Best NAS for Around 500 to Buy in 2024 (So Far)
So you’ve decided to look into purchasing your very own network-attached storage device, or perhaps you’re looking to upgrade some equipment that is starting to feel ever so slightly more legacy than you would like. For whatever the reason, there’s no avoiding that choosing the right hardware to host your own private server doesn’t come cheap, and in most cases is seriously going to cost you. That said, the majority of NAS units still manage to keep some things relatively affordable. In this article, I want to talk you through the best solutions right now that you can buy for around 500 GBP/EUR/USD halfway through 2024. Although this doesn’t include tax or your storage media, many of these solutions actually weigh in significantly less than this target price point, and even the ones that slightly cross the line are some real heavy hitters. So, here are the best network-attached storage solutions that you can buy right now without breaking the bank, but still getting a phenomenal amount of bang for your buck.
Best NAS of the Year 2023/2024
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Asustor Flashstor 6 – An NVMe Flash Turnkey NAS that’s Cheaper than DiY
0-48TB, 6x M.2 NVMe 3×1 Bays, Supports 2x USB Expansions, N5105/N5095 4-Core CPU, 4-16GB DDR4 (non-ECC) Memory, 2x 2.5Gbe Port, 3yr Warranty (10GbE version = FS6712X Flashstor 12 Pro for $799 HERE)
Current Price/Availability on Amazon – $499
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch (Flashstor 12 Pro Review HERE)
This one caught everyone by surprise last year when it was first released, and when Asustor unveiled their new six-bay M.2 NVMe SSD system, many users were blown away by two things. The first was this remarkably compact six-SSD system that was available in a hardware configuration largely unavailable elsewhere in the market in desktop form. The other thing was the price! Arriving at just $450, it is nearly impossible to build this level of hardware in the DIY server sphere and still hit this price point. The Flashstor, while also arriving as a turnkey solution with its own complete operating system included, comes with a myriad of applications for your client devices in mobile or desktop form. As well as being 2.5 GBE ready with 4K HDMI out too, this thing has really been making waves this last year. Although, to maintain this price tag, compromises need to be made (such as the system utilizing a fairly middling, if low power consuming, Intel Celeron, and each slot being just a simple Gen 3*1 speed), you really can’t fault this for the price point.
It’s also worth touching on that at Computex 2024, Asustor revealed the next generation of this product family in the Flashstor Gen. 2, which will feature dual 10G and Gen. 4 SSD architecture using a Ryzen CPU. This will almost certainly result in the Flashstor arriving at an even more affordable price tag during larger sales events and as the Gen 2 series is released at the end of the year.
Terramaster F4-464 and F4-424 Pro – Hardware Priorities
0-96TB, 4-Bays, 2x Gen 3 x2 M.2 NVMe 2280, Intel N100 4-Core / N305 8-Core CPU Integrated Gfx CPU, 4/8-32GB Memory, 2x 2.5Gbe Port, 3yr Warranty
Current Price/Availability on Amazon – $499-599
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch
Another phenomenally surprising system that arrived last year, the Terramaster F4-464 series comes in a 4-core N100 configuration and an 8-core N305 configuration (priced at $499 and $599 respectively), both of which feature dual port 2.5GbE, 3.5-inch SATA bays that support up to 24TB each, and even a couple of Gen. 3*2 M.2 NVMe SSD slots for caching or storage pools. Although the Terramaster NAS software is perhaps one of the weaker in the market, it still manages to pull a great degree of features into it for the end user. Container deployment, virtual machine deployment, protected file shares, iSCSI storage, and even a very unique isolation mode that allows you to completely sever the system at the click of a single button from all remote access and third-party applications. Alongside these improvements, Terramaster has also improved the external casing of the F4-464 series, now arriving in a much more desirable curved black casing that features significantly more passive cooling and an adjustable rear fan to keep things cool during long-term operation.
Terramaster is still behind its competitors at Synology and QNAP in terms of overall features, applications for clients, and the general richness of the services included with their platform. However, at this price point, they provide a significantly larger degree of more modern hardware at the disposal of the end user compared with those brands in 2024. Additionally, they are one of the very few brands that happily allow end users to install the likes of TrueNAS or Unraid on their hardware without it invalidating their hardware warranty. That means that even if you are not won over by the comparatively middling software, you can still rely on hugely evolved open-source software like TrueNAS Core/Scale, or the more user-friendly, customizable, and low resource-consuming Unraid if you choose. Finally, it’s worth highlighting that of all of the solutions in today’s article, Terramaster frequently puts their systems on sale, and chances are you’re going to be able to pick up even the more powerful i3 system at sub-500 GBP in numerous retailers.
Synology DS423+ – The Last Media Focused Synology?
0-80TB, Intel J4125 4-Core CPU with 350-750Mhz Int.GFX, 2-6GB DDR4 Memory, 2x 2Gbe Port, 3yr Warranty
Current Price/Availability on Amazon – $449
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch
On the face of it, at least in terms of hardware, the Synology DS423+ is a notable step down compared with the previous two entries on this list. The DS423+ was released partway through last year and arrived with one of the oldest Intel Celeron processors still in active server use, the J4125. Alongside that, the system only features 2GB of DDR4 memory and can only be upgraded to a maximum of 6GB (bit odd). So why on earth is it on this list?! Well, first and foremost, it is one of a small number of Synology solutions that allow you to use the M.2 NVMe slots for SSD storage pools, not just cache. Additionally, this is the lowest price point to take advantage of the full spectrum of Synology services that include the entirety of the collaboration suite, virtual machine deployment, container deployment, Surveillance Station, Synology Hybrid RAID, Active Backup Suite, Hyper Backup, Virtual Machine Manager… The list goes on and on. And that really is the point. The Synology DS423+ is a bargain at a little over $400 because of the software, not the hardware. Arguably, the hardware is looking quite dated in 2024 (I’m looking at you, Gigabit Ethernet!), but Synology still absolutely nails it in terms of NAS software, providing arguably the very best NAS available anywhere in the market.
This, combined with a huge number of client tools that are regularly updated, as well as probably one of the broadest Mac user libraries available right now (not to mention applications for Amazon Alexa, Fire TV, Google Home, and more), you really cannot fault this brand and its software in terms of NAS. If you’re looking for a system that is easy to use and requires much less work from the end user, the DS423+ is an absolute bargain at this price point. Just keep in mind that you are going to get much lower levels of hardware compared to other units on this list.
QNAP TS-464 – 2 Years Later, Still a BANGER!
0-88TB, 4-Bays, 2x PCIe Gen 3×1 M.2 NVMe 2280, Intel Celeron N5105 CPU, 4-16GB Memory, 2x 2.5Gbe Port, 1x PCIe Gen 3×2 Slot, 1 HDMI 2.0 4K 6-FPS, 3-5yr Warranty
Current Price/Availability on Amazon – $550
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch
Despite the QNAP TS-464 being over two years old at this point, it nevertheless still continues to be one of the most desirable and recommended NAS solutions for around 500 quid that you can buy in the market. Despite the fact that this system was first released back in 2022, it arrived with a higher standard of hardware compared with the majority of other devices around at that time for the same price. Fast forward to 2024, and although it is no longer the market leader in terms of hardware, that future-proofing two years ago has led to a system that can still hold its own remarkably well today. Arriving with the same Intel Celeron featured in both the Lincstation and Flashstor (the N5105 quad-core), this petite little four-bay device supports up to the latest 24TB hard drives and even has a couple of PCIe Gen 3×1 M.2 SSD slots for storage pools, caching, and even an intelligent proprietary tiering system, QTier. This hardware also boasts 10-gigabit USB 3.2 ports, HDMI out, and even manages to include a PCIe upgrade slot as well. This means that this base-level system has a decent amount of hardware on day one, but overall is one of the most scalable systems on this list over time. QNAP provides numerous USB expansion devices that support from as little as two bays, all the way up to 16-bay expansion enclosures. The PCIe upgrade slot supports 10GbE NICs, M.2 storage upgrade cards, Wi-Fi 6 upgrade cards, and even QM2 combo cards that provide both network improvements and internal storage improvements.
Much like other entries on this list, it should be stated that the hardware does take up a little bit more of the brand’s priority on the TS-464 than the software. However, to be fair, QNAP is still the closest in the market to Synology in terms of software, with QTS 5.2 featuring numerous client applications, collaboration tools, virtual deployment options, numerous backup software platforms, and multimedia tools, all included. The user experience is a little less cohesive than that of the Synology DSM platform, but overall the QNAP serves as probably the best hardware and software balanced solution for around 500 quid in the market right now. Just be aware that the software and configuration of the system has a slightly higher learning curve than other devices on this list.
Lincplus Lincstation N1 – Hybrid NVMe/SSD Flash with UnRAID
0-32TB M.2 NVMe + 10TB SATA HDD / 16TB SATA SSD, 4+2-Bays, 4xM.2 NVMe 2280, Intel N5105/N5095 CPU, 16GB Memory, 2.5Gbe Port, HDMI+DP 1.4 60FPS 4K, UnRAID License Inc, 2yr Warranty
Current Price/Availability on Amazon –$399
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch
This tiny little NAS SSD system really caught a lot of users by surprise. First arriving on the Indiegogo platform, Lincplus is a brand that has generally been largely associated with laptops and mini PCs, and now they have started turning their arm towards network-attached storage. It hit all of its crowdfunding goals and was released in good time, followed by availability at traditional retail. The Lincstation N1 is arguably not enormously impressive in terms of its base level specifications. Sure, it is a six-bay SSD flash system (two 2.5” for affordable SSDs, and four Gen 3*1 NVMe M.2 for performance SSDs). It has the same Intel Celeron N5105 we’ve discussed already, a decent enough 16GB of memory, and even arrives with 2.5GbE (only a single port though). Overall, one might argue it’s a reasonable enough system, but what makes it stand out against other devices that you could buy right now for around 500 quid?
Well, quite simply, it is the software. Lincplus clearly decided that the Lincstation N1 software might be a little outside their wheelhouse to try and develop a complete NAS operating system. So instead, they approached Lime Technology and UnRAID, and every Lincstation N1 includes an UnRAID license. UnRAID is one of the most resource-friendly, yet incredibly customizable NAS operating systems in the market. Recently, the brand increased the price of their tiers after more than a decade of fixed pricing, and this has further improved the value of the Lincstation N1 arriving with six SSD bays and that lifetime UnRAID license included. That isn’t to say that the N1 is not a good NAS, far from it. It is a remarkably compact system, with a very unique design and two-tier flash build included in its architecture. But the fact that this is being provided with the incredibly capable UnRAID NAS software included is what really makes this device stand out for me and makes it a great NAS purchase for around 500 quid.
UGREEN DXP4800 Plus – New on the Scene, One to Watch
0-96TB, 4-Bays, 2x Gen 4 M.2 NVMe 2280, Intel Pentium Gold G8505 5-core/6-thread 1.2-4.4 GHz CPU, Intel Embedded UHD Graphics, 8-64GB DDR4 Memory, 1x 10GbE, 1x 2.5Gbe Port, USB 10G, HDMI 2.0, 3yr Warranty
Current Price/Availability on Amazon – $499 – Launching Soon
Hardware Review – LINK
YouTube Video Review – Watch
If you have been following the news in network-attached storage, then chances are at the start of 2024, you heard that UGREEN had started making moves into this industry. Long established as a brand that provided computer accessories and cables, it was a pretty big leap for them to suddenly enter the NAS market, and many would have assumed that they were just going to rebadge a bunch of mini PCs. However, they have seemingly taken NAS hardware tremendously seriously, and although their product first entered the market via crowdfunding, traditional retail is imminent. The NASync series arrived in six different configurations spanning 2, 4, 6, 8, and even a small M.2 SSD flash system. Powered by some great Intel Alder Lake CPUs spanning N100, Pentium, and i5, there is some great base-level hardware on offer here. Users were understandably wary when, despite this brand’s size and history, they opted for Kickstarter and crowdfunding for this solution. Nevertheless, now it is heading towards traditional retail, users are perhaps going to be a little bit more open to the whole range of solutions. Right now, the Pentium-powered DXP4800 Plus model is available for around $500, with a 2×8 and 4×8 N100 model arriving even cheaper. The DXP4800 Plus, however, is the best bang for the buck in this lineup as, notwithstanding the remarkably capable Intel 12th gen Pentium processor inside, it supports up to 64GB of DDR5 memory, features a high-speed SD card slot, Gen 4 M.2 SSD slots on the base, and even has 10GbE network connectivity – something unavailable at this price point pretty much anywhere else in the market!
Now, there’s no denying that compromises as usual have to be made to hit this price point on a 24/7 robust server, and for UGREEN, this is in their software. Unlike Lincplus, who opted to use the UnRAID third-party operating system option, UGREEN opted to develop an entire operating system for their systems. Unlike utilizing third-party hardware from the likes of Intel, developing your own network-attached storage software takes years, and the UGREEN NAS family in its current iteration has been around for only about six months! The UGreen OS software, although nailing down the fundamentals reasonably enough and being pretty responsive, still pales in comparison to the capabilities, client tools, and security of the likes of Synology and QNAP right now. Therefore, it is important to understand that purchasing the UGREEN NAS means you are heavily investing in the hardware more than the software. UGREEN has indicated on numerous occasions, and has applied via numerous updates, that they have a long-term road map for their software and that the series is not a one-and-done thing. They want to push into this industry as much as possible and are aware that this means years of development and product security updates are required to keep their software current and competitive in the market.
That said, to their credit, they are another one of the few brands that allow users to install third-party operating systems on their hardware without invalidating the warranty. In practice, that means that the UGREEN NAS systems can run UnRAID or TrueNAS if you choose, and as long as that software does not do detrimental damage to the hardware (such as burning out the CPU or interfering with the active cooling systems), your three-year hardware warranty is safe. UGREEN is one of the youngest names on this list in terms of NAS matters, but they have done a great job so far with their solution in its early stages.
And there you go, those are the NAS systems for around 500 quid that I recommend you buy in 2024 so far. If you found this article helpful and plan to purchase from the shops listed throughout this article, please use those links in order to buy your chosen solution. It results in a small commission and allows NAScompares to keep doing what it does.
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These other companies are holding us up with a tier system. Ugreen has seen a massive hole in these companies holding us to ransom and not giving the consumer what they want at a reasonable price . Too many variants without top end performance . Things have changed now spinning hard-drive are becoming more affordable. All I want is the highest spec CPU for 4k plex, with high end expendability for memory, cache ,and ethernet . It doesnt need to be high end memory etc at time of purchase because we can always upgrade. It is that simple. High end chip with expandability at consumers expense .
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If I just use it as aNetworkdrive with two NVMEs for writing and reading cache + HDDs, and turn anything else off, make it not reachable, I should be fine? Or is the certificate breach a problem still?
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any advice on hardrives to buy?
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I purchased this machine. I will install 48 terabytes of HDD in the F-424 Pro. With 32 gigabytes of RAM, what is the optimum SSD capacity recommended to enable the best performance from the NAS?
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Hi there @nascompares. Love your videos… They’re super informative and unbiased. I see that Ugreen NAS are hitting the market (can be purchased in Germany now). Are you planning an updated review with the production version of UGOS? Have you heard of any planned updates or features now that sales have started? Thanks a lot!
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Ugreen have put the NAS’ up for sale on at least their german shop, with a 10% discount. Meaning the DXP4800 is 540€ after discount and the DXP4800 Plus is 720€ , which makes them collide with Terramaster F4-424 and F4-424 Pro. Comparing the Ugreen plus to the F4 pro , i would prefer the more mature Terramaster software , and probably the N305 , over the 4800 Plus ????
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Love your videos. But please talk about the capability to host PLEX or JellyFin. Not knowing NAS hardware very well, I purchased a WD-EX4100 a few years ago and quickly found it it could not host PLEX very well. All I need is network shared RAID backup storage and a PLEX server. Which of these, or any others that you are aware of, would be a cost effective way to address these two issues without spending a fortune? Thanks.
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Anyone else worried about the “custom” Ugreen Linux kernel? This discovery is what made me cancel my order. As someone who works in cyber security, this is very concerning coming from a Chinese company. Please don’t take this the wrong way, there are cyber attacks every day coming from China, and pretty much none coming from Taiwan, where most other NAS companies are based.
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is there any news on the ugreen nas lineup restocking
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Can I add full HDD’s with this? Or will it format into raid config?
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Would the Terramaster F4-424 Pro be a good option to use as a nas server for video editing?
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Would this unit be a good option to use as a nas server for video editing?
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I can’t find a way to sync folders from my ugreen to external usb. Looking I only see rsync nas to nas. Has anyone found a way to back up your folder shares to USB drive?
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Not available for the uk market?
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Hi, I tried activating the provided unraid license without disks installed. I think Unraid asked me my credit card info and i had to pay 49 USD to activate it. Am i doing something wrong here or linkplus provides a free unraid license? how does this work.
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You need to isolate that mic man. Every time you touch the table it sounds like there are a hoard of elephants stampeding across my floor. 🙂 Thanks for the great info!
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Why not monetise the video mate? I don’t mind, especially if it means you earn some money and help keep the good content flowing ????????
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Don’t work with seagate exos 18 16tb hdd!!!!!!!!
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Is Eddie the seagull?
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Strange request for a Ugreen NAS video. Showcase how to run Plex using content on an external hard drive. I current am out of space and am using this as a temporary stopgap until I size up.
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is ugreen nas os linux??? can install jellyfin on that os?
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Great informative video as usual! Would you be kind enough to make a video about how to configure UGREEN with QNAP or Synology softwares on it please ?
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Nice, might get the QNAP. Contructive video criticism, replace the sqeaky chair, move the mic away from the table, the low bumps and rumbles are annoying. I’ll leave the seagulls for another time 🙂
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BTW, UGreen NAS VM USB passthrough doesn’t work. The option is there but it simply doesn’t work at all.
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I actually think a video covering how to backup the UGreen UGOS Pro OS would helpful to a lot of UGreen NAS owners looking to migrate away from UGOS but still retain the ability to go back. Also a UGOS image could be useful for running it in a VM.
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The writing is on the wall for Synology and QNAP. The pace of improvement of UGREEN is very promising. Finally a competitor that’s not trying to sell 5-10 year old hardware like the newest and greatest.
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Sorry for a stupid question! I have Ugreen 4800 Plus now. Plan to purchase M.2 NVME for caching purpose. If I chose DRAM-less NVMA for cost purpose, or do you recommend use DRAM NVME instead. I know it will not much, b/c network maybe the bottle neck. Thanks!
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Does anyone know if one can reinstall Ugreen native OS after one have installed a 3rd party OS, like TrueNAS?
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Do NAS have to be connected to the router directly with ethernet all the time or can they be fully wifi to the router?
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It’s not available yet anywhere. Maybe give it 3 months more???? The hardware is otherwise pretty decent. Can they actually do anything if people just installs TrueNas or Unraid on it instead of the lackluster software it comes with ?
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where on earth can you get a TS-464 below 500 quid or even 600 quid for that matter? and also you don’t mention the fixed memory other than the caption unless you know where you can get them without the fixed memory ????
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Can you do a comparison of the Terramaster F4-424/424 pro and the Asustor As5404T. Thanks
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Prime day is a scam
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any update on jonsbo n5?
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Man, any tips for someone in the market who just wants something that works fine out of the box, reliable and good performance. I will only use it for storage and backup of important projects/assets i have. Backups will made once dailly, ease of use software to set that up would be nice as well. I want 4 drives because well i figured the more drives the more reliable hehe, small change to have them all fail?
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What do you think of Teramaster F4 -212? I am super new to NAS systems and I most likely only use this for backing up data and maybe sync the NAS with an online data storage. I might even just turn off the NAS most of the time since I don’t usually need access all the time and I only back up data from my phone and camera only once in a while. Or is it better to go with a Synology around the same price? Synology is only 2 hard drive bays but Teramaster is 4 hard drive bays so more expansion I guess
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Sucks they can’t be found anywhere
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Thanks for the heads up about the Synology DS923+ deal on B&H. They also have a pretty screaming deal on 16TB Ironwolf Drives!
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Quoting 17:12 “Let’s go to Canada…why not, we’ll look at the pro—ACTUALLY, NOT Canada… umm…errr…”
I felt that with every fibre of my being.
“On second thought, let’s NOT go to Camelot. Tis a silly place.”
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any details about the Minisforums ms-01 nvme card anywhere?
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I havent heard anything about the H processors. Its the ones that are pushing 250+W that are the problem
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we are used to getting fucked in aus
everyone fucks us
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The synology 723+ and 923+ are the only low wattage (2&4 bay, appliance style) NAS that suppport ECC memory. Which is something worth considering, Synology ethernet ports are minimal at 2×1GB no Jumbo frames, with an optional upgrade card for 10GB (Still not multigig ports as far as I can tell) and a baseline 2GB ram (officially upgradeable to 32GB, as 2×16GB ddr4 ecc-sodimm.).
But it has both 3.5″ and m.2 slots good support, linux based, and a solid x86 CPU.
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You are the goat!!
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Bullshit FAKE deals…
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Grabbed the F2-423.
Hard to beat the 239$ price for that hardware ????
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This guy is such a nerd…… and I love it!! I think he’d be fun to hang out with
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Could you add a quad this SABRENT 4-Drive NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter Card [EC-P3X4] SSD PCIe card in DXP8800 Plus?
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I’ll watch to the end, but I suspect I’m wasting 25mins as there will be nothing for Australia.
Called it!
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You could cover us, Polish guys as well, I don”t know about good deals, but Prime here costs ~13 $/€ per YEAR.
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What audio chipset is the ugreen nas using
It’s not intel Realtek???
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What audio chipset is the nas using
It’s not intel Realtek???
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Was waiting to see if QNAP would discount anything but they haven’t. About to pull the trigger on a TS 364-8G with 3 12TB Ironwolf Pros. To be used for storage, media and music and photos. What are people’s thoughts?
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Help!!!! First time Nas for me! Should I consider the DS224+ @ $239:99, the Terramaster F4–424@ $303:99 or the F4-424 @399:99. Scratchin my head trying to decide! Of course I will be using it for Plex as well! Thanks!
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Newegg Canada has a competing sale—I picked up a Synology DS923+ for $659.99 CAD, which is $482.55 USD, which seems decent.
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Isn’t camelcamelcamel now owned by Amazon? Last year a few sites showed that some data was removed from camelcamelcamel just before prime day.
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For the F4-424 Pro 8 core at 559usd is this worth getting, need for virtualization and hosting as well as storage but im on tbe fence with the OS differences. Are there 3rd party os solutions like unraid better or even putting the Synology OS on this unit?
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Should I wait for ugreen DXP4800 Plus when it comes to market, or just buy Terramaster F4-464 right now, or ugreen is worth the wait?
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Not much for the UK really.
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The terramaster D8 hybrid is gone from the amazon UK 🙁
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I am looking to buy my first Synology NAS and have been waiting for the new models to come out. Hesitant to buy during this sale.
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Be aware that the Ironwoolf deal was a refurbished product. Not saying it’s bad, but something to be aware of.
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I was watching a handful of things. I saw many of these kinds of items going for these same “sale” prices 1-2 weeks ago, then this past week the price goes back up to normal price, and suddenly on “prime day” the sale price now for the same price they were 2-3 weeks ago.
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I was looking forward to buying four 8TB WD Red HDD’s, but customers are only allowed 2. Went, with five, 6TB WD Red’s instead.
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Well had been looking at the ASUSTOR Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 AS6704T as my NAS of choice. However the TERRAMASTER F4-424 was just too good a Prime day deal and ordered 1. Live in UK
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Tried to order the Synology DS923+ on B&H. It says it is still in stock but payment keeps failing. Tried 2 different cards (both of which have no issues) and it says “Problem with your payment method, please contact the card issuer”. but I am pretty sure it is a problem with their website. Too bad.
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What about 8-bay rackmount SSD NAS with a half-way decent CPU and 25GBe SFP ports? One that could host VM’s? Any options there?
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*Update* I spoke with Ugreen about launching their nas’ in the UK and this is what they said: “UGREEN NAS products are planned to be available on our official website from August 20th, 2024, and on Amazon from August 30th, 2024, pending any unforeseen delays”
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But can we trust those “renewed” 4tb hdd’s from Amazon?
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4tb seagate drive showing unavailable in uk already
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Is the Syn DS223j worth buying since it is being discontinued? Will they provide security updates for x amount of years ? Thanks for your time and the video.
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Normal state of affairs in Australia. I think we subsidise the rest of the world. In many cases it’s actually cheaper to pay the shipping and fees and purchase from overseas. I saved $800 on a robot vacuum by importing it myself.
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I really like videos like this. It shows you’ve done a lot of work and research, and I appreciate your sharing the info. Much appreciated.
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F4-424 Pro worth it at 20% off to run TrueNAS on?
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Just picked up the Asustor 6 nvme system, any recommendations when fast gen4 is probably overkill? (UK)
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Newegg has some good deals too. At least in the US.
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What’s the point of having a switch with only one 10Gb port?
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‘Fakespot’ has some very bad reviews regarding data mining!
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I look forward to these every year.
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Amazon UK are currently selling the ts-664 with a 10% off voucher till Friday 19th July so working out at £674. Not technically a Prime deal but still a good price.
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Was waiting for your wisdom Robbie, thank you Sir.
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I really want to get a Synology but the pricing!!!
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Ugreen is just so difficult to source for rest of the world and hence shouldn’t be in this list.
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Right now B&H in the US has the Synology 923+ for $479. That’s a nice deal.
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16:00 All great choices. If i hadnt just built my NAS i might have gotten the ugreen.
Slight note, in some places, it is not legal for a company to deny a warranty claim for the sole reason of using after market parts and services.
In many regions including the US and much of europe, companies are supposed to prove that the aftermarket part and service is the reason for the failure.
The problem is that many governments do not enforce their various rules which means the laws are often meaningless unless you have alot of money to fight it in court.
This is the real reason why you see this problem so often in sub $20K products, because the manufacturers know that most people are just going to eat the loss, rather than spend 15k on legal fees and months or even years in the court system.
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I really wish Intel hadnt called the N305 an i3.
We didnt call the dual core atoms in 2010 i3s just because it had double the core count of the single core Atoms.
We shouldnt call the 8 core atoms i3s now just because they have 2x the core count of the N100, especially when the PCIE lanes and memory controller have more in common with those 2010 atoms than the 2010 i3
Heck Atoms from 2013 had the same core count only uses 5 more watts, twice as many memory channels, and almost 2x as many PCIe lanes, and they were still called atoms. So why is this technically and definitively lower end atom, called an i3.
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I still wonder if it isn’t more interesting, and safer, to use your NAS only for storage, and to have a separate, more powerful server. Besides, in this case, what would be the most profitable NAS? I just realized that an N100 is more efficient in electricity than the j4125 of my TS-453D.
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As a happy Synology DS1817+ user, I can only complain about 1GbE network speed. What a shame. Hope to see 2.5 GbE or 5 GbE speed as standart. And also please support Seagate Exos series too (DS 1823xs+)
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Not to forget the QNAP TS-453E, which suddenly has two real DDR4 slots, equipped with one 1x 8GB.
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But the license N1 included is 6 device only , when you got full build (2+4) you running out of device quota for Unassigned device ….
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I miss the benches with all the NAS’es..
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Keep working on the sound … this sounds like a soup can.
Until then, use a lav mic, it’ll just sidestep the room issues.
… and did this move have anything to do with seagulls?
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New studio, very nice, very nice indeed. Fingers crossed those seagulls don’t move with you.
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You got rid of seagulls but now your chair makes their sound????????? As usually great video????‼️
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Appreciate all the reviews. I almost went with Lincstation N1 but wanted cold storage for the 2.5 inch sata bays which are extremely difficult to find in high capacity. I ended getting Asustor AS5402T which gives effectively same hardware (4 nvme bays and 2 sata bays) except full 3.5 inch bays for large cold storage. Also provides dual ethernet as well.
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Bit naughty to put UGreen in this list when they aren’t available and haven’t been proven to function well. Not available in EU. Maybe a candidate for end of 2024.
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After my disaster terramaster ???? I brought a qnap and it’s great ????
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what a shame that UGREEN NAS is not possible to buy anywhere. at least in the EU
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“taking advantage of ZFS performance” … heh, yeah
too bad ZFS doesn’t actually perform well with small storage pools that consist of only a handful of drives.
You need lots of ram, a large number of vdevs, plus non-capacity nvme ssds it can chew through, if you want a performant ZFS pool.
It is certainly flexible, and a cow is always nice to have, but performance isn’t what should be advertised when it comes to a small locked down system like the N1.
Especially when it only has one 2.5Gb port … a HDD could saturate that.
It’s a low cost solution for ppl that Don’t care about performance.
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Thks buts I still likes the attic better 😉
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A word to the wise, be sure to budget for a UPS when you purchase a NAS (as I sit here with no power, thought I would throw that in). Mine shuts down the NAS immediately, to save power for the cable modem and router.
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I’m happy with my 423+ however it annoys me that you have to use their own drives for NVME storage.
I might pick up a cheap network card so I can give it 2.5GBE via USB
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I kinda like the Ugreen, mainly because of the decent 16gb ram and 10gb + 2,5gb network, but what would you recommenfor the 2 4×4 Nvme slots, a mirror array for “important” data (since you have possible 10gbe uplink to a 2,5gbe switch, or use it for cache usage for the main sata raid ?
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Just bought the F4-424 Pro off aliexpress for 460gbp delivered.
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Are the seagulls moving too? Aint the same without them birds…
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Noticed a mistake in your description it says teremaster f f464 instead of f 424 the link is correct tho
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Glad to see the F4-424 mentioned! I’ve got the Pro, and running it with Unraid, and it’s great. I would probably recommend the non-Pro for most people, especially as N305 tends to get hotter and the N100 in non-Pro is perfectly competent.
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Where can these be purchased? I missed out on the kickstarter (cold feet).
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high pass filter….just to get rid of the low rumble every time you bump the table….just roll it off at the bottom. please? we with really good speakers just hear rumbles when you interact with the table.
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noisy chair much preferable to any Seagull! ????
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If it comes as 6-bay – I will it buy …
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It is interesting how many people are putting other things on this, basically paying for the hardware.
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Bought the 8 bay in KS, booted their OS once just to check around, then immediately installed TrueNAS Scale because they don’t have the features I need yet, iSCSI and a few others. Very happy with the system though, 8 16TB HDDs with NVME cache.
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I bought the 6 Bay / DXP6800, haven’t even opened it yet. Will wait a couple more months before I do to save myself from the first round of bugs / limited OS challenges. I am brand new to NAS and don’t have the comfort level to run / install TrueNAS, UNRAID, etc.. Thanks for the update video!
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Still not available to buy, and some complaints from people who haven’t yet received their Nas – I can’t see whether that is 1% or 10%, and I think they made it too complicated with that whole discount the $5 reservation fee thingy, and having to fill out forms with address, etc. I’m looking forward to seeing where they expand availability – hint: pick me, pick me, pick the UK. I need iSCSI but I don’t suppose that is in yet. It’s early so we have no idea if the h/w is reliable, but all their other h/w seems very reliable.
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uh-oh. pink casio video. another banger
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for only 3 months, this is pretty good progress
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Do you think UGreen will have a comparable software to synology ? Or will synology still remain supreme
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Is vadility similar to validity? Hmm…smdh
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So far almost unusable. New errors are added every day. There are a lot of complaints in the Facebook group and on the Discord. Often the whole raid breaks down and cannot be restored. The support ignores requests. I am currently very unhappy with this.
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Great summary of the OS so far, I decided to keep using the UGOS instead of using an 3rd party. However, you’ve missed that the connection to active directory doesn’t work and that fine for home users but for homelabs and businesses it’s major oversight.
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I agree with your review. It’s still beta for the UGOS.
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I would never use it since I don`t have a use case for a prebuild NAS like this, but if i had one I would be very please with this. Looking at it being their first try on NAS Systems from a company that was not in that business before is quite good and sure, a lot of things aren’t there yet, but as long as the support and development continues, that’s mostly fine with me. I will follow their development and maybe in the future I`ll even recommend them to my friends
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No snapshots?
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chinesium software should be avoided at all costs
if I’d buy one of their NASes, I’d put TrueNAS on it immediately
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It looks like it works well if used as a basic file sharing storage locally
But those promised/soon/will be there/in progress functions seem still not there “yet” ????
There is even no timetable for those things
If just need a basic storage device there are many options in the market
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Great update video, do wish ugreen had more useful apps. Is it possible u can do a video on how to install tailsacle thru docker on the ugreen NAS?
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What is the consumption with 6 disks in the ugreen dxp6800?
And temperature?
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They need to launch in the UK soon! Or I might just bite the bullet and get a Synology 🙂
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Running proxmox with a truenas VM since day 1, and it’s been perfectly reliable.
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I picked up the 4 bay “pro” model. I have only used it to host some SMB shares and for those its run flawlessly. I am very happy with it, but my usage is pretty limited.
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What desktop OS does he run? Is that Fedora Linux?
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I really need to set mine up its still in box waiting for bugs and other issues to get ironed out
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Haven’t seen it done yet, but will this run Xpenology? The hardware seems to be a great value, but hearing about shared keys and lack of proper security features worries me. This could be the perfect host for gray-market Synology DSM! And I do realize that’s very much a gray area since DSM isn’t properly open-sourced – though it possibly should be.
But licensing aside, will it run?
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One of the huge drawbacks is that they override permissions on the homedir every reboot. This makes SSH unusable with keys, only password! I asked the support and got a response that nothing they can do about permission change on the .ssh directory, that’s by design.
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is the OS outsourced by Synology? it looks too similar in every way I can’t imagine being developed independently and without lawsuits?
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Is there any official relase date for those NAS Systems?
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I hate seagulls! But I will admit the YouTube algorithm loves them.
I am waiting to purchase enough drives to fill my 6 bay up, but hopefully soon I can replace two of my Synology NAS with this running TrueNAS. I appreciate your updates on the Ugreen software.
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I don’t trust them. They added and removed links to NAS from their homepage with no indication of a wider release to the public. I’ll wait for the next Asustor and Qnap offerings
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Sadly, still not available to buy.
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Cannot wait for the retail! SSDs are waiting for the lovely 4 bay all ssd nas (and pendrive with unraid)
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I didn’t even boot into it, I have been running Unraid since I got it and it works flawlessly
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iSCSI LUN support wouldn’t go amiss either. Support for accessing external (USB and Thunderbolt) storage with MacOS Finder and Windows Explorer (not just through UGOS) is a sorely missed feature.
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I would have bought one if it were a quiet rack mount solution.
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Happy owner of a UGREEN NAS, great hardware????!
The software is nice but lacks essential features like encryption and snapshots.
I recommend installing TrueNAS Scale, you don’t need to open the device, and I’ve backed up the original OS on a USB stick.
Zero risk, TrueNAS is 100x better for advances users ????
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Please explain how you disassembled the server casing. I removed the rubber caps from the back and unscrewed the 4 screws, but I still cannot remove the server casing. I want to replace the UGREEN disk with another one and install a different OS. Video Chapters 19:24 – Internal Hardware
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And you for being the first and only one I have found that answered my question. “Can you populate this nas as you go? Thank you!
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That power draw is horrendous
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Hello, CPU is Intel® Core™ i3-N305 NOT N300, this is important, better iGPU for Plex hw transcoding, uses more power as well
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When I hear you referring to these units as “cheap” or “affordable”, I have to wonder if it’s me who’s living on another planet, or you. I think they are horrendously priced. Perhaps you are thinking of their use by large companies? But just saying they’re less horrendous than some of their competitors doesn’t make; them affordable for a lot of us.
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has anyone tried to install truenas on this particular device?
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I got my DXP4800+ a few days ago (as of this post) and while the default software looks more polished, I’m now struggling with network speed issues (facepalm). Latest software version is not helping. Goes full throttle for a few seconds, then it drops to a crawl (kb/s) I may have to give a 3rd party software a go at this rate. But I knew what I was getting myself into, so it’s just annoying, not game breaking xD
Can’t say the same for innocent people who only wanted an off the shelf experience though.
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Thanx m8. What’s so much video on the TS-464 NAS (most of the vids are yours btw). Just ordered it. So great thanx to you.
Hate seagulls too….so very much.
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Will I be able to use the thunderbolt connection to transfer files from my drobo to the urgreen?
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do you speak english?
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why do you pay for things in knickers?
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hello I’ve been wondering if I you could tell me if the the backup program can delete the photos of my iPhone, once they are uploaded to the NAS through wifi?
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Do you have a video on how to set up fs6706t for a novice?
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A few 8TB Sabrents in this bad boy would be amazing
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“Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.2 features are not compatible with Unraid right now. Users need to run a VM to use these functionalities” What is VM?
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Need some help here. Looking to trash my WD My Cloud Home Duo and get a Terramaster F4-424 pro or synology. Mostly used for multimedia and IOS backups. What would you recommend….desperately seeking direction here
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Does NASCompares always miss real world transfer speed tests or do I always miss them in these videos?
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Been seeing a lot pop up with this new company. Just nervous with new companies that they might end up like DROBO and then you are stuck with no more service or updates.
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That is splendid, but can a dentist sponsor you and fix the grill? What is it with people from the UK always having fucked up teeth.
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For those of us who have extensive 1Gbps networks and hosts that would be difficult to upgrade to anything faster than 1Gbps and not hosting a massive amount of people 1Gbps is fine. I rarely copy TB’s of data across hosts so can live with it. Really interesting product, especially for a mobile lab which is what I’m looking at it for.
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Hi … i would like to ask you one thing
Am in a confusion. Should i go for synology 422+ or 822+ or asustor fashter 12 drive bcz my main usage is plex media server or just storage and access files from internet when i am outside and save pics while am outside .. .. wht you say … which could be a better option AND ONE MORE OPTION IS QNAP 435 XEU ,,, I LIKE RACK MOUNT SYSTEM BCZ MY ALL MEDIA THINGS ARE INSTALLED IN RACK ? Please tell me which could be a better option
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Hello. I have used NAS systems since some years ago for my modest home but efficient network. I was somewhat dissappointed with the reliability of the products I’ve used so far and decided that I don’t want anymore to deal with HDD. I have decided to avoid mechanical parts as much as possible. Because of this I am exploring buying a SSD NAS system. Brands : Qnap, Asustor and LincPlus. The latter seriously brought my attention because price is very good even with some limitations such as the 2.5 G Ethernet but I can live with that within my enviroment for a NAS. I live in South America and I buy these toys when travelling to US so the risk of testing that all is working fine and that the parts I have bought are all compatible lives with me always. Anycase, I am really exited to buy the LincPlus but I’ve got the feeling that the Manufacturer does not invest too much time to be strictly tidy to describe and write which SSDs are compatible with this NAS or it is so well basically conceived that any SSD fulfilling the “M.2 NMVe 2280 SSD or 2.5 inch SSD with thickness thinner than 9.5 mm” as they explain in Amazon FAQ is the sole formula an User must adhere to buy the drives ?? Any unbinding hint, help, comments to make ? Many thanks.
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10:26 I would say it may be a question of pearls before swine. Could a N300 Celeron-class really handle a full 10G with 4 Sata drives & Nvme drives or would it bottleneck long before? If it was at least a Core i3 (or even a Pentium from the same generation) I would be a lot more sanguine.
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Dispite the downsidde I bought the DS423+ cause of the integrated graphics for transcoding…. Mind you, Im using it to store my collection of blue ray DVDs primarily, but also to run NVME’s and a couple of virtual machines….. SYNOLOGY has been smart ( and dumb depending how you wanna view it) in making only the DS920 expandable. After all it seems that Synology make you want to decide between making the NAS expandable and giving it the ability to transcode….. DAMN YOU Synology, why cant we have the cake and eat it too (if we wanna pay the money)
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Hi, i think it’s a great device, but i have two u.2 server ssd Micron and Intel, can they be used with this NAS?
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I’ll stick with Synology
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绿联真帅！期待在中国也能买到
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Take this with a grain of salt, but a live chat person on the Terramaster web site said that using the plex app you can watch media over the HDMI interface.
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Man I just built my own NAS and didn’t even know about this thing. I wish I did.
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UGreen is a Chinese company. If you don’t mind them spying on you, go ahead guys.
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Probably a great review video, but I have to say that I don’t understand point #1. I could puke looking at this device, and I wouldn’t even want to put it into a closed cabinet. It’s a great device in terms of functionality and price, I’d definitely want to see more of these on the market, but the design really rubs me the wrong way.
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The SD card is useless if you’re using a NAS like a actual NAS
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Indiegogo is the only option for some countries. Kickstarter doesn’t deliver stuff here in Brazil. Even when the campaign is on Kickstarter, I’m redirected to Indiegogo with the same campaign due my location.
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Does anybody know what is the SATA AHCI controller used on this one?
@NASCompares ?
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Привет дорогой друг! Подскажи, он действительно менее шумный, чем другие террамастер? Интересует, заглушает ли он шум дисков?
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TrueNAS Scale compatibility was my sticking point. Looking at other videos that does not seem to be an issue. Ordered it from the kickstarter. Will pair it with 4 16GB Ironwol Pro (don’t need more than that) and 2 4GB NVMe drives. Will just need to figure out the RAM specs so I can bump RAM to 64GB.
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Using a larger power supply is helpful as they run more efficiently somewhere around the middle of what they’re rated for
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Thank you for the information!
I have a question after reviewing it.
I have:
1. Synology DS-920+ NAS with four 4TB HDDs (currently in use).
2. TERRAMASTER F4-424 Pro NAS (new).
3. Four 8TB HDDs (new).
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And I have an idea:
To replace one by one all four disks in the Synology DS-920+ NAS with the new 8TB ones.
After that, take the old four 4TB disks from the Synology DS-920+ NAS and install them in the new TERRAMASTER F4-424 Pro NAS, first disabling the boot from USB in the BIOS and setting it to boot from HDD.
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QUESTION:
Do you think it’s possible to use DSM 7.2 on the new TERRAMASTER F4-424 Pro in this way?
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I have 4 Synology’s. This looks very polished with DDR RAM and a 10G NIC! I upgraded my RAM and NIC in my 1621+ and 1821+ to 32GB RAM and 10G
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Do you have any cpu heat issues? I’ve read on Reddit that some said there is design flaw that the contact of the cpu heatsink isn’t contacted correctly to the CPU
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Can it run unraid?
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Will the final released version of the Ugreen NAS’s have any different hardware or other parts inside might be different than these Kickstarter versions?
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Once again Youtubers not knowing wtf they are doing. You mention your dd “benchmark” not being cached, but it is.. That’s why your first two measurement are significantly slower; they are the real Q1T1 read speed and why copying between the drives is similarly slow. Did you really think solid state drives needs a few seconds/runs to “warm up” first, lol? Fast NVMe needs more than QD1 to achieve max sequential performance, which makes dd a terrible benchmark for them.
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The M.2 is still moving data at much faster than the Ethernet speed.
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1000th like! (if I’m to believe YouTube.)
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Your main camera is the only thing you need
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I agree with you on two factor security being key. I am going to get a unit ones your pleased. I am 84 years old, Physicist, am spend 54 years working on Eglin AFB.
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What are the physical dimensions?
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I was interested in the 4bay or 6bay options… The 3dP OS capability does not look important compared to their inability to provide delivery to some countries on the planet *apart from two (2!)*… That, also coupled with a strange KickStarter-only nice price, looks like another blatant cashgrab, like several other KickStarter projects.
This is definitely not befitting a company with more than 10yrs presence on the market – it creates a bad precedence for their future product lines and it is a valid reason for many people to stay away .
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What are some good alternatives for DXP4800 plus from Synology? I like synology better and would like to put my money in who is in the industry for a longer period?
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Hard sell for the F4-424 when the DS423+ is also $499.
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I know the constant use of the word “Utilised” is intentional – to cater to American audiences’ distorted English. But it does grate!
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I’m interested in the 8 bay variant as I currently have a 4 bay synology and when that fills up I’m going to need more bays. Im hoping for something where I can still slowly upgrade the storage one drive at a time like the synology. Im wondering if the OS or an alternate one can support that since this seems a better value than getting a synology 8 bay.
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Looking at the KS page, it seems this is only shipping to USA & Germany, so can’t actually back it in the UK
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I recently ordered one from their site, and they just did a “refund confirmation” email that showed X cents refunded, and then they emailed me asking how much was refunded to “confirm the order.” Weirdly nothing was refunded to my actual card, I only got an email, so at best this checks whether I have access to my email… Seems somewhat concerning and scam-y, hoping it’s just a weird ordering system…
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Phenomenal review. Being the first time considering buying a nas what is your opinion on buying this or something else instead?
I want to finally centralise my file system but it does become incredibly confusing.
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Does anyone know the idle power consumption of the just SSD version?
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the 40% early bird discount is what got me to back this product. I have a Ryzen 2700x from a prior system of mine that is mostly sitting unused. I would just need need a new a case and motherboard, preferably RAM as well, but being able to lock in $600 for a six-bay NAS is incredible.
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I want to see the review of the DXP8800 Plus please.
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The move here is to put truenas scale on it and call it a day, probably makes a perfectly competent truenas box, and you get all of the features you could ever want, probably more performant too
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Your are not reviewing the 4800 but the 4800 Plus.
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33:30 38:11 These are not beta issues.
UGreen NASes were manufactured for a non-English market and did not successfully sell. Their kickstarter is a well-veiled fire sale; project -rewardees- backers beware.
Nice video ???? great YT channel. Thank you.
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5 core? 6 threads??? How, what, I’m so curious what is under the hood of that CPU
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6 Bay for 600 bucks is so tempting that I might just spring for it. This was a fantastic in depth review and I greatly appreciate you making it!
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I like this NAS, but compared to the Synology that uses a 12cm fan that is easily replaceable, the ugreen uses a rather custom fan that can be potentially hard to replace if it fails
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Would there be any benefits/possibilities of running XPEnology bootloader on this platform (i5 gen12) and boot DSM 7 ?
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Question: Have you enable jumbo frames on your OS NIC settings? Thx
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Why does the spec sheet list that the 2 bay and 4 bay use 32gig EMMC OS drives? I won’t buy devices that use soldered EMMC storage.
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Why the hell they only send to USA and Germany ?!
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Thanks for this. Not sure how I missed the boat about that 40% discount but that alone has gotten me very interested in this, so it seems I have less than 24 hours to decide if I want to pull the trigger or not.
For that price with that hardware, I’m considering just getting the 8 bay and sitting on it a while until I can get good prices on drives and give them time to sort out the software etc. or reverse the decision about voiding the warranty if you install another OS. It’s completely unusable for me without Docker anyway, as I do everything with Docker Compose.
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Do these units support RAID?
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The Synology NAS is absolutely noiseless
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*Update on the use of 3rd Party OS’ on UGREEN NAS with hardware, with regard to warranty*: “The Ugreen team confirms that whatever is promised in their warranty policy will not change, which only covers the hardware. They also mention that there is a risk of damage if you install a third-party OS, including data loss and compatibility issues, etc.” – Ugreen Representative, 26/3/24
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Thanks for the review always appreciated. Very disappointed by Ugreen policy to limit starter to Germany and the US. Why many people are getting test units for free outsides of those 2 countries, but was refused to subscribe
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by chance does anyone know if this kickstarter is going to be able to be delivered to the UK? I’ve seen contradicting info
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If they add a few as certain functionality and improve security and 3rd party support (PLEX and such). Also if they offer something similar to Synology SHR raid configuration I would definitely consider switching from Synology.
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A few questions, does it come with 3.5 to 2.5 inch adapters? Also do you have the 6 bay model? curious about the size of the PCIE x4 expansion slot, wondering if one can shove a GPU in there
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I’m seriously regretting my QNAP TS-464 purchase 16 month ago. It looks like Ugreen have done an initial good job. It looks a smart thing, probably the best looking box out of all of the competition if it’s on show. The SD slot, brilliant addition, I don’t regularly use SD cards, but sometimes I do get client video footage on SD cards, and it would be great to just dump straight to the NAS.
Finally, a NAS that has easy access for the RAM and NVME slots, the TS-464 isn’t too bad as you just pull the drive bays to get access, but my hands aren’t great and I struggled to get RAM and the NVMe’s into the slots; the access panel is great, I remember the days laptops had them and upgrading the RAM and drive was a 5 min job. It’s also great to see the OS being an actual removable drive, so if the drive fails, or you need more space for apps etc, you can upgrade it, big thumbs up there, it should increase the life span of the NAS, as I’m sure over the years the OS will get larger.
Onboard 10Gbe is a massive plus, but it needs to be true 10Gbe, 700-900mb/s transfers realistically, otherwise work on a solid 5Gbe the is consistently 500mb’s. I’ve added the 10Gbe NVMe addin card to the TS-464, in hindsight a waste of time and money due to PCIe lane limitations that I didn’t fully understand when I bought the NAS, the best transfer speeds I get is 270-500mb/s (more often than not the lower end of that range), the 2.5Gbe is also great too rather than 1Gbe. How I’ve got my networking set up is, all my containers use the 2.5Gbe port and 10Gbe is restricted to video editing PC interaction.
Software – 100% agree on the UI font, it’s awful, and akin to the 90s/early 2000s, it certainly isn’t on brand with Ugreen branding, on their website they use Poppins font, why wasn’t that used? A modern on brand font needs to be used to fit the overall look of the NAS. The transfer status definitely needs to be in window as well as in the main Tasks menu, QNAP and Synology both have a status icon on the window you started the transfer in, with a popout for all current tasks, including remotely started tasks. Custom folders for media definitely needs to be enabled. The OS definitely has a Synology feel about it, rather than QNAP, I think it’s wise for Ugreen to go for something in between, I’m use to QNAP’s QTS, I find Synology’s OS a little too simplistic, but something in the middle would be nice for the average user. For all the flaws in the software, the good thing is it is software and can be improved with each update, more important is the hardware is right, and I think overall they are offering a far better hardware package than anyone else.
Regardless of the current state and we know it’s not finished, if Ugreen really are serious about getting into the NAS game, this and future products really could shake up the turn key NAS market, I honestly think QNAP and Synology isn’t always the best value for money, and often their hardware choices on stunted their NAS’s.
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The ability to us TrueNAS or another opensource NAS OS is a deal breaker for me. I do like the hardware but the OS is just missing too much to day to day operation.
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11:02 that’s maybe on purpose to catch vibrations?
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+Like just for saying 4 times 4 and not this stoopit “ex” fad that seems to have taken over most tech channels.
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Thanks for showing how hard it is to install another OS on it…that was pretty extreme????
37-53W seems like a lot of power for a NAS…and this isn’t even the 1235u 6 bay I’d get ????
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I like Synology software – with a bit of luck this UGREEN NAS will finally force Synology to put some decent hardware in their next “plus” generation – much better CPU, integrated GPU, 10GbE, more RAM – and also move away from their lock-in on RAM modules and HDD on their higher end gear. If not, as the software evolves, I might just have to make the move.
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Looks great, but UGREEN should stick with their stuff which are good. A Nas is a very complicated product to execute properly. I bought a second hand NAS from QNAP, and this thing is old; and still recieves some updates now and then. I do not see this happening with UGREEN. The cooling, i see no proper vents on the front. So it looks like it will suffocate a bit in warmer weather. Also, a little critisism; the splitscreen video for showing closeups is not really an addition, the right side image is a tad soft and less contrasty. The audio/video lag between the two shots is distracting more than it is worth your time editing this in. Your main camera captures it all just fine in my opinion.
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Can these NAS drives be used for storage and play of 4k UHD Blu-ray Discs? Would I need additional hardware to stream it over my home network through the newest Apple TV? I am quadriplegic and can’t change discs without help so this device could be very helpful and freeing for me. Thanks for reading.
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Does it support truenas?
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This misses the big one ….would you trust a Mainland Chinese company with being the center of your network? …Why do you think they only want their own OS ??? What else is in there????
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Will this get Docker and Plex? It looks like a really attractive option but my main uses would be just for Plex and maybe a minecraft server.
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I don’t think we really need yet another NAS OS, especially not a Chinese made one. So can you run Unraid or even better TrueNAS on these UGREEN boxes?
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watched the whole length of this review, thanks! … they need to sort the software issues out quick and at least with a video/streaming app too
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Thank you for your review. Is it possible to connect another computer directly to this nas via cable to open the disks?
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As someone completely new to this space I had a question. The transfer speeds that you showed over 10gbe was slow and again sorry for my incompetence when asking this but, thats transfer stuff over the network so wireless right? I have a mac studio that has a 10gb ethernet port could I plug the ethernet cable directly from my mac to the NAS and receive much fast speeds?
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Waited so long for you review! Huge fan of yours since I am new to this whole NAS topic and your videos are really helpful!
Is it in general possible to use this NAS (or any other) for hoarding data, especially videos etc and use a Mini PC as the Plex server that accesses the videos from the NAS?
My use case would be mostly for storing digital documents, photos and videos. Since they currently don’t seem to have a Plex app, I wonder if above solution would be possible.
I am currently cheering for this device due to the comparably great hardware/€…
Would rather use synology but cannot believe what kind of hardware they are selling compared to others
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If the only thing that we miss out on is the warranty but we still have the option to install 3rd party OS options. then I think that’s acceptable. worst case use it stock until the warranty expires then upgrade to a supported 3rd party OS (or sooner if you don’t care about the warranty)
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*Please note that The UGREEN NASync Series Kickstarter campaign currently only supports shipping to addresses in the United States and Germany.
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I hope we can get a stable version of TrueNAS Scale to run into this until the UGOS get better.
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Too bad there’s no AMD version. I boycott Intel processors.
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I’ve been saying for a while that I don’t understand why this processor hasn’t been more popular with these kind of devices. The 5 core 1P+4E benchmarks pretty close to the N100 overall, but it has a bunch more PCIe lanes.
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That mobile app is such a mess. Too many taps to see a photo
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Idle at 60w, it’s crazy! My old 12700k build with proxmox and a few powertop tuning idle at around 30w
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What are the dimensions of the case? Will the 6-bay and the 8-bay model be the same height?
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Looks good I am considering; however …… they should have concentrated on the hardware and put something like TrusNAS on, or allow you to choose an OS when purchasing. Companies shouldn’t keep trying to reinvent systems. Would have been relased quicker and less expensive without their custom software. I would be happy with Ubuntu server with ZFS. But would be overkill, so I should stick to repurposing old hardware I suppose.
I worry about the Drobo situation if they kill this project. Wouldn’t be great running out of date NAS software.
The hardware looks great and mature.
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Thx4ur hard worx! I will get my hands on 6bay variant as an update for my Qnap TS-452-D2-8G only as a secure datavault (raid5, snapshots and backup). So the kickstarter prize triggers me and i love to see further updates of ur intel.
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Great review. I’ll pass now and pick up a QNAP instead since I need Plex support sooner than later and there is no timeline on that, let alone everything else to do with its software. Thank you again!
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Thanks for the great in-depth review <3 I have a DS918+ and am considering to get a 6 or 8 bay solution. UGREEN is also fairly intriguing from a pure pricepoint pov (with the 40% KS discount). I don't seem to find any good alternative around a similar pricepoint these days, any thoughts from a pure $$$ pov?
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Would you buy it to run unraid? I’m looking to replace my aging home built nas.
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What is the direction of the fan in relation to the filter, from front to back or from back to front.
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no ECC support no ZFS?
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so are UGREEN happy for you to take it all apart?… I can only imagine their faces as they watch this…
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The software looks a lot like DSM. We cant tell from this video (for sure, the deep dive will show more) but the visuals of the interface looks like DSM, so much in fact … maybe a bit copy/paste.
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I don’t like external PSU, I don’t mind the NAS itself a bit bigger.
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I feel like a n00b asking this, but is your video of the interface accelerated at all? I have a pretty beefy QNAP and it in no way responds that quickly.
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Commenting before watching: I’m really excited to see Ugreen break in to this space and see what they can bring to the table! I’ve been enjoying their designs in the charger and adapter sector. While I don’t yet see them as a name that’s synonymous with guaranteed quality and the highest standards, they do seem to be pushing competition in value delivered. I think that’s very exciting for us laymen!
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totally agree with you on the sd card slots, it always seemed weird to me how many off the shelf nases don’t have one when they seem to mostly advertise to photographers and other content creators who are mostly moving data from sd cards anyway.
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Can you swap the fan to something like a noctua?
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Yeah, I”m gonna stick with my Asustor.
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way too expensive
if you’re gonna put only 4 drives and an underpowered cpu in the machine just buy a 10 year old secondhand computer.
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I like to see new players entering the market. I feel like Symbology has become lazy in recent years and needs a kick up the bum (Low ram, 1GB ports, etc).
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Awesome review! Many thanks! ????Looking forward to the TrueNAS/Proxmox UGREEN video ????
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*Apparently, Unraid’s disk and thus network performance should be much slower than that of Qnap and Synology,* for example, because Unraid does not work with the usual RAID, but has invented something itself. *Is that true?*
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60W idle power consumption is a no go. This would cost 160€ in energy per year in germany. No wonder noone else is talking about the power consumption. If it stays like that i am out.
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At least it isn’t storaxa
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Biggest issue for me is it is a custom Linux kernel. From a Chinese company ????
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Wait they put drmos vrm on that thing ????
Hardware looks nice ,just software still need some work to become a turkey nas product
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The thing is, I don’t mind beta products for many uses, but my storage systems need to be solid. My current 3-drive NAS has been running for over 10 years.
I can’t see trusting an incomplete, crowdfunded solution. And, face it, the main reason for crowd funding is when the company doesn’t have the resources to complete the device without getting money up front. My conclusion is that either Ugreen really doesn’t have many resources or they are using crowd funding as a method of marketing.
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Let’s see if this “turkey solution” with their super confident OS works out of the box or not
Yep very confident on OS and restricted plus not very confident and raise as crowds funding … Odd
If it works really great then with the strict OS limitation might still be considerable
If it needs tons of user manual work to make it work and they are still playing stupid OS restriction policy to Dodge support ticket then sorry, skip
Thank you for reviewing this ????
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Ughhh….getting closer to having real ECC memory but still not there. ODECC is not for data retention. When are these manufacturers going to learn a NAS is for long term storage for so many. Would have bought into the kickstarter for the flash version if it supported true ECC memory. Would already have the Asustor flash version if it supported ECC memory.
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Is there a regular UEFI/BIOS that would allow to use an alternative NAS OS such as UnRAID, FreeNAS in conjunction with the USB port?
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Will they allow you to buy 2 units with ONE $5 deposit?
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I hear seagulls. More than the device. Hahaha
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Excellent video.i really like your videos. So what is ur suggestion..do the diy like i9 erying PROJECT or buy the ugreen nas 6 bay and wait for them to do some miracle to software or allow 3rd party O.S?
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im just about ready to transition from a 4 bay to an 8 bay so I think im going to snag the 8 bay for the discount and sit on it while things get ironed out. The price for that hardware is just too good that that price imo. Great review!
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That you have to disassemble the whole thing to get to the drive where the OS is installed is a big NOGO
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Already been burned by a Kickstarter NAS crowd funding, I lost a large sum of cash, be careful.
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I still don’t understand why UGreen needs to crowdfund this product…
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When you backup photos can you make it delete the photos on your phone once those are uploaded?
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Nice hardware specs, but now a total failure unless you live in the US or Germany. I was very excited initially, I was ready to order on the kickstarter, I need a new NAS now, but then found out if you now don’t live in those places then you have no idea when it will come to other regions. The RRP is not in the least competitive so unless you have loads of spare Dosh and don’t care about cost, you will choose a different vendor – Ugreen have no pedigree with NAS devices, they have no track record with NAS systems. I have tons of Ugeen devices, love them, but this NAS release is totally daft and a massive turn off. I will get the Terramaster instead, the 424 has good hardware, a sensible price, and a good pedigree, and if don’t like TOS I can replace with TrueNAS or Unraid, or Proxmox. I feel quite let down, especially as the restriction to US and Germany only appeared later.
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Thank you for the video.
I really like this product, and for me, a 40% discount to essentially be a public beta tester with such good hardware seems reasonable. I think we have to consider the price difference between the Kickstarter campaign and the recommended retail price (RRP). It’s unfinished, the OS still needs some work, but I think that makes the 40% price discount reasonable.
I mean, if we compare this to other NAS devices at the same price segment, we have to overpay for the software on those (bundled with really weak hardware). Although I still think (and I think I mention this all the time) that most of the software options other brands offer are still much worse than 90% of the open-source counterparts, but it is what it is. Most people like it for some reason. Although in my humble opinion, Synology is kind of the Apple of the NAS world. Until you show people that there are much better solutions, they are fine with something mediocre. Like… a usable Docker UI on any one of the NAS OSes?… Anyone?… They should just stop wasting development time on creating limited, useless “apps.” They are in the F league compared to the mature open-source solutions like Portainer, Yacht, heck even DockGE, which is like 4 months old with only a single main developer.
The only thing I really dislike in the Ugreen NAS lineup is the price difference between the 6 and 8-bay models. A 50% price increase for just +2 disk bays? For that $300 price difference, I can pick up a 6-bay USB DAS (for example from Terramaster) and double the number of my bays.
I have two questions, if you have some time. Does the fan in this model have a regular 3 or 4-pin fan connector, or is it something proprietary (like TerraMaster’s mini connector)? Just because with a 5-year life expectancy, it would be cool to be able to swap out the fan for something else in case it has any problems (like wearing out the bearings and starting to be louder).
Also, since you have experience with the TerraMaster F4-424 (Pro), which is probably the only comparable product to Ugreen’s 4-bay models at the moment (hardware-wise), and both have one large fan at the end, is there any meaningful difference regarding noise levels between the two? I don’t need exact measurements; I am just curious if you have any opinion on this topic.
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But, can it run Crysis? (AKA TrueNas)
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I was pretty interested but after I watched a Q&A video where they mentioned if you install any other OS they’d void the warranty… Nah. Currently considering a DIY NAS…
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0:12: ⚙️ Overview of the UGREEN NASync DXP4800 NAS crowdfunding campaign and hardware specifications.
5:17: ???? Unique design with lockable bays, USB ports, and bold text sets the UGREEN NASync DXP4800 apart.
10:10: ???? Issues with tray sturdiness in NASync DXP4800 system despite overall sturdy build and ventilation.
14:59: ⚙️ Overview of design and connectivity features of UGREEN NASync DXP4800 NAS.
19:43: ???? Exploring the internal components of a NAS device, including the motherboard, CPU, and SSD.
24:20: ???? Review of UGREEN NASync DXP4800 software features and client application for local network access.
28:32: ⚙️ User-friendly folder creation and management with comprehensive options, lacking advanced security features.
33:03: ????️ Exploration of geolocation data and AI photo recognition features in NASync DXP4800 NAS.
37:59: ???? Beta features include LED scheduling, language issues, and occasional Chinese notifications.
42:04: ???? Enhancements in system configuration backup and network settings reset needed for UGREEN NASync DXP4800 NAS.
47:21: ⚡ Comparison of data transfer speeds between two NVMe SSDs in UGREEN NASync DXP4800 NAS.
51:33: ???? Detailed overview of the network interface, hardware information, and app management on UGREEN NASync DXP4800.
55:45: ⚙️ Evaluation of UGREEN NASync DXP4800 prototype software and build quality.
Timestamps by Tammy AI
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Can we get the measurements of the retail box it ships in?
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Not open to UK buyers!
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Too many variables and in beta to purchase or kick-start
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Just FYI, you used 10Gbe but kept the MTU at 1500. You should test with jumbo frames (9000 MTU).
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This looks pretty great for a first gen product not going to lie.
As long as they keep pushing good updates to the operating system, things should shape up to be a really great competitor. If they keep the price affordable people will 100% go UGREEN
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First of all, thank you for the detailed test of the hardware and software. I think you are the only yt who does such a great and detailed test, that’s why you got my subscription. I have been waiting impatiently for this video review. As I understand it, the hardware is great and the software is still in beta. Now I don’t know whether I should buy the 4800 plus or 6800 pro or the 480t plus. I want to use the Nas as a Plex Media Server, Portainer, VM, backup of my Apple devices. This should be my 1st Nas with which I don’t want to have any trouble for years. So I trust your suggestions and advice. Would appreciate some advice from you and thanks for the great work ????????????????????????
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All these new devices coming out will force sonology to innovate on the hardware side of things and stop being so particular with low end hardware. Maybe even lower their prices.
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I hope the final product will allow me to use ZFS instead of Btrfs.
Otherwise I could always disable the watchdog, enable UEFI boot and boot unRAID from a USB stick, I guess… ????
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I’m thinking of using the 2 nvme 4+4=8tb with docker and lancache with one of the 10gb nic. Then make a raid with the hard drive for my network share drive using the other 10gb nic.
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That’s a great review and the NAS is very very promissing. Finally seems like some competition for Synology and QNAP. May I ask if it would be possible to do a PLEX review with this device? I’m very curious to see how it performs. Thanks a lot and keep up the great work!
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Great fair review – shame its not available in the UK – Germany and US only. Im sure they will learn and go with third party OS surely.
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Not buying something that might be some day. I’ll check it out when its really for sale.
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Storaxa a ruined me on cheap Chinese hardware. Will not back another. Ever.
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That power consumption would absolutely kill my buying intentions if it stays that way.
Would love to see its idle power with Unraid and powertop.
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Do you know, if on the 6 bay and 8 bay Versions, the Thunderbolt on the front is to connect to the Computer direkt, so the NAS
can be used as a Storage pool, or is the thunderbolt port in front only for a external hard drive to connect?
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Great Review. What’s really a bummer is the idle power consumption of about 55w with 4 drives. That’s about 35w for the nas alone, which sums up to 300kwh a year. In Germany this alone costs 100€ on the energy bill for the nas alone.
Existing products like QNAP TS-464 needs about half of that in idle.
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I will have a hard time forgiving Ugreen for limiting launch (and discounts) to 2 countries. Just my POV.
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This is only available to the USA and Germany right?
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My 6 year old Synology DS1618+, populated with 6 Iron Wolf Pro 7200rpm drives, gets 733 MB/s write and 1026 MB/s read over a 10 gigabit network.
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Which way does the air travel through the system? Is it from rear to front or vice versa? The reason I ask is I suspect that I would assume that the air is coming in from the font and is blown out the back at which point the filter in the back is of no use.
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Hardware is awesome, but the software seems to need some time to mature. Voiding the warranty if you install an alternative OS is a bit disappointing.
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Man the UI looks very similar to Synology.
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For the SSD model review, I think the following would make your review stand out from the rest. Can you test RAM with speeds above 4800? Does it support XMP? Can it do 48GB sticks? What happens when you use 990 EVOs that only use 2 lanes of Gen 4, will all of them run at Gen 4 for speeds then? How well does thunderbolt 4 behave on Unraid. Just some points I think people would like to know, keep up the great work!
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1st. Thanks Robbie for this review!
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Can you recommend me a NAS or DAS that allow me to host a website and allow me to access the website publicly? Does it have a built in DDNS to access the website or I have to sign up a with a 3rd party Free DDNS?
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Most gen4 SSDs are available with heatsinks, so that issue is solved. Quite an appealing device, this, and the HCL lists a lot of consumer SSDs.
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To bad the price on their shop now is 450€ is it still worth it than? Or is the Asustor better value?
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Should have come in a six bay version
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Currently using Synology DS 220 J NAS at the moment, but I have realised it may not be enough for what I am now looking at. As much as I like the Synology operating system, the fact that Synology are saying you have to use Synology branded nvme drives and or DDR 4 memory, to make upgrades to Synology NAS you may like are just over priced. QNAP, they give you a list of recommended, and obviously and the hardware in this NAS just standard is very good..
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How much wattage does it consume in idle?
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Is it possible to install XPENOLOGY to it?
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And what about docker? Is it still 6 years old?
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Thanks, great detail in the video, especially around capabilities to mix’n’match storage into separate RAID groups. Any chance you’ve done performance benchmarks using RAID10? I’m a fan of RAID10 despite the storage capacity hit, due to the low impact on CPU and typically higher throughputs.
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Im curious how is the hdmi out put looks like? Just a command prompt? No gui? I never use nas before but. Can we access the nas like pc anywhere/team viewer? Where u can access the nas from primary computer and orginize the files between nas drives and you can turn off the primary computer and leave the nas to finish copy/moving files between the drives?
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Thanks, your benchmark result of <800 MB/s sequential write (Overall) is not far from what I am getting. This is a real world performance. Too bad it cannot hit 1GB/s constant write speed. For others who are interested, initial sequential write speed is close to 1GB/s for first 5sec, after that 850MB/s until 30sec, then dropped to ~600MB/s until the end. Testing using 100GB file. One more unofficial fact is this N5105 works with 32GB Ram although intel specify 16GB as max, and Asustor also put 16 max. I do not have 64GB ram to test. The 32GB Ram i have is stripped from my old laptop, ECC 3200 Mhz Ram (also works as non ECC). Adding ram from 16 to 32 does not help in write speed.
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37:30 i wonder when the tower of nases is going to crumble
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They’ve definitely stepped up their design game over the past 12-months, their 9-12 boxes look ???????? unfortunately though, both main contender-brands (TerraMaster and ASUSTOR) have failed to pay attention at the higher end, which is, people want PCIe and other slots..
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I’m torn on waiting for this to become widely available in the UK (Amazon say they sell it but they don’t) or get the regular F4-424. I would like to use it to watch 4K video to a TV and massive backups. Nothing more than that. No other streaming, no surveillance, no web server stuff, etc, maybe some Docker stuff later on but for now just back up and watching videos.
Should I wait or get the regular version which is available right now? Will the lower CPU and Memory matter?
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I am a bit confused, where are the thermal pads supposed to be? I see it on the top of some M.2s but also at the bottom.
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I enjoyed this review. The problem now with this and other NAS drives is the price that HDD’s have reached to put inside them. HDD’s have now become ridiculously expensive. Will they ever come back down in price. Even external desktop expansion drive prices have gone through the roof.
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I mean, ports…thats more than any Synology – 2.5G + HDMI + USB-C
People should really think about these units!
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Extra like for the seagull’s flight. :)))
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Don’t suppose you could offer some info on ee’s new 5g router. I can’t find any info on it at all. It’s model is hh20c
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Is this that much better than the qnap ts-464? Or does the processor in this just outclass the qnap?
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Can you tell me where u found the dual 2.5gb ethernet usb c?
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Just received my unit ????
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Is this version quieter than the previous F4-423 model? I have one for almost a year now, using it with TrueNAS, so there is no fan-speed control and I think it is a bit too loud for my taste. Also, the full metal chassis is just resonating with the drives sometimes. I would be happy to switch to one of the newer versions if I knew that it would be quieter than the current one.
Also, can that one big fan cool down 4 “normal” disks? I mean, the non-Exos/non-datacenter, simple NAS drives like Ironwolf or Red series.
32GB RAM is not an issue with that chip. Intel has been playing this game for a while now when they handicap these lower-end chips with arbitrary limitations (like the 1 DIMM channel only…), but the supported memory configuration on the Ark site is such a joke sometimes… Even the older N5095/N5105 chips were able to handle 2*16GB RAM, while the Ark page states the max supported memory size is 16GB. I have an i7-1360P mini PC at home, originally the Ark page stated that the max memory config is 32GB, but it later got updated to 96GB (I have a 2*48GB config in it, and it works like a charm…). I also have an N100 machine at home, which handles a 48GB DIMM, and it has the same memory controller as the N300/305. Heck, dmidecode reports that even 64GB is supported, although as far as I know, there are no 64GB DDR5 SODIMM modules available as of now, so we will see some time in the future.
Also, I found it quite interesting when you said that it would be good to see their solution instead of VirtualBox. While I hate that software, I would love to see a NAS software that leverages popular open-source solutions. Like for example, every brand has its own Docker app. But why? I had a Synology NAS, and that docker interface is horrible IMHO. So they spend a bunch of resources to develop something, that could be entirely replaced by simply pre-installing Portainer with Docker. It is an open-source, well-known solution, that is miles better than anything that I have ever seen on any NAS. But this way, they had to develop it, and now they have to maintain and support it, which uses a bunch of resources instead of simply using something popular with a good reputation. I don’t think that Portainer is the only docker UI that should exist, but even if someone has other preferences, they would still probably agree that it is way better than any one of the “custom” NAS solutions.
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Raises the customer’s hardware expectations . . .
Will new products from Synology have more powerful processors and 10 Gbe adaptive network connection?
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Can you please say something about the fan noise compared to the QNAP 464?
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i3-n305 works fine also with 48GB DDR5 module ! Someone should check it in Terra master.
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Hi, Please i beg you to do plex performance without hardware transcoding, purely cpu transcoding
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Everything looks amazing, *except* that 2 year warranty. That’s an instant no go for me. I was ready to buy today otherwise.
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Very nice review of this unit. I picked one up from the Amazon link. I have heard a lot of people say not to use the m.2 for caching but instead to setup one or both of the m.2 slots with drives for running the TOS and applications. If I did that, then what setup would you suggest? One or two m.2 drives? What size drive(s)?
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Is it possible to run Windows on bare metal with this system? This looks like it could be an ideal BlueIris system.
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I been thinking i purchase one to run my home lab, proxmox with truenas, home assistant, and other things.. i think would work fine right? That way i can remove my old qnap and my nuc and replace with just onde device..
The only downside i can find is number of usb ports, i will need to had a hub, to connect my 3d printer and ZigBee dongle.
I don’t think i can diy a nas with same hardware for the same money.. Or i am wrong?
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Does Terramaster have a virtual machine option that runs Terramaster OS? – Similar to a virtual DSM (synology)
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I seriously hate all the bloat and BS that is included and ENFORCED by default with QNAP NAS’s these days, which means it *can* take upwards of 10 minutes to shutdown, reboot and boot back up to a useable system.
The Terramaster NAS’s I’ve used so far, have been lightening fast in use, but is severely crippled by crap software. Local backup -> USB always fails. There’s no way to have logs emailed. ISCSI backup is flakey.
I terms of the N300 CPU, it’s only listed as supporting 16GB DDR5 so that particular CPU doesn’t take market share away from Intel’s other low end CPU’s.
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Great review as always. Agree with you on the 10Gbe omission…. Whilst talking about new releases, do you have any info/predictions for the Ugreen nas? Thanks Rob.
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Does it support ECC? I know it officially doesn’t but sometimes they unofficially support it.
Also just because the CPU doesn’t officially support 32GB, it doesn’t mean it won’t work reliably. Because it could just be a soft limitation.
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Terramaster with unraid is very good
Got one of the compact 6bay model running unraid which is super good and also slient (because how unraid work)
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My sincere compliments for your correct pronunciation of ‘Celeron’….well done! 🙂
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i think for the normal nas home user 10gbe isn’t important and the overwhelming majority won’t have 2.5 gbe either. I know nobody I know uses it at the moment. I think for people running some high end network it might be a big deal. I think for most people it’s an after thought. I don’t think most people want to buy all new gear, switches, routers or whatever at like triple the cost to get those speeds.
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Had one delivered last week. Runs unRAID perfectly! 4x12TB spinning rust plus a couple of 512GB NVMe for cache.
Very happy with this after downsizing from a Fractal R5.
Gonna see if I can get a couple of heatsink shims on the SSD, as they can get a little toasty at times when downloading saturates the broadband link (1 gigabit).
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4 HDDs? In 2024. Really??? ????????♀️????????♀️????????♀️. What nonsense. And for those who don’t understand why it is nonsense, please refrain from commenting back. Thanks.
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Is there a possibility to use it as a DAS to one computer via the 10GB USB Port and as a NAS to the network? Thanks
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Great review! Do you think Synology will release a 4 bay NAS with equivalent CPU’s in 2024? I’m looking at getting my first NAS (mainly for Plex) but I’m put off by the old CPU’s Synology rocks at the moment. The F4-424 looks pretty strong for Plex – I’m not sure if it’s potentially overkill for 4k remux etc…
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Hoping that Terramaster release an 8 bay version (F8-424 Pro?) with 64GB of RAM support. Together with the dual NVMe slots – this would be an ideal box for my uses (unRAID).
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Any word on when these will be available?
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Great Review, i think iwould put Unraid on it, it is aroud 60 Euro and so much easier ….
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I would like Robbie to add a piece in EVERY NAS product review in the future. Immediately before the ‘Review Verdict & Conclusion’ section, what are the close peers to the NAS being reviewed. That is, if you like the specs of this NAS, also look at ‘these models’ from ‘these manufacturers’.
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It would be interesting to know if they still have an internal USB Drive for the NAS Software installation, like the previous models. That can open the door to alternative NAS OS like TrueNAS Scale. The Hardware looks decent. The memory recommendation from Intel does not mean that 32GByte ran unstabilly. I ran my SandyBridge Intel i7 Mac for 7 years with 16GByte, and 8GByte was officially supported by Intel. No problem at all! Just a better performance.
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Great review
Still don’t get the no hdmi out.
I disagree on the 32gb ram, I am 100% sure that is going to be fine…
Yes 730€ here in monkey land Spain is way too much and sadly as soon as qnap or synology releases theirs (because they will have to) it will be double that price.
Finally 30:31 Holy crap my heart skipped a beat when you bumped your whole NAS pyramid on the desk. ????
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I have to say that I encounter the problem of your reviews beeing to good. I thought about getting this and now that you said that Qnap (that i dont get because of security) would let me start a virtual machine using the HDMI (what i wanted to do with this Terramaster) I’m angry once again, because the system is almost perfect besides this point.
I just want a NAS that i can hook up to my TV to maybe play some SNES emulator or old games on it. I would like a OS that doesnt tell me that my HDDs are about to fail after 2 years (hello synology), forces me to use their own SDDs (synology again) or is a security risk to get hacked and host my movies on the internet from my IP (QNAP). I mean i could deal with the extra price on the SSD and ignore the HDD warning on a Synology, but they dont have the HDMI port and the slow connection makes SSDs pointles. So i guess i wait a bit longer to see if terramaster rolls out a “HDMI Gui” or hope that synology releases a product that doesnt have limits from the start to indirecly force to be willing to upgrade to the next model?
But well… i still respect Terramaster for this release and hope that QNAP gets their security done to force Synology out of their comport zone.
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$700 for the unit. This would cost $1400 if sold by Synology.
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Yeah, only real bad thing with these N chips, Intel still seems to be reserving features for their enterprise line of CPUs like extra PCI-E lanes.
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If only it was available for purchase. Not on Amazon yet.
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The new chasis looks like a slim down DS920+
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???? from Ukrainiane ????????
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Would you consider reviewing your unit compared to the model they are shipping out to their backers? The units everyone are receiving, have very loud fans. This isn’t the model you reviewed.
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I am debating between DIY vs Terramaster F4-423 (currently at $399) vs this unit (Flashtor 6). I’ll be using it for basic storage and remote cloud access (Gdrive GPhotos replacement potentially Home Plex Server). What do you recommend?
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no reason you should have to use cli. That should all be in the gui. It should all be a choice.
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My IndieGoGo Lincstation N1 turned up at lunchtime today. I added a couple of m.2 SSDs and got the included unraid up and running in no time. I even got Jupyter Notebooks running as App. Thanks so much for the heads up on this. BTW the SSD temp warning level had been tweaked upwards.
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Seriously considering one of these. M.2 is cheaper than SATA for flash storage.
Any other storage appliance offering a good option for flash storage is incredibly expensive.
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What is the Synology nas to buy for me to run Plex
Cheers
Jim
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Good video, I’m thinking about getting the 6 slot version for my storage needs at the lab!
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but a normal array in Unraid DOES NOT SUPPORT TRIM. Therefore, full flash arrays are not recommended. If you’re going to use full flash with Unraid, you’ll need to use ZFS to get TRIM support.
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Too much talking, not enough substance just couldn’t spend any more time on this
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Now if I only had $12,000 more to stuff it full of 12 ea 8 TB NVME drives! 🙂
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Hello, recently I suffered data loss from an external drive (mostly because of my stupidity :), I am desperate for a portable NAS solution! I stumbled across your video, and I am excited about the Lincplus. Do you think it will be reliable, keeping in mind that it is just coming out on the market and there is no user’s data and which drives would you recommend buying for such a system? Thank you in advance, Milena
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Well if the USB A ports are 3.0 5Gigabit then you could have “almost” (because USB protocol Overhead) 5 Gigabit per second with a cheap dongle but I think for 10 gigabit the CPU might not be fast enough ???? idk ????????♂️
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This is the third time I see you on YouTube, I just subscribed. This review convinced me to keep watching your Chanel and follow your next reviews. Really good video and great review. Thank you so much.
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I think the worst Problem is realy the CPU. If Asus has used something like an AMD V1500B or an R2314 with 15 Watts but 16 PCIE 3.0 lanes, they could use 4 lanes for the NIC’s and USB which would be enough to even saturate a dual 10gbit NIC and 2 10gbit USB 3.2 Ports at the same time. That the NVME only run at 1GB/s or 2GB/s at the Store 6 wouldn’t be the problem. But with intel there are no efficient 16 lanes processors, so you have to go AMD which is notorious problematic at providing embedded Prozessors, Synology has some around.
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I plan to buy the 423+ to upgrade from my first DS220j NAS. Will the 423+ work with my current DSM 6.2.3?
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After watching your reviews we have bought the Flashstor 12 for our video editing NAS. Great so far. One of our editing laptops is older and only can support 2.5Gb ethernet adapter speeds due to USB 3.1 Gen 1 bottleneck. If I got a second 2.5Gb adapter is it possible to set it up to get 2x 2.5Gb throughput❓ If so what do I need and how do I set it up❓
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As someone new to NAS, it would be helpful when you say things like ‘low noise’ to demonstrate it.
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???? Lincstation N1 NAS is attractive. Hope it is not vapourware.
16:15 — a Sata DOM port. Nice!
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
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As a flash based solution, it needs to have dual 10Gb links.
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8:40 “this thing is a finger print magnet”
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The design seems to lend itself well to being vinyl wrapped. I’m here for a wood grain wrap for that 70s VHS style… front or top laoder. hmm.
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Given the high cost of SSDs in decent sizes it’s hard to justify then limiting the performance of those drives you’ve just paid for.
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*Update 2* – The Lincplus N1 IndieGoGo campaign is now live and you can follow it here – https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lincstation-world-s-1st-unraid-6-bay-all-ssd-nas#/
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Given its size and ne fans, it would make a decent plex’s server,
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As far as I’m aware, Unraid doesn’t support WiFi natively. How is this OEM getting around that?
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its good to see a NAS aiming for people who want all-flash because it’s quiet & small, and not because we need a blistering fast dual-socket 40gbe monstrosity, tbh, 10gbe would be nice, but then I’d have to pay for it, and maybe hear them cooling it
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I don’t mean to spam. I put this in an older video for the same.
Thank you for the review of this product.
I have been giving consideration to it and the form factor along with the SSD’s does have an appeal. This would be a home use application that does have SD, HD and 4k movies. There is also a fairly large amount of music files as MP3 and video as well. Other than that, it’s all about data and the combined volume is in and around 7TB. Again; home use two users.
The question: what Drives of good quality would you recommend? I also understand through reading, the device is RAID capable. Is that part correct?
In advance, thank you!
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Thank you for the review of this product.
I have been giving consideration to it and the form factor along with the SSD’s does have an appeal. This would be a home use application that does have SD, HD and 4k movies. There is also a fairly large amount of music files as MP3 and video as well. Other than that, it’s all about data and the combined volume is in and around 7TB. Again; home use two users.
The question: what Drives of good quality would you recommend? I also understand through reading, the device is RAID capable. Is that part correct?
In advance, thank you!
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Just noticed that the breakout animation show on the Indiegogo product pages shows a fan running inside the case! So it the NAS using an active cooling solution and thus isn’t really a completely silent or passively cooled device?
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Thank you for the very interesting vid! Should you start using , say, six nvme modules to build a RAID 5 system adding at a later stage 2-4 nvme modules would you be able to expand total size of existing RAID without rebuilding it from scratch ?
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I don’t understand how this product is launching on late 2023 and not using an N305 CPU instead. It seems like poor product management on their end. This is a system that will be pretty expensive to equip, being all SSD storage based. I don’t think the potential buyers would have been turned away by the higher price needed to accommodate a more current CPU with still low TDP
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Could you maybe measure the idle power consumption without any drives installed to get a baseline for the power draw?
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I want a nas that sips power and is silent. Nearly all clients use WiFi, so 2.5gb Ethernet is sufficient for my requirements. People obsess about how fast the nvme drives can be pushed, or how fast the networking is, but that’s not important to me. It’s faster than my current hdd based storage, lower power and SILENT.
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it looks amazing but in my opinion without a 10gig port its essentially worthless
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Hi
Can you help me please ?
My problem in DSM that I can’t review the file there except the pictures, all other files like pdf , vid , doc ..act can’t review
I have a lot of pdf files and I have to open one by one find what I want also the other files
So what shall I do ?
Thank you
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Fins on the m.2 heatsinks is a great idea. Perhaps on version 2, they will put them on the outside…
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I wonder if I could put TrueNAS on that internal USB device.
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This looks really promising, but just having the one 2.5GBe on an all flash system seems like a very odd choice to me. Even if stepping it up wasn’t possible for some reason, I feel like it should have at the very least a second port here.
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thoughts on putting 2.5 hardrive in the drive area to give large storage something like a hot and cold storage system
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I’d love for someone to work with AMD or Intel and bring either low power embedded Epyc or a D Xeon to this market. U.2 in smaller capacities can be almost as inexpensive as M.2 and even a mixed use gen3 drive cost/performance will blow the pants off consumer gen 4 M.2 for this kind of use in the long term (and there’s always the option of buying used).
I’d rather pay more and get a device with more PCIE lanes, U.2 and 10gb support (not to mention hot swap and higher RAM capacity support) than something like this or the Flashstor. Something like the QNAP TS-h1290FX but with say 8x bays and 1 1gb or 2.5g port and 2 SFP+ (or let the user add in a 10/25gb NIC) for maybe $1000ish. Hell, if they could make it around the price of a used R730XD even better.
Worst case if Synology can get away with charging ~$2k for their 8 bay devices I guess the price could go that high but give me modern hardware with U.2 support.
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When I think of “6-bay”, I think of all six bays supporting the SAME architecture, and allowing a RAID array that includes ALL 6 drives. The real gain here is meaningful – drive space lost to parity is 1/4 in this device, and is only 1/6 in the Flashstor. If you’re using 4TB NVME, that means you lose 4 out of 16, leaving 12 (10.5 in the real world) vs 4 out of 24, leaving 20 (18.7 or so, in truth). The usable capacity of the Linkstor is, in this scenario, less than 2/3 that of the Flashstor 6. Add to this the UnRAID SSD limitations, and I have to see the result as an interesting, but limited solution for those with rather modest needs and budgets.
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I’ve been looking for a flash NAS for so long
Every time, they skip 10gig and every time I move on.
There is zero justification for not having 10gig on flash storage.
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Is the 2.5″ drive bays 15mm in height to allow drives larger than 2TB? There’s no mention that I can see and even Lincplus mentions 20TB maximum which would be 4x4TB NVME+2x2TB SATA.
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I think these companies need to sell more kind of barebones kits that are more modular. Imagine if you could pair the guts of this thing that came with all M.2 -> 5 x SATA III ports. Well now I have a tiny board SBC with 22 freaking SATA ports. They could even sell a chassis for this configuration that had the power hookups ready for an SFX/ATX PSU. I’m personally already running used 2TB Micron 1100 SATA SSD for my production NAS because I was getting them for less than $25/TB this year. M.2 price per TB is still much higher than SATA, and I’d reckon most people would take the bandwidth hit to double storage capacity and halve (or more) price per TB.
That’s just my thoughts on this, great vid as always!
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Agree that video editors (especially one’s using Apple Macs with limited data storage) probably want the 10gbs ethernet, so they might want to looks either the Asustor Flash 12 or the Black Magic NAS products, but at the DataKind event or even most coffee shop collaborations just use WiFi or vanilla ethernet cable.
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Sata at this point? M.2 is the only standard you should consider.
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Great review, as always! I’m surprised they’re launching a NAS in late 2023 with a single ethernet port. If I had to pick I would take a second 2.5g over a single 10g. That enables failover, LACP, multisession SMB, etc. You can add a second 2.5g port via usb but that is notoriously unreliable. This one’s a “no, thanks” for me.
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Wow! I just got back from the Orlando Data Kind Data Dive and the LincStation would have been ideal.
Normally, I would consider the built in WiFi a security risk. But, for a low security collaborative situation it is ideal. We were working with Census Tract level data and mapping applications in individual notebooks Github and Google Cloud. But with the LincStation we could have just popped that on the table, bring up a PostGIS (PostgreSQL with spatial) Docker Container and have everyone at each table (each table had a different project / client) connect through Wi-Fi (no need for an inventory of ethernet cables) and when we were done we could have donated the complete device and software to the not-for-profit without having to worry about cloud subscription fees! Another use case would be students notebook computers collaborating in coffee shop. It would be just one small box amount the notebooks and easily carried in a backpack. Not only could computer science students get hands on experience with RAID, but a wide range of students could get experience with collaborative / multi-user software that they could take with them after graduation when they no longer have access to the college campus network. On the downside, I saw some security red flags that would make me cautious about using this in an enterprise environment: one is the built in Wi-Fi and a second is a “root” user named root. This device would clearly need a security checklist for installing in a secure location.
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It would be nice if this channel only reviewed actual available devices. Promoting Kickstarter and Indiegogo launches only helps companies like Storaxa take the money and run
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Yea, the price is good here, but the ports are a big letdown, 10G should be standard if you are running NVME SSD, and preferably more than one if it has a more expensive version.
Don’t blame all of this on devs, they use intel low-end CPU, n5105, n6005 or n100 are all great for low-power NAS, but their PCIE lanes are so few you really can’t do much about it.
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Great review. Has Unraid changed their recommendation of not using SSDs for the Unraid Array (disk or parity drives) due to no SSD trim support? I understood that without this, the SSD performance will degrade faster than it should.
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Couple of days ago i was searching for some kind of 2.5 ssd nas solutions???? and here we go)
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Great to see such an innovative product. Good for us consumers ( especially those still looking to get a NAS )! Lack of another ethernet port is not so important for home use – if you really need anything more you are into high performance territory anyway and this is n’t for you. Just use another USB-Ether adapter if absolutely required.
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If using UNRAID, definitely keep a usb drive or small dreive as array and create ZFS pool usin the NVME SSD drives… you are leaving so much on the table otherwise
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Listen to how silent it is. Whilst flapping his gums over it. Well done.
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Great review. Price is great. I do wish all NAS manufacturers would provide 10GbE out of the box.
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Another NAS crowdfund? Is this the year of the NAS? Storaxa, Zimacube, UGREEN (UGREEN series is going to be a retail release as far as I am aware) and now this?
This should shake things up for the traditional NAS makers ????
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*Update* , Lincplus reached out to respond to my comments on choosing Indiegogo for their crowdfunding: “The reason why we chose the Indiegogo platform is that Indiegogo has a customer support team in our country while Kickstarter does not. We have always invested a lot of energy in R&D and production, but marketing is our weakness. This is our first time using crowdfunding for promotion and producing a product, so a local support team is very helpful to us. We will offer the same after-sale service to customers who buy from Indiegogo as Amazon customers, and we will offer the best price on Indiegogo. We will also collect feedback from the first batch of customers.”
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That was exactly what I was looking for. Wifi 6 build in and silent as it will be placed in my Living Room and the Modem is in another room. That little item is perfect, I hope they market it well as it will be a clear winner.
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God I love your videos. I’m looking at a new NAS and this popped up on my search and my first thought was “I wonder if that NASCompares dude has a video about it?”
Of course at a touch over an hour long, you did not disappoint!
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Are we going to get an M.2 NVMe compatibility test for the DS423+ given you’ve already done memory? My old DS1813+ is on it’s last legs (time to retire after a decade) and needs replacement, predominately for Plex and Surveillance.
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Hello everyone, I bought a Synology 423+, installed the drive inside, but on first power up I smelled a strong plastic and burnt smell.
The smell passed after few minutes and everything seems to work fine and in temperatures. I would like to know if this is normal.
The smell did not return again.
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It’s a shame asussor put such a low powered cpu motherboard combo in there ,I would have loved to see a zyzen aib or it’s version also they really missed a trick by not allowing it to be used as a fast access cashe for its larger gen 2 or small business models
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The product shows registered, but the website says it’s not, so I can’t open a ticket. I leave voice messages with Asustor and they don’t return my calls. I’m kind of stuck and not happy with their support. The 12 bay unit is displaying errors when I scrub and sometimes says the resource is not available. I don’t have these kinds of issues with NAS units from other brands. I’ve never had to contact the manufacturer for the other NAS units I have. Disappointing.
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I hope you can help me!
I have sooo many files on my pc and external SSDs lying around on my desk. About 6 TB with videos, pictures and documents. Now that I’ve started a YouTube channel, there is going to be alot of video files!
All I want is a box with 4 bays (maybe go with two 12TB to start with), to store aaall of my files. I want to connect with a USB to my pc and have a decent speed when tranferring files from my computer and I want it all to be mirrored. The networking part is not so important to me. Is this Synology DS923+ for me? And what do I look for in a suitable harddrive? Thank so much and cheers from Norway!
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Disappointing. Talking very long about the procuct but still nothing about the noise of the device. If you are just saying “they are not loud” – that is not enough, I have heard the exact same comment about NAS as loud as a hairdryer.
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In your next video, can you please advise the best NVMEs to use based on the throttling of Gen 3 x 1 and how to populate the NAS for best throughput i.e. is 3 NVMEs with Raid 5 the best. Thanks.
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Fantastic video! I’m new to NAS. I want to setup this device with 12 SSDs and make it automatically backup my various PCs on a monthly schedule. Will this unit and its software let me do that? Thanks.
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N5105 – Max # of PCI Express Lanes = 8 – Each NVME = Capable of 4 lanes. Whats the point of running NVME? May as well use SATA SSD’s.
Now does anyone (at home) have the capability to run 60Gb/s (12x5Gb/s) networking. Nope. But….. Thinking outside the box and allowing for smb multi channel. maybe a third edition 12 bay, a ‘proper’ processor, with 4 10Gb/s SFP+ on the back and we might have some serious sales. There are definitely people out there who have that sort of capability. (like me)
10Gb networking for home is a sensible price currently with mikrotik but 25/40/100 is still going to be real pricey until corporate entities start rolling this stuff to the pre-loved market
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I´m in a dilemma of choosing this QNAP TS-464 NAS or should i buy the ASUSTOR AS1104T I would be mostly using it for streaming media to my smart tv ,witch one would be the choice?
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Synology gone downhill
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From the reviews I have seen it seems like a slightly faster cpu would have been perfect to max out a 10g nic but it is pretty cheap
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On the market for a new NAS and was thinking about future-proofing the setup. I think some limitations on this machine are in effect to serve a specific niche crowd (the traveler who wants to take their NAS with them). Now I understand that this is why they decided to go for M.2 NVMe drives, I realize now they did not select the M.2 for the performance but to keep the case small. Initially, I wanted this device for its power, but the more I think about it I realize that I’m not the intended audience.
If the 12-slot machine had a CPU with more cores and a bit better performance it would have been a no-brainer. It would instantly replace my home lab and store my data. But besides that, failing drives always makes me nervous and in the past when rebuilding an array it happened to me more than once that other drives started to fail while rebuilding. Being throttled by the 8 PCIe while rebuilding an array is something I really do not like… Then again, it has SSDs and not spinning disks, so performance should already be improved compared to what I’m used to.
I really like the choice of a 10Gbit network port and choice for HDMI. M.2 would be awesome if the PCIe lanes were there to support it.
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Hi, you were to spend around $600 for a NAS, which would you buy?
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Thank you so much! Do you know if I can set up a custom database service on that device to make it a Davinci Resolve server for collaborative video workflow in DVR?
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Look like this storage running with Android OS, because i found that the apps are using apk
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LOL – it’s not affordable at all, but I’d love to own one! 🙂
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How do I get to this web-based GUI? I can only access wirh ACC or AiMaster. Is there a feature I need to turn on?
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thanks for your review. I’m about to go for the 12-bay one but I have doubts. It is only for Max studio in 10gb network. could you configure 2x2tb raid 1 (Time Machine) 4×2 raid 5 for Final Cut? and 2×2 raid 1 for Max applications and the nas itself? Could you do it little by little? first system apps then finalcut…. etc (for not having to spend all of one. Would you be able to do that and manage the different raids? Obviously you would look at the ram you have and expand it. Do you know what the Maximum is? I understand it will be ddr4 or dimm 2666? Thanks for your attention
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Hello. Great review! Is it clear to the user which SSD slots share a PCI lane? I’m thinking dividing the 12 slots into 3 RAID arrays would maximize write performance.
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at this point, M.2 are slowly getting cheaper than SATA SSDs, but still with bandwidth limitations, something like four QVOs can do equally well in budget Synology device, with SMB Multichannel enabled speeds would be similar, no?
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For anyone interested, I have six Crucial P3 Plus 4TB CT4000P3PSSD8 PCIe 3.0 and they work just fine in my Flashstor 12.
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truly affordable £789 ; yeah real cheap £200 max is it’s worth unpopulated
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I need help
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I’m having trouble connecting it to SABRENT 10 bay hard drive docking
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love the video. i have a some what related Question, can it support the SABRENT M.2 NVMe SSD 8TB Gen 4?? forget speed i am looking to build a DAS out of Nvme ssd’s so here is the question in detail (if i buy this device and put in it 12 SABRENT M.2 NVMe SSD 8TB Gen 4 for a total of 96TB storage and never connect the eathernet cable to it, just connect it to my pc via usb connection and set up the raid system for it, will it work????? ) i keep looking for a NVME ssd enclousere that takes that many ssds but most are big bulky and take like 4) . so can it work ?????
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Dude, one hour!!! Respect. Can we get iSCSI performance review with ESXi server over 10GB.
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to slow
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Would this work for 2 or 3 Apple Final Cut users editing footage gathered on iPhones?
Would the storage via ethernet feel almost equal to that on a MacBook?
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This might be a silly question but if I wanted to use this as an NVR for 3 POE cameras would this be a good choice? Or should I look to go the Synology route? Thanks in advance!
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Should we worry about most cheap nvme drives do not support trim on raid 5/6?
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Can you use other brands’ nvme drives for storage pool or does it have to be the Synology brand?
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Definitely interested but it is quite ‘plasticky’. I would have been keener to buy with a metal chasis, plastic just doesn’t say quality. I am quite keen to see what the competition produces that is similar. Kudos though for kicking off this type of NAS.
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Hmm. Need something like this but with ZFS and encryption capabilities. I guess that would need a stronger CPU. I don’t really care about the external bottleneck, even 1 Gb is more than enough for what I need. I do care about the dimensions, noise, and power consumption, which far outweigh the network limits.
Can you boot a TrueNAS on this or is the system drive vendor-locked?
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I have WD My cloud and no month fee,what are with Asustor?I hear,that for any need to pay any month fee.
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Silly question but does this (and NAS drives in general) require to be hooked up to the internet to work, or can it be used like a standard external hard drive and simply plugged into a USB port to be accessed by the respective computer?
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I’ve recently found your site and your reviews here. Great job!
I’d like to know if this would support having a SSD pool to have a PS 5 access it for game storage. Not sure how a PS5 would deal with NAS storage for game content.Any thoughts?
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Do you answer questions from viewers? I was wondering how it ran virtual machines.
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It’s not possible to get 10 000 Megs? What unit are you referring to? Why aren’t you mentionning TB instead of MB or at least GB? are you talking about capacity or speed? IF you’re talking about speed why aren’t you saying capacity per unit of time? Like MB per second?
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12 4TB drives 16RAM MTS900 RAID 0 800MBS sustained 68% processor RAID 5 450-550MBS sustained 81% processor. Spinning drive NAS can easily handle large 1-1.2GBs writes. Reads on the USB ports of NTFS NVMe drive are unbelieveably slow (using the file program on the device). When deleting a volume and recreating one after it’s done the web interface becomes fuzzy and unreadable so you have to log out and back in. So the file transfer performance is a little off. Would I buy one again? Probably. It’s a very good value for what it offers. It’s uber portable. It’s tiny. Very low power consumption. It’s only 50W but it’s the warmest 50W I’ve ever felt. It will probably put Asustor on the map. You’re not going to want to put a spinning drive NAS that can handle what this does in your carry on.
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14:04 — “a thousand megs per slot” . . . but assuming that is (or is not) with all six slot filled?
For instance, if I make a pool out of three of six slots on FS6706T, then will each slot in such a pool get double that (i.e., 2,000 megs per slot)?
With much appreciation. Great video ????
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
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Is there any drawback to connecting the NAS to a Mac Studio with SSD for the 10G speed and the rest of the computers on the network via ethernet? Do you get the same functionality in terms of storage and apps?
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First impressions: it looks like a sideways view of a Courier HST (well, you are taking a trip down memory lane).
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Do you think m.2 with heat sinks would fit in there?
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I have a 4 bay lockster now. Use for file sharing in a home office with four users. Had it in service for 5 years. Has 2 4tb hard drives not even close to full. Wanting to upgrade and use the older model for a backup device. I would like 10gb access. Which is better solution flashstor or locker. Locker is advertised more for gaming and plex. Not sure of the advatages it would serve for file sharing. Hdd per gig still cheaper on standard hdd.
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Is not need ECC RAM for a reliable NAS?
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Is not need ECC RAM for a reliable NAS?
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Go and see a dentist to get your teeth fixed.
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You’ll need to include a “knicker to currency” exchange rate in your videos.
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Only if it was in an aluminum case, removable network adapter, more memory and have my cpu power. Everything less is awesome.
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To me it all starts and ends with the CPU, they messed that so much that I’m gonna skip this and not even blink
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Is it possible to implement RDMA or SMB Direct or RoCeV2 with an all flash NAS? Even other brands? Windows has supported RDMA for almost a decade now, but it seems QNAP, Synology, Asustor, etc do not support any RDMA protocols that will actually enable speeds up to 100 Gb/s with 100 Gb NICs. Im running into a brutal 55 Gb/s bottleneck and it seems to be that the NAS does not support any of these RDMA options. Are there any NAS systems that ACTUALLY, really, truly do support AND are capable of 100 Gb/s?
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Out of stock or 1-2 month wait. Looks like a fun device. I’ll take another look when it’s more widely available.
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On first glance, the first use case for one of these that I can think of is for off grid use – cottage, boat, motor-home / trailer (caravan). The NVMe storage is just too expensive vs HDD’s for uses that many of us would have especially if that is media heavy. But, from what i can find online, the power consumption of NVME’s is only about 25% of HDD’s. And that means less consumption of battery power.
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Thank you, boss, for your effort, do you think Flashstor 12 Pro is good enough to install the proxmox backup server with 10Gb linked to switch 10Gb too, I will use it for delay backup in my full rack in my colocation in London?
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I saw your review of the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro NVMe NAS and liked it, but I think there is missing information, such as:
The type of memory used, is it ECC?
Do we need to buy heat sinks for the M.2 drives?
What is the type of the PCI lane connection, is it 3.1 or higher?
Best budget that i found in Portugal was:
Nome Marca unidade Preço Totais Preço Final
ASUSTOR 12-Bay M.2 FLASHSTOR 12 PRO Asus 1 898,90 € 898,90 €
Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO PLUS M2 PCIe – MZ-V7S2T0BW Samsung 12 113,58 € 1 362,96 € 2 333,90 €
Samsung 2TB 980 Pro NVMe – MZ-V8P2T0BW Samsung 12 143,82 € 1 725,84 € 2 696,78 €
Memória RAM Kingston 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL19 SODIMM – KVR26S19S8/16 Kingston 2 36,02 € 72,04 €
Just for reference. Thank you for your attention. Keep up the good work.
Best regards.
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I just received and setup my 6 drive version. I installed 4x 4TB Crucial RAID5. I’ll get 2 more soon I suspect but am hoping 8TB NVMe’s will get cheaper. I have to say the experience was superb! Very straight forward. I’ve had a Synology DS918 for the last 5 years and both are good, but I find the Asustor a bit easier to use.
The Asustor Folder app was amazing for making easy to copy content from my backup ext 16TB drive. Simply drag the files from the USB attached ext drive to the folder I want, and done.
I’ve got 1 of teh 2.5GBit ethernets in use and get ~270-280MB/s transfer from my PC too! Very nice! So much better than the 112MB/s on my Synology.
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Nobody says “Nicker” nowadays… but thanks for the flashback ????????
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hello sir. do you have/can you make a video about recovering data files from nas drives? my ts-451 failed but the drives are qood. sadly they are not ntfs so windows cannot read them. thank you.
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So it probably would be great as a media server, albeit with “dumbed down” / early generation SSDs?
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Why do you always pronounce Ryzen “Ryzon”?
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Hi NASCompare, thank you for all of your video, it does help me a lot in choosing NAS that I want. Can I check with you whether DS223+ support active business backup? Thank you.
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DIY version 4bay Nvme+2 2.5ssd : Inwin Chopin or B2 itx , amd itx board with dual nvme , 5600G or 5300G , pcie split enabled and slap on a 8/4/4 pcie riser .
Now you got 4nvme with 4lanes to each drive plus two 2.5 drive bay
You still got a free x8 pcie slot
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What are the chances of getting a video loading truenas on this?
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But, it just looks so, ugly!
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Damn, I thought you were going to say the NAS is unbelievably also 250 knicker!! Tut, now it’s expensive!
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No UK stock anywhere ????
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Is using NVMe SSDs a good idea? I have heard that after awhile with constant READ/WRITE SSDs wear out. Heck my computer recommends NOT defragging the SSD. With that said, I have had my Surface Book 2 since 2018 with no issues. I am shopping for a solid inexpensive NAS and this one looks interesting. I do video and photo editing and I need a NAS with decent performance and large capacity.
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I think we know what’s missing here… based on Asustor product naming convention, IMAGINE that : Asustor Flashtor 6 Pro FS6706X (yes 6-bay 10G) for $599 🙂
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I have a synology ds1821+ which is loaded with 16tb drives which I use only for video editing + huge amounts of video file storage and pictures and have 10gb switch and It works well but is noisy when the drives spin up. Would using this Asustor NAS filled with 4tb or 8tb drives be better speed wise and without the noise, heat and power use when it’s left on 24/7?
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Will qlc be good for esxi nfs share of datastore or it that going to be to many writes ?
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First of all thank you for your clear and complete review.
What I do not understand with this NAS is the intended market:
With 12 drive slots, the prosumer seems to be addressed.
However, a prosumer wants hot swappable drives and absolutely no power down to add or replace a drive. Unscrewing the case to get to the drives is also not on the wish list.
Is it something for the home user? Want those 12 drive bays?
All in all, I don’t see a market for a product like this. But I could be wrong. The sales figures will tell the truth.
But thanks again because it is precisely through these kinds of clarifying reviews that customers can make the right choice.
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How is Photo Gallery 3 + AiFoto 3 experience with it?
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1. The product page on the Asustor website indicates that the DSD audio is supported via the Hi-Res Player app. But according to the Asustor Compatibility – USB DAC webpage, none of the supported DACs support DSD.
2. Per the Asustor M.2 SSD Compatibility list, the only 4TB drive supported is the Gen3 WD Red WDS400T1R0C-68BDK0. There are plenty of other worthwhile 4TB Gen4 drives available at the same cost. Those aren’t supported by the FS6712X.
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I hope Synology will also bring an affordable version of the Flashstation
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29:27 Nooooooo We got Synullified! Flashstation Oh geez.
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14:14 The seagulls are trying to tell you that we don’t have enough PCI Express for another Gigabit port, but we have the USB port for our 2.5-Gigabit adapter if you wanna do that.
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As far as I’m concerned, even neglecting the (not indifferent) problems related to CPU performance and PCIe lanes, Asustor currently certifies only one 4TB M.2 HDD model, the WD Red SN700, which where I live comes to cost 379€ which multiplied by 12 makes the silliness of 4.548€… to have almost 41TB of available space in RAID 5.
If I bought a 6 bay NAS with 6 20TB disks (ex. Exos X20) I would pay around €1.824 which in RAID 5 translates into around 93TB of available space.
41TB for 4.548€ (110€ / TB) Vs 93TB for 1.824€ (19€ / TB)
For my needs (my CD / DVD / BRD / BRD-UHD ripped available on Plex / minimserver at 1:1 quality, my photos and a few family videos shot on a MiniDV years ago), I’d say there’s nowhere near competition. ..
The fact that the NAS costs little is irrelevant.
BTW: nice video, as usual ????
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Hello! We’re back to watch the featured presentation of Robbie rambling on about this NAS for an hour. We can’t complain if we’re getting what is quite honestly the longest video on the channel. We love his ramblings. But we’re here and busting out the popcorn to watch a video that is way better than any movie I can see at the cinema. And while we do that, we’re just happy to answer your comments, questions, praise, and criticism! Sit back and bootstrap on. It’s a doozy!
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Due to the throttling of the SSD’s, what 4TB sticks would you recommend?
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Is there a suitable ( AC power cord extension for synology ds423+ ) would a 4 Pin DIN Connector Cable, 4 Pin DIN Male to Female Extension Connector Power Supply Cable for Audio Digital Devices (1 meter) possibly work ?
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Dumb question nas noob here, If I Plug my nas in, in a different room so to a different ethernet socket, Will i be able to connect to it as normal? Or will its ip change and Ill have to set it all up again?
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The more I watch your videos the more confuse I get. I went from buying the 220 to the 923+ to the 423+ to being discorage to buy anything… DS923+?
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I think I am going with the DS423+ model cause my main reason is to use as a Plex Server and my current router is limited
to 1G speeds.
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I love that this guy’s short review is still 20+ minutes. I appreciate the dedication and passion. Thanks for the the tips. I think I am finally getting a NAS this year cause all of your content.
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Please, please stop using the astonished “Mr. Beast” look thumbnail for the upload.. It is an instant turnoff.. ????
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I really miss the youtube app in NAS (AS6704T) to watch it on my TV. Asusstore please add it app central.
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Spdif is a no for me. I am getting one of these but will be going Ethernet to my transport to the DAC. This will be replacing my DS220+. Fits and better looking ????
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Let’s all face facts – if you’re expecting to fill a 10Gbps link with traffic all the time, or want/need a 25Gbps or 40Gbps+ link, you’re not looking at Asustor. You’re looking at professional solutions. My potential use for this is in long-term NAS storage, not performant storage. Meaning, I want to have 12x4TB disks in RAID 6, and load them with Plex data, and let them sit there. For over a decade. And be reliable. Something spinners can’t really nod their head at. With RAID 6 NVME drives, I would expect easily 10+ years of use – I’d expect that the CPU or memory may suffer a defect long before the drives die. The only thing I wish the 12 bay unit had would be dual 10Gbps ports – not for throughput (and I’m sure some people would scream about that) but for redundancy, so that if I do a switch upgrade and it reloads, nothing is interrupted from a file mount perspective.
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Could I use Synology DDR4 4GB 3200 ECC on the DS423+?
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Good NAS Good job ASUSTOR
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*Note* – Fairplay to @ASUSTORTV , after my criticism of the system not arriving with M.2 SSD Heatsinks, they have produced a test video showing compelling evidence that the PCIe Gen 3×1 slots are not able to generate enough heat on a x1 speed each. I will be conducting sustained tests later on that factor in spiked use, but I have to hand it to them, it is a great response and makes a solid case. You can find their video here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr__5B3oGtM
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Some notes about these Asustor FS 67 series NVMe NAS’s….
1. Currently the only 4TB NVMe supported is the WD RED 4TB (WDS400T1R0C-68BDK0) per the Asustor HCL .
2. The NAS will stream DSD (up to quad-DSD) to an attached USB DAC. However, none of the USB DACs listed on Asustor’s HCL support DSD.
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cand the SSD be mix and match or all the same?
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So if I understood this right, If I’m still running a 1Gbps switch/router my home network would be the bottleneck not the NAS itself right (with the 6 bay)
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The 1GBps per drive comment isn’t exactly accurate. Due to the CPU only having 8 PCIe lanes, they’re using ASMedia PCIe MUX chips to share all of the PCIe bandwidth. In a RAID6 array with all 12 bays populated with 2TB Intel 670Ps, I haven’t seen more than around 3100 MB/s reads and 840 MB/s writes.
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Wait… Let’s nip this in the bud, shall we. Making no apology, this is a ha’p’orth o’ tar situation, though in NAS terms we are talking more leaky coracle than creaky man-o’-war. More than that, here is an offstage exercise in elephant wallpapering. Having said that, I do agree pretty much with mostly all you’ve said in your pros and cons presentation, and with ASUSTOR TV clarifications and rejoinders – but!
It’s one thing to announce that the Flashstor is populated exclusively with NVMe cards, whilst waving the like to your ear. I can’t fault your delivery. It’s priceless. NVMe cards are silent as a dead parrot, of course. But the so called bad boy Flashstor NAS – with a manufacturer stated Operation Noise Level of 18.7 dB due to the built-in active cooling fan – is, well, audible. Not just audible, but with a strangely metallic, nay, ironic quality to the noise it produces.
Very quiet, and barely noticeable, are relative euphemisms, like almost silent, not useful in translation. Every ear hears what it will. An acceptable level of noise depends subjectively on individual use case scenarios. I suspect the majority of any gathered assembly will be quite comfortable agreeing to differ on the intrusiveness, or otherwise, of a quiet device.
Should you buy it? On a promise it never makes and doesn’t need to keep? See below. Even if you convince yourself to overlook the inclusion of a fan in the specification you won’t be spared the morning after. Remove the fan, or if it stops working of its own accord, and there is a series of loud beeps to alert all those within earshot. No secret. It insists functionally on being present and correct, and, as I may have indicated, it is noisy. It oughtn’t be, but it is. Thanks to two significant factors: a) aerodynamics, that is diameter/rotational speed/blade design, and in particular b) dual ball bearings.
I suggest a line be drawn at the apparently casual use of the word silent since it means something entirely different, by varying degree indicative of subjective experience of noise level, to the word quiet. (Aside – You might want to call the latter virtual silence. Mmmm, a bit 70’s. How about artificial silence. Ah, yes, now that’s modern. Of course, it still means categorically not silent in any way whatsoever, rather of questionable value, a compensatory poor substitute for the real thing. Who cares.)
If you require silence, as in Solid State Drive, and wish to eliminate noise, as in Hard Disk Drive, then buying this machine is a straight forward mistake. Silent running is statedly not a design goal of Asustor for the Flashstor. That being the case, what exactly is the unique selling point of it? The case is sturdy, but looks ridiculous and those are fake exhausts on the front, whatever Robbie told you. If the proprietor also spreads the idea that its firmware potentially is written to deny service to those seeking to install other operating systems or scupper rival investment group’s memory modules then at best it is an impressive marketing exercise. Impressive as in pressurised sales loosening your grip on reality and in turn making a big dent in your paltry bitcoin collection. So keep your eye on the pea. Let’s go.
Highly desirable, a silent domestic NAS device is a simple and clear objective concept. A design goal. Not a missed target. Not an Asustor. Not even a Flashstor. Not yet, anyway. To this day, the only silent NAS is a NONAS.
“We really wanted to make this quiet. Otherwise it defeats one of the purposes of an SSD NAS.” ASUSTOR TV on Flashstor thermal design.
There it is again. That word. Quiet. Which means a degree of noisy as opposed to silent, which still means no noise.
My DS415+, admittedly with Noctua fans, is quiet. The reason for upgrading the fans is to eliminate the metallic grinding sound of ball bearings, to make the fans mostly tolerable. But it isn’t silent with four WD Red 3TB HDD. The escaping chronic fixed level mechanical grinding sound, more than the lively seek chatter, is a depressive ergonomic that is unnatural to the ear and a factor in long term hearing loss. That’s why most sysops tend to not live in the server room, or for that matter the plant room, or indeed the belfry. What? Away then, with those naughty hard disks and their moving parts.
“We really wanted to make this quiet.” Really. If by quiet you mean to some extent noisy, you succeeded. You didn’t. You did otherwise. Strange, but true. In doing so, as vouchsafed, you defeated one of the purposes of an SSD NAS. The distinguishing purpose presumably being to follow through silent (not quiet) solid state disks with a silent (not quiet) solid state chassis. You know. Silent storage. Instead of quiet (to some extent noisy) storage.
By design. Quiet and not silent. Why is that? It needn’t be that way. Why stop at swapping out the last of those noisy spinning hard disks to do only half a job by leaving in a noisy spinning fan?
With respect to the Flashstor, use of the word silent is merely adjectival funny business, or perhaps fanny business. What I mean is this. A useful practical description of an object ought to align itself with the uniformly objective convergence of common experience and yield to independent measurement and verification. Thus, silent is probably a non-starter as there is a ball bearing attached. Unless that fan is off, that is, or running on mag-lev oil bearings below the bar of a gentle draught, which it isn’t in this case.
Thursday there were two Flashstor 6 in stock on Amazon UK – then there was one. Closer inspection of the design would suggest that Asustor decided wilfully not to render the wannabe silent NAS in fact, silent. The thick plottens. The design includes certain case screw heads, including the fan screws, buried under pressed and recessed hard plastic caps that defy attempts to disassemble. The dimensions of the custom fan itself are suboptimal to sourcing better performing parts. Fan replacement is therefore a factory repair. Good luck with that. One is physically hampered even from modding the Flashstor for peace and quiet. One may be seen but not heard, but one’s NAS – not so much.
When the Flashtor NAS is up and running, it’s tiddly built-in fan is up and running. The ball bearing noise can be heard distinctly and penetratingly across the room. This is not to mention the rushing sound of air. Asustor has almost succeeded with that, although the fan is rather small. In fact the airflow can only be heard if one waves the entire NAS to one’s ear or, equally, places one’s ear really quite close to it.
That is not the major problem. The fan shifts enough air at idle to keep the inner workings from overheating and the airflow often is inaudible depending on the ambient sound of working conditions. Only in the dead of night, when you should be asleep anyway, or if you are fortunate enough to work in library conditions, can this humble rush of air be heard. The poor wee fan has to work the surrounding air a little too vigorously to waft the necessary draught. The sound level is very much like a DS423+ on SSDs, sporting replacement Noctua fans fitted with series resistors. Don’t ask me how I know. Don’t get me started on those cheap rattly Synology fans in a flimsy case. Why do you think I took in the Flashtor? Desperation. It certainly wasn’t for looks.
I want to live with my NAS, not to have to listen to it when I require to hear a pin drop. A little more commitment to acoustic performance could easily have resulted in a silent Flashstor. Misanthropic marketing motivated by the boundless wonder of public imagination supposes why produce something good and well-engineered straight off the bat when you can sell it again, and again, and again. To the tune of a waltz.
The problem is this. And this is the whole point. Asustor have used, not the cheapest fan design it demonstrates reasonably good aerodynamics and manufacturing but cheap enough to suffer from noisy ball bearings. I say suffer, because the sound is remarkably similar to the grinding sound of a spinning hard disk.
So here’s a paradox for you. The elephant in the room is the Flashtor itself. As a design and marketing concept it is admirable: bold, striking and courageous. However, you could say that its greatest asset is at the same time its inevitable downfall. It is a victim of its own success. It contains the seeds of its own destruction. In other words, it has balls. And it’s a little fanny.
There is only one thing more disheartening than suffering from noisy ball syndrome, and that is foisting your head splitting ailment on sensitive, imaginative types who are trying to manifest (let’s be generous) original thinking. That, and the blinding irony of an SSD NAS sounding for all the world like a wheezy old dog of an HDD chassis. Oooh, the bells! The decibels!
12th Gen Intel NUC with a Core i5-1240P 35W TPD in the Akasa Turing passive case with a 2.5″ SSD, mSata and NVMe is for real. Silent. Oh, the sheer relief. Obviously, that represents overkill for power in a domestic NAS. Count them. How many cores? But proof of concept beyond doubt by an order of magnitude. The removal of barriers to achieving a silent NAS. How are you going to test the market for silent NAS if you don’t release one? I see, you are testing the market for the acceptance of a decoy. As long as that’s understood. You can be the best at taking the pea.
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The asking prices though, holy F. These name brand NAS companies trying to do Apple pricing based on aesthetics. SMH…
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can you run Truenas on these instead of the Asustor os?
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Honestly I would not trust asus drivers.they dont qc firmware updates
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I don’t trust the chinese Asus one single bit. Their customer service is pure crap. Here’s their latest “screw the customer” fiasco. https://youtu.be/cbGfc-JBxlY
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Just please someone to tell the manufacturers, to put full size pci slot (or mobile 3070 soldered to the mb) and space for gpu and here you go, the perfect plex server ????????????
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I bought one of these and decided to go for the Flashstor 6 version.
I simply couldn’t justify the jump in price between the FS6 to FS12 for an extra 6 drive slots and the 10Gb LAN.
For me tge FS6 is plenty fast enough.
The reason I devided on one of these is they are almost silent and use barely any power. In sleep mode they make no noise at all and use literally nothing (less than 1 watt). But the main reason is they wake up from sleep in less than 2 seconds vs my Synology NAS which takes sone 40+ seconds to wake all the drives up and come to life.
Mine is not accessible online and i only access it via VPN so my data remains safe and its plenty fast enough for moving files around my network vs my Synology with its limited 1Gb LAN ports (why Synology).
The only slight issue i have is with regards to the NVMe drives. Because there is limited compatibility listed on the Asustor site for these i thought I’d try just a couple of Samsung Evo 970 Plus 2TB drives to start with and if tgey worked ok I’d add more.
I bought two and set them up as RAID 1 and everything worked fine.
I then thought id add another and change to RAID 5, so i got another 2TB exact same drive bought only 2 days later (all bought from Amazon). It set up as RAID 5 fine and seemed all ok but the 3rd drive seemed to be considerably hotter than the previous two.
Also i noticed the 3rd drive was showing as having “ERROR INFORMATION LOG ENTRIES” when i checked that drive in the NVMe SSD status log.
I assumed that drive might be faulty so RMA’d it. But the replacement was exactly the same. So i completely deleted the volume and set all 3 drives up a fresh as RAID 5. But that 3rd drive is still getting the ERROR INFORMATION LOG ENTRIES which is odd. The initial two drives don’t have them and they are exactly the same drives.
Ive tried swapping drive slots etc but that 3rd drive just seems different. The only physical difference is the first two drives were manufactured date of 2022 but the 3rd (and replacement 4th drive) are manufactured dated 2023 so presumably newer firmware.
Any ideas what these ERROR INFORMATION LOG ENTRIES are and are they a reason for concern? Why does this 2023 drive have them but not the 1st two drives?
@Asustor TV
Apart from that issue im loving the system and its a great price too for such a silent, low powered (energy wise) and rapid system)
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You should put the video title “You Should Buy”????????
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What would it take to get the Synology OS Software installed onto 1 of these?
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What use cases are these useful for? Seems overkill for home use, seeing as you need a network setup beyond most home networks, and is this sort of performance really needed for Plex? If you’re doing home video editing why not store the videos while editing locally and then backup to NAS. Just curious.
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Are there any other brands beside ASUSTOR that offer NVME NAS storage?
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I hope you do a followup on this device with a recomended ssd choice and tests. The hdmi output is also interesting. How well would that work vs. Accessing media on the network.
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A better CPU could have gotten Gen4 NVMe speeds, but then it would have doubled the cost and would be marketed towards content creators photo/video editing. With the N5105 and those ports it seems like it’s going to be marketed towards Plex media users.????
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NVME’s don’t get that hot. This is only needed if you are actually pushing them but 90% of the gen3 x4 NVME’s even when using them in high end computing don’t need heatsink. A NAS unless the user is pushing it with multiple users in an x4 configuration don’t need heatsinks. If they are limited by x1 i don’t see them even remotely coming close to needing a heatsink. This is another one of those geek things that the higher end users say you need but don’t realize that 99% of the people watching their content don’t. There are also some studies out there that show they work better when they are warmed up. This is definitely seen when talking immersion cooling.
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Thanks.. Great review!
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looks a lot like the ps4 pro, hopefully does not sound like one jet engine one
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Robbie, you’re famous (or infamous) they’re watching you! hahahahaha
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17:07 The heatsinks for the SoC are under the motherboard. Heatsinks for the SSDs if preferred, are sold separately. They’re the same heatsinks as the AS-T10G3. During testing, we could not cause SSDs to overheat in our NAS. This isn’t to say that some SSDs in the future might need heatsinks due to their design, we wanted to keep the NAS flexible to take almost any SSD while giving people the option to add SSDs later on and not pass those costs onto people who might not need them. Remember, the PCIe lanes are limited to x1 to match with the 10GbE and provide a higher quantity without much sacrifice in real world performance. Since they’re x1, they’re not being fully throttled sequentially and thus, run cooler.
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15:41 The problem with the claim that the SSDs aren’t able to stretch their legs is that, practically, no copper-based network solution is going to allow 40 Gbps on PCIe 3.0 x4. We’d have to buy a 40GbE controller, add heatsinks for the cooling, tell everyone to upgrade their PCs with QSFP+ 40GbE cards, tell everyone to buy expensive 40GbE switches for their network etc… PCIe 3.0 x1 perfectly matches with a 10GbE port, and to be honest, as a NAS user myself, very few actually do much internal transferring to make x4 sockets worthwhile. 99/100 interactions are through the NIC, the main entry point, and SSDs provide unbelievably superior random I/O performance, which helps with, actions that require HUGE amounts of small files, like video editing, audio editing, photo transfers and more. Such actions will not even saturate Gigabit, but will be substantially faster, orders of magnitude faster than regular hard drives. 10GbE helps balance it out.
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12:13 ECC does not protect against bit rot. You need to power on the SSD every so often to protect against bit rot.
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11:11 If we shoved an i3 in there, it’d cook itself. We want our customers to have their cake and eat it too. An i3 would still not support ECC either. The profile just won’t physically support a Xeon.
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2GbE card on a 6GB/s nas…wtf?
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typo when you talked about the CPU choice: “it’s” instead on “its” on the chapter on screen title ????
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Robbie please don’t call them F-L-A-C files for flac sake ????
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These idiots producing NAS keep forgetting NAS priority is data reliability: where is the ECC RAM?!
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Is it compatible with the Seagte Exos X18 18TB drive?
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i never had a nas. this will be my first nas. if i understand right i prefer this over the 923+ cause of the intel cpu. in only need the nas for 4k media stream on my tv. am i right? or maxbe should i wait for sth else i dont know. thanks for your help guys
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Why would anyone, at this moment, buy DS423+, when DS920+ is still available, cheaper, with more RAM, and has ESATA port for further 5 HDD extension…
DS920+ will probably get NVMe, in couple of months (when there no more to buy new), as Synology now has no “hardware explanation” (which is their main explanation that PCI-E 2.0 is problem)
why it cannot be enabled (as same hardware 423+ has it)
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I was able to pick up probably one of the last “new” ds920+ for $849 USD in April 2023. I probably would have went with the 423+ for over $200USD less if I had seen this first. I upgraded from a d218+ (I think) and wanted the GPU and extra drive bays for Plex.
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cha ching:No Sale.
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Cheers guys @NASCompares for your informative/experienced inputs vlogs. (I hate seagulls, too ;-)). You talk a bit fast in your presenting ‘style’ to my ear, however, if I missed what you’ve shared, I can rewind. :-). You certainly have ‘good’ energy/passion/experience! Thank you for that! You’ve helped me decide on what NAS to buy. (DS-423+) (suitably boring but exceeds my needs enough) and I will use your link to possibly buy via Amazon if price is OK next week. If I can’t share my gratitude in a small way via that route, I will send a donation. Many thanks. You also gave me a valuable ‘feel’ for which type of drive etc., to purchase and how to slowly build a NAS system without ‘overspending’/making mega mistakes., etc., ????
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is the ds418 model more than the ds 423+ for the beginner photographer ???
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Just collected mine today ..Your previous videos I watched made me decided this is the one. This is my first NAS purchase.
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Breathe . Speak slowly
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I love(d) my DS916+ and considered getting a newer and bigger Synology. But since being forced to buy re-labeled and ridiculous priced OEM hdd/ssd drives I am out. TrueNAS Scale and a more potent while cheaper self-build server are my way to go now. Thank you Synology for the good times so far … but I won‘t come back. Hopefully many others think the same.
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Why in hell I can’t buy ANY Synology NAS!!!!!!! ????????? all have issues to avoid to buy them, why they don’t want release a real solution for everyone.
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Can you confirm on the usage of a 16gb memory ? Seems like even if not officially supported, it does does run it ok.
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If a drive isn’t on the compatibility list will it work with a warning or you can’t use them at all?
I use some basic desktop Seagate in my old rn31400. Will I still be able to use them in a Synology Nas (obviously re formatted).
So I can’t buy just any nvme drives to use. I would like to put 2 nvme drives , 1 for storage and 1 for cache. I was thinking some affordable ones like whatever goes for $80 for 1tb drives.
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Good Vid as usual. Still disappointed in Synology and their going proprietary. Currently have a 416play with HDD but really want another for redundancy. Simple of fact of not being able put in affordable SSD’s is a huge issue for me. Samsung 870 Evo 2TB drives are perfect and priced right. I wish they would just open them back up again….
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Ready to buy a NAS but I am torn between synology and asustor. From watching your videos, I guess in a nutshell it is a choice between superior software vs superior hardware for the money, respectively. As an Apple hw user (I use others including windows and Linux since I’m in enterprise “IT”) I’m a bit fed up with price gouging with proprietary hw when spending my own money. Is the software worth the expensive and proprietary hw both initial and future upgrades on the synology side?
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There is a Chinese nas called dx4600, which is quite nice! Hope you can have a video about it
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2 gb ram. 1 gbe. 4 year old proc. Efff off Synology. Pay hardware dept more. Pandemic is over. Ppl have money. We want to upgrade to good stuff. Not this.
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Nice to see Synology recycling the leftovers from the DS920+ manufacturing plant. ????
DS-bubble & squeak
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NOPE… I’m trying to upgrade from an ancient second-hand Synology that admirably still works but is not compatible with the latest DSM software. I’m not going to pay top dollar for a repurposed model from 2020 with a cpu from 2019! I was waiting for the ds423+ to come out but I’ll wait for a sale on the ds923+ instead. I don’t know what Synology is thinking, but the ds423+ is dead to me.
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DS423+ is a downgraded DS920+. But you can’t get a DS920+ cause they discontinued it. Damn Synology. Pisses me right the hell off.
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This old Celeron doesn’t support AVX ……. this limits the use of more DOCKER
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I’m still using a DS414 at home mainly just for file/multimedia storage and CCTV surveillance station. Looking at this 423+, I can’t see a good reason to upgrade and I certainly don’t know why people with the last 1 or 2 generation models would even think of upgrading. For me, like many others have said, a lack of 2.5Gb LAN is a deal breaker. I want my NAS to last well over 5 years (coming up to 9 years on my 414 now) so it needs to be up to date / future proof and 1Gb LAN is not. Especially when you think a bare unit is like £500.
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The 423+ is compared to the 920+ in this review, but even having only the 918+ myself I see no reason to upgrade. I wonder what Synology will have in store for us when the x25+ series are released in two years time. If it comes with a better Intel Celeron CPU and 2,5Gb ethernet on board I might consider the upgrade at that time. But I am leaning towards a 5-bay NAS in the future (now using SHR-2 with 4-bays which is a bit of a waste), so let’s see what the next Synology models will bring.
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Great review as always
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“Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.” —Steve Jobs
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Is the price 499?
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These NAS are so expensive now that sometimes I think is cheaper build a PC for this purpose. On top of that, the expansion is also way easier and possible.
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This is a downgraded DS920+. The lower RAM alone is a deal-breaker when you factor in cost.
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This seagull got a real kick in cojones ????Thanks for the preview. I’m looking forward to see how DS423+ stacks up against competition.
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B&H Photo lists this for pre-order at $499 US, so $100 less than the DS923+.
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Synology hopeless tentative response to the angry Plex clients over the last releases, just obsolete hardware, stay away from this, chose any other brand with 2.5GB network and a NEW intel CPU with integrated graphics.
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thanks for the link, but no price, no offers there yet 🙂
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………..what do you think of the “QNAP Turbo Station TS-364-8G, 8GB RAM, 1x 2.5GBase-T” ?????
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Sad, they should have updated the CPU or continued the popular DS920+ production & availability.
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I can do direct stream plex 4k hevc with only audio transcoding which is about 25℅ CPU utilization on a 1522+.
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Other than the 2nvm couldd be a storage pool I don’t see any other reason to buy this over the 920+
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Essentially I use my 720+ for Plex and very little else. One drive as redundancy is fine and I use 2 x 8TB Red. Considering going 4 bay more for the extra redundancy of RAID 5 despite the extra drive cost. I send movie files through my Apple TV 4K so I understand that I dont actually need integrated graphics to handle 4k and different formats. But still, It feels strange not having integrated graphics…just in case
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Am I the only one who needs to watch his videos at 0.75x speed in order to understand/keep up?
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@NASCompares Wondering when QNAP might get some love? I have been seeing emails over the last month or two so that I would have thought would have caught your interest? The Security Bounty alone I thought I was going to see one of your quick deliver videos… Even the updates for the OS in the last 8 months or so have been interesting.
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Thks & buts !DS823+ or Bust!
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Who cares about fast stoage pools on 1GBE
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Another Synology hardware fail.
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https://youtu.be/Sv6A0vMBtJ0?t=1295 Got mine at the right time!
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The CPU is fine because it’s a 423 series… The bigger CPU will roll out hopefully for the upcoming generations. This is the clearly the base model with base model hardware.
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go TrueNAS….
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I tried to resist watching this, but as always I couldn’t hold out. I am afraid that you’ll sell me on buying this NAS too. I’ve already got two on my list. Still deciding on which ones to buy.
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Yep, 920+ bought about 7 months ago. Replacing Unraid on Dell PowerEdge R510
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IF this actually had all the hardware of the QNAP TS464 in the synology box how much more would you pay over the DS423+ retail price?
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I want to have a NAS as a Media server, saving movies and Pictures. I’m still not sure what I need…lol. Money is not realy an issue, but don’t want to get something I don’t need. It will be in my Living Room, so it need to be quiet, hence I’m planning to use SSD’s only. I’m not sure if 4 Bay or 2 Bay due to back up (I know a NAS is not a back up system). So far I’m looking at the 4 Bay Qnap, (they look like something I put in my living Room).
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Very level headed points, thanks. Absolutely shocking that the 920+ doesn’t support M.2 storage, though I’m not sure the 423 would have many selling points if it did!
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Looks like it’s 920+ but without extension slot
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The fact that its 1 gig is enough for me to pass, that’s just sad Synology. Practically E-Waste. Its so cheap to have 2.5 or even 1 10g. Really was looking forward to getting a smaller Synology NAS soon for redudant backups and camera server use at a different site but can’t justify the cost with the lack of the expansion
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no get qnap
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Thanks for the info man, very much appreciated.
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Which upgrades would improve this NAS as a plex server?
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Just picked up this as my first nas. Loading it out with 4 16tb drives and 2 1TB m.2 drives. Might run it with Qtier. Or just might use the SSDs as cache. Haven’t decided yet.
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This memory issue seems to be a dirty industry practice to make it seem like they aren’t screwing over their customers by selling their units with a low amount of slow memory. If you Google the spec sheet for the processor, it says Max Memory Size 16GB. A few lines below that it says Max # of Memory Channels 2. It also say that it runs at 2933mhz. So they are basically giving us a small amount of slow memory and using deceptive marketing tactics to cover it up. Synology is guilty of the same thing. My DS1821+ was the same way. slow memory. Synology says max was 32GB total. The processor and the board said 32GB x 2 as does the processor spec sheet.
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Hi, nice video! Is it possible to connect the 464 to a pc via the usb 3.2 gen 2 port as you do with the lan port?
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Hi, this is really a great NAS. Especially you can run other OS on it without losing the QNAP software.
The SoC has only 8 PCIe Gen3 lanes so they didn’t have much choice in extendability. The split-up is:
1.) Gen3 x4 for the SATA controller (which is an custom-sized add-on card actually)
2.) Gen3 x2 for the add-on card slot
3.) Gen3 x1 for the first M.2 slot
4.) Gen3 x1 for the second M.2 slot
Did you test the memory modules? Is it stable with >16GB memory? The SoC should actually support dual-channel 2933Mhz memory.
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Im looking for a compatible 10gbe network card for this NAS. Would you be able to provide a model # / link for it? I see Qnap says that QNAP QXG-10G1T is but it’s a PCIe gen3x4 and the ts-464 has a gen3x2. Would that affect the speed?
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what ram is compatible with this??
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Do you think there wil be a two bay version as well?
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The TS-464 is a useful NAS . However I have an old TS-251. Can I ‘hook up’ the 251 to the 464 as a media storage system ?
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I enjoyed this video. The five good points were all well made. But frankly I feel you’re clutching at straws if your downsides are that it’s in a plastic chassis or that the extra PCIe slot is only 2 lane when most NASs don’t have one at all. Same with the nvme slots – by the time you include OS overhead on clicks and the fact that you always have to do something else whilst downloading large files even if you’re getting these things delivered by a true file server, in 2022 and over the way Synology doesn’t give you any options on what to do with the slots except use them for cacheing, I think their presence at all is very much better than their absence.
These days, with the TS-464 only 60 quid or so more expensive than the last generation, it’s an easy choice. Well done for trying to find faults with it and erm… not doing so well! 🙂
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Trying to decide between the TS-464 and the TS-473a (~$30 more)… How would you compare the two?
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can I install truenas core on it?
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Thanks for all the helpful content.
Quick question
Even though you state it is not noisy.
Can the fan be swapped for something higher end, maybe a Noctua fan AND is the motherboard PWM adjustable?
Thanks again for your time and effort
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Yes!
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