Should I wait for a Synology DS922+ or just get the DS920+ NAS?
Let’s be honest, it is a REALLY good question. Right now as the first quarter of 2022 draws to a close, many users who are thinking of upgrading their existing Synology NAS system, pondering migrating over to the platform or are about to make their first NAS purchase (and are concerned with longevity) are looking at the currently available highpoint of the range, the DS920+ 4-Bay, and wondering if it is due an update any time soon. This consideration is pretty valid. Synology has generally adhered to a 2-year refresh cycle on the Synology Diskstation plus series of Prosumer/SMB solutions in 2 and 4 bay, and given the 20-22 months since the release of the DS920+ (depending on where in the world you are), it is logical to imagine that a Synology DS922+ NAS could be on the horizon for summer 2022. Synology run a pretty tight portfolio and over the last few years in the diskstation tier have created a well-spread range of solutions that tend to be around $50-100 different in price at each tier and with each being a little more ‘extra’ than the last in terms of storage supported, CPU architecture, memory or network connectivity and a lot of the layering of their portfolio in this way is made possible by different ranges refreshing on rotation. Now, the value series of solutions (Plat, J, standard) are all ranging from 1.5-4 years since their original release and with the 20+ series all gradually hitting 2 years old apiece, there is a good chance that Synology (in order to propagate that layered portfolio) will need to start releasing those 2022/2023 series of devices soon, for fear of their diskstation range becoming a little stale vs the competition. As highlighted, the currently available DS920+ is the darling of the portfolio for many, but with all indications that Synology will be refreshing solutions in 2022, a Synology DS922+ looks increasingly likely and for many that are sat on the fence, choosing between buying the DS920+ or waiting for a potential DS922+ is a tough call to make. So, today I want to go through four reasons why you should pull the trigger NOW and buy the DS920+ and four reasons why you should get comfortable, sit on your wallet and wait it out for a DS922+ NAS.
Reasons you SHOULD Buy the Synology DS920+ NAS
The Synology DS920+ NAS is a really impressive piece of hardware that, although plays it a little safe in areas of it’s hardware (I am looking at you 1GbE ports) is still a great prosumer Synology solution that is arguable the best currently fully-featured entry point into Synology NAS hardware, DSM 7 and what the brands offer that separates them from the other brands out there. Here are four reasons why you should not wait for a DS922+ NAS and just pull the trigger on the DS920+ you have in your basket.
Very Small Difference in DSM 7 Performance
For those that are not aware, all Synology Diskstation NAS solutions (big or small) arrive with DSM 7 (or DSM 6.2 in some cases is still an option) which is a complete network storage software and services platform that general can rival a lot of the software as a service (SaaS) platforms out there with the range of things it can do. From tailored file access, multi-site backups, Virtual Machine deployment, Surveillance, office administration tool, communication management, database hosting tools and more. All this is managed over numerous first-party tools, via the web browser GUI and via many client applications. It is genuinely an impressive all-encompassing platform that is far more comparable to an entire operating system than a simple data storage tool that your NAS includes. This platform allows you to create numerous users with their own dedicated access and privileges to the NAS file/folder structure, with each user having their own DSM login/sessions running at the same time as needed, as well as being able to run many, many applications at the same time. In the event that Synology release a DS922+ NAS, as Synology have a very layered portfolio, a refresh to any system still typically maintains the structure of it’s predecessor in terms of CPU and memory. They will be upgraded, but still very much in the same architecture. The result is that a Synology DS922+ NAS will still be an Intel Celeron CPU and 4GB of memory by default and therefore unless you are going to particularly push the Synology NAS hardware in terms of multiple users and/or active processes internally, you will not see any real difference on the user side compared with the current DS920+. Synology NAS hardware will make the most of the available hardware (especially memory) it can to stay as fast and responsive as possible, intelligently flushing the case when things are getting particularly busy. Therefore, unless you are going to be running tasks that were going to tax/stress the DS920+ to begin with, the DS922+ isn’t likely to provide a significant/noticeable improvement in the DSM 7 user experience right now. Maybe a few years down the line as the software further develops into DSM 7.1, DSM 7.2, DSM 8, etc, but not for quite a while!
Synology DS920+ NAS Prices are already good and will only get better
One advantage of hardware that has been in the market for a longer length of time (but crucially is still a flagship product by a brand) is that the pricing gets considerably more flexible the longer it is in available. Barring hardware shortages caused by external/3rd party influences, this is generally always true and it has to be said that the Synology DS920+ is certainly more affordable than its launch RRP back in summer 2020, as well as deals/promotions being regularly available at different retails and seasonal events occurring with more frequency. The DS920+ can now often be seen at the £400-450 at different retailers (admittedly in short promos) and that is a decent step down from the approx £550 it was listed at launch in most retailers.
Although Synology generally maintains a steady price point when refreshing a series (typically mating the predecessor pricepoint and increasing in single-digit % in line with inflation or standout hardware upgrades), so alongside the DS920+ already being at a nicer price point right now than ever, it seemingly appears in more promos AND if/when a DS922+ NAS is launched, expect that price to be even better. So, that means that buying a DS920+ is a better price choice and even allows you to hedge your bets a bit and still catch the DS920+ later in the event of clearance sales, etc.
Unlikely but possible HDD Compatibility Factors in a potential DS922+ NAS
Now it should be stressed that I do NOT think that this is hugely likely to happen, but not impossible. In recent Synology Diskstation series devices for business and enterprise, the brand has changed its policies on hard drive compatibility. This has resulted (after arguably some too and frow between users and the brand online) Synology’s own hard drives and SSDs being fully supported and compatible with all the storage services of their DSM software, whereas third party drives from Seagate and WD (such as the WD Red and Seagate Ironwolf series) still work and are visible to the Synology DSM storage system, but some features and services are not available (as well as the system displaying a warning message in conjunction with the unsupported HDDs being used and changes to how the brand supports users with these non-Synology HDDs – highlighting the need for their support teams to emulate their end-user setup being integral in support in many cases).
Now, this is NOT a compatibility question on the Prosumer and SMB desktop Diskstation right now solutions such as the DS920+ NAS. Indeed, I cannot see this policy being extended to a potential Synology DS922+ NAS, as the likes of the HAT5300 Hard Drives are crafted for considerably more rugged use than that expected by a plus series 4 bay. However, this is still not 100% confirmed and if Synology were to release a more affordable/value tier to their drive media that is designed for these smaller systems, such as re-purposing the Toshiba N300 NAS range as they did with the Toshiba MG06/07/08 in their enterprise tier (again, there have been ZERO indications about this right now and I am hypothesizing here) – THEN that would bring into doubt the HDD compatibility of a new DS922+ NAS and make the DS920+ a much more attractive purchase for many new users. Again, I would say the chances of this one are very, VERY small, however, if you hear Synology reveal a value HDD series in the future – then maybe it’s something to ponder.
Synology Have R&D’d the Intel J4125 and J4025 Significantly in the DSx20+ Series
When Synology release a hardware solution and introduce hardware combination (typically a CPU+MEMORY+NETWORK INTERFACE combo), they then integrate that combination and chipset towards a fleshed out range of different scale solutions. We have seen it in the Intel Atom ranges that spanned out into 5, 6, 8 and 12-Bay desktop solutions over several generations, we saw it in the Realtek RTD1296 ARM processor combination across 1, 2 and 4 Bay solutions and with the DSx20+ series released in 2020, we saw the Intel J4125 and J4025 span out into 2, 4 and 5-Bay solutions across 3 different sub-ranges. When Synology does this, you tend to find that they really push the envelope on what a processor can do and as further firmware updates roll out and development of new apps and this hardware architecture in advance also takes place in the R&D for months or even YEARS, it means that the longer a hardware combination is available, the more Synology are able to do with it in their proprietary applications.
This is no exception in the case of the DS920+ and the Intel J4125 Celeron Quad-Core processor features have been extremely well stretched by the bods in the Synolgoy R&D and Product Management teams for their platform. Now if a Synology DS920+ NAS was released, it would use a new CPU and although it is almost certainly going to be an Intel Celeron again, it will still be a different chip and Synology will start the merry-go-round again to learn how much they can get out of it for their applications and service – pushing it as much as they can in terms of efficiency and capability. So, if you want the best and most efficient experience of Synology DSM 7 and are choosing between a very real and established DS920+ or a theoretical and potential DS922+, the DS920+ will be the better choice in terms of a product that has been significant;y road-tested by the brand.
Reasons You SHOULD WAIT for a Synology DS922+ NAS
As good as all of the benefits (both realistic and potential of course) that I have outlined above that suggest buying a Synology DS920+ NAS now is the right thing to do – it’s not all so cut and dry. There are several considerations that, based on Synology’s behaviour in previous generation refreshes, as well as changes in modern hardware architecture, that would comfortably support waiting for a Synology DS922+ NAS. Below I have outlined four reasons to wait for a DS922+, some you might be already thinking, but I bet you didn;t think of all of them. Let’s go.
The DS922+ will almost certainly feature 2.5GbE Network Connectivity
When the Synology DS920+ NAS was first revealed in the months before it’s formal release, one factor about it’s hardware specifications rubbed quite a few users up the wrong way – namely the continued inclusion of 1GbE (gigabit ethernet) network ports on the system. It features two ports (as found in the previous few revisions of this series and allows via link aggregation/port-trunking to hit 2GbE with a supported switch) but in spring/summer 2020, most other NAS hardware vendors were providing 2.5GbE ports at the same price point as 1GbE, alongside a few hardware client hardware that would share the network environment (switches, routers, etc) starting to implement 2.5GbE. Fast forward to spring/summer 2022 and 2.5GbE is a noticeable degree higher in uptake. Its still nowhere near as ubiquitous as 1GbE of course, but it is now being rolled into ISP routers, multi-port affordable switches, computers and even the late 2021 revealed Synology RT6600ax features a 2.5GbE port. Now, this means that Synology will almost certainly integrate 2.5GbE on their DS922+ NAS – to not do so would not only leave to steeped disappointment but also with greater than gigabit internet connectivity being more widely available globally, the thought that your NAS over the network could potentially be outpaced by an internet-connected cloud would be pretty damning. There is of course the users who think that the DS922+ is long overdue for a 10GbE revision and, as ideal as that would be, realistically unless Synology fundamentally changes their hardware portfolio and/or introduce more capable processors with sufficient PCI lanes to support it, 10GbE is pretty unlikely to land on the DS922+ or even a DS924+. That said, never say never!
Potential for Synology to double jump the CPU to the Intel J6412 Celeron in the DS922+
This was an intriguing factor and one that I would not put past Synology to action if the DS922+ becomes an increasingly later and later release. The next-generation refresh of NAS from the bulk of the established off-the-shelf NAS hardware providers that we know so far for 2022 have all seemingly opted for the Intel Celeron N5105/N5095/N5095A Quad-Core processor for their prosumer/SMB desktop hardware. Now, there are a couple of things to unpack. First off, yes, I listed three different CPUs there. Thanks in part to hardware shortages, to the pandemic and to disruption at the production level moving forward through 2021/2022, this has resulted in Intel’s own refresh cycle of their individual ranges overlapping quite considerably. Typically they phase out (retire) a specific component after a period of time and introduce a new revision or a completely new version, with the Intel Celeron series being no exception. However, due to those interruptions mentioned, it has resulted in these three CPU revisions running and having stock spread across them. They are all very, very similar revisions with only small differences in video encode/decode (favouring the N5105 marginally) and most feel that one, two or all three of these will run in the DS922+ NAS upon ut’s reveal (likely N5105 and/or N5095). I largely agree with this and although it is a better CPU than the current J4125 in the DS920+, it is a small jump that does not really justify ignoring the DS920+ on it’s own.
HOWEVER, mixed CPUs at the specification level is not really something that Synology are big fans on – cast your minds back to 2016/2017 when the CPU in use was refreshed by intel mid-run? That resulted in Synology releasing a +II version of the DS216+ and DS716+. Likewise, when the DS3617xs and DS2419+ had a relatively PSU change, they released an updated model ID on those too! Now, we can also add to that the appearance and sudden increase of procurement of the Intel J6412 Processor online. Another Celeron, this processor actually has a lower frequency/burst but is a much more capable processor in almost every other way (keyword, efficiency!) and I do not think it is impossible that Synology might opt for this cleaner and more impressive processor in the DS922+. It is arguable less likely than the N5105 or N5095 being featured in a DS922+ NAS release, however the longer it takes for Synology to formally reveal the DS922+, the more it added to the potential of this CPU being opted for, as I am sure they would want a cleaner and more long term CPU choice for future hardware production, as well as Intel wanting a cleaner portfolio too.
Higher Maximum memory to upgrade too in current Intel Celeron Processors
This is a much more minor point than CPU procrastination and second-guessing. Regardless of which CPU the Synology DS922+ NAS arrives with, practically all of the post-2020 Celeron and Pentium processors that would be serviceable in a desktop NAS solution arrive with 16GB maximum memory support. Now, the Intel J4125 that the DS920+ arrives with has an 8GB officially supported maximum and Synology largely adhere to this, with 4GB of soldered memory in the DS920+ and a DDR4 SODIMM slot that can allow an additional 4GB upgrade. So, on the one hand, that’s great news – the DS922+ will almost certainly support 16GB of memory – meaning more apps, more users and more services can be totally used on the system. Now, I say ‘almost certainly’ as we cannot ignore that Synology has steadily been integrating soldered/controller board attached memory on their SMB/Prosumer diskstation systems such as the DS920+, DS220+ and DS720+ over the years.
In the case of the DS920+, it wasn’t a huge deal – 4GB soldered, 4GB upgrade slot, 8GB max , done. However, in the DS220+, DS420+ and DS720+, the fact they arrived with 2GB of pre-attached memory means that a 4GB SODIMM upgrade results in an odd 6GB maximum on these systems (despite the CPU being able to support 8GB). So, do take into consideration that if the DS922+ NAS features 4GB of memory by default and it is similarly soldered, you are looking at a maximum 12GB of memory being the limit on this DS922+ hardware if they repeat the design of the DS920+. It is still more than the memory cap of the DS920+, but still, it’s something to watch out for.
Questions around Diskstation Expandability in the Next Generation
Now, this point is a little more nebulous and something that will only be a concern to a smaller % of users who are weighing up between the DS920+ and a potential DS922+ NAS if revealed. I want to talk about JBOD storage expansions – I know, sexy, sexy stuff! Hear me out! One of the appeals of the DS920+ (and indeed the DS918+ and DS916+ before it) is the expandability of the system to allow you to use a Synology 5-Bay expansion down the line to add more storage to your existing RAID/SHR (i.e. the 9 in the model ID means that this is the maximum number of bays that the system can be expanded/migrated towards). Now, why should that be something to think about? The DS920+ and the potential DS922+ would both be expandable, so it’s no dice as a deciding factor. Well, did you know that expansions on the Synology NAS hardware platform ALSO get refreshed? The DX510, the DX513 and currently DX517 are the 5-Bay expansion devices (connected by 6Gb/s) are the means to add those additional 5 bays and it would not surprise me if Synology release a new expansion chassis (DX522? DX523?) to further refresh this series (improved SATA protocol, power management, etc) and when that happens, several factors raise their heads. First, production of the predecessor (the current DX517) will decrease in favour of the potential newer expansion.
Now, very, VERY few people buy an expansion for a NAS system in the first 2-3 years of their systems life – if they are producing that much data, they would opt for a larger NAS (DS1821+ or DS2422+ for example). Some users might use an expansion as a means of creating a synchronized backup with the local system, but local backups that cannot be easily disconnected such as these are less than ideal in the long term. Regardless, the point I am making is that if you opt for a DS920+ NAS now and a few years later are looking for a DX517 to expand your system, they might not be so readily available from your preferred retailer (or indeed available new in fewer quantities and therefore at a possible premium due to necessity vs scarcity). This is still a remarkably minor point of course and hinges on a lot of ‘what if’s’, but something to factor in and perhaps – if this is something that concerns you now, you should maybe jump from the DS922+ altogether and opt for something bigger on day one such as a DS1520+, DS1621+ or DS1821+ NAS now, then partially populate it in an SHR and add drives to the array as and when.
Our Predictions on the Synology 2022 NAS Hardware & Software
Synology are famously one of the most secretive companies in the NAS market and although we know a decent chunk of information on DSM 7.1, their surveillance hardware/software upgrades and even big movements on their router series, solid formal information on the Synology Diskstation and Rackstation information is only arriving in smaller dribs and drabs. That said, they still follow a few refresh trends and between these routines and smaller imprints they have made online, me and Eddie the web guy were able to make several predictions and assertions on Synology in 2022. You can watch the video on this or read the article below to find out more:
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Been using this NAS for over 3 years now, bought it after watching this very review. Still runs like a dream, and I couldn’t be happier with what it does for my family.
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Thanks!
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*Update, Synology DSM has been updated to DSM 7.1. So, check out my MASSIVE Synology DSM 7.1 Software Review HERE – https://youtu.be/SqFa0WyxGJc *
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I’m using 720+ and looking for expansion
Can I get 920+ and using that as an expansion…
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Deberías poner subtítulos en español, es una pena no poder entenderte….
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????????????????922+ or 923+ ??? Title says 923+, in video you said 922+.
How does 922+ would compare to QNAP TS 464 ?
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Bro why do you have seagulls screaming in the background lol
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what size SSD would you use .. 1 tb would be a waste would it
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Where does a person go to get solid advice on a UPS for DS920+ w/4 HDD’s, 2 SSD’s?
Everywhere I look seems brand bias w/o mentioning the *#1* factor…. automated NAS shutdown and reboot depending on UPS battery levels. How does a person get to reliable recommendations with *#1* in mind?
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I went to ‘Like’ but it was at 920 likes and I didnt want to change it.
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Can we say ds923+ ? I’m waiting to buy the upgraded version of the 920+. Even if I want to buy a 920+, there is none on Amazon Canada and elsewhere.
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I had to pull the trigger on 920+ a couple of weeks ago. My 6 year old 416j already had a faulty slot then another failed and I had 3 disks installed.
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Excellent Video. I upgraded from a DS220J based on your reviews of the DS920+ … I LOVE this 920. the 220j just fell on it’s face when asked to do anything beyond the basics.
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Too late, my DS920+ arrives tomorrow with a total of 20 gigs of RAM 😉
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You forgot to mention that the DS920+ still could run DSM 6.2, while the DS922+ / DS923+ very like can only run DSM 7.x and above. Some people still prefer to run DSM 6.2 due to legacy features.
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Thanks!
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July 2022, last 6 months of the year and still waiting to take the plunge on a 4 bay.
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Can you compare ds920+ vs pcloud
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Is the ds918+ worth getting in 2022? Mainly using for 1080p plex
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Still no DS922+ as of July 2022, was hoping for a decend quad/octa core processor, at least 16GB+ memory upgradable, M.2 slotting and of course 2.5GBe to 10GBe ports.
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Excellent video
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I would like to see some internal storage on all Synology NAS’s to download dsm too . Seems a bit odd to me that you have to use party of the hard drives to load it on to????
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Upgrading to this model from DS412+. Watching this video while waiting for the delivery!
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Are they going to release anything anytime soon cause I’ve been holding off and need to figure this out this year.
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Wait
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Life cycle: Thanks for the useful video and content you are sharing! I own an old DS410 for an home use (mainly photos store/share, family document sharing and data backups), and my question would be: how often do you replace your NAS at home? I remember how much I was upset when Synology stopped the support for my model and I was stuck with the DSM 5.2 (and still I am) Therefore, while now in the dilemma DS720+ or wait for DS722+, my question would be: will the DS722+ give me 2 more years of updated DSM and related support? (For now I decided to wait as I assume I will get 2 years less support if going for the DS720+).
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And still no I5/I7 processors.
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Really can’t believe the NICs are so dated! Think I will hold my 918+.
Side note, do you look into the vari angle screen and not the lens? The graphics separating the 8 features, flash way too fast to read, maybe they could be 4 words tops and hold on screen twice as long.
Cheers, really enjoy the content
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Great video, saw it a few days ago and helped me decide. (Also all the other videos 🙂 )
Just got the 920+, I hope I don’t regret it. Didn’t want to risk a higher price or more restrictions on 3rd party hardware. Also it’s probably overkill for data backup, photos and Plex.
Still waiting for my drives to arrive.
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Great video and overview, thanks for that! Although your first reasons were appealing in the first place, the later were even more so. I‘ll be sitting a bit more on the fence I guess. ???? I’m really wondering about all the 2.5GBE fuzz. I‘m looking forward to normal 10GBE network adapters, the big CPU and lot‘s of RAM! I‘ll then enter the word of docker an VMs@NAS! ????
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Spent my tax refund on a DS920+ and 4x16TB drives. Works great. I’m set for a long, long time.
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Hey everyone! There have been several big bits of Synology NAS hardware information revealed this month (about 7 big chunks of information really) that I have added to the big, BIG listed in the link below. Head there for much, much more recent information on the latest Synology 2022 hardware releases that are in the works – https://nascompares.com/news/synology-2022-nas-hardware-what-to-expect-in-2022/
#ihateseagulls
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Synology go home with your 1GB ethernet, 5 year old kernel and “Synology disk drives” with 200$ for a paper label on an WD, Toshiha or Seagate drive. I have a DS916+ and a DS2415+ which will run until they die, then I switch to another company starting with a “Q”.
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My prediction is that Synology always brings dated hardware when it comes to this segment
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The main problem for me is the ability (or the lack of it) to upgrade a NAS and just put in the old HDDs. I have DS414 from the late 2013 and I really want to step up to the new plus series be it DS422+ or DS922 or something but as far as I understood from Synology website I won’t be able to upgrade from Value series to Plus and beyond, Only the new Value series is eligible. So if the new Value series gets 2.5 GbE it will be fine but if not… it will be a problem.
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Thank you. Great video again. I think I keep my DS216+ running a bit more longer and keep waiting.
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I still have a DS1813+ which is 9 years old. The ethernet connection was already 1Gb on that model. I would like to change to have a more powerful NAS with only 4/5 bays but the 2.5gb connection is essential for me. without any concrete announcement from Synology on this point, I am considering switching to Asustor.
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I picked up the 416j years ago and soon learned I could only have 2 volumes of 16TB (when installing the max of 4*8TB). Then I learned I could only backup to one of those 2 volumes because the software, even in version 7, doesn’t allow for two different backup tasks to two different volumes.
Plus, there seems to be lots of overhead use, I can’t even backup my 12 TB drive to the 16 TB volume on RAID0.
No more Synology for me, thank you.
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Socket FCBGA1493 (2.5Gbe, Q1’21). So, N6211 for ds222+ and J6413 for ds722+. Maybe.
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I am looking to upgrade from an old 213j to a 920+ Would you just use the old drives and migrate them over, and try to change from Ext 4 to the new file system or just lease as is. My system is just for home use not business.
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Wait to save up $60000
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Same consideration for the DS220j vs (potentially upcoming) DS222j. Please advise, thanks much
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Is there anything you know about the 922+ release date?
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Probably going to get the DS922+ to replace my old DS418play. Do you know if I can use the old 418play and DS922+ together on one Plex account? One would be for movies and the other tv media.
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thumbs up for the info and the two watches on the same wrist.
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Isn’t the storage across the expansions configured as a JBOD? That would risk all data.
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I’ll get the 922 if, and only if, it has faster than gigabit Ethernet!
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I want to switch to synology from qnap. But the lack of 2.5 GbE on DS920+ alike and priced devices makes this a no-go atm. Qnap has 2x 2.5 GbE :/ Also having 8 GB RAM max is quite low. My very old QNAP 2 bay runs with 16 …
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Waiting for 1522+
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Great video, at this time I’m on the fense for buying a NAS (220+ or 920+) or just wait for the refreshed version. My usage will be store data + vpn service + couple of containers like piHole. In my country (Spain) the 220+ is 340 eur and the 920+ is around 600 eur.
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A question, I have a 1019+ will WD RED 16tb drives work on it?
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I’m in the same dilemma … and seriously considering Asustor
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2:28 nah,price wont get any lower where i come from????
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FreeNAS it is then….
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I still run a DS916 with 5 bay expansion and it still does most of the things I want it to. DSM 7 is still very snappy and a joy to use. I really do need 2.5gbe+ ethernet minimum now (the rest of my network is 10GBE) and a better CPU for transcoding media so I can do away with a separate NUC I use to do Plex transcoding at the moment.
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Haha, the DS920 is actually somewhat poor value from the performance side. I remember that the components of my server (excluding storage for both Synology and mine) was only slightly more expensive for double the cores, 16gb of ram, and a better os ssd.
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Does the same advice apply for DS720+ vs DS722+?
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i think this dude buys subs
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I bought a 920+ a few months ago. So far so good , overkill for me. Lol
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Bro, I can’t read that fast
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Or don’t buy them at all because I have one, and it’s a brick. Not worth purchasing anything from them.
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I just bought a 918
To be fair I got an amazing price (would’ve been amazing even if the drives weren’t included)
Thrilled to have HASS, HOOBS, Synology Drive, Synology Photos, VPN Server, and VMM. Anyone paying monthly fees for any of these services better wise up quickly
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I had the same question but I purchased a ds 1520+ right now!
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what would the cost be to a manufacturer to put in a 1Gbe v 10Gbe? Surely its time NAS’s come loaded with 10Gbe
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Maybe it’s not your cup of tea, but I have a question. Could you make a video about making your own NAS. Hardware selection, software install, the full beans. I’m thinking about making my own for storage, running containers, and being able to stream 1 or 2 4k streams. For such a system, what would you recommend? Maybe worth a video? Maybe with TrueNas Scale?
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Thank you, great show today!
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i want a new 10 bay model, 8 is too low and 12 too high
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When are they releasing a new 8 bay with 2.5Gb?
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Have synology and qnap always been so secretive on new releases. Is there a webpage that has best guess on upgrades.
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Just started to look at NAS for my home and Im looking at this 920+ or even the 720+ so this video is well timed
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Wait for the DS922+ so you can be locked to Synology property hard disks ( Locked Hard Disks that can only be used in Synology NAS ). Lacie used to do this as well on their NAS, that is why they don’t exist anymore as a NAS product company. On top of all this, these systems only have 1GB NICs and are NOT upgradeable.
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It would be nice if DS922+ was a 5-bay so there would be room for a hot spare without having to get the expansion unit.
Other nice to haves would be…
– 4 USB 3.x or 2 USB and 2 USB-C (10Gbps)
– USB-C (10Gbps) for expansion units and daisy chaining
– 2.5GB NIC
It would really suck if Synology locked the HDD’s and at that point is where I would stop buying them cause I need to be able to get locally supplied parts of which those custom drives will never be available.
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Has Synology always used embedded chips? They seem like toys compared to QNAP systems
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I don’t understand why we’re crossing our fingers for 2.5GbE when Apple is offering 10GbE as standard on its latest desktops marketed toward video production.
you cant make linkaggregation on the 1Gbe ports?
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So, at this point, getting my first NAS, should I wait for the 922+ to hit the market or go ahead and get a 920+ ?
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A 10 GbE usb adapter for my DS1520+
would be nice.
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Worked my way through getting a VM running with Home Assistant, then getting Blue Iris to connect… no easy task. Go to add a Zigbee dongle to find out that Synology dropped support on most devices, less USB storage drives, in DSM 7.0. Hit a dead end. Will need to find another home for Home Assistant on another system. When a company simply drops support for something like this it tells me that they will have no problem dropping support for other things in the future. Accordingly… my confidence level also drops. They can keep singing that song about all the great things you can do with your Synology NAS… but, my NAS will not be the first thing I think of when I need to create a solution in the future. It can stay being a file server… that is unless they drop support for that too.
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10 GBe or nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What gbe port will dva1622 have?
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I really hope Eddie is right that they won’t push their ridiculous drive-lock further down the range. It would certainly mean that a lot of their customers (me included) would be gone. Also plenty of IT professionals have called BS on the whole drive-lock in the first place citing other big enterprise OEMs having plenty of different drive manufacturers supported.
Also 2.5G+ support on the next generation across the board or f*** off Synology.
Oh and also nerfing their RAID calculator to only go up to 16 TB (incidentally the largest drive they themselves offer atm) is a pretty weak move.
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Hi, always enjoy your videos… I would like to buy a Synology and use Seagate Exos X18 18TB drives. I can deal with no Synology Tech support on these HDDs ( not on the list ) but really don’t want to buy 4 of these only to find that they dont work. Have you ever tried these on a Synology? Is there any architectural line that is crossed going beyond 16TB drives? Would you consider doing a video on using 18TB and beyond on Synology? Anyone out there have experience with these drives? Thanks!
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very well prepared questions but the guy from Synology was clueless and maybe not the one who can answer such questions. Still – using NAS for any non-LAN use is calling for a hack anyday. Even DSM should have changed ports and be restricted to trusted IP/MAC. I got customers hacked using Quickconnect, and QNAPs are hacked basicly like there was no security at all. Thank you for content.
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Should i buy DS920+ or should i wait ?!
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Could you make a video on how to install the Davinci Resolve Project server on the Synology NAS?
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I got in the game with the DS110J. At the time it was great, and I miss features like one touch USBCOPY and the ability to add WiFi with a USB adapter.
Synology missed a chance to tap into the NVR market by overvaluing Surveillance Station Camera licenses.
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I’m hoping they soon will allow NVMe SSDs for the system drive! I’ve hacked this now so my Apps/Containers run from the SSD, and it runs great! The temperature on the NVMe is only 5 degress Celcius higher than the HDDs, and it has no cooling. So I don’t believe the official statements that they won’t do this due to temperature concerns.
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When Synology made its move into the higher / enterprise market with the all-flash storage FS3017 they made a big deal over the total cost of ownership over the assumed 4-year working life. That 4 year period ended a couple of months ago – so now a reflective moment on their bold statement of ‘no vendor lock-in’ and cheaper SSDs. Even the marketing and product displays had in bold font on the front:
‘Pick either high-end SAS SSD or more mainstream SATA SSD to avoid vendor lock-in’
Now those same customers are being told that they cannot use their very expensive drives in the latest Synology equipment. The total cost of Synology ownership has ballooned and Synology has lost the brave customers that were early adopters of their higher-end series.
At the lower end, I own a ’21+ series for home use and it already has a vendor lock for RAM and now includes a warning when non-Synology drives are used. Again, that is a plus series only and the drive warning only came about with the update to DSM7 – a ‘soft’ lock-in that appeared months after purchase!
I find it hard to believe that Synology will launch new plus series without vendor locks – otherwise they will split the model line. It is madness but they are on the crazy train.
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Re “Synology Hard Drives and Drive Locking”: Maybe they promised not to push it beyong XS/XS+ Series. BUT THEY DID! The morons haven’t exactly locked them out. But even though I’ve written to them 3 times, asking them to include Seagate EXOS disks on the compatibility list – they still haven’t. So my DS2422+ cries “WOLF” all the time, by showing my Storage as Critical even though it’s not.
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as a decade long Synology user, I now hope QNAPS starts to implement some sort of SHR-2
QHR-2???? Qunology Hybrid Raid
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2.5gbe will be outdated and it has to be particular specific bay type. Say 2-bay it might make sense. But for the 4 bay then it can hit 800MB/s upward if all on raid-0 so the interface cant be limited to 4 bay . It has to be capable so 4 bay should have 2 5-gig or 10gig ethernet. and with 6 or higher bay then atleast 10gig and 5g multi gig. and 12 upwards minimum 2x 10gig
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I cannot beleive that there is NO WAY to sync any folder and file type from android device to synology nas… that drives me nuts… it’s either super complicated third party app to configure or the only syncing possible is with ds file that does ONLY pictures or synology photo crap app… I just want to sync ANY folder and their files in it (like download, ringtones and so on)… why the hell can’t synology do such thing ??? ds cloud does NOT permit to sync android folder to nas, it only sync the cloud that is on the nas to the android device, I want the other way around, there is no way to sync android ANY type of android files to nas.. urgh…
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I’ve been holding off from buying my first NAS from 2 years already waiting for this God damn 2.5Gbe. These Synologies cost way too much to feature 1Gbe only! …in 2022!
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That intro,…..now how much would you pay???
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You still havnt gotten that guy a decent mic. Dont you hear the world of differences between your mic and his … even considering your recording locally, and he is compressed by the bandwidth limits? Its still obvious.
I lasted 5 minutes, and left because I couldnt understand what he was saying, and was annoyed by it.
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If they lock proprietary hdd I am done with synology
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The bare minimum would be for the 722+/922+/1522+ models must have 2.5gbe. Synology can’t wait for the 2024 plus models without losing market share and major laughing stock.
I hope the disk lock doesn’t spread, I got my DS920+ just in case the disk lock spread. I can keep this unit for ~6 years and pray Synology reverses that idea. Then I can get a 2026 Synology or something else if the drive lock spreads.
Synology has to release a 20TB *Toshiba MG* HDD, but you scare me talking about Synology expanding to their drives to relabeled Toshiba N300 drives for the base models. It makes sense Synology would get better prices if they bought more drives, but scares the end user if they have the ability to offer that. LTT was just talking about the $20 price difference between 20TB Seagate EXOS vs IronWolf, what’s the point? I don’t mind buying Synology drives if the price is competitive, but they don’t have the inventory availability for repairing crashed systems ASAP.
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Virtualisation is still my main concern with synology.
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I’m against this lock-in of only certain hard drives to get support.
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Thank you for sharing!
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I’m considering the synology DS920+, the Qnap TS-453D or the Asustor Lockerstor 4. And it’s that classic dilemma of hardware vs software priorities. I was leaning towards the Asustor as it has the benfits of the M.2 caching and 2.5GbE but now wonder if I should hold fire and see if synology deliver something that matches the Asustor?
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I’m hoping there’s better availability for an update plus series. The price of the DS920+ has gone up rather than down over its lifetime. I really want at least 2.5Gbe amd I’ll be happy.
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Hard drive lock ? That sort of proprietary nonsense went out with the dinosaurs
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Non-Synology branded Hard drive lock out is freaking annoying
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Synology 8 bay NAS with at least 2.5GbE and decent cpu for Plex transcoding and I would consider an upgrade from my 5 bay DS1019+
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I wouldn’t be as repulsed by hard drive locks if their drives where priced competitively. But they absolutely are not.
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Do the prices of previous generations drop on release of the new stock? I was going to buy the 1621+ but if I can save a couple of 100 I’ll wait
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Do you think that Drive Locking is a software or a hardware thing? If it is software, maybe, in the future, we will see an update that unlock it….
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Waiting for DS222j… covered in cobwebs at this stage 🙂
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z85eyt
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUgaESJcoS1AbePnjzQ1nJbnC9sJl4YtC
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My synology is messing up my local network and I can’t figure out why. Internet drops for a few seconds every few min on all connected network devices. If I disconnect the NAS from the network, it seems to work just fine.
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Login Speed – seemed easier with entering user name and password on the same dialogue to only hit enter once, especially when credentials are stored in the browser. Perhaps they changed it for increased security, prefer the old way.
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does this nas support 2.5″ hard drives?
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Can you plug the NAS into a PC through USB? and use the whole drive speed? What is a CPU that can handle Plex fine?
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Thanks for this informative video, all your videos are awesome. I’m thinking to get this one.
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8:40 – I wish we could find the person responsible for using a Funnel for the filter icon and make them walk the plank. Funnels are not filters.
But its too late now. The damage is done. People associate the funnel image with the filter action in software just like they associate the piece of paper with a folded corner for “new file”.
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I am going through all the videos learning about NAS, particularly from Synology before I dip my toes to get one (preferably the DS920+) to replace an ageing Drobo 4 bay. I am getting more confident by the day and by the videos. watched. Thank you for the great videos.
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What an amazing video, thank you sir.
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Man it sounds like poo – sorry the QNap rules in the way of memory. I don’t find plastic as cool. I do love your reviews though.
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Recently bought this as my first NAS.. Attached a Seagate Exos 16TB, configured as SHR.. Later will expand with other bays. The only negative I can call out is that it came with a 16 amp plug which is very difficult to attach to a socket used for low power devices.. only refrigerators, water heaters etc need that. So I replaced the cable with a 10 amp one and its working fine
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Thanks for this video. Looking to get my first NAS and I think this is the one. Which drives would you recommend to go in this? Looking around the 6TB mark. Thanks
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The missing “For you” from moments sorely missed – it was a great AI system for finding potential duplicate (or near duplicate) photos that just doesn’t work as well as the storage manager reports that only really find exact duplicate pictures.
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Just bought this NAS while watching the video. Thanks for the comprehensive review.
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HI, I just bought DS920+ learning from your channel. Thankyou very much for Providing Inside out understanding. I just have one question can i setup my NAS with one Drive and then Later i can populate other slots.
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hello one questions if synology Nas destroyer all data lost?
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1.Log center cant be modified or set to exclude users or certain things you dont want logged.
2.It is not compatible with DScloud anymore so you cant sync to mobile like you can do on DSM6 with the DSCloud app from Synology but you can use the Synology Package Center to download Resilio Sync or Good Sync but you have to pay a monthly/yearly fee for every user.
Unlike Qnap when you buy your hardware, you arent forced to pay for syncing from and to your own hardware.
With that said there is still a solution using Webdav to-way Nas-pc with Raidrive but you have to pay for software for Pro features.
Mobile sync: Use Foldersync to-way Mobile-Nas, but you have to pay for software for Pro features.
So far as i am aware of limitations using Synology DSM7 when it comes to syncing —> If you want Pro features or you want to use your Nas without reaching out to third-part software without paying extra fees it is recommended to switch to other Nas brands for me i feel Qnap has been working using 30 users for Laptop/Pc/Mac/Android/Iphone all Apps/Software working perfect Pro features without paying extra fee´s or forced to use third-part tools total control for Log center, File-Folder, Photo, Video, Virtualization, Web-sites and so much more.
Other annoying difference i had with Synology i had was this—> i had to make a ticket to find out i cant use Synology Mobile App DS Cloud or that one cant choose what Synology Package-Log Center loggs, it wont let you choose to include, exclude or to delete certain logg if you press Clear button on the loggs that are in “Files downloaded” it deletes all, if you clear “user logins” it deletes all that and you cant revert the deletion.
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Totally agree with your view on Photo Station. I’m glad you covered this as your feedback might get recognised. I don’t want to upgrade until Photos is comparable to what Photo Station had/has to offer.
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almost perfection?
Audio Station is totally broken, playback is being cut off,
Media indexing fails to scan more than 50% files,
translations in DSM are not complete, some even have nonsense,
I have no idea what Synology have been doing all the time releasing such buggy software
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Fantastic reviewTY
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918+ here with upgraded 16gb ram. Am I going to have issue if I upgrade to 7?
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How do I change dsm7 login page to have username and password on same page?
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Thanks for a comprehensive overview.
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Useful but a bit of a ramble with Robby. My time notes:
https://youtu.be/xZrjPF4nmRc?t=674
11:14 User Interface
12:00 Help Center
12:35 Control Panel
14:03 Security
15:27 Collaboration Suite
15:45 Synology Drive
17:18 Multimedia Apps
18:47 Plex and 3rd party app issues
19:47 DSM 7 background package integration improvements
20:25 HyperBackup, USB copy
21:24 Cloud Synchronization
22:27 Business Applications
23:30 Storage Manager
25:15 Fast Raid Repair
26:35 RAID 6 speedup
27:19 Bench testing, storage performance, UI improvements
29:00 Surveillance Station
30:04 Virtual Machine Manager
32:40 USB changes on DSM7
34:08 Security and UI
34:40 Resource Monitor and UI
35:00 Storage Analyzer
36:55 Recommendations
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I can’t believe I watched 50 minutes of this. Very very informative. I’m a new nas user and this 920+ is my first nas so thank you for the overview!! I didn’t know it could do much more than I already thought it could!
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I’ve installed it as a VM on my DS1821+ and I’m completely disappointed with the new photos app. Maybe I’m old fashioned idk but the way timeline view is implemented it doesn’t allow you to look at a timeline on an album level anymore like you could do in photostation. You have to choose between album view or timeline view. I like to look at my photos different ways and this makes the app kind of unusable for me. Additionally I would like them to shows tags on the timeline view when you’re inside an album that has multiple albums underneath it but no photos in it directly. I’ve reached out to them but very little hope of it getting done in my opinion. I’m not upgrading until photos is useable as photostation is no longer supported on dsm7. Additionally I had a lot of indexing / conversion issues on my VM with my photos directory. Not sure if that’s just a VM issue or not
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you talk way too much unnecessarily !!
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The audio is of sync with the video
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Since when Synology uses china domains ? Isn’t it Taiwanese company ?
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How to downgrade back to 6.2?
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Hi. Is it safe and or good for my Synology 920+ to be shut down during the night and sometimes for 30 days at a time while away? Many thanks for your great videos.
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I upgraded both my DS 218J and my brand new DS920+ to DSM 7.0 and liking it a lot! No real problems. Moments with my Photos lost its tags during the transition to Synology Photos. I have to redo them but that’s ok. Everything else is great. I agree with this review.
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so is there any reason for me to wait for the DSM update to come through automatically on my DS1520+ or should I just manually update now? Is it likely that more changes will be made to it before the automatic update comes through?
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Boomer taskbar, jam packed .. just needs a few AoL or Geocities taskbars floating on the desktop to finish the effect.
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No Java= no jdownloader????????
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Does DSM 7 introduce any issues with access via the NFS protocol? I use my DS420j strictly as a file server in a Linux environment and do not really care about photo station, music station, etc. Quick, reliable access via NFS is my main concern. Thank you for your fine videos.
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Photos all seemed to work once I requested a re-indexing. However, photo sharing is completely broken. Even if you request that anyone can view with a URL, Synology NAS still requests a username and password. Sigh…………………
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I notice the absence of Amazon S3 on the cloud service for HyperBackup… Is it still possible to backup to Amazon S3 Glacier storage in DSM7? Or they removed it not to compete with their own C2 solution?
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Thanks for your valuable videos. I missed the loss of DS Cloud, so syncing became a problem. I started using Syncthing after upgrading to DSM7. I also have a problem with Synology Drive from my laptop on a company network, while using Express VPN. It keeps trying to connect to the server. When I switch off the VPN it works fine. Maybe I will switch to Syncthing on this Windows machine as well. For me this is a key function for a NAS so I didn’t expect it to work less good. But all and all it’s a big improvement.
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For anyone has done the upgrade, how long did it take please ?
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Great video, thank you!
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No mention of the issues with third party packages that worked fine in 6.2.4 but no longer work in DSM 7, it might be almost perfect IF you only use Synology apps.
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Not upgrading until they add support for android folder backup/syncing!
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Hello, I am sure that it will surely be for reasons of not extending the video too much, but your way of showing and explaining the news and characteristics of this new DSN are not very clear, at least for me you are going too fast and a bit messy. I’m not saying it in a bad way but I think you could do it in a more calm and neat way. Thank you very much anyway.
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DSM 7, adding support for Google Shared drives via Cloudsync is a Big + for me
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I use a KDLinks media stream box to watch movies and videos I store on my Synology NAS DS918+. Does DSM 7.0 support the ability for the stream box to sign into the NAS and stream the files?
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i don’t like in the Download station the “downloading” word is blue and no longer green
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This man is clicking faster than his shadow ????
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20:53 I ran into the exact issue you have 2 days ago on DSM6.2.4. I opened a support ticket that is still open, however I suspect it’s a browser based issue. Try opening in a different browser and see if you can view all of the back up options in that. It’s a Munster to me how this happened as I even cleared my browser cache and it persisted in Firefox. When I opened in safari it was “fixed}
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Who knew FooOOZ is the correct pronunciation of FooToes. Just kidding ????
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Great video – in general the audio is a bid low on your videos, would it be possible to turn it up a notch? Thanks 🙂
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Show idea, upgrading synology hardware. Example, use a ds213 case and change the motherboard to a newer model including modifying the case for USB ports if needed.
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Your shows are good, however, can you please make them shorter/succinct. Perhaps add text boxes on the screen so we can see that as you move on. Again, you do a fantastic job ???? thanks for your hard work.
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Photos was over-promised, and under-delivered…. Mostly hype
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One thing I’d love is for larger NAS to support mounting volume from older smaller NAS.
For instance, I had an old DS411j that failed on me, one of the drive failed but the NAS was full, so now I can’t even start it up. I just wish I could buy some of the 12 slots new NAS and then mount my 4 old drive into the new system and then just transfer data and format the old drives to add them to the new volume. I asked Synology if we can do that, their answer: nope, unless you build a Linux computer and mount drives on Linux and transfer your data. If I need to build a Linux computer, I’d better off just to use FreeNAS and never have to deal with Synology DSM…
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Microsoft Edge is base on Chromium, so any issues you have with Chrome will most likely happen in Edge as well. You need to test on browses like Firefox that are not base on Chromium.
I use Firefox and only have one M.2 slot filled and the 4 HDDs bays are full. Testing what I could zooming out made the empty M.2 disappear. It did not make the icon show under the other one as shown by you..
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What’s the later on PLEX… yesterday I was advice to use Docker as PLEX is not installing correctly?
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still no on-demand sync for Synology Drive w/ Mac OS in DSM7. Synology really dropped the ball for Mac support. DSM7 not worth the hassle.
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Is it possible how do a clean install Synology dsm 7 on my new Synology ds1520Plus?
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I would have liked more analytics inside VPN Server eg bandwidth consumption from each user (up/down) ????????♂️
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i have a test DS119j and upgraded it to DSM 7 and it’s very slow. Tested 4gb of photo’s and the database is going on for days.
Going to upgrade my DS1821+ now. Hope 10GB will still work.
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For the past week, Universal Search has been HOARDING CPU and RAM!
Indexing just goes on and on and on, non stop!
I can’t find a workaround!
Disabling Universal Search in DSM 7, disables Synology Drive and Synology Office
Instructions for this problem, found on forums, are all for DSM 6 and DON’T work on DSM 7
This is pathetic!
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For me it doesn’t matter as much if the new apps arent quite as good as the old ones yet as long as they have been written on a newer platform that easier to add missing and new features later rather than an app that was based on ds 4. Apple’s old website went down before a launch not to increase excitement but because it was old and rubbish and had to be .
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2fa should be incorporated Into DS finder having said that authy is miles better as you can transfer it to other devices
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Did you do a manual update or did DSM 7.0 show as an update automatically? It has not shown up on my RS1221+ or DS216+II in Canada yet…
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Still I have hibernation issue and I opened a ticket with Synology support. After analyzing the debug logs, they came back with SMB and VMM are the cause of periodic waking up of HDD’s. But still I couldn’t find an answer from support that why this periodic waking up which exactly happens each hour related to VMM and SMB, assuming no laptops connected to NAS in the test period and no VM was running. Will update in case support answers me.
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bought this exact NAS on prime day sale today. $473 USD, 16GB crucial 2666 memory upgrade $82 (20GB ram total), 2x noctua nf-a9 fans to get rid of the stock synology loud fans $34, 2x250GB western digital blue nvme for caching. Reusing 4x8TB ironwolf drives. it’s main purpose for me is going to be 4k uncompressed plex server
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I know it’s an old post, but all that pretty packaging you’re so impressed by you’re paying for. Protective packaging is a must, but why does is have to be so impressive? A measly dollar/quid increases drastically by the time it gets to the consumer. Simply put, in business, if you spend money you have to make money .
Other than that a fair video.
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