Data Storage Deals to Look Out for on Black Friday 2022
Black Friday 2022 has begun! Remember when this was just a single day event? In recent years, in efforts to remain competitive and to capitalize on the global sales event, many e-tailers have switched to launching their Black Friday events to run the entire week (with arguably, the juiciest offers kicking off on the day itself, Friday 25th November) and NAS brands such as Synology and QNAP are just as keen to jump on board too. Data Storage and Networking Devices are among two of the biggest growth areas of technology we have observed in the last five years, thanks to a growing dependence of home and business users to work/live on internet based services and created hundreds of megabytes of data (and stretching into gigabytes for business) per day. The days of getting by with a drawer full of USB sticks and your free hand full of Google Drive Gigabytes are long gone (when you phone takes 4K photos at 10-15MB a pop) and ALOT of users have been holding out till Black Friday 2022 to either finally take the plunge on their first bit of premium storage tech or upgrade their existing setup. Throughout Black Friday itself, I will be keeping an eye on deals that appear over Black Friday 2022 that I would personally, GENUINELY buy – and I will be publishing a few videos to share them. However, there are already a number of rather attractive NAS deals floating around on the 2020, 2021 and even 2022 generation of storage from the big NAS brands and so I have made this article that details the NAS systems that will be on sale over Black Friday, alongside a list of retailers to check. I have also included price history on each of the devices to help you know when a deal really IS a deal. Let’s take a look at the best deals to watch this week of Black Friday 2022.
BEST Synology Black Friday 2022 Deal – Synology DS920+ NAS
Popular for 2.5 years since it’s initial launch in Summer 2022,the Synology DS920+ NAS has been refreshed recently with the launch of the new DS923+ NAS and for many, the DS920+ is still the superior NAS drive for Multimedia. The Synology DS920+ is regularly on sale at both Black Friday and Amazon Prime Day – and I Definitely see it appearing on sale in a huge number of locations globally, as the brand ushers out the older 2020 generation in favour of hte newer 2022/2023 Diskstation NAS. Indeed, it has seen a huge number of price changes in the last 18months:
With a fantastically compact and low noise chassis, the DS920+ is still a fantastic NAS. Also, the DS920+ will also arrive with the latest version of Synology DSM 7.1, the fully featured NAS software that is included with all Synology NAS. This is almost certainly be THE DEAL of Black Friday 2022 TO WATCH!
BEST QNAP Black Friday 2022 Deal – QNAP TS-464 NAS
When QNAP launched their 2022 generation of hardware, the unit that REALLY stood out from the pack was the TS-464 NAS. This system pretty much delivered EVERYTHING that NAS buyers have been asking/demanding for at this price point for the last 6-7 years. The most powerful and capable Intel celeron featuring in NAS yet, DDR4 memory upto 16GB. M.2 NVMe SSD says for caching OR storage, 4K HDMI, two 2.5GbE bays, 10Gb/s USB ports AND a PCIe slot to improve the system’s network ports and/or storage even more! The TS-464 was such a beast that when launched, it IMMEDIATELY SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE!!! It took the better part of 4-5 months after release (April/May 2022) of the TS-464 to start seeing stock availability become a little more stable. Fast forward to now on Black Friday 2022 and the TS-464 is now much more available AND it has started seeing it’s price point drop.
Now, although the price change can be attributed a little to the amount of time that the TS-464 has been available to buy, it has also been caused by the release of QNAP’s big rival ‘Synology’ releasing their DS923+ NAS 4-Bay. I can definitely see the QNAP TS-464 NAS appearing on a few limited sales over the Black Friday period, though do not expect the stock to be especially high – so be quick on this one!
BEST Asustor Black Friday 2022 Deal – Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 NAS
Unlike higher profile brands such as Synology and QNAP, Asustor has always played the long game when it comes to their hardware. Unlike other brands that in 2022 released complete new refreshes of their systems, Asustor too the decision to upgrade their existing Lockerstor system to a Gen 2 version and…well…pretty much upgrade EVERYTHING! The Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 (also known as the AS6704T) arrives with the same high end Intel Celeron N5105 CPU as the QNAP TS-464, but then doubles down by providing 2933Mhz memory (4GB that can be upgrade to 16GB) and a massively surprising FOUR M.2 NVMe SSD bays (caching or pools, your pick). The system then ups the game with 10G USB and HDMI 2.0b (the only NAS in the market to feature this). Hell, the Lockerstor Gen 2 4-Bay can also swap the M.2 NVMe SSD bays out for a 10GbE card and/or a (coming soon) combination M.2 NVMe SSD + 10GbE upgrade card! The lockerstor Gen 2 series was already a huge bargain and Black Friday 2022 only makes this point louder!
Alongside all this, it is worth highlighting that we are seeing the Lockerstor Gen 1 (in 2 and 4-bay) also see a noticeable price drop in a number of locations. Ultimately, when it comes to NAS hardware, the AS6704T is near unbeatable at teh value for money and it also arrives with ADM Software and services included. Basically – a BARGAIN!
BEST Terramaster Black Friday 2022 Deal – F4-423 NAS
Terramaster is a brand that we regularly see on offer during the Black Friday period over on amazon. However, we are only now starting to see their latest FX-423 2022 generation of devices start to see any meaningful discount. The F4-423 already arrived at a more affordable price point that the 2020 released DS920+, whilst also having the same hardware as the Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 and QNAP TS-464 for the most part. The F4-423 arrives with the Intel N5105, 4-16GB of DDR4 Memory, 2.5GbE and USB 3.2 Gen 2, yet is almost $100-130 cheaper than it’s competitors!!!
Further to this, the Terramaster F4-423 has recently been updated to TOS 5, the brand’s NAS software. This has seen numerous improvements in it’s GUI, responsiveness and default security. It also now includes a surveillance application, AI powered photo recognition tool, several new backup and synchronization tools and improvements to the file systems and services. The learning curve on a terramaster NAS is a little steeper tha some of the other brands, but the F4-423 is still a fantastic choice to consider this Black Friday 2022.
Affordable Home 4K Plex NAS Black Friday 2022 Deal – Synology DS220+
Plex Media series still continues to be one of the most popular reasons that many home users choose to make the jump into the world of NAS storage – with Black Friday all too often being the point that head to the checkout! Plex Media Server gives users the ability to access, view and browse their existing multimedia collection with the same level of graphical flare and services hat paid subscriptions services like Netflix and Disney+ include (Trailers, Cast information, media box art, reviews, etc). Plex is a little hungry as an application though and it can be tough to find a NAS drive that has the right amount of hardware to play 4K media, without breaking the bank. The Synology DS220+ arrives at an incredible affordably price point, yet (with a plex pass and concentrating on h.264 mEDIA AT UPTO 60Mb bitrate of 32Mb HEVC) it can still play ALOT of current multimedia! Add to this that the NAS is very low in power use and is a quite little 2 bay, and what you have is by far one of the best value 4K Plex NAS’ in the market.
The DS220+ will almost certainly see a refresh in 2023 towards a DS223+ NAS (with question marks about whether it will feature an Intel or AMD CPU – and even more questions on the whether it will have integrated graphics), the DS220+ is 100% going to be on offer at a number of retailers, as Synology begins to run down the stock of the 2020 gen, in favour of the 2023 generation. If you see the DS220+ at £250 o less this Black Friday, SNAP IT UP!
BEST Budget/Value NAS Black Friday 2022 Deal – Synology DS220j
If you HAVE decided to buy a NAS as a low key multimedia server for DLNA/uPnP streaming and/or low/2n tier backup server – then the incredibly affordable DS220j NAS will make ALOT of sense! It arrives at a fraction of the price of the more powerful Intel options mentioned above in the 2020 generation, but still has DSM on board, a quad-core 64bit ARM CPU and (although a little slower and needs a pinch more patience at times) is a really impressive, small scale NAS!
This is another NAS that is fully expected to see a 2023 refresh (largely down to the talk of a new Synology Value NAS with the Realtek RTD1619 CPU coming). So, be sure to look for this bargain on the week of Black Friday 2022!
BEST Surveillance NVR NAS Black Friday 2022 Deal – QNAP TS-453D
Arriving at a price point that is a pinch higher than some might expect (especially those weighing up between the TS-453D and TS-453Be), this serves as a more compact and affordable alternative to the TVS-473e and TVS-472XT. The TS-453D NAS is something that QNAP should be proud of. It is a great entry into their already impressive range of desktop NAS devices, finding an excellent balance between home and business users. If you are looking for a brand new ‘powerful on a budget’ NAS to consolidate your home media, Set up a Surveillance network, run virtual OS environments, sort through photo media, support your relatives as the ‘IT whizz’ of the family, or move your business away from Google Drives and DropBox’ onto something safer, more scalable and dependable – then the TS-453D has alot to offer you. It gives you a great base to start using the QTS platform, as well as a good means to upgrade your storage internally at a later date (expansions in memory to 8GB, expansions in storage with the TL & TR Series, expansion in NVMe, 10Gbe both in the QM2 range and more). When it comes to surveillance though, the fact the TS-453D has KVM support, is upgradable in about 5 different ways AND has 8 camera licences with QVR Pro, means that it is a fantastic Surveillance NAS indeed. Plus, now that you can upgrade AI services thanks to the m.2 connected $29 MTU upgrade card. As you can see from the graph below, pricing has been tremendously dynamic since the launch of the TS-464 and TS-453E NAS:
That said, If you are an existing TS-453Be or TS-453B owner, this might not seem like the jump you were waiting for. Likewise, the odd choice of PCIe Gen 2 x2 may present an internal bottleneck for some.
BEST Price Per Terabyte NAS Hard Drive Black Friday 2022 Deal – WD Red Plus 8TB
WD Red Plus 8TB NAS Hard Drive
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Interface: SATA
Size: 3.5″
NAS Drive Scale:1-8 Bays
Recording Method: CMR/PMR
RPM: 7200RPM
Cache: 256MB
USP: NASware 3.0, 180TB Workload, Balancing and Vibration Protection
Warranty: 3yrs
Packed with power to handle the small- to medium-sized business NAS environments and increased workloads1 for SOHO customers, WD Red™ Plus is ideal for archiving and sharing, as well as RAID array rebuilding on systems using ZFS and other file systems. Built and tested for up to 8-bay NAS systems, these drives give you the flexibility, versatility, and confidence in storing and sharing your precious home and work files. Built for Optimum NAS Compatibility
WD Red™ Plus drives with NASware™ technology takes the guesswork out of selecting a drive. Optimized for NAS systems, our unique algorithm balances performance and reliability in NAS and RAID environments. Simply put, a WD Red™ Plus drive is one of the most compatible drives available for NAS enclosures. But don’t take our word for it. WD Red™ Plus drives are a reflection of extensive NAS partner technology engagement and compatibility-testing. Links
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BEST Large Scale / Business NAS Hard Drive Black Friday 2022 Deal – Seagate Ironwolf Pro 16TB
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I just bought a used Seagate EXOS X18 16TB drive to back up my RAID 6 so I can convert it to SHR-2.
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Thank you for sharing, which HDDs would you recommend to go for in a NAS if mostly used as a photography storage accessed occasionally? I understand NAS is not a back up solution, but I would like to use it as raid 6 and actually have it as a main storage.
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Seagate also sneaked in SMR drives too.
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now it is over £300 in 2023 interesting …
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You don`t care anyway since you are just another Amazombi. You get 3% no matter what we buy from your links. If Azon is so cheap how come Bezos is a billionaire? Idinit? Keep on pushin’, Wankenstein.
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I guess you are an idiot. Idinit?
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I think a company which regularly updates its product every 3 years doesn’t make a solid lasting product
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I think a company which regularly updates its product every 3 years doesn’t make a solid lasting product
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Seagate are the worst hdd brand I have ever used, I had better luck with WD, hitachi & toshiba!
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If Synology introduced nvme storage pools capabilities, would you recommend a data redundancy/fail over?
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Third time i use the rescue service. Not once has it been able to recover my data. It’s a pure marketing scam. Period.
My last drive just stopped functioning with 7 tb on it. No fall, no surge, nothing. And yet, they could not retrieve a single bit of data.
Well that’s not really surprising at all.
Do you know how much it costs to actually get your data back using pro service? For a 8TB like mine, no less than 2000 euros.
Do you honestly thing they would endorse that kind of service for a mere 100$ (price of the HD) including the returned refurbished HD? Seriously? Come on. It’s a marketing trick. No more.
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Don’t buy I am use these rescue data facilities they don’t recover my data
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I got an 18TB Seagate Exos for my Plex server for $250 and I’ve been pretty happy with it.
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My ds918+ just broke – should i buy this one and can it migrate my disks?
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I think I bought my last Synology NAS last summer. The sheer wisdom of Synology to not accept other manufacturer’s nvme drives and to not support 2g5 or 5 Gbps as standard is unacceptable. It’s a solid OS , I’m using it since my first ds-101. I’m feeling a bit sad to know that I have to switch. I just have to.
I love the attention of you for the streaming aspects like Plex support. I think you were way to kind on this 923+, though. Air flow , ECC etc don’t make up for the short comings.
Clicked the bells and I keep following you. Thanks.
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I have one argument against EXOS – if we need something cheaper for home NAS and we don’t need 16TB, but just 2-4TB, Ironwolf is better, because the smallest EXOS is 16TB, which is significantly more expensive than 4TB Ironwolf.
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10 platters, helium, dual actuators… Its all great but what about reliability??
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Great content! Thanks for your time and experience!
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I am thinking about buying one of these and this Video helped me. Unfortunalley I am buying from a smaller companie in Germany.
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Just come across your channel as my HDDs pretty much failed in my Netgear RN312 (which has served me well to be fair) – so thought, why not look to upgrade it all! Like your presentation and the detail – you’ve just taken about 8 hours of my life and I only found you about 3 days ago (but that’s good ????). My question to you if you’d accept it – I’ve watched you review of this and the Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 – I’m going to have RAID 5 most likely across 4x8TB Ironwolf Pro drives (the new NT version) – which one would you choose if the cash is not the factor (I liked the TS-453D and TS-464 as well but don’t think they are the ones). Mostly about file protection and eventually YouTube video creation and photography with Lightroom. Appreciate your content.
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Hello. Is 18tb hdd will work with this nas ? WDC WUH721818ALE6L4
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Ever since my Seagate & WD drives tanked I’ve gone to NAS drives.
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Please do a vid on putting an open source OS on an ARM based Asustor! No one has done it!
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I’ve seen reports of using the read-write cache option causing the entire raid volume to crash if an ssd fails, so I’m personally going to be sticking with the read cache only.
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“Giant BBC” eh?
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How about Toshiba 12TB? Is the quality ok?
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It really sounds like an awesome service, but what about availability? Because I was not able to find what countries it is covering. If anybody has a link, please reply.
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I’m confused..; i saw so many times that the max capacity for a single volume that consumer NAS and docking station is 16tb per volume… but here 22tb (x4!!!) seems to work just fine and people in the comments mention 18tb being the sweet spot… are NAS and docking station compatible with more than 16tb despite the infos that they are not, that can be found often?
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I’ve been a fan of WD for a very very long time, back in the days when Seagate was utter crap and unreliable. However, I hate those WD helium filled drives, their hammering sounds are very irritating and have no reason to do that, even when idle! I purchased a Seagate Exos 18TB a while ago, and it’s whisper quiet (besides the faint 7200 rpm whine, which all drives do by the way) it barely does any hammering sounds like the WD’s do right next to it. And don’t even get me started about WD Elements 8TB+, they freaking vibrate like an earthquake, plus the very loud hammering sounds. As much as I would like to get a 22TB WD, the noise is simply unacceptable and it surprises me they haven’t figured out how to address that yet.
P.S. I love your channel because you’re the only one who reviews us the noise levels of hdd’s.
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Thank you!
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”climate change”???
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Hello, Very disappointing product, rubbish software (does NOT work) Lousy customer service. BAsed on my own personal experience, give this product a miss.
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How this doesn’t have more likes is unjust. He covers so much and shows great examples. He also has time marks for reference. Great resource! Keep up the good work, would give you more likes if I could.
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Thank you! Getting one today.
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This is another 6 months old and I’m trying to decide if I should buy it. I have a QNAP TS-659 and TS-231 that are both now EOL and unsupported, and so wondering if buying an almost 3 year old NAS makes sense as I’m closer to the situation I’m in now with having a lot of $$$ invested in devices I can no longer safely use. What is the best current model alternative to the DS220+, or do I just get it and take the risk.
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One thing I wish sonology would do especially further backup program is allow you to back up to a networked windows pool drive aka the NAS sync with networked multipooled Windows drive giving you to a form of backup even if you cannot see the data on the Windows pool that be fine if it was just an encrypted image or better yet allow the damn system to read Windows pool drives…. You’re plugging a USB hub with all your USB drives the nas makes its own virtual pool out of those drives and then it backs up just in case there’s nobody has a single 60 terabyte drive …. The fact that most people are coming from multiple hard drives externally to Nas and can’t use those multiple drives as a single pool backup is annoying especially when there’s hard drive crashes or or anything like that at least you’d have a personal backup I didn’t even pay 10-15 dollars per drive one time fee to make a pool for image backup
I literally had to Jerry rig using always-sync to back up the entire NAS drive on a 9 hard drive pool on the Windows side
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Insert the biggest thing I hate about Synology outside of their “hard drive requirements” (if the damn hard drive says Nas supported then it should just work you shouldn’t need a specific hard drive) is them telling you where to put your media or files for specific programs they own you should be able to tell the programs just like in Plex where the files are where you wanting to put the files and have one way think as an option with no deletion
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I personally find it difficult still for a novice user especially for making user accounts … Aka having public and private folders for individuals in a group setting (you can’t have both) we’re in the group setting everyone has the rules AKA right and no delete for public folder and the ability for only individual users in that group to only see their private folder and not everyone else’s
Aka private “Jon” public “all” private “Sarah”
John can still see Sarah’s folder
Because I haven’t nested in an outside folder public and an outside folder private where all their names are in the private folder so it’s nice and organized
But everyone can still see everyone’s folder I’d love to have it so that you can easily isolate nested folders
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One application they should make is a network photo slideshow screen saver picture frame app with dslp and outside network
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The one and only thing I don’t like about Synology multimedia apps or drive apps…. Is they TELL you where to put your media AND GENERALLY HAVE TWO-WAY SINK AS DEFAULT
Most users are going to have a plexa library that they’ve probably customized and should customize in one bulk “media folder” and then break it down within…. If you do stuff like that for all your multimedia they’re native apps don’t work you have to have it where they want it…. Same with sync you have to have it where they want it and it’s only sync … Me personally I want one-way sink data goes on the NAS … You can delete it off the phone or computer and that won’t transfer over…. They have improved the drive application but I still have to improve video photo and the other ones to be one way and for us to control the locations multiple or single nested location I don’t want to be told or you got to have it in the ” home /user /names/ photo/ to have the photo application work
NO I want to have it in plex media / photos/ cell phone 01/
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Put a sticker with the purchase date on the hdd, then x many years down the line, you know when the warranty runs out and time to get a new one.
I would rather they save on the brown box and not save on putting cheap hardware in.
I like the look it’s more unique than the others but would look funny in my rack lol.
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I just put all of my docs and photos on a 4 tb drive and went to get the rest of the photos off of my phone and onto it and it won’t mount suddenly. so stressed out. your video is giving me hope because I did purchase the rescue edition with data recovery services. fingers crossed ????
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why do I need raid 1 on the ssd cache? It doesn’t matter if the data is gone on the cache if one ssd fails. The data is stored on the HDD after a Data is altered in the read/write cache. or is written again from the HDD when a new SSD is added. So that makes no sense. Raid 0 would be better in this case.
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I had a HDD external 14 TB Seagate with the data recovery. Warning to all. It failed and Seagate was not able to recover the data and has not replaced the drive as they stated they would do. I will never buy a Seagate drive again.
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Thanks a ton for this video. Finally, a decent demystification of what these are all about. Really much appreciated.
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all these large drives tick thump at idle that drives us nuts or they have a pre wear leveling arm spastic arm every 5 seconds
my quest ist now to find the largest drive that wont tick in my pc desktop case and avoid a tickidy tock large server hdd
my top hgst 4tb ale640 makes no noise at idle and my papersticker seagate 8tb ticks and the 12tb also ticks at idle
the silver hgst 6 and hgst to WD 8tb still silver front are my next silent try outs to get, i have a feeling that they will die faster
then the 3 and 4 tb silent idle hgst ale640’s do
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Can I use a Seagate Ironwolf drive as a single-use drive for now, and then add it to a NAS setup later?
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Its a great time to be a data hoarder
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I was going to buy this as my first NAS as I run a small electrical business and also run a PLEX server with only a handful (around 40 titles) of 1080P MKV files.
I use my laptop for my business use but, as my business and client base are expanding, I’m finding I’m maxing the storage capacity of my laptop which now runs like an old Ford Cortina where it once ran like a Ferrari.
My current PLEX server is an Nvidia Shield (2017) so I guess I could use that to process any transcoding etc etc.
I would use 3 x 6TB Toshiba M300’s in a RIAD1 configuration which I feel would be ample space for at least another 5 years or so.
I do plan to create more MKV files but only in 1080p although I do own an LG C2 OLED so 4k is do-able….
Any thoughts??
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Lol one of the first real tech reviews I’ve seen. Giving a real review with real pros and cons not “fake positive cons” really help solidify the information as being useful. Great job
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one last thing … how is the power-efficiency on theses?
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brilliant review! thank you a lot! really!
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can you use NVME as a volume drive
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Excellent video, as always.
I might be missing something but those two 2.5 Gbps ports, aren’t they a downgrade compared to the 10 Gbps of the 422?
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I am late to the party—I got mine about a month ago. It is populated with 8 Tb Ironwolf Pro drives (that I will be upgrading to 16 Tb thanks to SHR). I love it—I can stream 4 simultaneous Plex videos with to stuttering or buffering. Wonderful product. I was on the fence between this one and the newer DS923+ but the integrated graphics on the 920+ sold it for me.
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Comprehensive and useful. If using the drive as Archive-only, rather than NAS application, is there any drawback to choosing the EXOS drives in 14+ TB sizes? Even a year later than your comments here, they remain the lowest price per TB.
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Does the Synology DS920+ DiskStation support these 22TB drives?
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Does the Synology DS920+ DiskStation support these 22TB drives?
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Does the Synology DS920+ DiskStation support these 22TB drives?
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At 16:43 you mention HDMI 2.0, it’s 2.1 according to the spec sheet.
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Something that I don’t think has been mentioned is physically transferring HDDs from an older Intel NAS to the DS923+. I believe you could transfer drives from, say, a DS918+ to a DS920+, but will drives from a 918 be accepted in the 923 considering it’s a Ryzen CPU?
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I am a Sports photographer, and I’m gathering more and more external drives as time passes, so it’s time to go NAS. Which one would be the best for photographers? Just to put the files, and have security on it? I spend around 6/8 TB per year. Using 2021 27’’ IMac. I need fast reading as I work the photos inside the external drive not in the computer main drive. Cheers. Happy new year
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Thank you for this Video!
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synology will lost their market
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would you say the 218+( with ram at 10gb ddr3) is better than the newer 220j ? ( 500mb of ddr4?ram )
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how good is this for plex
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Maybe i missed it but is there a video of yours comparing the boise of the 20tb specifically to the 18tb. I currently have a bunch of 18tb shucked in synology nas in a loft situation so trying to keep noise down but maximizing hd size.I know this drive design as you state isnt just the next size up but a different design from the 18tb.
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Looking to upgrade my NAS, but I don’t know man. I think I’m done with Synology. They just seem underpowered and overpriced these days. They have a bunch of models, but none seems to be a good value anymore. At least for me.
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Let me start off by revealing I do not know much at all about Networking or wifi.
I am installing a completely new home system.
HOW CLOSE can the Nighthawk AX6000 WiFi Router (RAX120) be located to the NAS unit, and the unmanaged Switch?
I was hoping to place them on a wooden DIY shelf I’m making, to go on top of my file cabinet in my office.
The arrangement will be as follows:
• Router (will set OUTSIDE, top of shelf unit)
• Unmanaged Switch (will set inside the shelf unit; on top shelf)
• NAS Unit (will set inside of shelf unit; on bottom shelf)
If this setup is a problem, could I circumvent the problem by building the shelf unit from metal, and grounding the metal to the center safety grounding screw of a 110vac wall outlet?
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Looking at the QNAP site for the TS464, it says to use QNAP memory. Is that a “must” of just the standard line adn in fact you can put any branded memory in? I can see you cen get 8gb of Crucial SODIMM DDR4 3200mhz for £21 a stick which seems like a bargain if it would wokr in this
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Thanks
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When will the 2023 upgrade be launched? I’m reluctant to but the DS220+ when a new model is on the horizon.
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Funny how that Security Advisor isn’t barking at you for having the standard 5000 and 5001 ports in use. Mine’s been yelling at me 24/7 about it.
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That really is an in-depth and thorough review. I’ve had the DS1621+ for about a year and you’ve helped explain what some of the apps actually do. Thank you.
As a photographer using Lightroom to manage my my photos, I still cannot understand why I need Synology Photos or S Video to manage them?
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Thank you for the detailed review. I am interestedin buying a new Synology Nas (920+) and i own an old XP 32 bit PC do you think there will be any issues about compatibility from Win XP 32 bit to the DSM 7.1 Synology NAs, in that case does any workaround exist?
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According to cpu-monkey and Geekbench 5 the R1600 is even slower than the J4125 in multi-core benchmark. That makes sense since hyperthreading / SMT can not make up for real cores. Also considering the high power consumption, I think it’s the wrong choice for this kind of device.
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That was very helpful, thank you! I’m looking for a NAS that will enable me to do video intensive video editing of 4k h264 files. I will do that on 2 macs (imacPro 2017 and MacStudio 2022). So I assume 10GbE is a must have for a NAS. I don’t need all that much storage space because I archive most of the stuff that I finished working on.
Do you think the DS923+ is the way to go, or would you recommend something else?
Any help is greatly appreciated. For a layman all the NAS options seem a bit overwhelming.
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What do you think of CRUCIAL ssd’s?
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I would love to see a new comparison video between Exos and Ironwolf Pro Drives, because the new Ironwolf Pro generation (e.x ST8000(NT)001 / 500TB per Year Workload, 2M MTBF and unlimited drive bays supported) rivals the Exos Drives in my opinion.
I would like to hear your thoughts about it.
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Excellent information in this video! Thanks!
I have been using Seagate drives for many years. I’ve also used other manufacture drives. I’ve had very few issues with drives. I found when installed with fans blowing air over the drive surfaces for cooling they lasted longer. Since SSDs became reasonable in cost I have been using them for boot drives. I use hybrid drives for data storage. With small business and home computers I have had these drives last for some years with very little failure. It is important to buy a drive designed for the type of use if you want decent performance and reliability. In commercial environments where the drives are heavily used failures were happening more often.
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Hi. Great video. Do you know when a new model 2 bay nas from Synology will be released to replace the one in this video?
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Just a warning for anyone looking to purchase this NAS. According to the terra-master forum, terra-master has disabled support for ALL third party RAM for this model after the TOS 5 update. They are only allowing their “officially supported” RAM modules that just so happen to cost 4-5 times the price of equivalent third party RAM. I just found this out after purchasing the NAS and think I will have to return it. Third party RAM is usable if you install another OS like TrueNas so they are disabling support in their software.
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My opinion on HDD OEMs
WesternDigital: you can’t buy anything from es because wd is straight up lying or changing the specs and components of their drives without disclosing it. You get what wd has in the garbage bin at that point in time. And expensive.
Seegate: cheap buy least reliable of the 3 oems
Toshiba: somewhere in between the other two without the lying of WD. My actual go to brand.
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Raid is garbage, for personal use. Just follow the 3 copies law and you’ll be OK. Anything important, which for the home is generally documents, photos and home videos just use MEGA or Google Drive. Have a USB drive for the second or just use two of them, skipping the online storage and use this as the third and local. Most drives spend 6 months to a year letting you know they are having issues before they finally die. Plenty of time to just copy files over, but the majority of things are perfectly fine in raw storage configs with the file system of your choosing. You are basically buying an Acer Aspire cheap computer here with the benefit of extra storage and swap bays. Asustor has always been a company doing it right and their own way. What other NAS in this price range can you play some CS-GO on, or play beast games off your main PC with Parsec? It’s an over-engineered value monster and you need to own one right now!
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I’m the one who watched the whole thing! And some bits twice. Very helpful in trying to decide between a Synology DS923+ and Qnap TS464. Synology seems to have the upper hand software-wise which I suspect carries more weight for a home user than the superior hardware of the Qnap? Thank you for providing this extensive review!
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Maybe I’m missing something? I run a synology nas and use the infuse app for apple on all my apple 4K’s for media streaming. What am I missing out on not running plex? I’m guessing all the magic is happening inside the phone or Apple TV because my nas or media never lags when watching 4K hdr10 or Dolby vision title. Seems like so manny people worry about plex performance is this just because they don’t use Apple devices? I tried plex it was pretty bad at stream when the nas needed to decode or whatever.
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Brillant Review .. Thanks aLot
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On e the new mechanicsk hds withh 500 to 600mb read write due to new teck a d built in nand for power failure will mske 2.5 ssd dead. As better long term use snd fo t wear out ad quick as ssd
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9:00, the 1621+ is actually $720 before tax, you just have to add to cart under your account. I am comparing that to the new 1522+…!
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UPDATE: As of Nov 26 2022 Amazon is offering $70 OFF the QNAP TS-253D!!! It is currently priced at $299. I bought one last night!
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I like his British accent.
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Thanks for looking. Here in Aust Black Friday / Cyber Monday is just a huge scam.
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….is there an alternative new nas with embedded graphics?
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How do you see that the scarers put the CPU at 70 degrees in idle? At least on 4-bay models like this one. That throws me off a bit. In summer I don’t even want to imagine
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Just purchased a 2TB SK Hynix Platinum P41 Gen4 SSD for my PS5 during Amazon Black Friday deal. All reviews I seen show them running faster and cooler than the Samsung 980 Pro and WD_Black SN850 options. I haven’t seen anything on your channel about them yet. Thinking of putting the Sabrent PS5 heatsink on it. Thoughts?
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The most important thing to know is that you CANNOT play X/S games from the HDD. You can store the X/S games but you must move the game to internal storage or a Seagate SSD card to play it. The OG games, 360, and ONE games will play just fine from the HDD which is USB 3.2 ????
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@08:20 I was tempted to get that 18tb drive too, and maybe I will but just an FYI, Amazon sometimes will put the 18tb WD Gold drive on sale at $337.50, and with the prime credit card another 5% off at $320.63. Still $20 more than the red pro, but if someone was wanted the gold drives or to add a little drive diversity, I think that is a good deal if you can catch it.
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Great info thanks!
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what do you think about the samsung 980 pro 2tb for $179(usd)?
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Deals are fairly unimpressive this year
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for anyone looking for a cheap ds720+ my trendy phone in the uk for £375, I didnt put the link as it would be removed 🙂
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Terramaster t6-423 6 bay, Can you take out the 4gb of ram and replace it with 8gb after using it with 4gb for a while will I lose data, ???
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In Canada, I have found in recent years that Memory Express has the best price and availability.
Why we have Black Friday deals in Canada is a mystery; our Thanksgiving is in October.
And, why we even have Thanksgiving in Canada is a puzzle. The whole Pilgrims giving thanks stuff is an American myth. I prefer roast beef and Yorkshire pudding anyway.
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2:51
Terramaster FS-422:
Seagulls: Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine!
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Hi, I just started to look into nas and i bought my first nas, asustor AS6704T. Got only 1 question. Exist some app like aivideos for the tv?
thx in advance
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ah damn :/ my comment isn’t shown because it contains a link to a recommended price comparison/tracking portal for europe 🙁
oh well.. however, thanks for the video!
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Looks like Synology have discontinued the 920+ for some reason (no longer on their website) so looks like no option but to purchase 923+ now for the normal person maybe have to find another brand instead (was looking for 920+ on a Black Friday deal but seems no one really offering it. Oh well time for re-think on what to do now
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Newegg has the DS920+ for $440 (if you trust Newegg after their drama). Hopefully it’s not mislabeled and in stock, but might get an oops refund.
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The limitations of Terramaster in comparison to QNAP or Synology, are frustrating (I speak as an owner of QNAP and Terramaster). The hardware is good, the software and available apps are disappointing.
NAS wise, I recently replaced a TS453A with a TS233, and its brilliant. (The AI/NPU unit makes Qumagie very good indeed), it runs pihole in a container and it has enough power/RAM to be very usable at a bargain price. (until recently the USB 3.0 port worked with a Plugable USB 2.5Gbe adapter too! but a recent OS upgrade stopped that 🙁 )
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The BHPhoto deals come with significant coupons applied at checkout, so the 899.99 NAS is actually $710 + tax when added to cart.
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I just bought the TS-464 for a small business and want to run Virtualization Station. The NAS came with 4GB of RAM (ADATA ADS2666J4G19-BSSZ). What would the compatible Crucial RAM be to bump up the memory?
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So how will the 923+ handle surveillance station without the embedded GPU? 6 x 4K cameras for example. Is this going to be able to record and handle remote viewing on i devices? Better or worse than the 920+? I don’t have or want plex, just curious about the surveillance video aspects.
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This is not a review but a sales pitch. Stick to FACTs and not hopes or suppostions. Very disappointing ‘review’, with little mention of the Synology lock in of added gear to make it work. No 2.5 or 10G network as standard. What a joke.
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Awsome information. Now please a similar video on Qnap. I cant make up my mind as I need both photo management and video surveillance. It seems like Qnap and Synology takes 1 point each.
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Jellyfin?!!! Most channels that review media server software, either only deep-dive their preferred offering, or only give an overview compression of the field. If someone like you, who can give the same enthusiasm creating two videos deep-diving two NASs that only differ by a drive bay, puts that into a spin-off series on a topic that is close to a large chunk of your demographic, that would be a real treat.
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Debating between the DS220+ and the DS420J. I don’t see a lot of comparisons between the two since they are the same price. Obviously you get two more bays but I’ve seen tech comments saying the 220+ is better… what does the comment section here say?
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Just got myself 920+ after this video
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Thks & I just watched it again & most excellent;
I’m a retired physicist & have no real problem understanding the infinite details.
However my problem is how to keep it simple & stupid (ex: high tier levels of simplicity, brevity, encapsulation, etc).
Oh with my goal is to sociably knit-together all my family, relatives, friends, etc on my synology NAS.
Unfortunately I’m going to be Mr Tech support for them. Sooooo I gots-tos keep-it-simple is an understatement & I will be abused (I says anything for family/friends though ;).
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I’m also only seeing 360. Can’t make out any screen. text
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I was waiting for this to replace my aging DS412 which cannot run VM’s or Dockers which I need to install Home Assistant (home automation). However, a 2 core CPU does not mesh well with virtualization (I agree that threads are not cores …). The lack of a 2.5 GB ethernet port and the higher power use are just the final nails in the coffin for me, I’ll be skipping this model and hang on to my DS412 for the moment …
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You’re a DSM PhD;
I never hear so dense of a presentation of great DSM info & my head is still spinning, thks.
Next-time, you think about having something good to drink every-once in a-while.
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47:05 Where, When
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Still only 360p for me
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Still just in 360p
Hope it will fix soon.
Thx for all the effort!
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Watched you video from begin to end! Loved the deep dive into DSM, since I am looking into buying a new Synology. Keep up your amazing videos!
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Nice video. Does anyone know why my USB printer doesn’t work anymore on my Nas Synology ?
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Thanks for a great video. Really explains what everything is. Recently got my NAS and been already updating hard drives in it. It will mainly be used as a PLEX Server but already considering what i will do when i start upgrading the smaller drives in it. May consider another NAS and use it as strict data back up and maybe a synology Drive / synology Calendar and Email setup. Move my calendar off Google’s stuff. We will see If i do that at some point. Great job again
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So, not only is it missing 2.5gbps, and has a proprietary insert card for 10/5/2.5 wich will cost closer to 100-150 euro, it requires their OWN EXPENSIVE DRIVES.
Im not expecting the “base” ds923 (none-plus) to support essential features, like the expansion card, virtualisation, ram upgrading.
They are going to force people who have a 920+ or similar to switch to another manufacturer all together.
Synology is greedy and will loose alot of favor in the home user department, wich in long term will hurt them as people dont get used to their software/hardware early.
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Thank you for all the work you put into this. Very helpful.
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I dont really like these 5 reasons videos. Just tell me what is good and what not.
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My English man!!! What a video! Greetings from Greece! I really appreciate your hard work and that content. I have a DS 1520 + and I am not regretting getting it although the new 1522 is out. You have my admiration. Keep up the professional and good work.
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Why only 360p is showing ????
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Would it be too much to expect something similar for QTS?
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Why 360p? Can’t see it clearly.
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Wow ! What an episode – a full tutorial for everything ! A one stop shop – Thanx Robbie ‘ol mate !
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Yes was wondering why its. 360p till saw the comments
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*Important* Interested in the software that the Synology DS923+ NAS Arrives with? Check out my MASSIVE Synology DSM 7.1 Software Review HERE – https://youtu.be/SqFa0WyxGJc
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*Note* – Regarding picture quality, this is a BIG video (so many features to cover in a single video) and YouTue can sometimes be a little slow to process HD and 4K uploads, so if this video is in low-quality for you, maybe come back in an hour or so, as YouTube should have finished processing it and have the 4K, 1080p and 720p versions done. Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy the review of Synology DSM 7.1, featuring the DS923+ NAS.
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This „before you buy“ helped me alot. Conclusion for me as multimedia guy: wait and hope that Synology will release a DS with integrated GPU or looking to Qnap and hope that they make their NAS SW secure regarding Cyberattacks… But how long do I have to continue waiting for that …. Maybe another two years ????????
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AMD = shit
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According to the spec sheet the NVMe SSDs can be used for “additional storage pools.”
The Synology DS923+ is a capable 4-bay NAS solution that can be adjusted and expanded as your needs change, with optional support for up to nine drives, faster networking, and NVMe SSDs for caching or additional storage pools. Powered by Synology DiskStation Manager (DSM), it offers a flexible all-in-one solution for data sharing, synchronization, backup, and surveillance.
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Will it support Raid F1? It seems not.
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Thanks for the warning not to buy
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I assume as I use the latest 2022 Apple 4K TV I don’t need to worry about transcoding by the NAS
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This thing should be $249 give the low powered CPU, 1gbe ports.
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Thanks for the video. Everything about this device tells me to change to QNAP after 15 years of using only Synology. The only thing that still has me on the fence is that it will not be as compatible using my old Synology for backing up from my new NAS.
Using it mainly for media the AMD processor is a big minus. I’d consider the 920+ which keeps my new CAT7e network unused. QNAP doesn’t have DSM. Dilemma.
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Came to see what underpowered CPU Synology put in their NAS for 2023. Wasn’t disappointed.
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DS923+ ……. Garbage
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Out of the box, this is mostly a downgrade or level with the prior version. Worse power efficiency and limited support for third party drives are the ones that affect me, and it grates that I have to pay relatively a lot extra for up-to-date networking. I just want a big, simple, super fast storage engine on the network for two photo / video editors. I could make the DS923+ work, but I’m going to take a hard look at QNAP and others. I love my DS218j, which taught me the joys of NAS. But Synology just seems a bit hostile to its customers.
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I’m glad instead of doing a long form 30-40 minute review you did a much shorter 33 minute video ????. Haha I’m just messing around, this was really helpful. I’m on the fence with the ds923+. I am a heavy Plex user and some family members use my current server with transcoding outside my home, but I use an Apple TV 4K and mostly do direct play myself. I have fast upload speeds, so maybe since I’ll be able to connect this over Ethernet, it’ll be fast enough for any family members to also direct play. The overall faster CPU and potentially faster Ethernet ports seem like nice upgrades over the 920+. Decisions, decisions. Thanks again for the info! I’ve been following your videos over the last couple of months as I’ve been trying to narrow down my choices for a new, first NAS.
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Short answer is no. This NAS is a fine file server, but way over priced. For less money you can get a Terra or Asustor and get the same performance. If you wanted to go prosumer, QNAP really is the only way to go. I went with 453E and it works extremely well and is just amazing in all that it can do. Sadly Synology is going very cheap to bump bottom line and is focusing on file serving.
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I bought the Asustor Lokerstor Gen 2 4 bay and it’s really fast. I even enabled to generate frames in Plex and it did that flawlessly while downloading data with download manager and watching a movie.
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Thank you for saving people from big purchasing mistakes! When I saw it didn’t have an Intel CPU, I thought about Plex Transcoding performance immediately. I would like to see benchmark comparison with the DS920+ for Plex performance…please ????
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No Plex no love. Simple as that.
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For Plex users that still need to transcode I think the best option would be just to use the DS923+ as a file server . Pick up an 8th gen or newer intel NUC for transcoding duties and point the folder share to the DS923+ where your Plex media would be stored.
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So NVME as storage would be available at 920+ or just at 923+? Bit confused here cause it could be the game changer.
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hmmm, i just ordered the 920+ this morning, damn will cancel my order then?
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Can I have a TLDW? Buy 923 or 920? 923 has ECC, more energy consumption and faster clock speed. So 920 right? For having more dedicated cores and more importantly that sweeet sweet transcoding action
Edit: I cant wait for the upgraded models for 1622+ 1622xs+. Would it be alright to expect them to release these in a years time or are these already new?
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Great content, thanks for all the input
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Noticed this on Synology’s website on the DS923+ product page “Synology SNV3400 series M.2 NVMe SSD drives can be installed through the built-in M.2 slots to enable SSD caching or create SSD storage pools”. This does look like Synology will enable NVME will be allowed for storage pools.
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Short answer: No. You should NOT buy the 923+. This is def a skip generation.
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shame I bought the 920+ few months ago… well guess i’ll start looking to upgrade to the 5-bay version of this
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Thank you very much for your video and your invested efforts!
Could you tell me, with how many tablets/mobile phones could you use to access and watch videos on the NAS from the Internet?
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On the RAM front, I’ve been running my 920+ with 20GB RAM (Timetec 16GB stick installed) for months without an issue. Other things will be a bottleneck before the RAM for me. When I had just the basic 4GB, RAM was being fully utilised for some operations but 20GB I’ve never seen pushed. At least when I’ve checked.
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Will pass on this and wait and see if we get a DS1524 with better hardware
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Tip!: Hardware-accelerated streaming is a premium feature and requires an active Plex Pass subscription.
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#920+Forever #Team920+
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Best description of Plex ever! ????
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You can already turn the NVMEs into a storage pool. Pretty straightforward as RAID1, and a gamechanger for putting things like Plex or Docker directly on that NVME storage pool. Blazing fast!
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Unfortunately for all multimedia guys Synology took the opposite path, for enterprise companies it is ok but not for the regular consumers like me.
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Always, thank you for great video sharing. I just bought my 920+ last week, upgrade from ds214play . After compare and found the new features offer in 923+ is just not what really need the wait.
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Eddie was right on the button! this is a low level business NAS, rather than a Mid/high level SOHO/Prosumer user! Big pass for me. I so much wanted to upgrade next year! Not happening for me now with this model, I’ll stick with my 918 for now, no way going to Qnap (just because of DSM, but for how much longer?).
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I just bought my ds920+ two weeks ago to avoid ds923+ and I am so happy ????
Do you expect some new ds123j? for remote backups
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Does this boot from the USB drive, so you can install whatever OS you want on it?
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On 2280 can I mount 2.5form factor SSD? Say Samsung 870 evo 2TB internal ssd
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I got a Asustor AS3202T that got hit by the Deadbolt ransomware. I was running Plex, EZ connect and other port opening services as well as the default admin account. I had no experience in NAS security back then but ever since the attack I’ve been reading up a lot. Now I want a new NAS and after the attack I thought “never more Asustor” and started looking at the Synology DS1621+, but considering all the features in Lockerstor 6bay gen 2 I’m really contemplating getting Asustor again. I will use my old NAS as backup and set up snapshots, not use external access without vpn, set up different accounts etc and make as much security adjustments as I can but I still totaly can’t fight the feeling of insecurity ???? what are your thoughts? Am I overthinking the security threat? Should I go with Asustor or combine new Synology with old Asustor as backup. Is there any security benefit of combining brands? Thanks for a great video!
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Can the Lockerstor 4 Gen 2 take various speed drives? I understand the drive capacities need to match, but, I have 2x 4TB Iron Wolf’s which run at 5900 RPM. Buying another 2 will likely mean I have to purchase 5400 RPM as the former is now discontinued. Will speed differential cause me issues?
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Cool
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Love mine and got unRaid working on it just fine. F2 is how you get into bios if anyone is interested. Works like a champ so far. Going to stress test it and do some 4K Plex transcoding hopefully soon. So far happy with the purchase and nice to know unRaid can run on it as that is my preferred NAS OS.
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I have the older Nimbustor (5304) 4 bay. Would there be a way to migrate my 4 disks to the 6 disk Lockerstor and add two more disks without losing my data ?
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I’m about to buy my new NAS and I was wondering if the software supports snapshots. Thanks
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Was thinking of going synology but with them pushing having to use their drives on their platform, is sort of a deal breaker i feel, Lockerstor is the only other choice in my country so tempting but maybe I should just setup my own
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AS6604T owner. ADM BTRFS RAID5 avoid! Stuck in booting-storage loop, 21TB data on there. 🙁
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I have the 4 bay version of the gen 2 here. I am interested in a combo card for the 10GBE and nvme. Where can I find those?
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9:34. Hi there! We do not have official support for 5GbE on USB and do not recommend people go out and purchase one. We do, however have upgrades in the works to help people add 10GbE AND M.2 to their NAS. Stay tuned!
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I love my ASUSTOR AS7004T currently looking to upgrade to a gen 2
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2022 I’m happy with my NAS DS218+ like the e-sata expantion for DX517, I don’t look in this DS220+
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so i use a 1TB seagate barracuda for windows 10 and is in use all the time, and now that i watch this did i make a mistake, should i change to ssd before its to late?
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I wonder how many types he knocked over the drives and cut them footage XD
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It does offer the upgrade to DSM 7.1.1-42962 Update 1 which is my current software edition. Also went from Synology Moment to Now Synology Photo ver. 1.3.0-0317 I love my little machine . Hardly ever need to go into it unless I get a notification of an update to be installed. Now automated backup of all my devices at the end of the day and will turn my computer off when it has completed the backup.
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I don’t want the history bro I want to know what drive is worth buying man.
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I run Seagate Barracuda 2.5″ drives in my NAS, but I 100% expect them to fail. Running double parity, and I keep a few drives sitting around waiting for it. But they’re cheap and they work, even with shingled storage, it’s fine for my needs.
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What does it matter to the drive how many “bays” there are in total? Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but you mean other simultaneously connected drives to a computer. Now Barracudas DM are SMR, and VX are still CMR. Until this happened, how could a drive be “geared” towards a certain performance? It’s not that a VX is unable to read. I use them in my computers.
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Anyone installed the app on mobile phone for this device.?
I’m trying to do this after following the full guidelines on setup , and for over 24 hrs I’m trying to add to my phone and see the Nas, but can’t login.
On my Pc and sharing on my network is ok, i can see and connect, but once I’m open my app on phone, i can’t login.
I’m using my user name and password,but on last option said,, PLEASE INPUT TNAS ADDRESS “. That’s the problem i just can’t understand,what do i need to add there.
Any help or advice will be really appreciated.
Thank you
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my seagate compute 8TB is annoying the hell outta me, its just a few months old, when i bought the drive i just Quick formatted 2 times as i read thats what you do with a new drive, i installed games from steam, it starts been funny, i power on my PC the Bios/intro screen automatically starts scanning and repairing this drive, everytime i reboot my pc it does this, drive does show in windows and appears to be working its accessable however thoughtout the day the desktop will give me a popup about this drive needing a repair also steam is refuseing to update games due to a currupt disk? its not dead its just been awkward, also having issues in games with loading. any ideas?
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Prices are pretty low on 12TB Ironwolf drives right now (October 2022). Cheaper than 10TB sometimes. Do you reckon that they are being discontinued? Should I jump now?
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This is exactly the video I needed right now. Thank you so much!
Home user: Plex and file server/storage, backing up to 2nd NAS/cloud. Finger hovering over the 653D Buy button (since the price is currently extremely low – perhaps because the E is coming)! Would go for one of the AMD-powered devices, but the graphics card for transcoding will cost extra AND with energy prices increasing, I want to keep the power draw to a minimum. Would go for Synology, but they seem to want to cripple their NAS’s to force users to pay way over the odds for their own brand stuff (RAM, etc). No, thanks!! I think the 653D will cover my simple needs for the coming years, and the old 453A can be repurposed as a backup in the cellar.
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What if you have a 16 tb drive that failed how is that recovered? how long would it take to download 16tbs of data? i have done gigs never TB’s. Excellent teacher. I learned a lot.
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Is his head enlarged 1.5 times larger than normal as a joke? It’s out of proportion – pretty funny, dude!
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Love the review, looking for a replacement for my 10 year old 4 bay QNAP. Can you fit 2.5 SATA SSDs in the bays as standard? How noisy is the fan in this, as looking for a quiet system. Thanks!
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I bought an 8TB Seagate and it must have been a mistake as it only have 150 Gb capacity on it. I verified the correct format and drive type and still 150 GB for what should be 8 TB. Returning it to Target.
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Can I have a private cloud on this one?
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If only it was near 200 bucks over here. They’re still charging the full 320 for it and have been basically since release. For that money i’d rather wait.
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I got one in 2021 and its been quite awesome for my use case as a plex media server and also playing around with docker images. Its quite impressive. Hoping to upgrade to a more powerful one which can support transcoding comfortably. Awesome channel btw!
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17:10 I started laughing!
Thank you for your time and efforts, I do appreciate somebody like you, doing so much for our IT community!
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Hello to you Sir and anyone else.
I just need a HHD to free up my SSDs and reorganize.
Which one should I get for use with my MacBook?
I am interested in the ranges from 10-16TB.
Thank you for your responses before I see and reply.
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Gonna be a sad day when that hard drive gives in ????. All your files gone.
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Where the heck is my 50 TB Tape Back Up drive? Its embarrassing just how slow Tape storage has been pushing along.
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My Drobo 5D3 is considerably louder though I’ve no actual figures to back this statement up.
I have a Synology DS1621+ and would look for a different system for my two onsite drives. Even though the Synology is easy to use, I was always advised that you should have 3 different types of drive, one of which is off-site.
Having just watched this test, when my Drobo eventually dies, I might invest in a Q-Nap populated with big drives. Thanks
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Stupid size Shingle drives are only good for CCTV or mega corp data farm media archives. anything else they are a screaming nightmare. just dont even think of using them for regular systems.
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Not long ago I bought a QNAP NAS to store all of my photos and video on. I backup to USB drives. It didn’t take me long to figure out that a NAS with RAID is obsolete with even 18 TB drives.
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How’s the noise level on a single drive in a single drive environment ?
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16/18tb hdd is still best pricepoint for Tb/$.
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PC Users! Needs a calculator to do simple maths.
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sound test on a wooden desk? of course it is going to be louder, so these sound tests are not indicative to the actual sound on a sound dampening surface which you would use if had this setup.
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Excellent
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I’ve never seen you before, but youtube suggested you. I was going quite fine until that musical turd became apparent. Up yours – you’ve lost a viewer for life. Bye.
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Check out my soft
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Wow, your carbon footprint is HUGE
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I think it’ll fit about 700k FLAC files
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Just want to say Thank You! Your videos have so much genuinely great advice for those of us who are trying to start up with NAS Drives… I started off with a WD My Cloud Home (Not the greatest experience), recently inherited a Synology DS713+ which was pre set up to RAID0, I’d like to update the second drive as its got a 12TB in (1) and a 4TB in (2), and I’d like to update (2) to something bigger for the future… Will I be able to make sure all the data is on (1) as it shouldnt be filled up as yet, or am I going to have remigrate all the data and set up a fresh install? Also is this a model I can upgrade the Memory on easily? I find Plex runs really slowly and would like to make the most of what I have already. Thanks in advance, Keep up the great videos, 22TB???!!!! WHOA! I dont think I could ever fill that!
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these will be pulls in 2-3 yrs – the upside – hold almost entire alphafold db on one drive
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good one
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I need this for storage party of my tv shows 1930-1990
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22TB is huge ? Not really. Had a 1TB drive13 years ago.
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Always keep my Windows, macOS, Synology and QNAP firmware/updates up-to-date but have never updated the firmware on a physical NAS drive. Have main QNAP running 8x 12TB IronWolf drives can you do a video on the do’s and dont’s, the benefits/risk and the process itself?
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Can vouch for seagate took my 5tb 2.5 inch external drive that failed took 1 month they paid for all postage and I got it back with 95% data back on a free 4tb drive and a new one back that I’m now using lol. It’s fucking awesome I won’t buy any other drives while they offer this
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You should divide by 1000.
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As of now I have 34TB being used in my Synology, 5233 movies 657 Tv shows (I don’t know how many episodes) mostly 480p and now slowly going to 1080p and getting very few 4k. Also backing up all of my families phone’s photo’s and videos, free space gets eaten up quick.
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This intro made my day. Thank you.
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With the extra bit of storage left, You might be able to squeeze in all Dr. Who episodes which is about 870 episodes according to the Wiki.
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Love your channel. I have an older DS418 that i will be upgrading to a DS922+. I currently have Seagate Ironwolf 8 Tb drives (5400 spin) but plan on upgrading to Synology 12 Tb drives (7200 spin) over time. Will the difference in speed hinder performance until i replace all 4 drives??
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What I like about the 22TB HDD is that it is exactly 20TB real capacity available on the system.
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Ahh liars from WD? Huuh, no thanks.
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This needs to become a offical measurements for what hard drives can store. I think we need to have a website that will let you choose the show and the quality and say how many episodes the hard drive will store.
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Are you able to do a series on the Toshiba N300 series? Over the past year or so I have been moving to them from the Seagate and WD NAS drives.
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Dividing by 1024? Hard drive sizes are quoted in 1000 bases… TiB vs TB mixup.
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NAS Pro drives are pointless price wise. Get enterprise instead.
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22TB is $1450 Australian Dollars…. WTF. The 20TB model is $1,100 AUD and the 18 is somehow $900 AUD. How tf is 4GB worth $550 dollars?????
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SAME PRICE( MSRP of $600) WITH WD GOLD 22TB (AND WD PURPLE PRO) WICH IS TIMES BETTER AS IT HAS 2,5M MTBF (1M RED PRO),550TB/YEAR WORKLOAD(300TB/YEAR RED PRO) , 291MB/SEC MAX SUSTAINED TRANSFER RATE(265MB/SEC RED PRO) AND 1 IN 10E15 UNRECOVERABLE READ ERRORS(1 IN 10E13 RED PRO)
I THINK THAT RED PRO 22TB IS EXTREME OVERPRICED AND SO NO RECOMENDED.
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Blue peter ..? ..never heard of it ..apparently i missed quite a few episodes
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Storage calculations can be fun .. i do ALL startrek , starwars , hogans hero’s , mash +every good movie from the past 40 years
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You are a genius. The music is perfect, sir.
I was wondering how many of those episodes too. Fantastic.
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I’m finding 18 TB drives to be the new sweet spot for lowest TB price. The newer 20tb and 22tb have crazy high per TB costs.
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Fitting music. ????
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That was very fitting…. the first 3:28. So how much would we need to store the whole internet on a disk….
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♥️???????????????????????????????? ???????????????????? ???????????????? ???????????????????????? ????????????????❤️ Alles sehr schön. Aber zuerst zusammen die Nummern 10 und 1. Eine warmthhh.Online Brünette und eine andere Blondine. Es wäre unfairh, wenn ich 4 wählen würde
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If only they made these capacities with their lower noise lines. 45-60 dB is just not tolerable for many use cases that might actually want this storage density in home/office.
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hi, you said that max ram 16gb, could you please try 2x16gb for it to pass the max like synology ds920?
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Dull packaging? Good! I don’t need to be entertained by the box my gear comes in. Entertainment comes after it’s installed. Packaging needs to tell me what’s inside if it’s a spare sitting on the shelf waiting to be used, and protect the stuff inside. That’s it.
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i want to ask something. what kind of hdd should i buy…. seagate or wd? i want 12 – 14TB each drive capacity thanks
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Very informative video! Thank you! Exos are noisy indeed, but as stated by another commenter, it is not an annoying sound, in fact I like it pretty much.
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i dont know if it’s just bad luck but the ONLY hdd to fail on me twice were Seagate. Rest of the HD i use are currently WD. The recent one died a couple days ago literally a few months after the warranty ran out. Is seagate even worth buying still?
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GREAT Review from you AS ALWAYS !!!
Can you tell the Differences Between:
453D-4G to 453D-8G ??
If I buy the 453D-4G and add 4G ram – WILL they be the same
OR
Is there a Different in the OS ROM size or something elss??
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Can you host a wordpress site on the DS220+?
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I has 2 WD hard drives in my life. Both failed. For last 15 years I only buy Seagate (nas, external drives, pc). No issues at all. I am very happy with Seagate
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I was looking for a RAID enabled NAS for a client whose use profile doesn’t include anything high-performance. The client writes (paper) books, needs a centralized and safe storage for what is, in essence, his life’s work and not much else. Client has a pc and a laptop. Client now keeps 3 or 4 versions of his stuff for ‘safety’ reasons: one on laptop, one on pc, on on dropbox and whatever… Obviously this isn’t great policy.
So.. I’m going to get him a synology ds220j NAS with two 2 TB drives in RAID and I’ll advise him to run a second one in another location in case he wants absolute security
he won’t be doing any media stuff at all.
does anyone see anything wrong with that?
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I only buy Seagate drives nowadays because:
– Good website and RMA procedures, easy to find data sheets and check warranty
– Good Linux support, Seagate provides even their graphical tools for Linux
I mean those are basic things that maybe one takes for granted, but surprisingly some of Seagates competition have so bad websites it is hard to even figure out the full product range of drives they offer. And I don’t consider a manufacturer actually supports Linux or Mac, if they expect you to install Windows to do something like upgrading firmware.
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I was curios about the book on your shelf (‘Time sill tell’) and went to Amazon to find it out what is it about…
What was the reason you found it important to include it in the video?
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This unit smashes out 4K dolby vision movies just fine.
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The price is incorrect in GBP, it should be £294.99 I believe.
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Question – If I have an old Synology 212j with two drives in it, can I move them to this unit without having to reformat?
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I’m not sure where you’re finding it for close to £200? Haven’t been able to find it for much less than £300 for quite some time… (July 2022)
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They have a great warranty only wish one should have to use to so often ????
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Regarding Photos, which would be better for viewing photos when sharing on a Android Sony TV?
will 6.2 vs 7 make any difference or is the Moments function really only for Web viewing?
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So if I am searching to build a NAS system primarily for my massive music & music video collection (of over 18+ tb) would it be best to get 5 of the exos 18 tb hard drives to put into my Synology DS1520+ NAS Diskstation?
And then purchase the add on station as needed?
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Any chance of a link to the 4-bay?
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I just wish it had 10Gbe ports. Even the gateway from my ISP now has 5Gbe ports, I guess I could add a switch and link aggregate the two 1Gbe ports but that seems like a huge hassle. Maybe next version?
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I just bought one quite literally yesterday and couldn’t be happier ????
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I picked up one of these on Craigslist a few months back for US$150 with two Seagate 6TB pro NAS drives. It was practically unused and had been factory reset/wiped. When I installed DSM, I got 7.1. Good unit. I have a DS218+ as well (with two 14TB drives in it). Wish I had a use for these, but they’re good to have on hand. I have two big Synology NASes that I do use, and that’s plenty.
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I fear that the upcoming DS2022+(?) won’t have embedded graphics…
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Just got one. For someone new into the NAS space, I think this is just fine to get educated in the NAS space. Excited to use this for content creation!
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❤Only for fans over 18 year⤵️ Alles sehr schön. Aber zuerst zusammen die Nummern 10 und 1. Eine sleepfriendd.Online Brünette und eine andere Blondine. Es wäre unfair, wennm ich 4 wählen würde
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Is there a synology drive with 10gbe, that also allows me to use my drive of choice, and has embedded graphics? Or am I too much in fantasy land?
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Nice review, thank you.
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Can it be upgraded to DSM 7.x?
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Thanks for the video
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I went exos entirely because of price, I found 14tb exos drives brand new for less than barracuda drives
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the value proposition to me from terramaster, is low cost basic option for NAS. As someone else mentioned who bother’s with the vendor provided apps.
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Can you do a noise level test?
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this not support DSM 7? only 6?
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Terabytes… They’re called terabytes
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Date of this video?
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a year later i just bought a 16tb ironwolf pro for $309 on Amazon. Man the prices really dropped luckily.
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Where can you buy this thing mt ds18j not cutting it any more ????
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Having worked on servers before there was such a thing as Enterprise hardware I will always use Enterprise level hard drives, the possibility of lost data is just not worth the cost savings. Nothing is guaranteed but remember it’s not if the hard drive will fail but when.
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I love mine, just wish for the price they would have put a 2.5 gig or 10 gig nic in the smaller models
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Thank you for your videos of HDDs comparison. Very informative!
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Even though I will only run a 4-Bay nas with 4 drives, I’ll still get Exos drives. Yes they’re louder but the 14TB Versions I’m considering are substeantially cheaper. The NAS will really only be an archival system to store my RAW Video files.
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I have the 18TB WD Red Pro. It doesn’t have the OptiNAND and it has 2TB platters but it’s still faster than this 20TB. OptiNAND might not be a good thing in terms of reliability either. You can’t swap a PCB on a HDD when that chip holds all the metadata. And if the chip goes bad it corrupts complete sectors at a time on the HDD. Also what happens to the data on NAND when you have it in poweroff state for years?
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There is still somebody buying something from that liars in WD?
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Two months later and this thing is still impossible to find in North America. You can find the TS-464-4G on Newegg at the moment for $950 which is outrageous and looks like a price gouge from some Taiwanese company.
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Great video, thank you. On the WD shop you can now buy a pair of these for £734.99 – bargain! Some people on hotukdals have managed to get a pair for £561. That’s cheaper per disk than Scan are selling the 10TB! Also, I have an Asustor AS5304T, is there any chance you can test these drives in that NAS? Thanks, Chris.
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Thanks for the video.
On the QNAP, I guess the “Detected Incompatible Disk” message actually mean that the drive was previously used (partitioned) on Synology, obviously in a way the QTS doesn’t recognize. IMO, it has nothing to do with the compatibility list.
This is easy to test: just erase/zero the drive (partial erase would do) in a HDD dock, then try again.
L.E. I’ve actually seen this recently on the QNAP forum, someone attempted to migrate QuTS Hero (ZFS) formatted drives in a QTS (mdadm+EXT4) NAS (problem solved by switching the OS on the NAS to QuTS Hero). It’s a logical incompatibility, not at all what Synology is doing.
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Thanks for the review! Looks like TOS 5 became official June 13th. I currently have an F2-422.
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All is well to those who have money, damned poverty…
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best intro ever, now everyone is interested
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300tb / year workload makes this best in class _by itself_ at both the price point and capacity, not to mention that they didn’t skimp on cache & speed
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69.5k subs *_niice_* **^.~**
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As a guide, I ordered 2 4TB WD Reds for my Terramaster. They refused to work. So I bought Seagate instead. Marvellous.
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I prefer my 20tb Exos. They work like a charm.
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Great review, including some very helpful additional info. Thank you.
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how long does a format will take on this 20TB drive
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Hi is it possible to backup a usb hard drive connected to a Mac to a synology nas drive automatically??
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Thanks for the great content!
When do you think we may see the brand new DS1823+ ? I’ve been holding off in anticipation of this unit… Also, do you think it will have the same restrictions pertaining to compatible drives as the DS2422+ ?
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Got 3 x 16tb WD PRO, nice and cheap the other month £275 each, basically paid for the 6 bay QNAP enclosure.
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Funny Robbie, ya missed on the edit at 21:00, and repeated yourself 3 times … just funny.
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TBH the ridiculous price of “NAS” drives aren’t worth it these days. Just get enterprise instead, which is the better drive anyway. 20 TB Ultrastars is available for around €425. The one to get though is 18 TB variant at around €325.
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From the WD product page we can see the Pro 20TB NAS drive uses CMR recording technology, and is suitable for ZFS or BTRFS error recovery schemes. The price is about $800 USD. What’s notable is these use CMR but the drives are hybrid SMR, but set at the factory in CMR-only mode. So this is great news!
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Strange number of writes for these drives. A raid rebuild with only 300 TB for this drive that’s easy to reach in a server.
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Thank you and my mind is a little wobbly now from the information dump. Well done. Cheers to you and the bloody seagulls, noisy rats with wings, nasty. Cheers!
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And where is the Seagate matching 20TB drive?
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Can we get it in SAS as well?
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£600
Phew!
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Cheers for watching! Just a quick note, I have a much, MUCH deeper video on NAS HDD Compatibility in the works that should be out later this week, featuring Synology, QNAP, Terramaster & Asustor and to what extent this new WD Red Pro 20TB NAS Hard Drive is compatible with them.
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Hi! I LOVE your videos but there is a little desync between the video and your voice which is noticeable. I’m just wondering is it just me? It looks a little bit wired. Still awesome stuff, thank you!
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Good ole classic nascompares review thanks
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Just bought one. Got a 10gbe managed switch where I could set link aggregation for the two 1 gbe ports of the 920+. On my PC luckily I have a 2.5gbe port. No cache, no extra ram but now I get sustained 180MB/s anyways.
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SEAGATE ARE ALL GARBAGE. DO NOT EVER BUY THEM!!! DO NOT EVER TRUST THEM!!!! This guy knows NOTHING if he is pushing Seagate. Ignore me and SUFFER !!!!!
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Great to see. The more competent competition the better. Keep Qnap and Synology on their toes 🙂
Not that this is a “Synology Killer” I certainly hope it wakes them up!
If Synology doesn’t have competitive x22/x23 models before the end of the year they are going to have a notable gap in both their new and returning customer base.
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can i use 18TB HDDs on synology systems?
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Can you PLEASE mount your mic off the desk. Every time you move it sounds like someone hitting a bass drum and adds so much unnecessary noise to your audio.
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Today Qnap had deadbolt notice,
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Thumbnail says F4-422, but it’s about F4-423?
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Nice review, as always! I really wish the microphone was not mechanically coupled to the desk. Every time something is moved on the desk, a nasty rumbling noise distracts me from what you’re actually saying. Never mind if I’m just overly sensitive with the musician/sound engineer part in me and the fact that I’m listening through decent headphones. In either case, thank you for the great job.
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Sorry, but that silver just looks tacky. This is not 1998!
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I suspect that one thing that keeps their costs down and upgrade timeline moving faster is that they don’t have the relatively huge array of apps to update like Synology and QNAP. I have a NAS made by all three of these companies and Terramaster’s app selection is far smaller. But it does have a few really good ones like cloud sync for Google Drive and Onedrive. They are also far simpler and therefore easier to use although there are a few places where you need to guess what to do next when using them. But, overall, for people with more basic needs, the Terramaster will be great and far less painful to setup.
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Was waiting for this review. Looking forward to the software review. Need to max this puppy out and run comparisons.
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Is there a good or better Synology equivalent of download station on this one ?
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Thanks for the vid
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I wonder if this NAS can backup cell phone and laptop ???? ????
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$549 USD in May 2022… Your video convinced me, mate. Cheers!
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So if I got the 5 bay and used 4 of them in raid 5, could I expand the raid 5 to 5 drives later?
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Seagate IronWolf Pro 16 TB ST16000NE000 – 2RW103 . Synology says Hibernation feature is NOT recommended for this drive. What does that mean ?
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excellent
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Al Barracuda drives 2TB or over are SMR, only the 1TB is CMR in the Barracuda family. That’s why I went Barracuda Pro for my HDD 4 years back, all of the Pro versions are CMR.
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Hi, I have been watching a few of your vids as I consider needs for a docu-series I am developing in Bali, Indonesia. First, thank you for the great, concise information you provide – much appreciated! What I am looking at is a remote NAS set-up on a mobile van for production that we can dump SD content shot on Canon C70 cameras immediately after they are filled up and then hopefully have redundancy with that footage sync’d to another NAS server (TV series) back in our edit suite. Does this sound plausible to you and if so, what would you recommend as best QNAP gear for the job? Thanks.
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What is the plural of NAS ? Certainly not what the Auto-Generated subtitles gets…. LOL 14:06 19:07 XD
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Really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put in these videos and blog articles! I’ve been on the fence for a while doubting if I should make the jump to a NAS or DIY media server for Emby. I’ve been following this channel for a while now and stumbled on a lot of thorough articles which eventually formed my decision towards the purchase of my first NAS. Bumped into a bargain today and pulled the trigger, together with a 8TB nas drive. Can’t wait to start setting it up!
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Hi, I saw in QNAP HCL for TS-453A that some HDD (ST8000VN0004 8TB) would require specific trays due to screw holes set up in a different manner. Are the new trays for TS-464 fully compatible with all disks now ?
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If i have an a 2 bay raid enclosure , I want to use it just for raid 1 to back up my video files once/twice a week do i still need the iron wolf or i can just buy the barracuda ?
Great content , learned a lot from you, thanks.
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I bought a higher end Qnap NAS a couple of years ago, eventually got it all set up near enough to what I wanted, had it serving my website & being my data store that I could access remotely. Then all the qnap attacks started. I no longer feel it’s safe to have my NAS open to the net, so I look it off line and battened down the hatches. It’s such a pity, I have a really expensive sledgehammer and I’m using it to knock in tiny tacks now.
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Has this been released yet? If so where can I find it?
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Is that one compatible with the thunderbolt 3 expansion card QXP-T32P?
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Bad an old segate Momentomus thin 320gb 2.5 drive and it was always bottleneck, and then failed
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ATM I’m happy with my ancient ds411j but as the kids grow older I might buy an upgrade. I have 4x2tb in raid-0 in my nas and use “Cloud Station Drive” to backup to an 8tb drive in a pc. Just curious at what I could get if I needed to buy today. Very useful information, thanks!
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???? Seagate vs Reliability is the issue
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When it will be available to buy?
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This is quite a good analysis of the service, thank you! It’s good to know that you can buy it retroactively if it wasn’t a part of the initial purchases of the drives. I have a whole bunch of Ironwolf drives I am considering it for.
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I need a NAS for home use only. Occasional 4K single stream. Is this worthy
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April 19, 2022 – “QNAP urges customers to disable UPnP port forwarding on routers” why doesn’t qnap just fix their stuff to be secure by default… This garbage of pushing security problems onto their customers is not right. Shame too because the hardware looks not bad
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