QNAP TS-464 or the Synology DS923+ NAS Drive – Which Should You Buy?
Let’s face it – this comparison was inevitably going to be one that I was really looking forward to. Over the years, I have compared hundreds of different NAS systems (with Synology and QNAP being two of the most common brands compared) and now we have a better idea of each brand’s respective 2022/2023 product lineup, it was only a matter of time before I compared the new Synology DS923+ and QNAP TS-464 NAS 4-Bays. This hardware level of NAS has all too often been the prosumer and small business entry point into private server ownership (stepping away from subscription cloud services, or otherwise wanting a locally synced bare metal solution to work in tandem) and it is fair to say that the 2022 offers from Synology and QNAP have surpassed (in most ways, but crucially, not ALL – more on that later) the hardware that has arrived at this storage tier before. The QNAP TS-464 NAS was released globally in summer 2022 (the refresh to the TS-453D) and is currently available for around £550-600 with tax ($600-650 in the US and €600-650 in most of Europe) to largely high acclaim. The Synology DS923+ NAS was revealed right at the end of September 2022, with its release date looking increasingly likely to be the end of November/Early December. Both of these are targeting larger the same kind of user, both of them present numerous options for scaling their storage, network connectivity and memory as needed, both have 3 years of warranty that can be upgraded to 5 years and both are complete hardware and software solutions all rolled into a single system! So, both of these are very much flagship system’s of each brand’s desktop NAS lineup – BUT with so many changes to how these companies scale their systems, events in the last two years and choices in development that have changed these new servers significantly from their predecessors, never have these two similarly NAS systems somehow ended up so different! So, thats’ enough rhetoric, let’s get done to business! Which should you choose? The Synology DS923+ NAS or the QNAP TS-464 NAS? Which one deserves your data?
If you want to learn more information on the QNAP TS-464 NAS and Synology DS923+ independently, you can learn more via the links below:
QNAP TS-464 NAS Review – Blog HERE , Video HERE
Synology DS923+ NAS – Everything We Know Article – Blog HERE, Video HERE
Synology DS923+ vs QNAP TS-464 NAS – Design
Alot may have changed over the years with Synology and QNAP, but one thing that has seen little change is each brand’s respective NAS chassis on these systems. Both are using the same casing that has been featured in their prosumer desktop solutions now for around 4-5 years. Both are 4-Bay desktop solutions that are designed to be deployed easily and pretty much anywhere, so the casing needs to be pretty compact, but at the same time make allowances for passive cooling vents and airflow, in conjunction with the rear-mounted active cooling fan(s). They are largely the same in physical volume, with the Synology DS923+ arriving the tiniest pinch larger, but both systems provide a similar level of storage on their four SATA and 2x NVMe M.2 SSD bays. The Synology has the more traditional shape of the lockable storage media bays being immediately visible, but finishes this with an incredibly modernistic shape and matt surface design. The front of the system features a single USB backup port, as well as 5 LEDs for system/drive activity and those two M.2 SSD bays are located on the base of the system. The QNAP TS-464 NAS uses a more glossy and slightly coloured design by comparison (featuring a copper side panel), with the 4 drive bays of the system being covered by a slidable and lockable semi-translucent panel. The QNAP also featured the same LED/USB present, but there are more LEDs on the QNAP and the USB here is both a USB 3.2 Gen 2 Port (10Gb/s) and is accompanied by a one-touch copy button. This is one of the early examples of how things in the NAS market have moved forward in the 2 years between these two being released and won’t be the last. The QNAP TS-464 is certainly the more expensive NAS of the two, with the DS923+ being in the market longer and with a greater degree of price flexibility in 2022, but the hardware you are getting for that price tag is notably different and will become a clear divide between these two. Because of the compact design, both systems need to factor in intelligent cooling, as they will likely be in operation 24×7. This is another clear area where the brands have gone in different directions here.
| QNAP TS-464 NAS
168mm × 170mm × 226 mm |
Synology DS923+ NAS
166 mm x 199 mm x 223 mm |
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The ventilation on the Synology DS923+ is certainly more visible but in a much more ‘branded’ and slick way. The QNAP TS-464 features no front-facing ventilation, instead using two small areas of ventilation on the sides of the chassis and the base of the TS-464 featuring further ventilation under each of the storage bays. The Synology on the other hand has much more passive airflow, with each of the individual storage bays being surrounded by a slit of ventilation and the side panel of the DS923+ having the Synology logo featured as further ventilation. Higher-end Synology desktop models feature metal mesh panels inside these logos to capture dust, but this is less of a concern in the more compact and discreet DS923+. Overall, I would certainly say that the Synology DS923+ have more visible efforts to maintain system temperature than the QNAP TS-464 (which is a real surprise when you see how the hardware these two systems are sporting compares) but both maintain a good operation temperature.
| QNAP TS-464 NAS | Synology DS923+ NAS |
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When you look at the rear of the TS-464 and DS923+ NAS, you see another big difference in how each system maintains their respective internal temperatures, with the QNAP featuring a single 120mm fan that covers the bulk of the internal hardware airflow path and the Synology featuring two 92mm fans that cover around 70% of the rear of the chassis. The newer Synology DS923+ NAS is also the first system in the brand’s 2022 4-Bay history to arrive with an option to scale up the network connectivity with a 10GbE upgrade card (delivered via a proprietary PCIe Gen 3 x 2 module – more on that later) which arrives with its own on-board heatsink for the network controller, so the brand has certainly had to tweak the internal layout a pinch to allow for this additional passive cooling and airflow modification. Whereas QNAP has provided PCIe scalability on this product series at since the TS-453B back in 2018, so their system of vents and cooling remains largely unchanged internally. Of the two, I would say the QNAP TS-464 is the noisier in operation (when populated with 4x 4TB WD Red HDDs) by the tiniest of margins, but it isn’t really till you entertain the idea of enterprise HDDs or drives larger than 10TB that you need to worry about ambient sound around these two systems. Both the DS923+ and TS-464 can have the rotations per minute (RPM) of their fans changed manually or left on automatic as the system changes the internal cooling to ensure maximum efficiency.
| QNAP TS-464 NAS | Synology DS923+ NAS |
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Overall, the design of the Synology DS923+ is still the better-looking system of the two and although I personally really like the copper and glossy look of the QNAP TS-464 NAS, I know that the bulk of users will want to ‘set up and forget’ their NAS, so these aesthetic design choices are less important to them. Equally, although the QNAP fan has the potential to cool its respective system much more, I think the Synology features a better balance of active airflow and passive ventilation overall. The QNAP still wins pretty big on its inclusion of a USB 3.2 Gen 2 One Touch Copy button enabled port for faster and more manual backup options (as well as still allow automated and connection-triggered backups as the Synology), but overall on points, this round belongs to the Synology DS923+ NAS.
QNAP TS-464 versus Synology DS923+ NAS – Internal Hardware
These 4-Bay NAS dives from Synology and QNAP have always arrived as Intel Celeron or Pentium-powered solutions – but in 2022, Synology changed tac and decided to move the DS923+ to an AMD chip. Its predecessor, the DS920+ NAS from 2020, first arrived with a 4 Core Intel Celeron Processor that featured integrated graphics, 4-8GB of DDR4 2666Mhz memory and NVMe SSD upgrade slots. In the two years since its release though, Synology clearly decided to make some big changes in the DS923+ to make it considerably more scalable and general business/file-ops focused. The newer 4-Bay Diskstation features a dual-core AMD R1600 that, although arriving with half the cores of the Celeron in the QNAP TS-464, has more threads, has a higher CPU frequency and can have it’s frequency increased further in turbo/burst when needed. That said, users will be surprised to learn that this CPU also does not feature embedded graphics, so therefore the DS923+ will be less CPU efficient at handling complex multimedia tasks or generally more graphically demanding operations. The double thread count of the Celeron in the QNAP will make a difference certainly, but with the R1600 CPU having a higher power consumption and threads (though more efficient) will not be as effective in operations as having more cores. You can learn more about the main user differences in our video below (in which me and Eddie take to either side of the Emb.Ryzen v Celeron debate) to see their respective strengths and weaknesses.
Though both systems feature 4GB of DDR4 memory, the DS923+ has the much higher pedigree and wins here thanks to its use of much more impressive ECC (error code correction) memory to identify and repair any bit-level write errors (AVOIDING BITROT) and can also be scaled to a considerably higher 32GB of memory (with the QNAP TS-464 NAS maxing out at 16GB). Returning to those M.2 NVMe slots, both system feature 2 bays that can be used for SSD storage upgrades, although both the DS923+ and TS-464 support SSD caching (when a pool of SSDs is used to speed up data write/read in conjunction with the larger HDD RAID array), the QNAP is the only one that also allows this to be used as a standalone storage pool and volumes. This is the first of several key differences between the QNAP TS-464 and Synology DS923+ NAS that show the divide in hardware between these units. Now, if Synology were to allow NVMe SSD usage for raw storage pools and volumes (something of a rumour that is floating around about DSM 7.2 allowing this feature – which I am still looking into at the time of writing), that would be a different story, as the DS923+ is running on PCIe3 lane architecture, with the bays inside the NAS likely being M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x2 or x4 (so 2,000-4,000MB/s bandwidth). But again, this is still a very, very tenuous rumour at this stage and therefore cannot be counted on.
| Model | QNAP TS-464
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Synology DS923+
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| Price | £559 $650 €675
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£TBC $TBC €TBC
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| Storage Media Support | 4x SATA, 2x m.2 NVMe 3×1 | 4x SATA, 2x NVMe SSD Cache Bays |
| CPU Model | Intel N5105/N5095 | AMD Embedded Ryzen R1600 |
| CPU Frequency & Cores | Quad-Core 2.0-2.9Ghz | Dual-Core 2.6-3.1Ghz |
| CPU Benchmark Score | CPU benchmark 4161 | CPU benchmark N/A |
| Memory Default/Max | 4-16GB SODIMM DDR4 | 4-32GB SODIMM ECC DDR4 |
| PSU Power & Design | 90W External PSU | 100W External PSU |
| Physical Fans | 1x 120m FAN | 2x 92m FAN |
The Intel Celeron inside the QNAP TS-464 NAS and its integrated graphics are definitely going to make it more popular with Plex NAS users. Tasks that require more advanced graphical techniques, such as encode, decode, QuickSync-supported tasks, viewing images that can be manipulated in the viewer and running of anything presented in HEVC/H.265 compression are going to benefit from the graphical toolkit present in the N5105 CPU, whereas the R1600 will need to complete these tasks less efficiently, with raw power. Earlier in 2022, we compared the QNAP TS-464 against the Synology DS1522+ NAS (which also runs on the AMD R1600 CPU) on 4K Plex playback. In those tests, the both the Intel N5105 and AMD R1600 were about to playback UHD 4K Media upto 60Mbps bitrate in H.264 equally well, with the embedded graphics on the celeron not presenting any advantage. However, when it came to transcoding and converting HEVC/H.265 media in practice, the R1600 struggled (hitting 100% CPU utilization almost immediately). Now, there are lots of ways to get around the HEVC/H265 barrier. You can:
- Use Media Client Hardware for watching your Plex Server Media that is powerful enough to allow ‘client side’ conversions
- Only Use H.264 Compressed media
- Use a client hardware device that includes an HEVC/H.265 Licence purchase option
However, if you are running your Plex Media streaming to mobile devices (many of which do not allow client-side hardware conversions) or an Amazon Fire Stick (same again), these will rely quite heavily on the NAS doing the heavy lifting in the event of you needing HEV/H265 content modified. So, although BOTH the QNAP TS-464 and Synology DS923+ NAS are going to be good for Plex in native playback, when it comes to media that is going to need some extra horsepower server-side, the QNAP TS-464 NAS has the better internal Hardware. Also, the power use/efficiency of the Intel Celeron in 24×7 use is going to typically be lower in like-for-like use cases (with a TDP rating of 10W on the Celeron vs 25W on the R1600 – but these represent max usage/non-typical). Finally, the Intel Celeron in the QNAP is a 4-core processor, double that of the R1600 at 2-core. 4 Cores means that you can spread those dedicated cores to other processes more effectively and present a larger degree of processing power to those tasks. Now, the DS923+ and it’s AMD R1600 does counter all of these points with some impressive strengths of it’s own. For a start, that much higher base and turbo frequency of 2.6Ghz > 3.1Ghz. This means that you have a much more powerful NAS at your disposal to get most other tasks done and if you are not focused on those graphical areas mentioned earlier that the N5105 favours, the R1600 is going to get most other tasks done quicker and/or have more resources to spread out to more users at once.
Synology DS923+ or QNAP TS-464 NAS – Ports & Connections
Now ports and connections on the Synology DS923+ and QNAP TS-464 NAS is an area that is INCREDIBLY diverse in it’s approach by either brand. Once again, the reasons are clearly to do with that CPU revision being so different in the two years between either system being released, but also the brand’s own decisions in build architecture/priorities still massively continues to be a contributing factor here. The Synology DS923+ NAS certainly comes across as the weaker of the two here in its connectivity and although a lot of the QNAP’s advancements in connectivity could be described as ‘future upgrades and simply facilitating extras or addons’, it still manages to provide a greater deal of connectivity to the day 1 user than the Synology system here. The port(s) that almost certainly will be the one that jumps out immediately on each system is the network connections. The DS923+ NAS arrives with 2x 1GbE ports which, although allowing link aggregation to create 2GbE with a smart switch, was still a little underwhelming even in 2022 (as we had already started seeing 2.5GbE arriving at the same price as 1GbE with a number of client hardware devices). This is not the end of the road though, as Synology have now included the option in their latest 4-Bay to add a 10GbE network upgrade. Yes, the Synology DS923+ arrives with the option to upgrade its network connectivity from 1GbE to 10GbE with the Synology E10G22-T1-MINI adapter (arriving at around £129-139 in price). Now, this might be the main tipping point for many users to immediately opt for the Synology DS923+ over the now-dropping in price DS920+ NAS. With regard to performance, the full saturation of a 10Gb connection on the DS923+ is not going to be easy (maybe with full SSD RAID use, intelligence cache in place all burned in and/or enterprise-level HDDs in place) but even a single modern NAS HDD would be bottlenecked by a single ethernet port on the default DS923+ and only barely accessed fully via LAG/Port-trunking with 2x 1GbE. the option for the DS923+ to add a 10GbE connection in conjunction with that more powerful CPU in clock speed is going to mean some very good throughput is going to be possible (and with ECC memory to keep on top of data integrity in those high-speed writes too). Note – You can find my 10GbE, 4x WD Red Pro 22TB Synology Ryzen R1600 NAS (DS1522+ – same CPU as the DS923+) Tests HERE on the Blog and HERE on YouTube, where we were able to hit 1.15GB/s
It would have been nice if the DS923+ NAS had arrived with 10GbE on board (even if it meant increasing the price a bit, many would feel) or greater than gigabit on those default ethernet ports, but at least there is some added scalability in this new release. Now. the new QNAP TS-464 features 2x 2.5GbE (so 5GbE via link aggregation and a supported switch) in it’s default model, which now that some ISPs and budget switch manufacturers are providing affordable 2.5GbE solutions, will be incredibly useful. Much like the new Synology DS923+, there is also the additional PCIe upgrade slot on the QNAP NAS that allows upgrades towards 10GbE via a traditional PCIe card, dual-port 10GbE cards and even combo cards to add 10G and further M.2 NVMe bays via a single card. Again, there ARE upgrades and not something in the baseline model, but you can not argue with the more flexible future-proofing available here, as well as the larger bandwidth network connectivity on day 1. Perhaps Synology will roll out further network adapters that are compatible with the DS923+ network upgrade slot (2.5GbE, 5GbE or SFP+ alternatives), but at the time of writing, it’s 10GbE or 1GbE on this system only.
| Model | QNAP TS-464
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| Network Ports | 2x 2.5GbE | 2x 1GbE |
| USB 3.2 Ports | 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gb) | 2x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gb) |
| USB 2.0 Ports | 2x USB 2.0 | 1x eSATA Expansion Port |
| HDMI Ports | 1x HDMI 2.0 4K 60FPS | n/a |
| PCIe Upgrade Slots | PCIe Gen 3×2 Slot (2Gb/s) | PCIe Gen 3×2 Slot (2Gb/s – Proprieatary Design for E10G22-T1-mini) |
After the network and PCIe differences that favour the TS-464, the distance between these two 2022 NAS here is further extended by the rest of the available connectivity. The Synology DS923+ features a further USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gb/s) port and an eSATA expansion port that allows you to add an additional 5 Bays of storage by utilizing the DX517 official expansion. QNAP counters this on the TS-464 with the inclusion of another USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gb/s) port, as well as some (obviously less useful) USB 2.0 ports. These USB 2.0 Ports are primarily designed to be used in conjunction with the optional visual output (HDMI 2.0 4k 60FPS) on the QNAP as a KVM (Keyboard, video and mouse) setup with the included parallel HD Station application and its tool. The HDMI and direct interface of the QNAP is still pretty niche as a service on this system, but it has a number of useful multimedia, surveillance and VM utilities that can be quite impressive. Expansions on the TS-464 are more diverse than the 5-Bay DX517 on the DS923+, with QNAP offering 2, 4, 6, 8 and 12-Bay expansion chassis (arriving in JBOD or hardware RAID enabled) that connect over USB or an inclusive PCIe card. Overall, it comes as no surprise that in terms of hardware, the QNAP TS-464 still takes the first place, as the Synology DS923+ (like most of the brand’s solutions) prioritizes the DSM platform and it’s tools/services over the hardware. Let’s discuss the software on each of these brands.
QNAP TS-464 or the Synology DS923+ NAS – Software
When you are choosing to buy a Synology or QNAP NAS, it is always worth bearing in mind that you are not just buying a bunch of hardware, but you are actually getting a fully-featured software solution. Both the Synology DS923+ and QNAP TS-464 arrive with each brand’s premium NAS software and services platform, DSM and QTS respectively. Both of these platforms include a traditional operating system level of accessibility and control, that can be accessed via pretty much any web browser or desktop OS, as well as numerous tailored mobile client applications. The Synology DSM platform is a lot more comparable in design and control with Mac OSX and is by far the more user-friendly option of the two. The QNAP QTS platform is a lot more comparable to Android in its initial GUI and then more like Windows in it’s navigation, arriving as the option with a greater deal of configuration and control, but with a steeper learning curve. Another big difference between QTS and DSM is how they present their services, with QNAP providing a larger degree of support of 3rd party applications (both in the app center and in the configuration of their own range of 1st party applications. Synology DSM on the other hand proves a larger and more impressive range of fist party tools that are designed to replace/improve upon the 3rd party tools you might be using, with many of it’s applications being comparable to top tier 3rd party paid tools in the market (the Synology collaboration suite, the Surveillance Station application and pretty much everything in Synology Drive, just as a start). The QNAP platform also, in it’s efforts to be as widely compatible and configurable as possible, occasionally stems into over-complexity and risks the user tripping over itself as it tries to manage the larger scale of configuration Whereas, although the Synology DSM platform may seem a pinch more closed and fixed, it manages to prevent the users from accidentally ruining their own storage system. Here is a full breakdown of the key applications that are included with the QNAP TS-464 and Synology DS923+, broken down into categories:
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| Browser Support | Supports all Browsers | Supports all Browsers |
| Browser File Management | Browser File Management | |
| Photo/Music/Video Tools | Photo/Music/Video Tools | |
| Multimedia Console | Synology Drive | |
| AI Photo Recognition | AI Photo Recognition | |
| Edge m.2 Coral TPU Support | ||
| Storage Services | ||
| SED Drive Support | SED Drive Support | |
| QTier | Synology Hybrid RAID | |
| Hybrid Mount | Hybrid Share | |
| ISCSI Target/LUN | ISCSI Target/LUN | |
| vJBOD | ||
| Snapshots | Snapshots | |
| SSD Cache (Read/Write/Both) | SSD Cache (Read/Write/Both) | |
| Cloud Sync / QSync | Cloud Sync | |
| Ex-FAT is Free | Fast RAID Rebuild | |
| RAID Resync control | RAID Resync control | |
| Secure Erase | Acrtive Backup Suite | |
| Lots of Expansions (TR/TL) | Hyper Backup | |
| HBS 3 | Synology CMS | |
| Qfiling and Qsirch | ||
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| QVR Pro – 8 Camera Licenses (+USB Camera Support) | Surveillance Station – 2 Camera Licenses | |
| Virtualization Station | Virtual Machine Manager | |
| Ubuntu Linux Station 18/20 | Docker Support | |
| Container Station | Active Backup 365 & Workspace | |
| Hypervisor Protector | Synology Office, Chat, Calendar | |
| QMailAgent | Synology Mail / MailPlus | |
| HD Station | Synology C2 and Services | |
| BoXafe | ||
| Security Councillor | Security Councillor | |
| Malware Remover | Synology VPN Plus | |
| McAfee Anti-Virus Scanning | Log and Notification Center | |
| QVPN | Auto Blocking on SSH, Telnet etc | |
| Log and Notification Center | 256 bit Encryption | |
| Auto Blocking on SSH, Telnet etc | 2 Step Authentication | |
| 256 bit Encryption | Firewall App | |
| 2 Step Authentication | Access Protection and Allow/Deny list | |
| Firewall App | Synology Secure SignIn | |
| Access Protection and Allow/Deny list | Synology C2 Password |
As you can see, both NAS brands provide similar levels of software, services and features, but they are presented in very different ways. Once again, I cannot emphasise enough how much more the QNAP platform is configurable but ALSO how it can often give you too much configuration and risk overwhelming less experienced users. The Synology DSM platform, for all its comparative rigidicy, is still overall the better software experience and you definitely see that Software over hardware priority from the brand clearly here. I have made long, LONG reviews on each of the NAS brand’s and their software platforms, which you can watch below for much, much more information on their respective strengths and weaknesses.
| QNAP QTS 5.0 Review | Synology DSM 7 Review |
Ultimately, it will come as no surprise that Synology comes out on top in terms of software compared with the QNAP. That is not to say that the QNAP QTS platform is not good, it really, really is and some of the applications that are included for home and business users are often genuinely impressive, unique and provide facilities to the end-user that are wholly unavailable on any other NAS platform (eg Multimedia Console as a single portal media manager, the 2-3 Click VM storages and repository that are available in Virtualization Station, Linux Station and Container Staton or the QuMagie AI-powered tool that is able to cover a greater range of subjects and categories that any other NAS photo tool out there). However, the QNAP QTS platform is not quite as polished, as user-friendly and as responsive as the Synology DSM platform overall. If you want a better idea how these two NAS software platforms compare directly (i.e face to face), then you can check out my Synology DSM vs QNAP QTS videos Playlist here on the YouTube channel.
QNAP TS-464 or the Synology DS923+ NAS – Conclusion
After all these years of comparing Synology and QNAP, rarely have I seen these two brands produce such wildly different solutions at the same hardware/end-user level. The Synology DS923+ NAS has changed it’s gears since previous releases (DS916+, DS918+, DS920+, etc) towards something more business’y and although it still supports a myriad of home and prosumer-applications (some arguably better than the Celeron based predecessor), the hardware architecture that it runs on is much better suited to general file processed and throughput/latency prioritized services overall. Inclusions such as ECC memory and the dividing line that the 1GbE vs 10GbE optional upgrade only further highlight that the DS923+ is clearly trying to keep a foot in both home and business camps, but certainly leaning a little more into the latter. The QNAP TS-464 NAS on the other hand clearly has stuck to the formula that benefited its own series history (TS-453A, TS-453B and TS-453D), providing a solution that gives you a whole bunch of hardware scalability in ALOT of directions (as well as giving you a more diverse day 1 default hardware, which allows the end user to adapt the system to their needs noticeably more. Synology of course counters this with DSM, the better software platform in 2022/2023 (with promised innovations in the DSM 7.2 update that double down on the range of services it provides) which is significantly more user-friendly, responsive, polished and responsive (if occasionally less flexible). QNAP and QTS have made huge improvements in 2022, adding a wide variety of services that are unavailable on any other platform to the same level of features/3rd party integration (such as Hybrid Mount supporting 3rd party cloud, vJBOD, much more accessible AI services in photos and Surveillance using native hardware and Google TPUs, broader VM support in Virtualization Station, Linux Station and Container Station – the list goes on). But with that amount of customization and broad support, comes the fact that QNAP QTS does not feel as polished at DSM, feels like it is doing 20 things moderately well, instead of 5 things perfectly and then there are events like them being targetted by ransomware in 2022 (which has since been patched out, that they’re not alone in being targets – but they are still having to continue since this and win back some trust). Ultimately, despite covering Synology vs QNAP on this blog for years now, Synology still continues to be THE brand for NAS software and 1-brand ecosystem, whereas QNAP continues to be THE brand for hardware, customization and adaptability. BOTH the Synology DS923+ and QNAP TS-464 are excellent hardware+softwarre solutions, but it’s still a 60/40 ratio – with either brand choosing a side!
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Reasons to Buy it? Much more user-friendly Synology Hybrid RAID for flexibility Overall Better 1st Party Software ECC Memory Much EASIER 10GbE Upgrade First Party Accessories (HDD, SSD, Memory, etc) Available |
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I need ecc for zfs. Done.
Plus, I want the power. I can stick a little cheap GPU in of needed and it’d be way more powerful.
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This video could have been better if it didn’t focus so much on your personal preferences. Even though you mentioned several times that it would be up to the user to decide, you constantly propped up Synology and made excuses for it while over-criticizing QNAP’s extensive options. Let the specs and design speak for themselves without so much opinion and bias. This approach would be more effective if the goal is to let the user decide what works best for them.
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I have a DS918+ for years and couldn’t be happier and more satisfied.
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You got a NAS for sale lol.
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Hi am also strugeling to decide witch one to buy. I want my NAS for Storage Bakup Virtualization and Docker. I want an all in one solution. I love the DSM enviroment and wanted to ask if Virtuall machines are running good on the 923+. I want also to equip with 2X WD Red SA500 NAS SATA SSD 4TB and wantet to ask if it is possible
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Im getting ready to buy a qnap. Synology restricting their drives and being so propitiatory about everything kills it for me. Currently running Truesnas on an old pc and I think Im a little bit in over my head and would like a more user friendly machine. Im not worried about their past ransomware attack (Im sure they will fix things.. its happens) . Everything you have should be backed up in a second location and never put anything with sensitive info on something attached to the internet anyway. Encrypt a couple thumb-drives with veracrypt for all your log-ins, passwords, crypto seed phrases..etc BTW.. I love your channel. TY for all the great info.
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Im getting ready to buy a qnap. Synology restricting their drives and being so propitiatory about everything kills it for me. Currently running Truesnas on an old pc and I think Im a little bit in over my head and would like a more user friendly machine. Im not worried about their past ransomware attack (Im sure they will fix things.. its happens) . Everything you have should be backed up in a second location and never put anything with sensitive info on something attached to the internet anyway. Encrypt a couple thumb-drives with veracrypt for all your log-ins, passwords, crypto seed phrases..etc BTW.. I love your channel. TY for all the great info.
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which one would be better for low-power container/hosting? I have synology low-grate nas, managed to set up git on it, but I am wondering if there is any beefier one I could squeeze a docker container or two? 😀
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I picked this up after watching this video a year ago and it’s been an awesome solution for my media needs. I acttually attached the TR-004 and it’s been a great flexible solution for all my needs.
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Best NAS for photographers
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WARNING: If you are thinking about buying a QNAP. The built in Download Station on the QNAP does NOT support auto extract of completetd torrents as you are used to on the Synology Download station. Extracting your files on the QNAP is a real hazzle compared to the Synology. So if that is important for you, then DON’T BUY THE QNAP.
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qnap sucks, the qts is the worst piece of software ever produced. It’s confusing, it’s redudant, not intuitive, slow, extremely slow compared to dsm on similar hardware. Qnap notification system it’s incomprehensible, each app and function on QNAP is full of wizards that try to simplify (without success) what is already simple and immediately clear on synology. The connection to cloud services for remote connection it’s a shit on qnap, estremely slow and buggy. Backup application on QNAP seems 100 years behind ActiveBackup for Business that’s free and one of the best backup app in the world
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Lacking good cpu is shameless. Just a few dollars more.
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Multiple questions for you:
1) What is faster to use? 10 gbit connection or the USB connection? Is there any difference (usb vs ethernet) if I use spinning hard drives?
2) Is there any point of using the SSD chache for photoediting, when most of the time Lightroom dont interact with original files very often. Or will it speed up transfer/writrs to the NAS too? Not just reads?
3) Can you use wifi-expansion cards with either of these?
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Great video, agreed with your conclusions! However, Synology is basically pricing itself out of the market with accepting none other it’s own heavily overprices hdd’s en ssd’s, which are all Toshiba’s with a slight overhaul. So no, not gonna get that.
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Hi!
Please, I really do not understand why people are bothering about transcodeing on DS923+. I really do not understand?
I have it on DS923+ and everything is running great. Plex server, DS 923+, is doing transcodeing only for computers, mobile phone, etc. that doest not support 4K and than Plex server, DS 923 + have to make it for them.
Today and for in past of 10 years most of all technicial devices have that support.
Is there something more that I do not know?
As I said my DS923+ is running all movies and shows without any problem.
Just one thing that I done is that I put OPENVPN on my mobile phone and it runs everything much quicker.
Is there something that I’m missing?
Thanks in advance.
Elvir
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Can I say that I am already looking forward to their x25/x26 portfolio? I mean, sooner or later they must come up with a new NAS that is actually new
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I was looking for a Plex media streaming NAS and found your website and then channel and I just wanted to say that you’ve been incredibly helpful and informative! Thank you! I really appreciate the detail you go into and it has really helped to inform my decision.
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Qnap licensing are going to be their killer. They should at least make it free for home use.
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This is the whole Appls VS Microsoft thing again. Great design and software with amazing features from Synology, but the hardware is WTF. QNAP has good hwardware, but the software is inferior.
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I don’t understand why you would not want to optimise your CPU performance with SMT. It’s basically just saying you’re happy to have your CPU sitting idle instead of working, for a slight improvement on task completion times.
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Just bought TS-464-8. Note that RAM is not expandable in 8GB model
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I have a 916+ and heard about some issues with snology and older NAS support….ca you elaborate on this. I am not an expert, and just want a plug n play solution without dealing with licensing issues, and just works till it craps out. or am i asking too much in todays “you will own nothing” mentality
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If I store 1440p or 4K video on a DS1823xs+, is it possible to view or preview the videos on the NAS?
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I absolutely hate this video! I was going to buy a DS923+ and because of this video I am now undecided. I’m already running a DS918+ now so I can’t decide to stick with what I’m familiar with or want to learn something new. Actually a good video, just putting too many options in my basket. I’m getting too indecisive in my old age.
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Great video! I fully agree that the 923+ has grown on me as well, but I still feel the same about the company. QNAP in general seems to be catching up quicker in software than Synology is catching up in hardware. @Nascompares would you please post a video on the TS-453e? To me the 453e has really grown on me, the faster m2’s and being perfect with multichannel, it really checks all the boxes. To me it is the 453e or a full intel QNAP offering.
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Thank you
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Another problem with the 10gbe card, no wol support. You have to muck around with using the 1gbe port for wol support, but with a non existent IP.
That’s another cockup.
Synology are off my list, after 15 years.
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You are great, i only wish I was into NAS enough to maintain my interest apart from when I’m looking to buy a new nas !
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Please giveaway 1 NAS for me. ????. Very good work Sir.
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A video request/ idea
Low profile GPUs for nas with no IGPU like the Ryzen NAS’ – what is availiable from the 10xx, 20xx and 30xx series – and what do they really provide in terms of concurrent streams/ encode.
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464 has been a dream. I have ssds, nvme drive and an nvme cache, just random drives. I also found out about two other app stores for qnap. Yeah most of us could buy the parts for a diy nas, but every once in a while you just want shit to work without you having to pop the hood and get your hands dirty. Synology is going the apple route, and you can’t trust if my random drives will work after the next synology update.
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This is an easy choice to make . its the TS-464 or in my case the TS-664 running Truesnas . This is one badass setup and the ZFS snapshot and Truenas performance are phenomenal.
What amazes me is I’m able to consolidate 3 PC servers running VMware onto this single system. Now I just need to get another TS-664 so I can do ZFS replications.
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I have a DS418 and wanted to upgrade. I was looking at the 923+ but went with a 920+ because of integrated graphics/Plex. Great video!!
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…….THANK YOU! ……is this the newest version, or is there a update for this device? ……would you still buy it, or are there better alternatives? ….i want to use 2xM2ssd’s as HomeCloud Storage and i want to insert 2xHDDs (Exos X16 with 14GB) as long term storage. Ist it possible to use the Cloud Storage while the HDDs go to sleep???? …because this is not possible with the Synology 923+
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……HELLO! Is it possible, to buy a DS923+ (DS723+) or better a TS-464 (TS-264), and make my own Web-Hosting. So i just buy some URLs for my WebSites and do the whole hosting incl. JavaScript Applications and HTML Sites including pictures etc. etc. on my NAS? …….but also security issues should be automatically made thrue the NAS. Who has the better options and Software then > QNAP or SYNOLOGY? Which is more secure?
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……..THANK YOU SO MUCH! …………So, is it also possible to use the 2xSSDs in the “QNAP Turbo Station TS-464” (or also in the TS-264) as HomeCloud-Storage …because, so far i know – the 2 caching M.2-SSDs in the DS923+ (or DS723+) is only for caching and not for storage! …………..But, is it also possible – if i use the two M2ssds as storage for my home cloud …that the 2 HDDs go to sleep , even if i want to work on the M2.ssds????? Becuause Synology said to me , with their DS923+ i could built in 2HDDs (A,B Slot as raid 1) and 2SSDs (C,D Slot as raid1) …but even if i only work on the 2SSDs , the system cant bring the 2HDDs to sleep , because there is software installed which is used of their system!
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Im a semi professional photographer and im tired of my external ssd Solution. My internetspeed at home is pretty slow (50mb).
Im Interested in editing in lightroom from the nas.
Sometimes videoplayback (4K from my drone/camera). Im struggeling between the qnap since it has video support or the synology ds923+
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Hey need help. I bought the 464 with 8GB. Wanted to install another 8GB of memory. I don’t see the slot for additional memory. I’ve installed thec2 NVME. But nit seeing memory slots. Thx
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Great video! I really appreciate the effort you’ve done not only with this video but in general with channel and the blog!
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Thank you. Giving me a lot to think about in making my decision.
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I’ve watched so many video’s and read some many posts about what Nas this past month and I think I’m finally settled on getting the Ts-464.
Thanks for all your hard work and great content put out!
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This really helped me! I will now buy the QNAP.
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That lack of transcoding for the 1522+ is just such a retrograde step… Ideally I’d stick with synology as it’s a pain in the backside to swap systems and synology have made transitioning to new servers very easy within its own ecosystem. But for a home storage and media server, I’m not sure the 1522+ will be enough without the transcoding.
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I have an older Netgear rn314 . It’s still doing good. But have thought about upgrading. I will say it is pretty quite, it’s in my bedroom, I dnt hear it unless I access it .
I want something with nvme caching. But still quite. Maybe something with better software/OS? I really just back up files on a few local PCs, and want to share media files with a few friends/family remotely. Never needed to have a nas transcode, but maybe could in the future? Im not missing out on a feature I’ve never used basically, but maybe would use it if I had it.
From your videos I’m leaning on the qnap, I’ve always been a hardware person. But also wonder if nas fans can be easily replaced with noctuas.
4 to 5 bay. Synology or qnap maybe? How do those OSs compare to my old Netgear OS6? I’m guessing much better?
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Why can’t Synology get with the embedded graphics program! If QNAP interface and software was more user friendly. Synology would really have problems.
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Hey guys – really good video. I really researched this topic a lot and decided against the 923+ or 723+ due to dual core and no embedded graphics. I will tell you though, the the 1500B Ryzen in the RS1221+ is a beast. It is by far the fastest NAS I have. My RS422+ has the Ryzen 1600 in it and I’m not super impressed. Most home users are not going to benefit from 10GBE yet because everything else in the house runs 1GBE or less. I’m sticking with the DS920+, DS720+, and RS1221+ for now and skipping the 23+ series. I think Synology really let us down on this one. Also, the hard drive selection on these from the QVL is getting stupid for something that crosses between home and business NAS for the home user who wants more power.
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I just purchased a 723+ and a pair of 12TB drives. Did I make a mistake? What would you purchase instead, staying in the Synology family, DSM is the requirement. I am not going to use Plex ever, It will be mostly used for personal cloud and Synology Photos for local management of my family’s photos’ and videos.
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Thank you! Getting one today.
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Just upgraded from a DS1812+ recently and ended up with DS920+ instead of the 923+ purely because Synology opted to use an iGP-less chip for the new generation. There are ryzen embedded chips with igp. So disappointed with Synology for cutting out the igp in their new prosumer models.
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Does the DS920+ support these 22TB drives as well?
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At 16:43 you mention HDMI 2.0, it’s 2.1 according to the spec sheet.
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@NASCompares I gotta say Robbie, most of the time you are spot on, but to state that Synology is “closing the hardware gap” has to be the biggest headscratcher for me anyways. Synology is investing very little in hardware and the gap is becoming the grand canyon. gen 1 usb, 1gbe, hardware limits, etc… If you want want many competitors give you as standard you are paying double or triple… rubbish if you ask me…
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I totally make up my mind to buy TS-464, then find out the 10gbs on the 923+ is 30-40% quicker than the TS-464.
If we add 2 NVMe on both unit. Qtier on Qnap, cache for Synology. Is the 10gb speed test still the same?
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Looking at the QNAP site for the TS464, it says to use QNAP memory. Is that a “must” of just the standard line adn in fact you can put any branded memory in? I can see you cen get 8gb of Crucial SODIMM DDR4 3200mhz for £21 a stick which seems like a bargain if it would wokr in this
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I’m in the market to replace my NAS and a couple things about Synology that are stopping me from even considering it: 1. No 2×2.5GbE and 2. No Intel CPU. As much “phone home” snooping as Synology has you would think that they would know that a lot of people are using H.265.
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QNap had some issues getting hacked a few months ago. Would you still recommend this product?
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I hope that the people at Synology read these comments and realize that they screwed up the design. I can only hope that there will be an Intel version released later next year. They could call it the DS923++, or the DS923.5+ , or the DS924+, or the DS923+2.5Gbe, or DS923+V2.
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I’ll stick with my DS920+. The DS923+ looks like a downgrade for graphics and a sideways step for everything else. When Synology comes out with a 4 bay with 2.5Gbe ( and go back to Intel ) then I’ll probably upgrade.
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Brillant Review .. Thanks aLot
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Thanks for this! Want a new NAS and been convinced QNAP 464 is it!
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I was looking at your other video as well comparing against the DS920+. Mind you this is after me having already purchased thr TS-464-4G. Reason? It was literally cheaper. Not even same price but actually lower price for the TS-464. It was a no brainer to go for the Qnap here. Was looking mostly at the 720+ previously but I’m not one to buy something and upgrade in 2 years. I want this for at least 10 years and preferably more.
Did see some talks about the DS923+ as well but the AMD processor seemed lesser in this case. It might be a stronger unit but I don’t know if I will want an APU or not for future cases and having one is better than not. Thanks for the comparisons. I’m gonna have a good look at HDDs now and see what I should go for.
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I just bought the TS-464 for a small business and want to run Virtualization Station. The NAS came with 4GB of RAM (ADATA ADS2666J4G19-BSSZ). What would the compatible Crucial RAM be to bump up the memory?
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Hello everyone!????
I want to order DS1821+ and 4 exos x18 18tb drives (ST18000NM000J) and on my suprise they are not on compatibility list…
Will that work?
Will I have red, orange or green warning?
Thank you for every answer. ❤
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What about Plex? The new ryzen chips in Synology can’t deal with plex. How about QNAP?
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so Asustor Lockerstor Gen 2 has the better hardware. If they polish their OS and Apps it will make it the best NAS
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Will there ever be another intel based slim Synology DS? I am getting pretty demotivated on staying with Synology on this. It has been 3, almost 4 years. I wish QNAP made a comparable product.
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After 9 beautiful and worry-free years of using DS414 there is no chance I would ever switch to QNAP OS mess as it is now. Just ordered DS923+ with 10GBe card. All I need is fast direct ethernet connection between pc and nas for backup and file server usage and 2x1gbe aggregation to connect to the router. As for PLEX, I just couldn’t care less. My TV supports apps for all streaming services I need and can play hevc from external drive.
@Robbie
You said you tested DS1522+ with four (or five) red pro drives and saturated 10GBe. These drives are not on the compatibility list. Did you get unverified orange message? Thank you.
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I have that 5Gbe adapter. It’s really good, doesn’t get too hot and saturates a USB 3.0 proper
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since when is ECC more expensive than non-ecc?
usually the modules are plenty of throw-away on ebay from used systems..
hmm, qnap/intel said also on 453D that the memory was at max of 8GB and we are running 32GB right now in this second o_O
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I would love to see these two systems running Plex side by side, each attached to a decent quality TV so that we might be able to see just how much difference there is. ( Or as much as Youtube and our computer monitors might show.) I’m not a big enough movie aficionado to care as much as most users but I’d really like to see them in action.
For the fence sitters, buy one of each. Remember, one NAS is not a backup. I have a Synology and a QNAP and have learned a lot from having both. QNAP was my first NAS but is now just a backup for my Synology. If I could only have one, it would be the Synology though.
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Thanks to the HOW you structure your reviews, you helped me decide on a lot of questions in a short time! You are a genius! I love your reviews and really appreciate your efforts. THANK YOU!
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Great compare video! I went with the QNAP TS-453E. Extremely happy with it, as it does just so much. I prefer the case of the QNAP it has a small footprint that fits my shelf perfectly, I prefer the case of the 464 overall. The 453 was created to be a buy and enjoy device and it succeeds very well in it, it is a value leader imho for what you pay for and what you get. I have mine running multiple containers and many applications and not even using 1/3 the memory so I can’t see ever running out of memory, even after I turn on surveillance. Clearly the 464 was designed to upgrade memory and pcie card for that market. Upgraded the entire network to 2.5gbe and very happy with the speed, it is noticeable. QTS with QNAPClub offers a lot of neat applications. In my research I found QNAP to offer the most options and features, like a swiss army knife. Certainly Synology is polished with the OS, but considering the high price you are paying for a lower cpu in AMD’s lineup, no pcie, 1gbe, I find that I would go with Asustor or Terramaster if I wanted a just a file server (they are cheaper and offer more hardware) for Prosumer, QNAP offers the most all around. DSM is slick, but I don’t see much value in it comparatively, it just doesn’t do enough.
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one more thing, your verdicts are not that greate.
1. You are telling on each video really each video the following.
if you are a noob, not techy guy go for the Synology.
If you are a techguru, techboy go for the QNAP.
This is not the real verdict. because you can say that always.
therefore people will not know from all your comparisons all of them what to choose.
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550€ are you a joke to me? the ds920+ is selling here about 550€
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This is one of the best channel on the tube…. Im been a Synology user for a long time…. But Wow that TS-453E looks sweet… I dont like the way Synology are going prioritize 1st party hardware and software services…
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Wow very good nice. I’m a big fan of you＋????????
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I use Plex with no transcoding, ad my Smart tv decode the movies (4K hdr10). So there is no need of igpu?
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Do you know if DSM 7.2 supports thin volumes?
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*Note* This video was made on Tuesday 8th November, before the official publication of the DS923+ Release date (16/11/22). Additionally, it does NOT take into account that the DS923+ official product pages have detailed that Synology is planning on enabling M.2 NVMe SSD Storage Pools as a feature in the future of the DS923+ Software Updates. Find out more on this HERE – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz-zgd-uYE0
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*Update, Synology DSM has been updated to DSM 7.1. So, check out my MASSIVE Synology DSM 7.1 Software Review HERE – https://youtu.be/SqFa0WyxGJc *
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Hello to all! Thank you for the great videos. Im still thinking of my next NAS and so far im between exact those two models. Im photographer and videographer. Is the integrated videocard a must for opening files directly from the Nas while working on my Mac or videocard like in 464 qnap is a must?
Thank you
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*
IMPORTANT* – The Synology DS923+ NAS Review is now LIVE! Find it here https://nascompares.com/2022/11/16/synology-ds923-nas-review/
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The Synology DS923+ NAS Review is now LIVE! Find it here – https://nascompares.com/2022/11/16/synology-ds923-nas-review/
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The wait continues to replace my DS918+. Come on Synology, better spec pls
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They could have easily added a V1605B that has iGPU and 10Gbe port for $50 extra. Its absurd. Synology cripples their products for extra margin.
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No Hardware Transcoding, no buy.
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Synology is completely ridiculous. Trash Hardware!
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Will the TS-464 support a 1TB WD-850SN…thinking of adding 2 for cache
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Great video. Will there be a DS423+ model?
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Thanks for your videos. They helped me a lot in making an informed decision. I have been patiently waiting for Synology’s next product line these last two years because my DS212+ is getting old and is starting to fail. I liked my synology experience so far, so I waited to see what the 922/3+ would bring – or to be more price in retrospect does not bring. I wanted something that will hold me over for another 10 years and a use case that mainly involves Plex and maybe some tinkering with home assistant and stuff. So I had no choice but QNAP, even though they made the news with headlines that were a bit worrying these last few years. It’s not only the hardware with measly 1Gb ports, a dual core CPU, and lack of integrated graphics – although that’s an important part of it – but it’s also that apple-like business model where they artificially limit your options and try to push you towards and milk you with their own expensive products that really irks me.
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Why didn’t they put in the AMD R1606G…has graphics.
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I’m sorry but this videos is just misinformed. The integrated graphics are not used for transcoding. There are dedicated chips for this purpose. The memory is a huge boon and the base model wattage is 15 not 25. They could have stuck with Celeron but the amd isn’t bad and was specifically created for embedded unlike the celeron.
I think it’s a smart move
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Which is better for surveillance recording in h265?
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Do you still have warning on the synology when you use western digital drive ?
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Need Help!
My turn finally to buy a NAS and money isn’t an issue.
I edit 4k multi cam vids all day long and need to work off a NAS that has caching etc. I will need raid to back up work just in case of storage failures. My vid and clips and data are at the moment at around 15T so want a system that can handle that, back it up, and extract the data whenever I need with fast speed.
Again I want the best, something that will last years and not something that will be outdated any time soon.
Speed is the key for me though.
Thanks
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Changed from. 1817+ to 1821+ resulted into 3.5gbit to nearly 7gbit performance of a single 10gbe copy from my pc
Same Intel card, same hdds… Just the Nas changed.. Thanks ryzen…
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*Intel Celeron J4125* : _Release Date Q4 2019,_ 4-Core CPU with Integrated Graphics (Synology 2020 NASes)
*AMD R1600* : _Release Date Q2 2019,_ 2-Core CPU with no Integrated Graphics (Synology 2023 NASes) Progress ? ????????????
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Where is the surveillance performance test?
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It would be great to have sfp+ as an option, or better, a full-size PCI expansion slot
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Bye bye synology.
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Does the qnap also have the same issue with HEVC files as Synology has? Where you have to do some stuff with drivers to make them play well? If so, how? And can you give resources to it, name of a vid or even make a new vid would be immensely helpful
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Of course you can still buy the DS920+ as your first NAS. You are by no means bound to buy the newest model(s) of either Synology or QNAP.
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Only want Photosync and Backup and some VM two Play like Document Management …what would you preferences?
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Am i the only one who thinks this video doesn’t need to be this long, i mean come on 33 minutes? You really talk too much!
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i’ve watched your other vidoes of 4k comparasions but these NAS are not able to play HIGH BITRATE 4k content. So if the intel CPU is powefull enough then what is creating the bottleneck? because streaming is mostly IO bound process (as contracy to cpu bound process which requite more processing power) so processorer can’t be bottleneck. what are everyone thought on this?
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Is it worth buying DS 716+II in 2022 if you are getting a good deal?
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I’d say Synology has the advantage of DSM being very user friendly and reliable,
for any more special or performance-demanding use cases, it’s more reasonable to either build custom TrueNas system, Proxmox hypervisor based virtual environment, or simply use some efficient computer with Windows Server system eventually
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After a month with the TS-664, I don’t regret my purchase at all, especially after reading about the DS923+ and its lack of embedded GPU and native 2.5Gbe ports, among other things. My NAS is used for more than just business-oriented purposes and QNAP fit the bill in this regard. Not too worried about the security angle with shored up network/router defenses and only connect to it through MyQNAPCloud, plus having 3 backups of my files at all times helps alleviate any concerns. I do wish it had ECC memory, but it’s hard to find a NAS with both ECC and embedded GPU, which I’d rather have the latter. (Would have went for the TVS-h674 if ECC was on it.)
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Mr. NASCompares, Just out of curiosity, what brand of NAS do you prefer as your primary storage?
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I’m torn on getting the QNAP TS-464 or the TS-453. Any advise would be appreciated. Using it for Plex, Docker. Thank you in advance.
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Thks & the main question I have is; ?Is it’s practical to do none-realtime/offline transcoding into all the formats/resolutions you probably want (ex: over night)?
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Hey! I have that same shirt
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I’m actually looking for a new Nas (ds214+ now) just for storage and to use the Photos/qumagie software with AI functionality to replace Google Photos (I have 5tb of personal photos and videos).
I think the QNAP would suit me better (I don’t have gif or live photos) but I don’t have an external backup that’s 9TB…. So swapping to the QNAP would be much more expensive because I need 9tb worth of drives to make the switch.
With Synology I could probably just change drives…
Vendor lock-in sucks ????
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how the asustor Nas will compare to this NAS ???
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Honestly iI would prefer to use a credit card and get the Qnap tvs-h674-i5-32g…. I just recorded a 30scs 4k (h265) and streamed over internet, To start I did pause the video for 30 secs and amazingly the cache finished the job, no transcoding used, crazy, also I did record and play 10 secs of 8k 24fps in my home without transcoding, i have some problems of course when tried to do it over the internet … but it tried……lol in a moving vehicle I will love to you guys check this nas with plex , I love your videos and i follow your videos that had motivated me to buy this bad guy. Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU!!!
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Will there be a new 8-bay version? I need more bays!
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Don’t look now, but a seagull has infiltrated your studio. I would be careful what you say until it goes away.
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Thanks for ALL your videos. Let down by Synology. Nervous about Qnap security. How can I buy a Qnap & be SECURE? Plan: always connected to internet & access by iPhones via cellular & wifi (when available) remotely.
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IGP missing is not good
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Synology thinks that because of his software they can get way with anything, they will suffer with this machines, but in the end I don’t think they care, they are now more interesting on the hi end enterprise market.
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I’ve wait quite a long time now and need to replace my DS413. I was sure to buy DS923+ immediately when it is released because I was absolutely sure that there could be no new NAS at the end of 2022 that lacks 2,5GE! But….. Synology did it!
What the heck!??? I’ll buy such a device for the next 10 years and 1Gbit/s isn’t state of the art any longer! Huh, you could pay 150 bucks for 10GE, ok, but not as SFP+, which consumes much less energy than 10GE copper does!!!
Talking about energy consumption: again: what the heck!? Twice TDP than the celerons!? Are you serious???? In these times when energy becomes more and more expensive!!?
OK, one more: no integrated graphics.
Really wanted to stuck with Synology but you know what? They did EVERYTHING to have me look for a QNAP. They have boxes that do all that stuff. Sad but true.
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Im going Qnap next time. Syno is just doing everything wrong lately
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Good points on security. Any one who exposes any nas to the internet without a good hardware firewall and not knowing what they are doing will run into trouble. I had a 12+ year old QNAP nas on the internet from day one and never had issues. You need to lock down any nas and understand what your doing. To be fair, did QNAP handle it’s exploit in the best manner? Certainly not, but every NAS that I’m aware of has BOT issues and ransomware attacks. The firmwares all need to be up to date and you need to use your hardware firewall to do it’s job. So I won’t make security a show stopper for me. QNAP is really a great offering it does so much and so much well.
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I had been thinking of ds920+ for my first NAS, but not the QNAP TS-464 sounds a lot more appealing.
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Thanks for the great videos. I am new to NAS and have been watching your videos for the last month. I am very disappointed with Synology and their new DS923. I think they made 3 strikes:
Strike 1 – Duel Core
Strike 2 – No Graphics
Strike 3 – 1gb ports
This will be my first NAS that I will be buying and I think I will wait till I see your review of the DS923 when/if you get one before Black Friday. This is when I assume the NAS will go on sale. As of right now I am leaning towards the QNAP TS-464. I will be using my NAS mostly for the PLEX so I think QNAP TS-464 will be the best way to go. I really wish Synology came out with a better DS923 but it will be very hard to convince me to by one now and I hope they read your message board to find out what a big mistake they made with this upgrade (Downgrade in my opinion ). The only thing I feel is an upgrade would be the ram. I might think of getting a Synology on the next one in a few years if they change processors and upgrade that 1gb port.
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For those concerned about igpu.. Why not just buy a good client to watch your movies via Plex or jellyfin.. like Apple TV or Nvidia shield?
With these clients hardware… You don’t really need a NAS with igpu.
It will be much better then NAS igpu.
Unless you watch via mobile phone which for me I don’t. I preferred to watch movie on big screen TV.
I’m looking to upgrade my Nas to 1522+
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For me this boils down to:
Do You prefer the rock or hard place?
My answer has to be none of the above for the obvious reasons.
Image QNAP hardware with Synology software support….
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I love Synology. I was waiting for the ds923+ about 9 months and now I have doubts. I use jellyfin for home 1080p media and sometimes 1 remote family. So I doubt for this and also for the power consumption in idle (when server does nothing, not hdd hibernation). I saw that for ds920+ will be likr 18-19watts using my 3x4TB wd red but I don’t know hos many by using ds923+… right now I use 37-38watts from my old NAS and I want to down it.
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Easy for me 464 all day any day. QNAP offers so much more (SSD options, 8 Cams, a really good/appropriate CPU, HD station, QNAP Club,2.5gbe, container deployment… just to name a few). Synology chose a lower end cpu and cheaped out with 1gbe. All Syn has is hybrid raid (not a big deal for me since I alway buy new and like drives when I deploy a NAS) and a slicker/more responsive UI, everything else is well below where QNAP is at. QTS has come a long way, once you get used to QTS you will never miss DSM, you can just do so much more. Many people that I know all feel the same way that Synology is looking primarily to grab profit by offering as little as possible, even goofing up their tiers. In the past, Syn could always look to software to cover their lesser hardware, now they just can’t live on that, even if is feels slicker it just isn’t enough and it can’t do what QTS can do. They could have chosen better cpu’s even from AMD’s lineup, so many see this as a Syn polishing their decision. This 923 better competes against the AMD offerings by QNAP, again even with older hardware QNAP will be better in many regards. A good friend of mine gave away his Syn and bought a QNAP that is the feeling of many…
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Love all your videos! QNAP would be the clear winner if it wasn’t for the security concerns. It’s hard to ignore QNAP history on ransomware attacks. I would definitely add that to the video since software is being compared here.
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Currently running a DS418play and in desperate need to upgrade (running 4x14tb at 92% capacity) and had high hopes for this to expand. I only use it for Plex/Emby and have waited for 2 years for nothing. I am probably going to move over to QNAP but the security fears are the only thing holding me back. So so disappointed as I’ve always been Synology but just can’t defend them anymore.
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Wow Synology. Penny wise pound foolish. No way I’m buying a new Synology after that poor performance.
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Very disappointed with CPU as well. I use my NAS for Plex and it is working good. However, I haven;t really jumped to 4K content and figure it might struggle. Looks like the new box would be going the opposite direction for improved performance from a transcoding situation. ????
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Hello guys. I’m really confused ???? I want to buy a NAS but what should I buy? Synology? Qnap? What processor? I want to use it as a media player. Most of my video’s are 4K or 4K HDR/Dolby vision. Please some advice? Thank you.
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Hmmmm …. AMD is famous for it iGPUs.
???????????Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll why in the heck didn’t Synology just put a AMD CPU with iGPU in their darn home/office NAS???????????? (no entiendo senor 😉
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I ended up buying the 1522+ as I was hopeful it would have a graphics processor but come to find out that it’s not really needed and not a hill to die on to be honest. Better option is the 10GBE (that should have been included) as a future proof option and more ram. If embedded graphics is a must for plex then just buy a NUC or use a old computer for a Plex server. Most if not all formats play on newer devices so transcoding isn’t needed.
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I think even the seagull behind Ed was totally unimpressed by the argument for AMD. Of course if Synology’s aim is to have a separate range of commercial NAS and a separate range of consumer, media, NAS then fine.
But they should announce their intentions as I guess half their customer base wants Plex and also 1gb Ethernet and has no use for 2.5 gb or non embedded graphics
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Trying to “both sides” this is a bad look for your credibility as an independent reviewer. Call it like it is – this is a bad move from almost any angle, and the few advancements in the -23 series are things that could have easily been achieved with a newer CPU with integrated graphics. Synology cheaped out because they got a good bulk deal on low end Ryzen chips, and their product lineup is going to suffer for home users for the next few years because of it.
It feels like you’re so committed to Synology because your YT channel relies on them being successful, so you don’t know how to react to bad decisions like this other than to put on a brave face.
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so.. is it better to buy a ds920+ for media home server? how 100% sure is this info?
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14:53 really says it all….
We have no issue with AMD powered CPUs if they would have the same or better GPU power which the R1600 has not… APU NAS when?
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What is the NAS going to be used for? I think with the support of virtual machines and containers, your NAS can also double as your main home server. If that’s what you’re looking for, I’d say go QNAP.
That’s what I did. I bought the QNAP TVS-H1288x. Yes, it is expensive, but it also serves many purposes in my home. I have a Plex server, along with a Windows 11 and Ubuntu VM running, and a few containers to handle various duties in my house. It has 4 2.5Gbe ports, 2 10 Gbe ports, and 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports for any imaginable network needs you might have. I can still add a GPU if I want and I’m currently only using a portion of the machine’s potential. So I won’t be needing to upgrade this H/W anytime soon.
If you just want a NAS, then the CPUs offered by Synology are more than capable of handling the task. I prefer the Synology S/W over QNAP, but Synology needs to up their H/W game to include at least one 10Gbe port on every model they sell. Buying a NAS today with 1Gbe ports is a waste of money, and quite honestly link aggregation does not do the job. I have an old DS1512+ that is over a decade old and still running fine. None of these new 2023 Synology boxes you’ve been discussing offer much more than that old DS1512+ I already have as far as a NAS is concerned.
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Would it be a possibility that Synology developed a “graphics card” to plug into the pci-e expansion slot? So you could choose between graphics acceleration or 10G adapter.
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I just have a separate pc that comes on, on demand for when I need to play Plex media. It boots in 10s so it’s fine. I’ve given up on wanting to use a NAS for videos.
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Had moved to 1621+ last year, i never found losing the gpu cost me anything. My prefered way to watch video is through ds file and native player, both in home and on the go. I don’t had much those extreme high bit rate video file outside of a select few of collections. Those are wast of storage and money in my opinion.
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This whole apparent myth about threads = cores is BS. Even at slightly higher clock speeds, the R will underperform vs. the Celeron in a server environment especially, when running multiple processes 24/7 is key. If they had opted for a 4c/8t ofc no contest, but they didn’t. Incidentally that also makes the whole point about more RAM totally moot. Not to mention the lack of iGPU, which makes this plus generation utterly irrelevant to many of the usual customers in this segment. Oh, and that’s not even mentioning the outdated 1G NIC which is laughable at this point.
Btw, Pentium branding is also gone as well as Celeron in case anyone wonders.
I like the back and forth that you guys do though. It’s a great service to your viewers, and ultimately help them choose the right product, ofc on that note your advice should be to avoid this plus generation all together because it’s nothing but a cash grab on Synology’s part 😉
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I hope they will start using N300 cpus with alder lake E cores, until that i wait for next NAS
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Thanks for this … . There goes my Plex upgrade plan
BUGGER BUGGER BUGGER AND MORE BUGGER 😉
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Thanks
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I wanted to buy a new NAS for Plex/Jellyfin but these new ones are just useless to me…
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I’m very disappointed about there being no integrated graphics because I think most home users are going to want to play movies on it. Luckily I didn’t hold out on the 923. I gave us waiting and bought the 920 and I’m glad i did. Seems like Synology is definitely heading down the business market on the small units instead of home user.
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Nothing news on ds1823+? Will use standard hard disk or synology ones?
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AMD makes power efficient APUs with integrated graphics – the Ryzen U series processors. The Ryzen 3 5400U has 4 cores, 8 threads, 3 GHz base clock, 4 GHz boost clock, and integrated graphics, all with 15W of power consumption. It seems like that APU would be a perfect fit for a NAS that is going to be used to decode and stream 4k video. It may increase the cost a bit, but consumers who want to stream 4k video from their NAS probably would be willing to pay it.
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I’ve been using Synology NAS for 11 years on a 1Gb/sec wired network and am a Plex user. I’ve experimented with various setups to maximize 4K video delivery to various output sizes, as in iPad/iPhone, PC/Mac, 4K smart TV and 1080p projector. Any time a 4K video had to be transcoded to another size, the Synology CPU was buried. By one user. I found out that the Apple TV 4K also performs transcoding of 4K input to match the display it’s connected to. So the server no longer needs to perform the transcoding (unless I’m on my iPhone/iPad, which requires transcoding, and it isn’t pretty)! This means that the Synology NAS needs less processor cores/speed (in most cases) when transmitting video media.
I, too, am awaiting a new Synology box that provides 4 or 5 discs with at least one 2.5Gbs network connection and a processor/GPU configuration that supports fast video decoding. Without that option, I have no need to upgrade. Synology’s focus is not on multimedia so I look to the near future with doubt. Perhaps Intel will eventually create new devices with this market in mind.
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I wanted to upgrade my 713+ / DX513 to an 1821+.. ( 1823 ? 1824?..)
If it came out with an R1600 I wouldn’t take it.
I’m ready to put 100 euros more and have power
they piss off synology not to offer a powerful NAS with graphics
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Not that TDP means much at all, but the R1600 is 12-25w. The old J4125 was 10w. Current Celerons are 40-60w. The R1600 has a graphics version and all R1600 support 2 10Gbe. They could have at least given people that. The R1600 from a computing standpoint beats most celerons and people do want to run docker and maybe VMs, so gimping it with a weak CPU would have been a bad decision.
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So, I have a DS1821+ with an AMD CPU and all my media on it; Photos, video, and music. I run Plex on an old Dell Latitude laptop with a 2nd Gen i7. I stream my media to 2022 Apple TV’s. Not a single day buffering, local or remote. Works for me, or I’d say so.
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It depends on the use of the NAS – for me, the primary function of my current DS920+ is to run a Plex Server for remote devices not direct connected devices – in this case, having an IGPU is very important for me so I was naturally disappointed with the DS923+ using an AMD Ryzen which means I now have to look at QNAP or Asustor Lockstor 4 Gen2 with the N5105 CPU when it comes to upgrading – that or switch to using a Windows PC to run Plex which is not desirable due to power consumption
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Synology is going in the wrong direction. They dropped the ball across the field with not only the cpu shift, but not investing in their hardware. Their software is getting stale as well. They clearly are about bottom line profit and not about product… I’m done with them. QNAP is putting money and thought into what they are doing, I’m with them.
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synology needs to sell its operating system or with subscription like qnap.
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I am 100% with Eddie here. This is a pure business release of products cause they “had” to put out their xx2/3 models. Its obvious for anyone that knows this product category that these amd cpu`s is not suited for these nas`es. They are only in there to give themselves a bigger profit.
They fail on both power consumption and media which is a big deal for this product category. Feel sad for those ending up buying these without knowing this big flaw.
Not to talk down on amd cpu`s btw, They are great for many things.
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Both Intel or AMD is generally fine, lack of integrated graphics is on Synology. I would be happy with DS423+ if it had integrated graphics, but i doubt it will if it’s not Intel CPU, since 4xx+ usually has cheaper CPU and AMD with graphics would be more expensive.
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Intel for video encoding, no contest. I have a old QNAP Intel system that I want to replace with a new modern Synology Intel system but Synology don’t want to supply one.
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I was looking forward to 723+ and 923+ but without embedded graphic and still only 1gbe speed, I will not buying them. Very disappointed!
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Integrated graphics is a must for plex and with camera’s in mind. But I also find it stupid that intel still does not support ecc memory. I also think that they should support it.
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I’ll be looking for a Plex NAS in the next year and I want one with a GPU. If they’re are any available then I may have to look at a Mac Mini or such.
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For virtual machines, I still think the intel is better, and I agree also that for home users integrated graphics is better match for a NAS.
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Please, Unraid vs TrueNAS. I’m fed up with Synology’s cheating out on parts and charging tons with crippled systems, with no GPU/ HW encoding, dual cores in 2023, No built in 10GBe. I was waiting for years to upgrade my DS916+ which is still rock solid, but I need to run VMs (I run 1 virtual DSM currently) and to have extra power for more dockers Plex, and I needed more than the 8GB RAM I have and a built in 10GBe.
I’ve already bought a Lenovo mini PC from 2010 with 6 core 12 threads Intel CPU and upgraded it to 32GB DDR4 RAM and installed Proxmox for my VMs, but confused whether to install TrueNAS or Unraid for Plex and shared drives.
Thanks for all the efforts mates. I’m an avid follower. Keep up the great work and salute to to seagulls, lol ????????
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Thanks gents, this is The Question.
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err… this reads to me more like a downgrade from 920
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Disappointed, I will keep my 920+ for now but when it is time I think I need to look somewhere else…to bad I like Synology, great software, it just sits there in the wardrobe and I rarely touch it. The hardware is just to limited
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So if I am fine with paying bit more I might as well not wait for ds923+ and just buy ds1522+? I understand that ds923+ will be less powerful version of ds1522+, right?
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Shame about the lack of integrated graphics on the CPU. The Ryzen allows for ECC RAM though… that’s quite useful in the prevention of bitrot isn’t it?
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Hmmmmm ….. I just realized w/o an integrated GPU the DS?23+ NAS won’t handle real-time transcoding/uncompressing video, real-time encrypt/decrypt files, etc very well.
Well that would be kinda dumb for the so-called bestest home/office NAS wouldn’t you thinks.
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All my Plex content I ripped and transcoded for Direct Play. I’m assuming the 923 should still play these fine?
But I am still disappointed with the change.
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Did you edit those seagulls in, or are they performing live at your location?
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I’m going to keep my 1019+ a lot longer than Expected
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Wonder if any other releases. Mulling moving off my PowerEdge T340 with TrueNas (power)
Using NFS, SMB and iSCSI storage atm. 2 x 1.2TB SSD for NFS and 2 x 10TB for SMB/iSCSI
Dell SATA server disks.
If I did move I’d dig out my 4 x 4TB Red + and 3TB Red + drives.
My PowerEdge uses 50w idle
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I should probably thanks Synology, got a custom NAS build in the mail now
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I was surprised not to see in this review that you did not complain that was no WAN connector provided to connect to the internet. After all, in your review of the latest router you seem to expect it to provide all the functionality of a NAS, so it would be logical to expect a NAS to also preform the functions of a router!
As a windoze user, you probably don’t know the Linux maxim that something should do one job, and do it exceptionally well.
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Thank you Rob for another great video. Based on your info (DS 923+ & 723+) and your statement about where Synology is moving strategically, it looks like regular consumers using Plex is not their focus. So not sure if we will ever see another processor from Synology with embedded graphics. So in my own case somebody with a small business (less than 5 people using disk station for files and backup) and personal use mainly 2 video cameras and Plex usage, what is really the best Synology down the road? I would hate moving to another brand since I like and am familiar with DSM. With my current usage DS 923+ would be ideal other than Plex. My question is … is that transcoding that important? If you stream 4K videos to 4K TVs, smartphones and tablets that are 4K capable, does one need transcoding? As I understand from your previous videos, transcoding is only needed if you end devices cannot handle the file. May be I am missing something? Cheers
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Only found today. Having seen previous releases then figured this would happen. Watching this then removed those last doubts that did the right thing with terra master t6-423.
Encode everything for iTunes and playback on AppleTV 4K and use Plex on NAS with direct play so may not have been such an issue, without the GPU part for me though, as not transcoding.
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Samsung 990 PRO NVMe no Review? :()
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what will be a good and natural successor to the qnap 453bmini with 16GB ram. Qvr pro is running on it + 3 disk. Would love next one to run system on nvme ssd. Middle to highend nas…
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Disappointment… I held off getting the 920+ for the 923, because I wanted a 2.5GB connection and some GPU support for transcoding for my desire to have a plex server…. Synology really fell short here. sadly.
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100 % the same changes as 1520+ vs 1522+. No surprises
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No 2.5GbE ports? Come oooooonnnn
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Total rubbish Synology! What a disappointment. I’ve been waiting for too long to upgrade my DS916+ to a better option and definitely with Intel CPU with HW transcoding.
It’s a step backward in every possible way. Not only the GPU part. Not only not including the 10GBe out of the box. The AMD CPU consumes more power and produce more heat and on top of that is only a dual core, in 2023! My celeron was a quad core and the 920+ is also better.
Can you install normal RAM or does it have to be the expensive ECC. This is a SOHO NAS so I don’t know what the ECC!
I guess I’ll carry on with my Lenovo tiny PC from 2010 with i5 hex’s core, 12 threads, upgraded to 32GB 2666MHz DDR4 RAM with Proxmox, although haven’t decided to install TrueNas or Unraid for data storage, Plex, virtual machines and all this kind of data, media and lab requirements.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but it is essentially the DS1522+ with one less drive bay. Is there any other difference between the two?
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What do you recommend for directly editing photo/video from the NAS with a 10GBE connection? 923+ vs 1522+ vs 1621+
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what a crap, amd , no gpu, no 2.5g, qnap will be my next nas
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so disappointed Synology decided to go the ryzen route with this model series, i think they’ve made a big mistake.
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We need a 1821+ series with Hardware transcoding!
About to move to a model of a dummy nas with a small PC.
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DS923+ revealed where? What is your source? I watched the entire event, no 2023 hardware was revealed. I don’t see anything on Synology’s website. What am I missing here???
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In most domestic situations clients will be connecting to this NAS using wifi, and will have broadband far below 1Gbps, so I’m not convinced the dual 1GbE nics are a problem for most people. For the home video editors with a directly connected PC there’s always the 10GbE card. The lack of GPU is a puzzle, but I suspect Synology has data to show that relatively few domestic users are using multiple streams of 4K video. Professionals, streaming over 10GbE local networks, and using ultra-fast broadband, have other options.
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So happy I didn’t wait to buy this machine. It’s pretty damn useless without intel processor.
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well, that means i’ll get a 920+ or 720+ on black friday or cyber monday if i can find a good deal.
with the sidegrade of the chip (faster yes, but also 2c/4t instead of 4c/4t) a flat downgrade to graphics (not that i use that) and no change to the network there is no reason at all to go for the new system.
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Glad I didn’t sell my ds920. Having no gpu makes this update a horrible one.
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Shithouse Synology. So what am I upgrading my 920+ to in order to stream 4k on Plex? God damn it. I had a plan and you went off script (yes at this particular time it is all about me : )
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Morning! So, the Synology 2023 and Beyond event has passed. If you want a summary of everything that they covered, you can find it here – https://nascompares.com/news/synology-2023-online-reveal-everything-they-covered/
Note, the information on the Synology DS923+ NAS did not come from the event (at least not the official video event), but from other means. You can see more detail on this here – https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/yeu68x/comment/iu3597p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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So disappointed !!! Its like running a 10k race with everything you got only to be told you ran the wrong way. I’m so worn out from waiting I’m not even sure ill buy one now lol.
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Omg
Are they so blind that they cannot see the reason why consumers are going to building their own nas? It is because of the lacking GPU power!
Why have none of these companies a powerful APU in their lineup?
Think 1135g7 or 3200g.
I would compromise on size if needed.
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Wait, are you serious? The new one still has 1000 base-T instead of 2.5 gigabits per second like their competitors?
No upgrade for me, thanks.
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You’ll have to rip my DS918+ from my cold dying hands…
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No 2.5GbE, no integrated graphics, likely limited hard drive compatibility. The brand is moving backwards in so many areas
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I waited for the new NAS but now I need to buy the almost 3 year old NAS, yay
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Ohhhhhhwwww
2x1Gbe RJ45 …
Sure its got the 10Gbe slot and $150 part (cough … gouge … cough)
but to think that they just couldnt get around to improving the base network from 1 to 2.5Gbe.
When my 5 year old DS918 finally gets tired, I will definitely look at other NAS manufacturers if they dont at least do this.
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I’m sure glad I went for the 920. I was on the fence but grabbed one up this summer when I saw the prime day deal. It’s a great littl nas that will hopefully keep me going for years to come.
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Was hoping to upgrade my DS918+, which gets used for among other things Plex. Looks like this is a no go now and will be looking at other solutions.
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I got a scortching deal on my 920+, and I’m feeling pretty good about it right now. I’ll admit to being jealous of the 10g addition, but my network has a few more upgrades needed before 10g speeds would be relevant to me anyway. Meanwhile the bonded 1g lines can handle all the traffic I can throw it, for the time being, anyway. Perhaps I’ll be ready to step up to the next level by the time I really feel pinched by lack of 10g anyway.
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The DS923+ seems to be just the DS1522+ w/o one bay (aka redundancy).
???Can anyone tell me the CPU is in the DS723+ & DS223+ (Intell or AMD)??
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THANKS FOR THE VIDEO (s)..????Been waiting so long on this. Disappointed in processor choice. ..3 QUESTIONS for you and community: 1. If I buy a 920+, should i populate it w Synology labeled drives only (nervous about future support)?…2. Do you think Synology will stop supporting the 920+ in general inc updates? …3. Should I consider Qnap or are is Qnap simply not secure? …Thanks in advance.
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I watched the 2023 and Beyond webcast and I didn’t see them reveal this… Where did you see this? Thanks
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Hi I been watching your videos for awhile because I’m considering buying a Nas very new to this my needs are for downloading torrent movies and playing it on my TV but my concern is that most of them can’t handle 4k content only the high end model are able to but they not available around my location and they cost lots of money for simple use of media content so I found one that someone selling model is TVS-1282T for $500 but it’s missing all the 3.5″ trays and aswell as its Nas operating system the guy is using it as I normal computer so my question is is it worth buying it and trying to set up the Nas operating system and can this model handle everything please let me know your feedback back is highly appreciated
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Buff ethernet 1Gbit seriously?? In 2023 NAS??
Is a NAS:
NETWORK Attached Storage
Without 2.5gb ehernet, without ssd storage, without Plex 4k in multiusers, without moodle, without php 8.1, …
But calm, you have dsm7.1 incompatible with 2.5g usb ethernet adapters 😉
I can’t understand people who keep buying synologys NAS, or considering buying a ds920+ this company is not worth our money.
I have ds918+ and the Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen2 will be my next NAS
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Planned to upgrade, but now I’ll upgrade to a QNAP.. No GPU and 2.5G/10G in 2022 is a no go.
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I think I’ll be giving this generation a skip.
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My DS918+ is solely for PLEX. Won’t upgrade to this. I’ll see you in a few generations Synology….
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Wow…. that’s garbage from synology, selling us garbage for the multimedia guys, shame, definitely my last nas from synology, officially I am on Qnap side.
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I use a Xpenology 918+ as my main server and a Synology DS414 for backup. I was expecting DS922+ didn’t show up. After this I expected DS923+. Now is a disappointment. I think I will build/upgrade another Xpenology.
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Does anybody know if a DS223+ product will launch? Can’t find any information on it 🙁
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Terrible CPU…..i hope for Intel N5xxx
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I gave up waiting for this and bought a 920+ with a nice discount four months ago. I’m a home user, manages my large raw photo storage for Lightroom, run Plex etc. After watching this, I think I’m still ok with the decision not to wait.
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Whew! Glad I bought my DS920+ only several months ago. It serves two purposes. A remote offsite NAS Hyper Backup and a local data storage device for my daughter. Wasn’t really thinking about it, but I might set her up a Plex server for kicks. I suspect I would have gotten a bit of a bump on the CPU, but since Synology doesn’t give you any real commitment on product releases I wasn’t willing to wait any longer. All in all I have no regrets for my use case.
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F*** synology
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Bro….you look tired. Get some sleep…good video btw. Thanks!
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For consumers I think it’s best to skip the entire 23-product portfolio and wait to see what the next iteration will bring us.
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Can’t people just use direct play? Also other option would be using a NUC paired with the nas so one can get the 10gb port.
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I hate watching videos from nascompares. They are so boring. He talk’s endlessly to prolong the videos. I hope he changes the format.
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I see a lot of people saying they’ll switch to QNAP. Isn’t Asustor also a good option? I don’t know much about it TBH so just asking.
I’m not really a NAS fanatic, I have a Synology DS-413 and an old QNAP TS-459 Pro+ both of which are just used for data storage of not-too-important stuff (distros, old games ripped from CDs/DVDs, hosting music my frinds make and so on) all of which I can get back if I loose it. I have ~ 6-6.5TB of used storage but I’d like to get a NAS that can hold it all in one box for ease of use and to lower my power usage.
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It seems like DS723+ and DS923+ is are targeting business users. So will other models (DS423+ DS223+, or DS423Play) target home user and ship with Intel processor?
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This drive is such a disappointment, even the 920+ feels to be the better choice. As I was waiting for the 923+ to start with a real NAS switching from my own build SMB-Server I will have a closer look now on Terramaster and QNAP or maybe the DS1522+. Just focusing on SW advantage as a brand in a HW business is not great job.
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Still waiting for a more powerful Synology nas to replace both my HP Microserver G8 and DS916+ with one machine for storage and some virutialisation but sadly not this year either 🙁
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o well, I was waiting for this release, however, still using 1Gbe is a big disappointment. what on earth were they thinking 🙁 Most PC & laptop purchased in the last few years have 2.5Gbe including decent routers / switches
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Poor support for Plex is a killer for me. I will go for a 1520+ but am worried for the future.
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Lol … i keep my 920+ .. thanks .. 😀
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Ryzen CPU = no sale. Any Intel CPU with hardware transcoding will more or less do. How can Synology get it so wrong?
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QNAP it is.
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Was thinking about this for my first NAS and haven’t really looked into Plex properly. Any opinions about pairing it with an NVidia Shield Pro? In terms of lack of GPU am I right in thinking 4K to 1080P transcoding or high bit rates are edge cases? You could avoid transcoding by have the intended resolutions/etc. already prepared?
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Tardis noises.
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In my opinion i had the ds918+ and i was hoping this was going to be a good choice but i saw the ds1522+ i could just tell, i think i will upgrade to a QNAP or an Asustor, i love DSM for its ease of use but this series feels like a step backwards.
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synology still making their customers pay expensive prices for upgrades that other nas companies provide. 1gbe on a new model is unacceptable….recently upgraded my internet above 1gbe and it’s more infuriating than ever that i cant upgrade my 920+ anymore after going to 7.0. Synology honestly doesnt deserve my money anymore
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Only lack of sales can make a change to their thinking.
Also, the cheeky chappies wanting all that cash for a network upgrade 😉 and it will provide 2.5 and 5Gbe as well, but you are paying for that on top of everything else. So basically forcing you to buy the card.
The network and lack of GPU are misses, which unfortunately make it hard to say automatically yes to. So unless my 918+ goes pop, then it’s a wait and see, maybe a DS923+ II/DS924+ .
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Is there any reason to go for the 923+ over the 1522+? The higher price is kind of negligible given the long estimated usage time.
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I was hoping the 923+ would be better… it’s worse than the 920+, I don’t know whether to get the 920+ or go to QNAP directly.
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I’ve been looking to buy a NAS explicitly for backing up family photos directly from our iPhones to the NAS.
720/723 and 920/923 have been my primary NAS’s of interest….however I’m not sure I understand the impact (for my use case) if any of moving from Intel to AMD and losing onboard graphics.
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Never understood tuis opsession with NAS as a Plex server.
It can be a Plex server – yes. Is it a best option – no.
Think I’ll be upgrading to this one.
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Do we know when the DS920+ will retire?
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What a total disappointment. I was really waiting on something to replace my older Synology NAS which is purely Backup + Plex. The lack of iGPU and 2.5Gbe in 2022 is … insane. Sure, you can get a 10Gbe card but that’s an extra 150+ or more… As someone who’s owned ~a dozen Synology devices and recommended them for many years, I’m going to start looking elsewhere now. What a shame.
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Done with Synology, went with a 453E and never looked back. What where they thinking? No intel, subpar ports/hardware and 1 GB ethernet really? Glad I went to QNAP it is really a great NAS.
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Ok, QNAP it is then….. dammit! I had so high hope for the 923.
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The ole 415play getting very long in the tooth, lack of hardware transcode is disappointing but i guess i can keep going with my emby via a raspberrypi4 system. was hoping an upgrade would allow me to merge though
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I mean is this even an upgrade? 2022 and they’re offering 4GB of ram soldered onto a board. Ram is so cheap I would expect it to come with 32GB’s out of the box. CPU being underwhelming I can somewhat understand considering it’s a low power unit, but the old CPU was better. And why not opt for a 4 core AMD? As for the rest of it kind of lackluster. It would make a very good file server. Not sure how it would handle indexing photos and AI recognition, might even be worse than the 920+.
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No official confirmation from Synology yet?
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I just re-watched. They never officially announced any NAS. Why jump the gun?
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noooooooooooo
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Did i miss anything, or did they not actually mention this NAS and specs on the synology 2023 beyond video?
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What is this material based on? I can’t see any Synology references
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Imagine being so hungry for money that you downgrade your NAS instead of just not releasing a new model… Between this and all the bullshit Synology pulls with HDDs and RAM stick locking to their own brand, these guys are gonna keep loosing so much marketshare…
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Ouch… no iGPU effectively makes this a downgrade from the DS920+, at least for Plex/Emby/JF users.
The lack of 2.5Gbe is a little disappointing for a 4-bay NAS in 2022.
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Thanks for the video, I’ll be grabbing a 920+ then!
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CPU is light and old. They should have just installed an SPF+ slot built in. Pass. I’ll just keep running the 920+
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let’s hack that 10gbe adapter into the 920’s nvme slots
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1Gbe, No GFX. Zero reason to upgrade. What a dog.
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Synology can keep that nas
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The Specs are really frustrating me. Hoped as many here for a upgrade to the 920+. For Plex and 2,5Gbe minimum. Synology goes a complete wrong way, what the market want to have. Same like AVM routers. Software good, Hardware obsolete before start selling.
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God d*** it! I’ve been holding off for sooo God damn long buying the ds920+. No more media NASes from synology anymore?
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So i will keep my 920+…
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So how is this different then the DS1522+ except for 1 hdd slot less and 2 less RJ45 ports?
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I will keep on with 920+. Thnx Synology !
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Any chance a 423+ will still come out with an integrated gpu? Still hoping they will at least still steer that one towards the prosumer market.
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Voting with my wallet and not supporting this CPU. It has been said a million times: This is not a “pro-sumer” device. Not even the bare minimum, but a major step back. Useless
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Glad I purchased the 920+ just a couple months ago when Amazon had a price drop on it.
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Finally pulled the trigger a few months ago on a 920+ – glad I did now.
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Glad I kept my 920+, I’ll wait and see if they improve the next generation without required network adapters or HDD restrictions.
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With this CPU selection (and the DS723+ previously mentioned) is there any “prosumer” synology nas left or expected to arrive in their portfolio that can be optimized as a plex server? Or can we expect Synology === AMD from all corners from now on?
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Disappointing with regards to transcoding. However as I have no need for transcoding thanks to every client device supporting everything via Direct Play these days I don’t *think* it will be an issue. Having said that it might mean Plex is slower for things like thumbnail generation? ????
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I have a ds418 and am looking to upgrade. I was excited about this offering but i basically use my NAS as a backup (3-2-1, right) and a Plex server. The removal of a dedicated GPU pushes me back to the ds290+
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???? – FREE VIRT GIRLS CHAT ????????p????
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Good thing i snatched 920 a few month ago, since my case is for multimedia server ????
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I waited to upgrade to the 923, but no integrated gpu is a deal breaker, no matter how much I like everything else. What on earth were they thinking sticking that amd proc in there??
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Boo hiss! Disappointed in this CPU.
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FIRST!
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So conclusion:
Plex can stream native H.264 without transcoding right? But because DS1522+ does not have the hardware encoder/decoder to realtime decode H.265(HEVC) and encode into H.264.
Also, does plex support vp9 or av1 playback (natively or needs transcoding)?
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This video tutorial is from 2020, and since then, DSM 7 has been released. Even more polished and refined User Interface on Synology NAS, which makes Synology a big winner, in my opinion.
For all Apple fans, Synology seems like a company that could have been acquired by Apple. Same care on the user experience, to make it simple with more advanced options under the hood, but quite hidden, a slow pace for updating the system.
On the negative side, Synology gets greedier and greedier on hardware and wants to retain more control, hence their difficulties in maintaining a hard drive compatibility list and selling their own hardware.
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Just a criticism. Your testing methodology is very repetitive and not altogether useful.
We don’t really need to see a dozen tests of say h264 files with very similar parameters and no transcoding. Why even bother with native client playback? Any NAS from the last decade can do that without missing a beat.
More useful would be testing how many transcode streams each can do at varying resolutions from 4k source. 1? 2? 7? At varying resolutions until they gas out.
There could be a point with the qnap for instance where cpu is low transcoding 3 streams and bumps say 5% per stream but completely breaks at 4 but we have no way of knowing from your testing.
Try testing the same source file at different bitrates, see how they fare at 4k 100mbs+ rates. Finding the limits of each NAS is more useful than testing them playing a single file that we know in advance they can play.
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Hello man! I just got the 920+ as my first NAS! got a pretty decent deal on it and fitted 2 Seagate Exos 18TB drives in there, very happy with the noise output of these new drives, nothing like the 8TB ironwolfs
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https://youtu.be/g8Bq9fT0_bE?t=984 your infoboxes should be change places, got little bit confused there
Great review still.
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I can’t speak to any of the other consoles but on the Xbox you can buy the license to play HEVC for only 1.50. Works great. No transcoding required.
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1520+ or 1522+?
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Why is Synology dumping Intel?
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Another example of why Intel CPU is best for video transcoding.
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Awesome…I just waiting for my pre-ordered qnap tvs-h674-i5-32g, I have a whistle-blower at Qnap and he told me this new nas will come out around the 18th of November…. let’s see how real it is.
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I didn’t buy my DS1522+ for Plex.
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Thank you for another fair review. Cheers
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Well done comparison. QNAP is slowly taking over.
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One question: Why are the WD Red Pro 22TB HDDs all healthy? Did you edited the compatibility file on the Syno or anything else? Normaly only the 14TBs Red Plus are approved at Snologys compatibility matrix 🙂
Thx in advance and Cheers
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WE want Asustor AS6706T review PLZ !
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Thank you very much – very helpful ❤ and thoughtful.
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One important test is missing.
10gb + raid 5 + nvme cache.
Would be interesting to see.
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Hi, there is a typo in the cover picture. Instead of DS1522+ it is written as DS152+. Maybe you want to correct it?
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Love the review, looking for a replacement for my 10 year old 4 bay QNAP. Can you fit 2.5 SATA SSDs in the bays as standard? How noisy is the fan in this, as looking for a quiet system. Thanks!
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hi, you said that max ram 16gb, could you please try 2x16gb for it to pass the max like synology ds920?
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Where can you buy this thing mt ds18j not cutting it any more ????
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This looks great, however its now 2022 and I’m looking to get a Synology DS1821+ With I understand DSM 9.x. Any chance of a newer series (or are the differences still not that great to 7.0)?
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Two months later and this thing is still impossible to find in North America. You can find the TS-464-4G on Newegg at the moment for $950 which is outrageous and looks like a price gouge from some Taiwanese company.
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Hi! I LOVE your videos but there is a little desync between the video and your voice which is noticeable. I’m just wondering is it just me? It looks a little bit wired. Still awesome stuff, thank you!
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Today Qnap had deadbolt notice,
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Hi, I have been watching a few of your vids as I consider needs for a docu-series I am developing in Bali, Indonesia. First, thank you for the great, concise information you provide – much appreciated! What I am looking at is a remote NAS set-up on a mobile van for production that we can dump SD content shot on Canon C70 cameras immediately after they are filled up and then hopefully have redundancy with that footage sync’d to another NAS server (TV series) back in our edit suite. Does this sound plausible to you and if so, what would you recommend as best QNAP gear for the job? Thanks.
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Hi, I saw in QNAP HCL for TS-453A that some HDD (ST8000VN0004 8TB) would require specific trays due to screw holes set up in a different manner. Are the new trays for TS-464 fully compatible with all disks now ?
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I bought a higher end Qnap NAS a couple of years ago, eventually got it all set up near enough to what I wanted, had it serving my website & being my data store that I could access remotely. Then all the qnap attacks started. I no longer feel it’s safe to have my NAS open to the net, so I look it off line and battened down the hatches. It’s such a pity, I have a really expensive sledgehammer and I’m using it to knock in tiny tacks now.
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Has this been released yet? If so where can I find it?
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I’ve only ever used Synology, but truth be known , the GUI always irked me.
Based on what i’ve seen, the upfront approach of Qnap suits my brain much better.
Given the way Qnap hardware stands, i will consider adding Qnap devices going forward
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When it will be available to buy?
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April 19, 2022 – “QNAP urges customers to disable UPnP port forwarding on routers” why doesn’t qnap just fix their stuff to be secure by default… This garbage of pushing security problems onto their customers is not right. Shame too because the hardware looks not bad
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I can’t find this model on q-nap website, closest thing is TBS-464 which is a different beast. Btw, based on current prices one can easily build their own NAS with far better CPU and ram, $150 motherboard, $200 cpu, $100 psu, $50 8gb ddr4 ram. Jonsbo case $200, FreeNAS software, free. Typical 4gb celeron or atom based NAS costs $800+ (figures are in AUD)
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Has this been released? Where can I purchase it?
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Great review, don’t feel bad about the seagulls, it’s a bit like your signature audio. Keep up the good work ????
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This one having 2 x USB 3.2 gen 2 while TBS-464 having none is a bummer
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Would Plex running on the NAS be able to transcode media using the GPU for remote users? It’s not clear to me if the GPU is only leveraged when using the HDMI port on the back.
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I hope you are well; you sound a bit nasally congested.
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Outstanding first look at the QNAP TS-464. Currently I have the TS-653D and while there isn’t a massive feature upgrade with the new line there are some noteworthy differences of which the built in NVMe support and SoC bump up to N5105 are welcomed. I had to install a QNAP QM2 card to get NVMe and 10GbE support which just adds to the out of pocket expense.
Keep up the good work. I look forward to follow up reviews which I’m sure will be great too.
Cheers!
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Another outstanding and informative video! I wish Robbie would review everything I was thinking about buying.
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Very good hardware, especially now that you can install TrueNas on it if you want, that is just a big advantage compared to Synology.
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Time to review the Seagull SG-464 instead!
That’s not the model number. That’s just how many seagulls are outside.
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Synology wipes the floor with qnap
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I cannot beleive that there is NO WAY to sync any folder and file type from android device to synology nas… that drives me nuts… it’s either super complicated third party app to configure or the only syncing possible is with ds file that does ONLY pictures or synology photo crap app… I just want to sync ANY folder and their files in it (like download, ringtones and so on)… why the hell can’t synology do such thing ??? ds cloud does NOT permit to sync android folder to nas, it only sync the cloud that is on the nas to the android device, I want the other way around, there is no way to sync android ANY type of android files to nas.. urgh…
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What about stability between the two?
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My synology is messing up my local network and I can’t figure out why. Internet drops for a few seconds every few min on all connected network devices. If I disconnect the NAS from the network, it seems to work just fine.
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Login Speed – seemed easier with entering user name and password on the same dialogue to only hit enter once, especially when credentials are stored in the browser. Perhaps they changed it for increased security, prefer the old way.
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Thanks for all your great videos – I am looking to upgrade my NAS and have settled on a Qnap TS-673A it will be my “home” NAS should I use QTS Hero ZFS or QTS 5 as my OP? Which is best? One of the main things I want to use is MyCloudLink (which I presume I can use on both OP)
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As a new user you really make what was looking like a dive into the matrix, into something that I can actually folow. Thank you
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Dose qnap have some sort of hybrid raid ? That back up and save space.
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8:40 – I wish we could find the person responsible for using a Funnel for the filter icon and make them walk the plank. Funnels are not filters.
But its too late now. The damage is done. People associate the funnel image with the filter action in software just like they associate the piece of paper with a folded corner for “new file”.
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Latest QTS 5 firmware update lost every user’s “home” folder when connecting via AFP in a finder window, only shared folders are shown. Even disabling and enabling home folders in users don’t take any effect. Only In browser UI the home folder is working properly.
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I have TS253be and update to QTS 5.0 but NAS force me to initialize NAS (Reset NAS set up)
My raid was gone (Raid 1) while I Initialized NAS to start 5.0 and I try to back up my data to external hdd
but my 2nd disk was gone while back up I can recovery data 70% (Lost forever 30%) T.T
Do you have problem to upgrade like me?
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Do you have an ETA for full release QuTS Hero 5.0?
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I had to roll back.
5.0.0. gave me two weird issues.
1. The fans went to 100% and stuck there, regardless of any setting or actual system temp.
2. (And this one is really weird) IR remote button pushes would be registered twice, but only around 25-33% of the time.
I rolled back AND forward three times to check and double check these issues. I’m staying with 4.5.x until I know 5.x.x has the bugs ironed out.
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i have found the file permission are better but….. in my case the everyone group has no rights assigned to it when checking on qnap.not denied not ro or rw. when you create a user via qnap and assign rights via windows. somewhere along the line everyone has now changed to denied access…..simply just remove anyone from the resource…but not the right way?
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FULL Written Review of QNAP QTS 5 – https://nascompares.com/2021/10/08/qnap-qts-5-0-nas-software-review-worth-your-data/
01:50 – Disclaimers & Review Considerations
05:25 – Start – QTS Change of Focus
07:00 – QTS 5 vs QTS 4.5 GUI, Design, The Good, the Bad & the Awkward
10:13 – Responsiveness
10:44 – Things That Have Not Changed
11:30 – Security, Notifications & Control
14:25 – Control Panel
15:39 – Storage Manager
17:25 – Remote Mounting & Cloud Gateways
18:40 – File Management
20:30 – Multimedia Control & Sharing
27:00 – Storage Continued – Health & Checks
29:00 – Synchronization & Backup Tools
36:35 – Virtual Machines, Containers & Ubuntu VMs
41:05 – VMware, Hyper-V and SaaS Backups
43:14 – HDMI Services & HD Station
45:00 – Surveillance Tools & Services
49:00 – Licenses, Good & Bad
51:00 – QSirch, QFile, Teamviewer, Hybrid Mount and the Conclusion
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Add chapters to this video
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I have a TVS 873e when i seach for the upgrade to QTS 5 on the QNAP site it is not showing it for me. the highest firmware is 4,5,4 1800 am i not able to run V5?
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Why the full release of QTS 5.0 is not arrived yet on TS-X53D series ?
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awesome, perfect video as always; you’re the best source for nas – especially on qnap, i would say. Possessor of the – NOWADAYS pretty old – ts231+P and i still use it as my daily driver; with the new qts 5 now, seems even more faster
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That robot reminds me of the old MS office “clippy”… Luckily he doesn’t ask “it appears you are trying to…” ????
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That robot in the corner…. Reminds me of clippy… kill it with fire!
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How did you get this installed on a TVS-872X? I am trying to get it on my TVS-872XT and this model is not officially supported on this initial 5.0 release.
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First! Always love the content!
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The missing “For you” from moments sorely missed – it was a great AI system for finding potential duplicate (or near duplicate) photos that just doesn’t work as well as the storage manager reports that only really find exact duplicate pictures.
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Synology should have a God Mode like Windows too. ;>>>
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1.Log center cant be modified or set to exclude users or certain things you dont want logged.
2.It is not compatible with DScloud anymore so you cant sync to mobile like you can do on DSM6 with the DSCloud app from Synology but you can use the Synology Package Center to download Resilio Sync or Good Sync but you have to pay a monthly/yearly fee for every user.
Unlike Qnap when you buy your hardware, you arent forced to pay for syncing from and to your own hardware.
With that said there is still a solution using Webdav to-way Nas-pc with Raidrive but you have to pay for software for Pro features.
Mobile sync: Use Foldersync to-way Mobile-Nas, but you have to pay for software for Pro features.
So far as i am aware of limitations using Synology DSM7 when it comes to syncing —> If you want Pro features or you want to use your Nas without reaching out to third-part software without paying extra fees it is recommended to switch to other Nas brands for me i feel Qnap has been working using 30 users for Laptop/Pc/Mac/Android/Iphone all Apps/Software working perfect Pro features without paying extra fee´s or forced to use third-part tools total control for Log center, File-Folder, Photo, Video, Virtualization, Web-sites and so much more.
Other annoying difference i had with Synology i had was this—> i had to make a ticket to find out i cant use Synology Mobile App DS Cloud or that one cant choose what Synology Package-Log Center loggs, it wont let you choose to include, exclude or to delete certain logg if you press Clear button on the loggs that are in “Files downloaded” it deletes all, if you clear “user logins” it deletes all that and you cant revert the deletion.
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Totally agree with your view on Photo Station. I’m glad you covered this as your feedback might get recognised. I don’t want to upgrade until Photos is comparable to what Photo Station had/has to offer.
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almost perfection?
Audio Station is totally broken, playback is being cut off,
Media indexing fails to scan more than 50% files,
translations in DSM are not complete, some even have nonsense,
I have no idea what Synology have been doing all the time releasing such buggy software
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918+ here with upgraded 16gb ram. Am I going to have issue if I upgrade to 7?
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How do I change dsm7 login page to have username and password on same page?
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Useful but a bit of a ramble with Robby. My time notes:
https://youtu.be/xZrjPF4nmRc?t=674
11:14 User Interface
12:00 Help Center
12:35 Control Panel
14:03 Security
15:27 Collaboration Suite
15:45 Synology Drive
17:18 Multimedia Apps
18:47 Plex and 3rd party app issues
19:47 DSM 7 background package integration improvements
20:25 HyperBackup, USB copy
21:24 Cloud Synchronization
22:27 Business Applications
23:30 Storage Manager
25:15 Fast Raid Repair
26:35 RAID 6 speedup
27:19 Bench testing, storage performance, UI improvements
29:00 Surveillance Station
30:04 Virtual Machine Manager
32:40 USB changes on DSM7
34:08 Security and UI
34:40 Resource Monitor and UI
35:00 Storage Analyzer
36:55 Recommendations
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I’ve installed it as a VM on my DS1821+ and I’m completely disappointed with the new photos app. Maybe I’m old fashioned idk but the way timeline view is implemented it doesn’t allow you to look at a timeline on an album level anymore like you could do in photostation. You have to choose between album view or timeline view. I like to look at my photos different ways and this makes the app kind of unusable for me. Additionally I would like them to shows tags on the timeline view when you’re inside an album that has multiple albums underneath it but no photos in it directly. I’ve reached out to them but very little hope of it getting done in my opinion. I’m not upgrading until photos is useable as photostation is no longer supported on dsm7. Additionally I had a lot of indexing / conversion issues on my VM with my photos directory. Not sure if that’s just a VM issue or not
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you talk way too much unnecessarily !!
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The audio is of sync with the video
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Since when Synology uses china domains ? Isn’t it Taiwanese company ?
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How to downgrade back to 6.2?
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Hi. Is it safe and or good for my Synology 920+ to be shut down during the night and sometimes for 30 days at a time while away? Many thanks for your great videos.
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I upgraded both my DS 218J and my brand new DS920+ to DSM 7.0 and liking it a lot! No real problems. Moments with my Photos lost its tags during the transition to Synology Photos. I have to redo them but that’s ok. Everything else is great. I agree with this review.
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so is there any reason for me to wait for the DSM update to come through automatically on my DS1520+ or should I just manually update now? Is it likely that more changes will be made to it before the automatic update comes through?
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Boomer taskbar, jam packed .. just needs a few AoL or Geocities taskbars floating on the desktop to finish the effect.
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No Java= no jdownloader????????
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Does DSM 7 introduce any issues with access via the NFS protocol? I use my DS420j strictly as a file server in a Linux environment and do not really care about photo station, music station, etc. Quick, reliable access via NFS is my main concern. Thank you for your fine videos.
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Photos all seemed to work once I requested a re-indexing. However, photo sharing is completely broken. Even if you request that anyone can view with a URL, Synology NAS still requests a username and password. Sigh…………………
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I notice the absence of Amazon S3 on the cloud service for HyperBackup… Is it still possible to backup to Amazon S3 Glacier storage in DSM7? Or they removed it not to compete with their own C2 solution?
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Thanks for your valuable videos. I missed the loss of DS Cloud, so syncing became a problem. I started using Syncthing after upgrading to DSM7. I also have a problem with Synology Drive from my laptop on a company network, while using Express VPN. It keeps trying to connect to the server. When I switch off the VPN it works fine. Maybe I will switch to Syncthing on this Windows machine as well. For me this is a key function for a NAS so I didn’t expect it to work less good. But all and all it’s a big improvement.
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For anyone has done the upgrade, how long did it take please ?
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Great video, thank you!
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No mention of the issues with third party packages that worked fine in 6.2.4 but no longer work in DSM 7, it might be almost perfect IF you only use Synology apps.
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Not upgrading until they add support for android folder backup/syncing!
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Hello, I am sure that it will surely be for reasons of not extending the video too much, but your way of showing and explaining the news and characteristics of this new DSN are not very clear, at least for me you are going too fast and a bit messy. I’m not saying it in a bad way but I think you could do it in a more calm and neat way. Thank you very much anyway.
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DSM 7, adding support for Google Shared drives via Cloudsync is a Big + for me
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I use a KDLinks media stream box to watch movies and videos I store on my Synology NAS DS918+. Does DSM 7.0 support the ability for the stream box to sign into the NAS and stream the files?
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i don’t like in the Download station the “downloading” word is blue and no longer green
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This man is clicking faster than his shadow ????
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20:53 I ran into the exact issue you have 2 days ago on DSM6.2.4. I opened a support ticket that is still open, however I suspect it’s a browser based issue. Try opening in a different browser and see if you can view all of the back up options in that. It’s a Munster to me how this happened as I even cleared my browser cache and it persisted in Firefox. When I opened in safari it was “fixed}
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Who knew FooOOZ is the correct pronunciation of FooToes. Just kidding ????
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Great video – in general the audio is a bid low on your videos, would it be possible to turn it up a notch? Thanks 🙂
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Show idea, upgrading synology hardware. Example, use a ds213 case and change the motherboard to a newer model including modifying the case for USB ports if needed.
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Your shows are good, however, can you please make them shorter/succinct. Perhaps add text boxes on the screen so we can see that as you move on. Again, you do a fantastic job ???? thanks for your hard work.
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Photos was over-promised, and under-delivered…. Mostly hype
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One thing I’d love is for larger NAS to support mounting volume from older smaller NAS.
For instance, I had an old DS411j that failed on me, one of the drive failed but the NAS was full, so now I can’t even start it up. I just wish I could buy some of the 12 slots new NAS and then mount my 4 old drive into the new system and then just transfer data and format the old drives to add them to the new volume. I asked Synology if we can do that, their answer: nope, unless you build a Linux computer and mount drives on Linux and transfer your data. If I need to build a Linux computer, I’d better off just to use FreeNAS and never have to deal with Synology DSM…
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Microsoft Edge is base on Chromium, so any issues you have with Chrome will most likely happen in Edge as well. You need to test on browses like Firefox that are not base on Chromium.
I use Firefox and only have one M.2 slot filled and the 4 HDDs bays are full. Testing what I could zooming out made the empty M.2 disappear. It did not make the icon show under the other one as shown by you..
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What’s the later on PLEX… yesterday I was advice to use Docker as PLEX is not installing correctly?
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still no on-demand sync for Synology Drive w/ Mac OS in DSM7. Synology really dropped the ball for Mac support. DSM7 not worth the hassle.
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Is it possible how do a clean install Synology dsm 7 on my new Synology ds1520Plus?
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I would have liked more analytics inside VPN Server eg bandwidth consumption from each user (up/down) ????????♂️
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i have a test DS119j and upgraded it to DSM 7 and it’s very slow. Tested 4gb of photo’s and the database is going on for days.
Going to upgrade my DS1821+ now. Hope 10GB will still work.
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For the past week, Universal Search has been HOARDING CPU and RAM!
Indexing just goes on and on and on, non stop!
I can’t find a workaround!
Disabling Universal Search in DSM 7, disables Synology Drive and Synology Office
Instructions for this problem, found on forums, are all for DSM 6 and DON’T work on DSM 7
This is pathetic!
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For me it doesn’t matter as much if the new apps arent quite as good as the old ones yet as long as they have been written on a newer platform that easier to add missing and new features later rather than an app that was based on ds 4. Apple’s old website went down before a launch not to increase excitement but because it was old and rubbish and had to be .
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2fa should be incorporated Into DS finder having said that authy is miles better as you can transfer it to other devices
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Did you do a manual update or did DSM 7.0 show as an update automatically? It has not shown up on my RS1221+ or DS216+II in Canada yet…
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Still I have hibernation issue and I opened a ticket with Synology support. After analyzing the debug logs, they came back with SMB and VMM are the cause of periodic waking up of HDD’s. But still I couldn’t find an answer from support that why this periodic waking up which exactly happens each hour related to VMM and SMB, assuming no laptops connected to NAS in the test period and no VM was running. Will update in case support answers me.
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