great, more stuff I want that I can’t afford ????????
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“You didn’t come to this video cause you are thinking about sticking this in a PC.”
Me: Well… about that… my games and mods drive is getting really, really big man… and I can use ssd as a cache drive for it! ????
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“You do not need 24TB drives – if you do you have a problem!” … My QNAP has been expanded over time, recently to 6x18TB Raid 5! Who needs 80TB of space … err Doctor, I have a problem! 🙂
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Even if the top capacity drives are more expensive per GB, once you include the cost of the drive bay and system supporting the drive bay, it’s almost always the best per GB cost to buy the top capacity drives unless you have dozens of drives in a system.
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I’m about to rebuild my NAS as I’ve filled up (well, gotten close to 80%) of ~70tb. If I wasn’t such a data hoarder I could probably delete about half the stuff I’m storing but that’s no fun. Going to go with 8x18tb and I can’t wait for the prices on 30’s to start to drop so 20-24’s start dropping too. Hopefully in 3 or so years when I do my next rebuild they will cost what 18’s are going to cost me now.
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Anyone tried these in a WD EX2 ULTRA?
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it’s almost scary when I think about it more,
what I would really like to know @NASCompares :
1) how long does it take to rebuild the RAID5 or SHR1 pool with one 24TB disk swapped (let’s say 80% of 72TB volume filled with data)?
2) what’s the likehood of 2 drives failing (second drive during replacement of one drive), in other words would you recommend RAID6 (or SHR2)?
3) why would anyone buy such huge drives, if obviously saturating 10Gbe needs more than 4 drives, yet Synology doesn’t allow more than 108TB volume so even something like 8 drives in RAID6/SHR2 could not be fully allocated?
4) what’s the technical limitation of such drive not reaching 6Gb SATA throughput (550MB/s read/write) with so many platters? I mean, why would anyone buy 4x 24TB HDDs for RAID5/SHR1 when they could have literally 2x faster 8x 12TB HDDs in RAID6/SHR2?
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Some of us have LARGE Blu Ray and UHD collections of FILMS 😉 … lol
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Heres the thing. At my Canadian Newegg site, Seagate is running 16Tb NAS Pro drives for $429.
And this 24Tb part is $654. The math there is not good, that 8Tb is going to cost me $225.
I get that its new and drool worthy so they will ask for and get a premium … but that price is going to come down some.
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Serious Question: Can I have a RAID 5 with 3 x 4TB drives + 1 x 8TB drive in a backup role? And if so, in a DIY or latch NAS?
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It’s my money. I do what I want.
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looking forward to the day i can have 96 Yottabytes in my 4 bay NAS 😉
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24 secs…. No, its Not too much/
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CMR? Shut up and take my money!
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You keep calling it insanity to put 24tb drives in a NAS… Why? I thought this was a NAS channel?
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imagine the plex library on 4-5-6 of these ????
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Seagate HAMR 30TB CMR drives are on the way with estimated 450,-Euro price ????
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I’ll have some if you’re giving them away fella, I could do with upgrading my lowly 16tb (raid) i’d switch the raid off if I knew how to, but £557 yikes.
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100TB5 drive current NAS needs to get upgraded to 120TB ????
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I bought 6 Seagate Ironwolf 14tb drives and all but 2 were dead upon arrival. Never used them again and have since purchased 6 14tb Toshiba NAS drives and 2 16tb Toshiba Drives and touchwood not a problem yet. 4 x 14tb are in my NAS and the others are used as a backup medium. You can never have enough space
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HELL yeah
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Hey will this work in older series Synology NAS? Like a js series or their other ARM based consumer units? I have two older js units I use them for my HTPC as backup and media long term online storage. I would use them as 1 big single 48TB dive as I already have 12TB of files. I think buying two of these drives now and using them then later upgrading the NAS will be more managable for me. Thanks for all your hard work.
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Nah. That’s *just* the right amount of storage. Once I get a NAS that supports it. But in real terms, in a sluggish array in 8/12/24, that’s a nice cluster size for large datasets, backups and medium term storage.
Just needs a Tape Drive to back it all up. After all… RAID is not a backup…
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With 60TB SSDs now ($1.2k), these spinners are even closer to sharing a room with Atari ET. Prices will only go down. The size advantage of spinners is essentially gone now.. We need to see a lot more than just 4 more TB… Is this the last spinner we ever see?
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The inner datahoarder in me says MORREEEEEEEEEE! I’m currently at 100TB’s of storage on my unraid server.
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I use a 16tb disk as a ‘take away’ disk. I sync our artwork files onto this disk and then take it home for a week. Then sync again. It’s a ‘just in case’ sort of off site backup. Big disks are good for this.
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0:14 Yes I do. Yes there is something wrong with me.
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I wish you’d test the rebuild time of the pool at these speeds and capacity. And drive speed varies. You seem to only mention the top speed from the inside of the platters. The more the drive is full the slower it is. Have you notice how slow it is at its slowest and how long it takes to fully write it? My guess is 36 hours which would be ridiculous
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Yes, YES and YEEESSS!
I want a few
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too big. Nope I want to see PB sized drives.
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nahh not just 4… 6 in my qnas i think 😀
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I can hear them seeking, clacking and spinning from here ????
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Your benchmarks are all really unrepresentative of typical use, on a drive that is 24TB copying twenty gigs of test files, or with AJA, Crystal, ATIO using small test files are all going to be extremely short-stroking workloads. RAID rebuild times would probably be a more meaningful and representative metric to test.
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I could see myself running them as raid 6 in a 5bay synology.
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I love it. It’ll save me a fortune. Got a 6 bay Synology,4×10, 2×12, 2 drive redundancy with 32 usable, 8 free atm. To upgrade, I’d need another 4 bay which costs about 500 on it’s own, plus the costs of the other drives. This is fantastic news
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Stop saying “rockling out” – it’s getting irritating!
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resilvering time too long?
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more capacity!!!!
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I’m wondering, why the Toshiba MG10 gets overlooked so ofthen when it comes to price/capacity/performance ?
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I’ve currently got 4 10TB Seagate IronWolf Pros in a DS920+, and I’m approaching maxing out (Plex server), so I’m excited about this. I’ll wait a couple of years though for a significant price drop.
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What do you mean “Who needs this?”?
That’s the equivalent to Bill Gate’s quote of “640K of memory is all that anybody will need in a computer”.
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Im a datahoarder and I NEED it! Looking forward to their 32 TB HAMR drives. Another fantastic video!
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I really do have a problem
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I can always use more storage capacity 🙂
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What about noise level in this 4 bay NAS drive? Will the noise level be a linear increase from 8tb drives to 24TB drives? ore is the noise level similar between 12-24tb drives?
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I believe someone very influential in the tech industry at one point said you’ll never need more than 16 K of ram
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I’m planning to cancel the Ugreen and build an 8 bay DIY as I want ECC. I’m also planning to use 8 of this drive in ZFS ????
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i’m exicted to have one, when i hold 12tb wd red plus for first time i’m really shock the weight compare to 1tb/2tb 3.5″ drive
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Just love the “I hate seagulls” label ????
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It’s never enough! MOAR storage please! I’m addicted to storage!
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First ????
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Great video but one thing I think you might like to cover in an update video is WARRANTY.
I recently had a pro drive frail (when I say fail I mean the cat knocked it off the shelf) and luckily it was under warranty, just.
Since then I am looking at enterprise drives as they come with a longer warranty.
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I can’t hear you even with the volume at 100 it sounds like whispering.
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Can i use exos drive like normal drive in pc for storage?
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I didn’t notice anything weird with microphone.
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today we are going to answer an easy question…
10 minutes later…
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Sooo,,, would you say that for my first NAS (Syn 220+) with one bay already filled (Seagate Ironwolf) 4TB drive, it would be absolutely fine _if not superior_ to instead of adding a 16 TB IronWolf Pro I get the Exos one of the same size? (Noise won’t make thát much difference for me, but it is in my room.) My two goals of the NAS are: storage (of currently about 6 TB video + 1 TB backup history), and connecting my LG C2 (OLED 4K 48″ 120 Hz) TV to it to watch videos (often 4K) from it?
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I only find the seagates enterprise drives are cheaper than the NAS drives, WDs seem to have it other way around, at least where Im at.
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I think a lot of the enterprise drives that trickle into the consumer market can also tend to be in batches, i.e. leftovers, overruns, supplier cleanouts from warranty stock, etc. There are deals to be found on them often, especially the size down and the two size down slots. When they go out of vogue they get dumped like hot potatoes from the bigger distributors (whatever they don’t clear from their main channels). Newegg, Amazon and any of the other physical storage connected resellers have clear advantages here as well as they get liquidated and surplus items as part of their business model.
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At around 8tb enterprise hdds overtake consumer pro drives for price per TB. Under 8TB consumer drives are cheaper which I find an interesting phenomenon. No questions that enterprise drives significantly cheaper for 10TB+
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Buy Exos. I just picked up (2x) 8TB Exos for $281.10 total – tax.
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Very good video and explanation.
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i love them i use them for my digital dvds.
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I started buying Enterprise drives a decade ago and couldn’t be happier. They have been very, very reliable.
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Hard drive prices haven’t been making sense since many years now
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TLRD; Because economy of scale. They make more enterprise drives over consumer NAS drives.
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Thanks for another great video. I was looking to get 5 x 16TB of disks for a new DAS/NAS system and the EXOS and UltaStar where both about $20 USD cheaper than the Ironwolf Pro and RED Pro per disk which for backup day were being offered at $249 each. Not sure if I made the right choice but I went with the EXOS. Hope it’s not too noisy. Plan to put these in a Synology 1522+. We will see. Enjoying your channel.
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I wonder how much more noise enterprise drives make.
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Make the comparisons on graphs and show the differences in value. The waving hand is a bit boring.
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my 4tb seagate barracuda went out, so im intrest in Xeos 8tb, im not using this for interprice but the cost of this one think is good,
do you recomend this one, just for storage and game…..
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i would have assumed that the enterprise drives would use less energy since energy consumption is very important to data centers
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What happens if one buys enterprise class hard drives because of the lower price for external storage backup? You plug them once a month in on a SATA docking, update the backup and the let them sit for a month. By logic, being them more rugged they should last fine, is that so? I never understood if being engineered for 24/7 becomes a problem when the drive is used only occasionally
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good videos, but i like it short and simple
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Why is it you have been making NAS news for so long and your microphone is still so terible…
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Having those hard drives standing upright and waving your hands around is making me so nervous lol
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I dont know seagate exos 2 tb costs 117€ seagate ironwolf 2tb costs 70€
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Right now EXOS 18TB is at 300 euros. Ordered two of them…
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Good timing on this video. I’ve been doing research for months bouncing back and forth between the WD Gold (enterprise) versus the WD Red Pro (Pro level), the pros and cons, speed, etc and the one thing I notice that the Gold is always about 10% less in cost and I couldn’t understand why. Thank you!
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There’s a little more to it, for example the Seagate – IronWolf Pro includes **Rescue Data Recovery Services.**
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At the moment i can buy a Exos 16tb for 299,- whilst the ironwolf pro’s are 399,-. Ouch.
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Are the consumer drives expected to last longer since the enterprise drives are expected to be replaced every few years?
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Ok that makes sense. thank you for the informative video. Have been binding on your videos for the last few days. time to get a new storage solution.
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Hello, i cna use a Seagate Exos enterprise as a regular external drive i have a usb c 3-5 reader and i use barracudas.
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The real question I have is… WHICH ONE IS BETTER????
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I contacted Toshiba for support questions for their Enterprise Line of HDD. They said they don’t provide support for Enterprise products and asked me to contact my Dealer or enterprise contact.
Avoid enterprise lineup if you are looking for warranty support.
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I was waiting for delivery of WD GOLD 18TB but I cancelled immediately after checking power consumption in idle mode and noise level. In long term some extra Watts convert into some extra money to spend on electricity. Additionally dB level is significantly higher in Gold models in operation mode. 16TB RED PRO has best price per TB for whole lineup. Thank you for this video.
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My Desktop computer only uses WD Gold drives. Love the damn things.
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Informative video but in a few places you are not comparing apples to apples. The WD Ultrastar drives are comparable to the WD Gold drives but you were showing them compared to the WD Red drives. The Golds are based on the technology of the Ultrastars and are similar if not identical and both are optimized for both reads and writes although the Ultrastars come in more configurations for Enterprise like SAS instead of SATA, etc than the Gold drives. The Red drives are NAS drives, optimized for reads more than writes. The Purple drives are optimized for Video surveillance so they are better for writing than reading. Also be careful when buying drives to consider not only the interface and optimizations but whether they are OEM vs Retail and the warranties involved. I have bought multiple Ultrastars at significantly cheaper prices than their Gold counterparts so I agree with the point of your video but make sure the features are the same like Helium vs Air, EAMR and other technologies that might differentiate them when determining price and what matters to you.
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Thanks for the video! Now I am really understand why Enterprise HDD a little bit cheaper than ‘normal NAS’ HDD.
Is possible to make similar nose comparison of the NAS & NAS Pro HDDs? ????
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Its all about speed if your running a buisness who gives a shit if you need to spend a further 5k to get 10gbe with ssd or nvme with 10gbe nas.. Mech drives are 10 year old tech which are ok if you raid them but you need a nas with 5gbe or 10gbe to be serious. Oh look Nas makes 2.5be a standard, like 10 years too late. Ive run mech NAs drives for over 10 years they alway corrupt.. soon as i went sdd or NVme with 500-1000mps zero errors in 3 years.
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Bulk purchases make little sense. For that to be the case, there would be a minimum buy or lower pricing at minimum order quantity.
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Interesting video and some great points of consideration.
BTW … Tutorial Suggestion … Using Tailscale to set up local to remote Synology NAS’s for scheduled offsite HyperBackups. ????????????
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I’d suppose that the consumer drives are a little costlier to support, since they add on consumer friendly warranties like data rescue and also need to field phone calls for smaller volume purchases (ex. 5 drives vs 50).
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Man, the biggest takeaway from this video for me is that you can buy NAS hard drives at Walmart…
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I find 10TB drives often cheaper than 8TB and 14TB less than 12TB.
18TB too occasionally can be found cheaper than 16TB.
These sizes from I’ve heard are the drives that often use odd number of heads, ie atleast one platter uses only 1 head (often to use up platters that are defective on 1 side).
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I just want to chime in on the prices I saw when I was buying 16 TB exos Seagate drives. I spent anywhere from $250 to 230 on five of them. I saw the equivalent Ironwolf drives for $50-80 more. Of course these are all on eBay some of them were either new or open boxed. They’re all still working right now.
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Nice video, I got a question. I have a 4bay nas synology, can I mix my 16tb enterprise with my 10tb iron wolf?
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This vid is not lip-synced correctly. Is this just for me or do others see the same?
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Seagate recovery on iron-wolf pro is not available on their data centre version I think.
That is another reason (for seagate only)
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Great video, I’ve often wondered what was going on beyond supply and demand
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They should do away with pro series and just make the DC drives cheaper like they are.
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Hallo,
im looking vor TS-464. You have it without using it. ?? Can i buy this from you?
Regards
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